Is There Currently Any Way to Get P2 Masks in High Quantity? (This isn’t for resale, relative has been asked to track down any available for healthcare use)
Is There Currently Any Way to Get P2 Masks in High Quantity?
h3h3 on 31/03/2020 - 15:38
Last edited 31/03/2020 - 17:28 by 1 other user
Last edited 31/03/2020 - 17:28 by 1 other user
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No, to put it bluntly. There's a nation-wide shortage and unless you've got the full kit (masks, gown, gloves, helmet), there's no point for the general population to get buying any masks, let alone buy them in high quantities.
Save them for the hospitals mate.
Sorry should have said this isn’t for gen pop use
Then why do you need them in 'High Quantity'?
Relative had been asked to find any available for local hospital to use. Looking to pass on any helpful leads due to current shortage. Not for myself
@h3h3: To ship to China? j/k :p
Dont bother. I tried already asking around. You wont find any in Oz. Probably you have better chance winning lotto.
@vietbargain: it's not that simple.
staff are requesting masks and being bullied by senior staff.
i donated 100 masks to a Q Health worker last night.
why am i giving masks to hospital staff and not their employer?
@h3h3: Bullshit. Hospitals would have their own channels for sourcing and have more options compared to the general public.
@payton: i thought that to myself as i was driving along with a box of surgical masks delivering them to a Q Health employee because her work wouldn't provide her with any.
@myusername: I'm bit skeptical of a mysterious saviour claiming various things, to have a hoard of essentials, and anecdotes of hospital staff begging the general public to source PPE for them. Please ask your Q Health contact to blow the whistle anonymously, THEN we'll see and you might get validated then and not before.
The Govt isn't stupid enough to have policies that highly endanger staff as this will blow back at them badly if the media gets wind of it. Same goes with critical shortages at hospitals. It will undermine their credibility. This is usually called the courier mail test. Checking whether your decision will withstand external scrutiny is up there in the checklist.
Govt staffers who have supervisory/leadership roles are aware that any decision they take, needs to align with current directives from the top. Anything not so, will bite them hard if they cannot justify it. If questions are being raised by the very top due to adverse media coverage, a hornet's nest of enquiries ('please explain') will go down to each layer of management down to that person.
@payton: look at it from this perspective. we have limited supply of masks in aust due to the bushfires. we purchased them and donated them to the volunteer firies. and then the virus came along. we didnt have enough masks for the community.
on a serious note.
do you think the government would admit we ran out of masks to the public?
especially when they saw how people lost their minds over toilet paper?
certain q health staff have been told not to wear masks as to not cause panic.
do you think at any point in time the government will tell the public to mask up?
anyone who is Asian or has lived in parts will know this is the time we all should be wearing masks.please dont think i'm taking an aggressive tone. i'm really curious to your thoughts as you responded in a mature manner and i respect that.
@myusername: The place I buy PPE from, told me some things can't even be ordered-in anymore because the wholesaler was told to reserve stock. This was about 3 weeks ago.
do you think the government would admit we ran out of masks to the public?
especially when they saw how people lost their minds over toilet paper?I don't think Govt would let it get to that point when there are no masks left even for healthcare staff.
First they'll be a laughingstock and second, absolute chaos would ensue: healthcare staff refusing to work, the vulnerable (elderly) getting even more vulnerable, the symptomatic can't cover up. If that ever happens, even if the Govt refused to admit facts, you'd hear very loud murmurs from the healthcare staff, doctors' association, pharmacist guilds and so on. Not to mention the journos are always listening :)This might interest you. There are organised groups flying supplies into/out of China to here
Guess the upside of locking down everyone is that less people going out = less need for masks for the public (esp if not symptomatic).
Interesting points. IMO Govt will tell people to steer clear of any crowd whenever possible instead of telling everyone to wear masks. Its just a bit surreal and promotes …. anxiety, and with anxiety comes panic buying.
/tips hat
@payton: a few of us saw what was coming.
my friends in hk were panicking asking for help i sent masks to them.
and asked for no money in return.
a couple weeks after they received the masks they told me they would send some back as i was going to need them soon. as access to masks had somewhat improved over there.
believe it or not there are many members of the chinese community now who are actively supplying masks to hospital and medical staff free of charge. this is happening in brisbane right now. why? because they know our hospital and medical staff need our help more than ever. and how do i know this? because some of them have been giving masks to me to supply to random nurses or medical staff in doctors who have been asking around.
i really do appreciate you taking the time to respond. it's good to have a discussion with someone who doesnt have the attitude 'it's just a flu'
@myusername: I will concede the point that rationing is in place, but only to a certain justifiable extent.
Denying required PPE to a staffer is not rationing.One frontline doctor wrote in the AMAQ survey: "it is painful to see and hear officials talk about PPE supply not being an issue, while on the front line in my Emergency Department, we are being told to wear the same mask for several shifts in a row [providing they are not high-risk patients] in order to preserve PPE.”
Queensland Health has previously confirmed it had put policies in place to limit the use of PPE to high-risk cases, and to reuse it in lower-risk cases wherever possible, even though that is not best medical practice.
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https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/doctors…
"Doctors fear they do not have enough protective gear"
Ask a grocery shopper, and they'll likely tell you they fear there aren't enough supplies available to last the entire pandemic.
There needs to be a balance between gold plating ('the best medical practice') and conserving valuable supplies..
Queensland Health director general John Wakefield said stocks of PPE for public hospitals were not an issue in the short term, while private hospitals and many GP clinics were actually supplied through the federal stockpile, not the state one.
“I can confirm our supply and distribution system is working – we have not at any point reached a stage where we have had difficulty getting PPE to [public] hospitals,” Dr Wakefield said.
“There’s a large healthcare system beyond public hospitals - aged care centres, primary care, private hospitals - of which the major Commonwealth stockpile are responsible for supplying.”
Dr Wakefield said while there was no short-term supply issues, Queensland Health was aware that sourcing PPE for the length of the pandemic was going to be an issue, and because of that were working with 200 local suppliers to remove the reliance on overseas sources of protective gear.
“In short, we do not have any critical shortages of PPE right now, but there are certainly international shortages of supply," he said.
@h3h3: LOL, so a hospital's procurement department asks your relative to ask you to ask us, if we know how to get masks?
@arkie0: I'm on to it.
I will ask my neighbour, I think his cousins daughter is going out with a guy who has a friend that may be able to help. I think he works in a hospital's procurement department.
Why do they need P2 masks? The only reason to use P2 mask is to prevent breathing in hazardous particles.
Odd how people just latch on keywords, isn't it.
P2, P95, P2, P95 on and on and on…
Those masks will filter 95% (hence the name) of particles above ~0.25 microns (remember PM2.5 from a few months back)? You still get to breathe in 5% of it, so yay.
And never mind viruses can be 1/1000 of that size.
I wonder why P100 never gets mentioned. You can get R95 & N95 masks too…
But no, P95, P95, P95…
Don't bother asking mate, you won't get a straight answer here. Answering a question with a question seems like the norm, unless you've backed up your question in advance by explaining in lots of detail the reasons you are entitled to ask it. You just can't ask a straightforward question.
Long shot but this person might be able to help though I'd imagine you'll have to do a bit of leg work to get them here.
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Speak to hellopam… eBay munted her account and now she is drowning in them… :D
I'm happy to help out a fellow ozb. Put me down for 100 pcs.
If your relative is a doctor or nurse they will know where to get masks. Is a hospital or doctor surgery honestly asking its employees to rummage around Bunnings and ask on the Internet for masks?
Not true. We are a medical practice who are struggling to find Personal protective equipment for our staff and patients including masks and even isopropyl alcohol to clean the rooms between patients. I had to rummage around on the internet to keep my practice open and keep my staff employed.
My spouse works in healthcare and they are rationing supplies - mainly because they are adopting new policies to wear masks in some situations where they were not previously required.
In the paper today there was an article about Detmold starting a new production line to make surgical and N95 masks, ultimately supplying 145million to the national stockpile and South Australian health.So I agree it likely isn’t official policy to ask a mate for any masks, I also think at the coal face health workers are probably keen for more supplies.
and it hasn’t even started yet.
Don't you read the news? There's a shortage, even anaethetists are asked to reuse masks.
how many?
and where are you located?
I’m getting 200 masks sent from a friend in China. Probably take ages to get here though.
China have enough of our products.
Please donate it to hospitals
Do you work in healthcare? If the answer is no, end thread.