Just learned about the free childcare from government - Priority is essential workers, not sure what it means by priority…
Free Childcare What Do You Think of This? COVID Package
djmm on 02/04/2020 - 14:50
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No kids. No worries.
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freechildcare fromgovernmenttaxpayer.
The taxpayers are not paying.
The RBA is providing this money.
It should be provided by the Government, anyway, in the same way we have schooling provided by the Government. Tax payer money covers that, as well.
The government cannot provide anything without taxpayers. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for everything.
Yup, and the tax payers pay for schools for everyone, at the moment. It, also, makes sense for them to provide child care. Frankly it makes sense for them to provide care for elderly people as well. Essential services where the standards should be mandated, and managed, by the Governments. Funnily enough, barring incidents, we are all young, we all go to school, we all work and we all get old. Currently, at the moment, we subsidise the outsourcers so they can make a profit on top of the costs of providing the service, so the “tax payers”, in their various guises are actually paying more for the service.
I don’t have kids, but I see the economic sense of freeing up people in their prime to keep working, to pay taxes, to continue to provide services for all. We don’t have a private defence force, private police, etc. Outsourcing Government responsibilities has been disastrous, at times. The it costs even more taxpayer money to fix it up again. Usually after the “private industry” players have bunked off with the money.
How many times have we seen privatise the profits and socialise the losses.This “taxpayer” would prefer a transparent Government run service than the murky “trust us” private one.
I see the economic sense of freeing up people in their prime to keep working, to pay taxes, to continue to provide services for all
Firstly, those currently with a job can use that money to pay for childcare. I qualify for this but bloody hell, it's a slap in the face to give for "free" only to those who can afford it.
Secondly, if we really want to free up funds for people to pay for childcare, hence to work, hence to be able to provide service, just lower the tax and let us handle our own finance.
How many times have we seen privatise the profits and socialise the losses.
The solution to not socialize the loss isn't to socialize the entire system. It is simply to not socialize the loss.
This “taxpayer” would prefer a transparent Government run service than the murky “trust us” private one.
Transparent? Government run service?. Vladimir Lenin, is that you?
@[Deactivated]: So you want to shutdown Government run schools as well? All we are talking about is an extension of this system. Some of the childcare costs are extortionate. If the “second income” mostly goes on childcare then there is little incentive for the person to go back to work. Which has the knock on effect on superannuation all the way through to getting the pension.
Why not socialise the whole thing. We are talking about an essential service like child care not some frippery “nice to have”. As indicated, we do it for schools - this is only an extension.
Yes, Governments do have better transparency than private industry. If it all goes to pot the private industry can just shut up shop, declare itself broke, and leave the rest of us carrying the can. It has, already, happened with privatised building inspections, privatised tertiary education, etc. And these were before we look at the current disaster that is the world economy.
If Trump is the shining light of the Capitalist system then I can live with being called Lenin. Although, I would argue that Russia never adhered to true Communist or Socialist principles, in fact the leadership had a lot more in common with how Capitalism is played, at the highest levels.
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So you want to shutdown Government run schools as well? All we are talking about is an extension of this system.
Firstly, this isn't an extension. Public schools are accessible to everyone. The proposed childcare provision is only to those who have a job in a nominated sector.
Second, the extension could be extended in every way. Why not also pay for the food these children will consume. Why not pay for food also consumed by workers? How about accommodation. We can rationalize socializing everything if we simply take government schools are free and essential, expand from there.
If it all goes to pot the private industry can just shut up shop, declare itself broke, and leave the rest of us carrying the can.
Business doesn't work that way. If I run by business to the ground, I bear all the losses. You're referencing an exception and making it the rule.
If Trump is the shining light of the Capitalist system
The guy who has reduced unemployment and increased wages? That's a bad example of capitalist outcome?
Communist or Socialist principles, in fact the leadership had a lot more in common with how Capitalism is played
No wonder Russia reminds me of the USA.
@[Deactivated]: My view is childcare should be a Government run service available to everyone. My, version, is an extension of the current school system. It should be accessible to all and the provision of the service standardised.
No, I’m referencing where essential Government services have been outsourced to private industry and it has failed. Have a good look around, there are quite a few examples of that. There have, also, been quite a few examples were the costs of the services has skyrocketed and the quality has been decreased. There is a profit motive incentive to do this with a captive consumer.
Trump reduced unemployment, and increased wages, by overheating the US economy. Even before the current disaster there were articles that said you don’t push interest rates so low because there is nothing to work with when the bad times come. Guess what, the bad times are here and all we have is Government stimulus. Apparently all Governments revert to socialism when the disaster is big enough.
We bail out farmers in drought, we put money into areas that have been ravaged by natural disasters and we will be bailing this out for a very long time. As a society we privatise the profits and socialise the losses.
I do agree with you that Russia reminds me of the USA - except that Putin is a lot smarter than Trump. I, really, don’t like either of them.
@try2bhelpful: This is the ultimate truth:
As a society we privatise the profits and socialise the losses.
And guess who get most of the profits..
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Quantitative easing is the process by which a central bank uses its cash reserves (or even prints money)
HOUSE Prices are the root of all evil in Australia.
Wow, another new measure announced by the government with absolutely no detail.
Unless I missed it, so how do we apply for this?
Don't think you do.
Any kid at childcare goes for free
It seems partially limited to those whose parents are both working or previously enrolled in the childcare, but this could change.
The price for childcare has gone up like 22% in last 4 years way beyond inflation and now this industry is being subsidised by the government.
I'm all for free childcare as i think its an essential service but should apply to government owned childcare centres and increasing placement for those, not bailing out private enterprise like Goodstart (now claiming victim) who earn >$1bn a year. Especially after they stated they made 3,000 casual staff redundant.
My childcare says govt only pays them the 50% but they are to not change customers so they're essentially losing half income… Thus doesn't sound right
Don't have children but from what I hear about childcare it's a rort. There's very little regulation so a lot of providers get ultra greedy and overcharge. The government shouldn't be subsidising a broken industry. Fix it first.
Whilst people appreciate the jobs the essential service workers are doing right now, they still have their jobs which are presumably still paying the same and are presumably still paying the same childcare fees they were managing to afford before, and presumably still paying all their bills which they were able to pay before and spending all the money they were before to help the economy.
I don't see how this is a sensible use of taxpayer funds at this time.
I agree, the government has been very reactionary to this pandemic and hasn't really given its rushed policies much thought.
Also the main logical argument for greater taxpayer funding of childcare would be that such funding encourages greater workforce participation (eg parents who are discouraged from returning to the workforce or working more hours due to cost of childcare) thus benefiting the economy and society overall. Since many people can't go to their jobs right now, nor are the businesses hiring we have no need to encourage more people to participate in the workforce.
It means that children from those workers/parents considered as 'essential' will be given first preference.