Jeep Gladiator Truck Coming to Australia Mid-2020 Discussion Thread

Hybroid on 10/02/2020 - 15:22
Last edited 11/02/2020 - 15:38

Jeep Gladiator truck making it's way to Australia mid-2020. Some dealerships will have demo models available in the next few days we can go have a look and play with.

Won't be everyone's cup of tea (not a Corolla/Camry..) but the options for a rugged off-road focused vehicle with a proper petrol V6 (wish was V8) rather than a tiny diesel 4-pot like new Prados are quite limited now the beloved 4.0L V6 FJ Cruiser is discontinued. Considering a part exchange swap personally to add a camping rooftop tent over the pickup bed storage and head further into the wilderness. Test drove the Wrangler JL, quite liked it but never pulled the trigger.

Granted Jeeps aren't best known for overall reliability, but has strong off-road credentials, seems popular for adventuring and the modability option range is quite exciting. Anyone else considering one?

Locations and upcoming dates: https://i.imgur.com/kb5giG7.jpg

Official site: https://www.jeep.com.au/gladiator.html

Wayout Concept for example mods: https://moparinsiders.com/inside-design-jeep-gladiator-wayou…

Review: https://www.caradvice.com.au/817075/2020-jeep-gladiator-revi…

Review 2: https://www.carsguide.com.au/adventure/jeep-gladiator-rubico…

Jeep Wrangler Rubicon has won the 2020 4X4 Of The Year award.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/4x4oty/jeep-wrangler-rub…

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Comments

  • spackbace on 10/02/2020 - 15:40
    +38

    Jeep

    Ah, I see you like having your car break outside warranty period, massively affecting resale

    Next round of Toyota commercials will likely see hybrid-petrol offerings I reckon. As long as the petrol engine is big and grunty enough, should be good

    12cm longer than a Ranger… holy crap!

    • Hybroid on 10/02/2020 - 15:51
      -6

      To be honest a 5 year warranty is more than sufficient for me as unlikely to keep it for longer (Hummer EV by then maybe?!) and a main dealer <15 mins away is perfect.

      I'm open to seeing what Toyota have to offer but realistically the Prado is the only suitable one in the range and don't have high hopes for a V6 offering again. 300 series is far too large and don't need that towability while rest too small/not real off-roaders.

      Mitsubishi could blindside us with an all-new powerful amazingly modernised Pajero redesign… Nah who am I kidding. Bronco not coming here, what else?

      • spackbace on 10/02/2020 - 15:53
        +9

        Warranty doesn't mean everything though. When I said outside warranty, I also mean within warranty, and no one likes their car being off the road due to warranty repairs.

        As I said, I reckon Toyota will ditch diesel at some point over the next 5 years to offer petrol-hybrid offerings. They just need to ensure it tows adequately, and has the grunt for what it's needed for, and we'll be all good!

        Interesting that the Chasing Cars review mentions the on-road driving a lot more than CarAdvice. After all, majority of your driving is on the bitumen. You don't spend ~$80k for a purely weekender

        General comments of the CarAdvice review echo the general public with Jeep

        • Hybroid on 10/02/2020 - 18:39
          +1

          You don't spend ~$80k for a purely weekender

          I pretty much did. $50k for the FJ for weekending and trips with club. Now at a crossroad of spending $10-15k modding it (to still be quite dated overall) or put it towards a brand new vehicle.

          I don't expect on-road comfort anywhere near a GLC but then neither's the FJ really especially with KO2s. I don't drive much in city so no issues there.

          • 91rs on 12/02/2020 - 09:26
            +12

            @Hybroid: Don't do it.
            Stick with the FJ, superior vehicle and well reliability craps all over anything Jeep have ever made.

        • [Deactivated] on 10/02/2020 - 19:10

          If Toyota do ditch diesel, that's incredibly short sighted. While hybrids are great around town (especially in large SUVs off the lights), they don't add anything to towing. So you're going to have a vehicle that has great paper specs, but when you're doing long range highway towing, the hybrid drive isn't going to help at all with range, and it's not going to help with high end power (the way that Toyota to date uses it's hybrid tech). It means you'll essentially have a long range towing rig without the torque of a diesel, with the fuel economy of an underpowered petrol and poor range. They need to keep at least the V8 diesel in the line up for the grey army (and it needs a big update, 200kw and 650nm is a joke for 4.5L TT).

          • spackbace on 10/02/2020 - 19:14
            +1

            @[Deactivated]: Just read an article which rumoured there will be a turbo diesel and turbo petrol LC300, with hybrid to come later. 6-cyl, no V8 because of emissions rules

            But just a rumour, we haven't heard anything yet

            • [Deactivated] on 10/02/2020 - 19:18
              +1

              @spackbace: Hopefully they can make a competitive V6 diesel. The Germans are making 6 cylinder diesels with great power and torque, so Toyota, even with their conservative outputs should be able to improve on the V8. It's astounding that they never developed that engine over it's lifetime. German 2.0 4 cylinder diesels aren't far off it's outputs now.

              • dealsucker on 12/02/2020 - 10:51
                +1

                @[Deactivated]: A german 2.0 litre diesel which is as powerful on paper wont match the performance in real life and neither would be as effortless or as long lasting and by a long shot. There is a reason why that big 4.5l lump only makes 200 kw and 650 nm. All that torque is available barely above idle rpm and max power is accessible only at 3600 rpm. There is a reason why there isnt even a single German SUV in the off road circles around Australia or beyond. Its all Japanese. If it was between a 3.0 diesel making 200kw or a 4.5, I would take the 4.5 any which day. There is no replacement for displacement.

                • zombie hunter on 12/02/2020 - 20:41

                  @dealsucker: I live on a property with steep winding road.
                  4.7 v8 cruiser with car trailer with a car pass easy
                  hilux turbo diesel with a car trailer with a car…. failed. Stop twice due to overheating….
                  Big block diesel/petrol are the only way to tow. too many horror stories with small ones in the outback

                  • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2020 - 22:09

                    @zombie hunter: A 4.7 Toyota V8 is not a big block

          • LlamaOfDoom on 12/02/2020 - 21:00
            +2

            @[Deactivated]: Agreed, ditching diesel will get Toyota kicked off every cropping farm in the country (hello fire risk!).

      • brendanm on 10/02/2020 - 17:18
        +2

        Not real offroaders? What sort of rock climbing are you doing? The ridiculous wheelbase on this silly looking thing will limit its off road ability.

        • Hybroid on 10/02/2020 - 18:43
          +1

          The number of AWD vehicles that get stuck at Sydney Boat Harbour beach is incredible. I spend a lot of time in Stockton dune climbing and crawling through many routes across the Blue Mountains. Wanting something more suitable to start venturing into the outback.

    • MessyG on 12/02/2020 - 20:36

      It's not just a Jeep tho, it's a gladiator Jeep.

  • waterbottled on 10/02/2020 - 15:52
    +4

    juggling between this and the cx3

    • spackbace on 10/02/2020 - 15:53
      +7

      Put the CX3 in the tray

      • pegaxs on 10/02/2020 - 16:23
        +4

        Put the Jeep in the cylindrical file…

        • Nugs on 10/02/2020 - 16:50
          +7

          skips are rectangular
          .

  • [Deactivated] on 10/02/2020 - 15:56
    +10

    I like the looks.

    I like the specs.

    I like the price.

    I dislike the brand and I think the timing for release is a little too late.

    The Ranger, Amarok and Navara are due for an overhaul. Many would be willing to wait a year or two to see what's coming up.

    Rivian and the Cybertruck are making great strides at electrifying the truck market.

    Being their first foray into the dual cab ute market, anyone would make design oversights. Jeep will not be an exception.

    Glad to see another market contender. Will love to see it succeed. Doubt it will be a big player. Unlikely to win my money.

    • Hybroid on 10/02/2020 - 18:44

      Fully agree with you, this is a really good perspective, thanks for that.

    • resisting the urge on 12/02/2020 - 12:34

      It does have massive potential in the Au market- any new offering at the more rugged end will be welcomed. And people want tray and space and off-road capability. So many already buy Jeep regardless of the support/quality/dealer challenges.

      But isn't there zero import tariff for US product now? Surely a Wrangler with a bucket should be more competitive than 80k. Most are choosing between a Hi-Lux, D-Max, Ranger, sorts- and this, and they are all cheaper.

      Most are nicer to drive and better inside than this, which means this can't go mainstream, despite this potential. They need to fix the quality problems first, to get past the 'Who'd want to fix one of these out in the bush' objection

      Given all their larger beasts are not so popular, it looks like GMC/Chrysler is happy to continue struggling to improve penetration, despite having so much in their favour

      • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2020 - 12:44

        It does have massive potential in the Au market- any new offering at the more rugged end will be welcomed.

        Yes and no. Our market prefers perceived reliability over perceived ruggedness. Jeeps have one of the worst perceiced reliability.

        Secondly, our ute market is heavily driven by tax structure and hence why most utes are driven by tradies and are a tax deduction. I cannot fathom a tradie that is willing to risk their business on the reliability of a Jeep.

        Pegaxs' meme truly summed it up - without addressing the brand perception, especially perception of parts cost and poor repiability, coming up with new models and new features is an exercise in futility.

  • pegaxs on 10/02/2020 - 16:22
    +28

    Who cares… it’s a Wrangler with a tray.

      • pegaxs on 11/02/2020 - 16:15
        +20

        Lol. You do know that they just buy these awards, yeah? It’s more about not pissing off your customers who are paying your ad revenue. And it's so good that it's one of the worst selling vehicles on the market.

        Toyota Hilux (1st), Ford Ranger (2nd) and Mitsubishi Triton (5th) utes dominate the top of the sales boards. They don't need to buy bullshit car of the year awards, because the vehicles speak for themselves.

        Jeep on the other hand are desperate to try and fix their shitbox vehicles by buying up "4x4/ute of the year" awards instead of actually fixing their shit build quality, unreliability and arsehole attitude to customers and consumer law.

        These are the vehicles they pitted the Jeep against…

        Suzuki Jimny (Lol… ok)
        Land Rover Discovery Sd6 (Toorak Tractor. Known shitbox)
        Nissan Navara N-Trek Warrior (A Nissan??)
        SsangYong Musso XLV (Really, do I need to say anything about being up against this shitbox)
        Mitsubishi Triton (Still outsells Jeep by about 100:1)
        Mercedes-Benz X350d (Huh? Why?)

        Why no Toyota Hilux, No Landcruiser, no Ranger, no Izuzu, no Amarok? Hell, no Colorado even.

        It's a bullshit award at best. Given out to who ever wanted to pay for it. These other makers probably told them to eat a bag of (fropanity) when "Whichcar" asked them for test vehicles or advertising.

        • SupeNintendoChalmers on 12/02/2020 - 13:51
          +10

          The Wrangler got a 1 star ANCAP Safety rating.

          a ONE STAR safety rating IN 2019, yet it one 4x4 Australia Magazzine, 4x4 of the year?

          • pegaxs on 12/02/2020 - 15:11

            @SupeNintendoChalmers: And the Jeep fanobois will be here soon enough with cries of "It'Z OnLy bEcAuSe oF LaNe DePaRtUrE aNd AeB!!11!!1!1"

            (On ANCAP site, it got a "3")

            Nope, it's just a 3 star safety shitbox.

            Suzuki Jimny - 3 Star (2018 tested)
            Land Rover Discovery Sd6 - 5 Star (2017 tested)
            Nissan Navara - 5 Star (2015 tested)
            SsangYong Musso XLV - 4 Star (2016 tested)
            Mitsubishi Triton - 5 Star (2015 tested)
            Mercedes-Benz X350d - 5 Star (2017 tested)

            It was beaten by SsangYong, FFS.

            My favourite part of the Jeep ANCAP test was;

            Pole Oblique: 0.00 out of 8

            A (fropanity) ZERO!

            Or (a majority of serious accidents);

            Frontal Offset: 3.89 out of 8

            A 3.89 out of 8 for the most common serious accident type.

            • AussieDeals on 23/02/2020 - 18:13

              @pegaxs: How are they allowed to keep selling that thing with those ANCAP findings?

              • pegaxs on 23/02/2020 - 18:31

                @AussieDeals: I don’t think there is any government cut off for shitbox cars. The Mustang is no better at 3 stars, but it doesn’t affect their sales…

  • wiipantz on 10/02/2020 - 16:25
    +4

    Eww…

  • Bid Sniper on 10/02/2020 - 16:40
    +16

    Ballsy putting 5 year warranty on them, then again, FIAT-Chrysler never honour warranties so might as well be 1000 years

    No pricing but guess its fair chunk of a Cybertruck price.

    Hard nope

    • [Deactivated] on 13/02/2020 - 22:53
      +2

      Not exactly like Tesla has a stellar reputation for quality control on their products either. Its comical to see that kind of build quality and amount of panel gaps on a 100k plus car, and if you want spare parts such as new panels youll both have to pay out the arse and wait months and months for them to arrive

  • Gronk on 10/02/2020 - 16:44
    +7

    Wonder if they can better the Wrangler's 1 star ANCAP rating with this baby!

    • spackbace on 10/02/2020 - 16:49

      Wait till it does the Moose test!

      • Gronk on 10/02/2020 - 16:51
        +6

        Nah they'll just spin it as a feature - "Can barrel roll with the best of 'em" :D

        • spackbace on 10/02/2020 - 16:51
          +1

          "Like a glove!"

  • [Deactivated] on 10/02/2020 - 18:49

    I think a kitted out one of these (Mojave with uprated Fox shocks etc), is going to be pushing $100k (based on a Rubicon wrangler being $70k, a premium for it being a Gladiator pick up and another premium for the Mojave package), which puts it in Cybertruck Dual motor money. I'd be getting the Cybertruck personally.

    • [Deactivated] on 11/02/2020 - 12:22
      +1

      I highly doubt the cybertruck is going to be sub $100k.

      They are F150 size class. Something that size in 4×2 is easily well over $100k.

      My bet is the Cybertruck will start at $140k.

      • [Deactivated] on 11/02/2020 - 15:54
        +1

        You’re wrong. Tesla doesn’t do predatory pricing based off the competition in the market. The price is literally the US price, plus Australian taxes and import costs * a hedged exchange rate. You can literally work out the pricing easily, but generally it works out as the US price times 2. As an example, in the US the Model S costs the same as an S class Mercedes. In Australia, Mercedes charge a huge premium on the S class for no reason other than profiteering. So here the Model S costs the same a mid range E class. The Cybertruck will start at under $80k (provided exchange rates don’t differ too much) for the RWD and cost $100k for the 4WD. (Double the $usd49k base price).

        • [Deactivated] on 11/02/2020 - 16:37

          I sure hope I am wrong. :)

          My truck has 3-4 years of desirable life and it is going to be my paddock bomb. I can easily justify sub $100k for a replacement but have been rehearsing for $140k.

          • pegaxs on 11/02/2020 - 17:16

            @[Deactivated]: I'm with you on this, tshow. There is no way the Tesla truck is going to come in at anything close to sub $80k.

            This happens with every Tesla release. Marketing touts this unrealistic, too cheap to be true price, then it hits the market at double that. The model 3, their cheapest car to date, is $80k+ (well above the $30~$35,000US price that was plugged). The cybertruck is a much bigger, more complex, heavier duty vehicle that it aimed at the RAM/F series/Silverado segment.

            I placed a deposit on a Brammo Empulse R electric motorcycle many years ago when the price of the bike was quoted at $8,990US. By the time it was released to market, it had been dumbed down, features removed and specs downgraded and final price ended up being $19,000US. It went on sale in Australia for about $28,000+ ORC. They sold a grand total of "0". (And ironically, the only one that was ever complied for Australian market is now for sale… for a cool $24k… ouch.)

            Cybertruck ("if" it ever gets to market and passes ADR) will be in the $100~$120k segment for the base model and $140~$160k for the range topper.

            Honestly… a top of the range Hyundai Santa Fe, or for $10k more, a Cybertruck? I don't think so.

            • [Deactivated] on 11/02/2020 - 18:46
              +5

              @pegaxs: You’re literally making up prices. The Tesla Model 3 SR is available in the states for $35k. The cheapest model available here is the SR+ which in Vic is $73,100 drive away. It’s literally the US price + Australian taxes converted. Same with the Model S and X. Tesla aren’t going to change their pricing policy for the truck. They are here to disrupt the market, not maintain the status quo.

  • Euphemistic on 10/02/2020 - 18:52
    +5

    but the options for a rugged off-road focused vehicle with a proper petrol V6 (wish was V8) rather than a tiny diesel 4-pot like new Prados …

    Someone’s living in the past. 4cyl turbo diesel has been the mainstay of 4wds for a long time. There is a reason they discontinued the V6 petrol motors. Not enough buyers. Trust the Yanks to keep on living in the past.

    Turbo and hybrid are the way for now until electric takes over. Big thirsty petrol/Diesel engines are on the way out.

    • [Deactivated] on 10/02/2020 - 19:16
      +3

      What a load of BS. If you're talking about the D4D in the Prado, it's pissweak. The Jeep Pentastar V6 is a great engine. It's reasonably powerful (210kw) and not that thirsty. With an 8 speed it'll run with many diesels if you factor the price of diesel in over 91 Octane. The Pentastar (contrary to popular belief) is robust and reliable and will run on the worst petrol this country has to offer. Hybrid is also useless for towing. I've got no problem with turbo motors, but to say that a 4 cylinder diesel is better than the Pentastar is very misguided. The reason why Toyota discontinued their V6 Prado and FJ was because it was ridiculously thirsty thanks to the shitty gearbox attached to it. You can get away with a shitty gearbox on a diesel if you sacrifice a lot of performance for economy.

      • Euphemistic on 11/02/2020 - 05:32
        +1

        If you're talking about the D4D in the Prado, it's pissweak.

        Not surprised by your response. I must have no idea what I’m talking about. every time I see a prado, or Hilux for that matter ahead in traffic I know it’s going to be a slow trip. 210kw is only reasonably powerful? What planet do you live on?

        All the diesel utes don’t have the same engine, there are quite a few different ones.

        Hybrids are yet to be proven for towing, but no one has really made one for that task yet. THe next landcruiser appears to have one planned. Time will tell

        • [Deactivated] on 11/02/2020 - 15:55
          +1

          Yeah 210kw in a large car is adequate, but it definitely doesn’t mean it’s a quick car. A Jeep with a 3.6 only does 0-100kmh in 7-8 seconds. That’s pretty slow these days. 140kw in a large car like the Prado is a joke. If you knew how Toyota implements it’s hybrid system, you’d know it’s useless for towing (other than from a standstill). I can’t fathom how a hybrid motor would help with towing because after a short time the battery would discharge and then you’re down on power. A diesel is much better in this regard.

          • Euphemistic on 11/02/2020 - 19:40
            +1

            @[Deactivated]:

            Yeah 210kw in a large car is adequate, but it definitely doesn’t mean it’s a quick car. A Jeep with a 3.6 only does 0-100kmh in 7-8 seconds. That’s pretty slow these days. 140kw in a large car like the Prado is a joke.

            No one ‘needs’ more acceleration, especially in a big cumbersome 4wd. 140kw is perfectly adequate, or you’d see queues of traffic stuck behind every 4wd around. As I’ve said elsewhere I don’t hold up traffic with 110kw (less 10years of wear) in my ute. Depends how I drive it, it won’t outrun ‘powerful cars’ when they try, but it’ll keep up with as much as I want.

            . Prados, and other similarly powers similar sized vehicles are perfectly fine as tow vehicles as well, lugging around caravans, horse floats and ski boats without much drama. Don’t forget it’s not just the kW that determine a vehicles Nm is a big part of it and I’d be surprised if the petrol V6 didn’t have similar torque to the diesels.

            If you knew how Toyota implements it’s hybrid system, you’d know it’s useless for towing (other than from a standstill). I can’t fathom how a hybrid motor would help with towing because after a short time the battery would discharge and then you’re down on power. A diesel is much better in this regard.

            Just because you can’t fathom it doesn’t mean that a hybrid system designed to suit the towing application isn’t viable. You are only looking at current systems. Just because they build a system to cope with stop start now doesn’t mean they can’t modify it to suit long haul driving better. It may mean tweaking the generating phase to suit the terrain which is entirely feasible using GPS technology. I don’t know how they might do it, but ty can’t rule it out because they only build hybrid systems for city traffic now. Other mobs build hybrid trucks, bet they aren’t programmed the same as a Prius.

            • [Deactivated] on 11/02/2020 - 20:42
              -3

              @Euphemistic: You're living in the past. Cars are supposed to get more powerful, not less. 110kw is the type of power you get in a low end VW Golf. 140kw is woefully inadequate for a large 4*4. Prados are not great tow vehicles, they are only rated to 3000kg, and I'd hate to be in one towing up hill. With a decent load it wouldn't even be able to maintain the speed limit. That's great that you like shitty cars. Most people don't.

              • Euphemistic on 12/02/2020 - 05:48
                +2

                @[Deactivated]:

                Cars are supposed to get more powerful

                Why? We don’t need any more power. Cars are more than adequate to meet the speed limits we have. They can be more economical and maintain the same suitable power levels to improve.

                That’s great you like shitty cars. Most people don’t.

                Its great that you love the latest and greatest. It’s not great that you can’t bring yourself to recognise that any but the fastest or most powerful is still suitable for most people to use daily. Toyota sell thousands of new cars suited to the task despite your hate of them.

                • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2020 - 07:04
                  -5

                  @Euphemistic: You have 110kw. You need more power. I’m not talking about the most powerful. I’m talking about average. You’re just so out of touch, you’re unaware of what that is.

                  • Euphemistic on 12/02/2020 - 08:06

                    @[Deactivated]: No. I don’t need more power. You appear to be the one who is out of touch with what the average driver has and uses.

                    There is no point having more power than average, it uses more fuel and just gets you to the next red light quicker so you have to wait for longer. It’s only a tiny percentage of drivers that want to use their vehicle for tack days, and funnily enough they buy the most powerful cars available.

                    • 91rs on 12/02/2020 - 09:49
                      -1

                      @Euphemistic: So because you and others like you being super average dont want any more power, couldnt handle it, dont want the expense everyone else should not have a choice?
                      I'm sure you'd have everyone driving around in the same white appliance other people who have no interest in cars would purchase.
                      Last I checked no ones taking a Jeep to a track day!

                      • Euphemistic on 12/02/2020 - 11:22
                        +1

                        @91rs:

                        Last I checked no ones taking a Jeep to a track day!

                        So you do get my point. Current 4x4 vehicles have enough power to get around town and on the highway and good torque to tackle off roadig. You don’t need massive kW in a 4x4 because they are not designed for track days.

                        I’ve driven plenty of cars that seemed to struggle to keep up with traffic, but that was a long time ago. Those days are gone, and those vehicles are few and far between now. Traffic speeds are fast enough, current and even10yo vehicles are capable of that with ease - my old ute with original 110kW included. The likes of BurnerToasty that seems to want sports car acceleration in a 4wd and think everything else is ‘woefully underpowered’ are kiddie themselves.

                    • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2020 - 09:51
                      -1

                      @Euphemistic: Yes, and you aren’t even close to average power. That’s why I’m saying your out of touch. My point is that the 210kw a Pentastar delivers is pretty average for the size of vehicles they put it in.

                      • Euphemistic on 12/02/2020 - 11:26

                        @[Deactivated]: So what if I don’t have ‘average power’. I don’t need it, I’ve stated time and again my vehicle is capable of keeping up with traffic, sticking to the limit and overtaking safely on the highway and towing a decent load. Heck it even pulls away if I use the right pedal heavy enough.

                        210kW. Fine. At what revs? How many Nm and how much fuel does it use?

                        • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2020 - 12:19

                          @Euphemistic: As stated before a Pentastar with the 8 speed gets decent enough fuel economy to compete with the equivalent Diesel engine, when you factor in that 91 Octane is considerably cheaper than diesel.

                          • Euphemistic on 23/02/2020 - 18:05
                            +1

                            @[Deactivated]:

                            91 Octane is considerably cheaper than diesel.

                            No it’s not. Lately I’ve seen fuel prices where diesel is up to 20cpl less than petrol. It’s been ages since I’ve seen petrol significantly less than diesel, occasionally a couple of cents but not more. diesel also doesn’t have the stupid price cycling that petrol has.

      • csimpson on 23/02/2020 - 16:13

        "Hybrid is useless for towing" is such uninformed crap. All that extra low-down torque is going to be a godsend for any towing application.

        • [Deactivated] on 23/02/2020 - 16:15

          How about you read the entire comments. It literally only helps you off at the lights. The top end, where you need the constant torque on power, is going to mean that a hybrid system is just extra weight when towing long distance. In most towing applications on motorways, there is a good chance that a hybrid system would have worse fuel economy than a large capacity diesel because of the extra weight it's lagging around not doing anything.

          • csimpson on 23/02/2020 - 16:21

            @[Deactivated]: I've read the comments, thanks mate. It's interesting that you've started arguing a different, more specific point than you were before. It's almost like hybrids aren't useless for towing and you're backpedaling.

            "The top end, where you need the constant torque on power", is perfectly adequately managed by a petrol engine operating near its peak torque. Which, in a naturally aspirated low-stress Toyota engine like they use in hybrid applications, begins around ~2400RPM.

            I'll happily bet you $10 that the future petrol-hybrid Land Cruiser will be better at towing than the turbo diesel.

            • [Deactivated] on 23/02/2020 - 16:27

              @csimpson: Is there something wrong with you? I'm not back pedalling at all. Literally in my second post (which is weeks old, what are you even digging this up for?), I said 'If you knew how Toyota implements it’s hybrid system, you’d know it’s useless for towing (other than from a standstill). I can’t fathom how a hybrid motor would help with towing because after a short time the battery would discharge and then you’re down on power. A diesel is much better in this regard.'

              • csimpson on 23/02/2020 - 16:29

                @[Deactivated]: Ah, another jab at me for no reason - your argument must definitely hold water if you feel like having a go at me is necessary.

                You don't even know how Toyota's hybrid system works if you think it will discharge the battery completely during towing and leave you down on power. You don't have any experience to back up your claims. Go do some more reading.

                • [Deactivated] on 23/02/2020 - 16:36

                  @csimpson: There's not point in arguing with you when you don't actually have an argument. Nothing to back up your BS and you just base your entire post, weeks after this thread happened, off one comment, without reading the prior more detailed posts. I'm not going to bother replying to you.

                  • csimpson on 23/02/2020 - 16:53

                    @[Deactivated]: Up to you if you don't want to "argue" - you're the only one of the two of us that thinks it's an argument! I've got the facts and my own experience on my side, you've got… what? Angry words and nothing else.

                    You can't provide a single bit of evidence that backs up your ridiculous assertion. You've also don't understand the system that you're arguing is useless. That's more than enough to convince me that your statement was wrong, and that you know it.

  • PlasticSpaceman on 11/02/2020 - 08:58
    +2

    I was walking the dog this morning and what looked like a pretty new Wrangler pulled up beside me. The guy got out, muttering, opened and closed the rear passenger door a few times then pushed it some more then got back in. No doubt a faulty sensor. Reminded me of my mate who took one out for a test drive, and the rear vision mirror fell off and dropped to the floor under the brake pedal. He still bought it.

    • joshykins on 12/02/2020 - 10:14

      there's no accounting for….stupidity?

    • Scorn on 12/02/2020 - 21:00

      Controversial viewpoint I owned a Jeep for 5 years, no problems at all, turned heads and got lots of comments. I only sold due to large petrol billls. I would buy a Jeep again.

  • [Deactivated] on 11/02/2020 - 09:06

    My not be the most popular vehicle but I have heard good reports about the 3 liter Turbo Desiel, wonder what others think?

  • BigBirdy on 11/02/2020 - 15:28
    +6

    If Suzuki makes a Jimny version of this, I'm in …

    • joshykins on 12/02/2020 - 10:14

      the only correct option

    • spackbace on 11/02/2020 - 16:37
      +9

      2020 4X4 Of The Year 

      In February? 😂😂

      And this was what is was up against:

      JUDGES’ TOTAL SCORES

      Jeep Wrangler Rubicon: 246
      Suzuki Jimny: 244
      Land Rover Discovery Sd6: 238
      Nissan Navara N-Trek Warrior: 232
      SsangYong Musso XLV: 225
      Mitsubishi Triton: 224
      Mercedes-Benz X350d: 211

      Yeah…

      • pegaxs on 11/02/2020 - 16:43
        +5

        And it was pitted against some of the worst of the worst vehicles in its category… Merc. Benz, SSangyong and Land Rover to name a few…

        • spackbace on 11/02/2020 - 16:45
          +8

          Yep, and purely off-road, nothing about bitumen driving, cost of ownership, reliability etc.

          For 2 points difference, I'd take the Jimny any day of the week

          • pegaxs on 11/02/2020 - 16:45
            +7

            @spackbace: Hell, for 20 points less, I would take a Triton, thank you very much…

            Jeep Wrangler sales figures for Jan 2020: 91 units Aust. wide.

            Toyota Hilux sales figures for Jan 2020: 2968 units…

            Wrangler, 4x4 of the year!!!

            The total of Jeeps sold in Jan outsold LDV by… *drumroll.mp3* 3 units.

              • pegaxs on 11/02/2020 - 22:38
                +6

                @[Deactivated]: Are you suggesting that the reason that Jeep only sold 91 Wranglers and Toyota sold almost 3000 Hilux’s was because of Jeep’s “supply issue”?

                Lol. Pull the other one, champ.

                The reason Jeep only sold about 350 total units across their entire range for the month of January this year is totally because of demand, or should I say, the total lack of it.

                Toyota have a “supply” issue because of “demand” (RAV4 is a great example of this.) Jeep has no such issues, because, let’s face it, they are shitboxes that not many people want.

                Anyway, you can go back on my hidden commentators list with your silly, troll comments.

                • [Deactivated] on 11/02/2020 - 23:05
                  -2

                  @pegaxs: Yes, all Jeeps are crap, and the Wrangler just won 4*4 of the year because it’s crap.

                  • pegaxs on 11/02/2020 - 23:13
                    +2

                    @[Deactivated]:

                    JeeP wRaNgLeR wOn 4x4 oF tHe YeAr.

                    Did you even read the thread? Did you even read what it was compared against? And it was from one of the most irrelevant sources anyone could find.

                    When I want an uneducated teachers opinion on the automotive industry, I’ll ask for it.

                    And remember, you only get 5 of those butthurt tickets a day…

                    • [Deactivated] on 11/02/2020 - 23:31
                      -2

                      @pegaxs: So I’m an uneducated teacher apparently, who is on your ignore list, (but you still reply to), and despite the fact that you think that a forum requires you to ask specific questions, you still feel the need to reply to my responses. Your closed mindset only compounds your ignorance. The new Wrangler is obviously one of the best off-road vehicles available off the showroom floor, but that doesn’t matter, because some troll thinks his opinion about Jeeps being shit actually matters. It doesn’t. I enjoy reading your posts, they are so mind numbingly wrong that they’re great for a belly laugh. Keep me entertained, specifically why do you think the new Wrangler is a bad car, and specially which 4*4s are better? Because G Class aside, I can’t think of anything as capable as Rubicon Wrangler off the floor? And tell me what you think a good car is, so I can steer we’ll clear of it.

                      • Euphemistic on 12/02/2020 - 05:42

                        @[Deactivated]:

                        The new Wrangler is obviously one of the best off-road vehicles available off the showroom floor

                        When compared only against other new models. The whole comparison is flawed because they don’t even look at existing vehicles that didn’t have a significant update since last year. So if the car that won the segment last year hasn’t changed, it wasn’t compared to the Jeep.

                        • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2020 - 07:06
                          -2

                          @Euphemistic: Name one vehicle on sale today in Australia that is better off-road than a Wrangler Rubicon off the showroom floor. I can’t think of any others with front and rear diffs, let alone disconnectable sway bars.

                          • Euphemistic on 12/02/2020 - 07:52
                            +1

                            @[Deactivated]: Never said is wasn’t a good 4wd, only that the testing criteria is flawed. They haven’t tested it against all, or even most, other available models. that means it might not be the best.

                            ‘My ute is the best sports car I’ve tested this year’. But I’ve only driven the ute and nothing else.

                            • pegaxs on 12/02/2020 - 08:12
                              +1

                              @Euphemistic: What it should have been called is “The best of all the shit-tier, D grade 4x4’s”

                              I can’t take a “Anything of the year” award seriously if they include Ssangyong, let alone Land Rover and Jeep.

                              And the reason they didn’t test it against anything else was because it would have its arse kicked by mainstream models, and there is a really high possibility that Ford, Toyota, Isuzu, VW and Mitsubishi told them to go (fropanity) themselves when they asked for a test vehicle.

                              Christ, I would buy a Holden Colorado over a Jeep anything, and Holden might not even be around this time next year…

                            • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2020 - 14:02
                              -1

                              @Euphemistic: It wasn’t a hard question to answer.

                              • Euphemistic on 12/02/2020 - 17:09

                                @[Deactivated]: I’ll say it’s the Jeep just because it’s what you think.

                                • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2020 - 17:42
                                  -2

                                  @Euphemistic: That’s not answering the question and it’s not what I want. Tell me one car as competent off road as a Wrangler Rubicon off the show room floor. You can’t because they don’t exist.

                                  • Euphemistic on 12/02/2020 - 18:06
                                    +1

                                    @[Deactivated]: No, I can’t tell you because you won’t listen to reason.

                                    The other reason is because I haven’t researched current 4x4 vehicles. There’s no point doing that because I can’t afford one. I suspect a land cruiser would do pretty well, but it hasn’t got live axles so you’d think it’s rubbish anyway.

                                    • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2020 - 18:19
                                      -1

                                      @Euphemistic: A stock Landcruiser isn’t even the the wheelhouse of a Rubicon Wrangler in off-road ability. It doesn’t have the clearance or diffs for a start. You can modify one to get up there, but that’s going to cost you $$$. But you wouldn’t understand that. This isn’t your area of expertise, but you’re happy to give your opinion regardless.

                                      • pegaxs on 12/02/2020 - 18:25

                                        @[Deactivated]:

                                        This isn’t your area of expertise

                                        Says the Tesla driving school teacher… Lol.

                                      • Euphemistic on 12/02/2020 - 18:34

                                        @[Deactivated]: You just proved there was no point making another suggestion. The Jeep wasn’t tested against anything like competition - except maybe the Jimny and it got close - very close. No landcruiser in the test, you can’t aay it wouldn’t perform as well as the Jeep, because it wasn’t tested. The disco came close too.

                                        They also failed to test it against last years winner - which by your reckoning is probably rubbish.

                                      • spackbace on 12/02/2020 - 18:59
                                        +2

                                        @[Deactivated]: The Jimny doesn't have diff-locks, and runs on a basic system with 2H-4H-4L, simple as that, yet was only 2 points behind the Wrangler. And it's only powered by a 1.5L with a 4-speed box.

                                        Don't need diff locks, dis-connectable sway bars etc to earn points in this test apparently.

                                        If feature lists are all that's needed for this, then yes a Prado with full-time 4WD, centre and rear diff-locks should score more points than the Jimny.

                                        You always whinge about power and torque, and now 4WD features to prove a point. The fact that Jimny was 2 points behind the Wrangler in these tests show either the tests are flawed, and should test more features, or your thought process was flawed.

                                        Either way, the Wrangler winning this shows there's something wrong, or they haven't compared against enough cars.

                                  • Hybroid on 12/02/2020 - 18:27

                                    @[Deactivated]:

                                    Tell me one car as competent off road as a Wrangler Rubicon off the show room floor. You can’t because they don’t exist.

                                    G-wagon for sure! Pajero's pretty capable I suppose if you dont mind a decade old unchanged model. Beyond that, don't think there's many options unfortunately.

                                    • Hackney on 12/02/2020 - 18:44

                                      @Hybroid: Yup,it is a very,very capable off roader, as good as a Landcruiser trooper.Very basic,but it gets things done.It is one of the best out there.Jeep did quite a good job on this thing.(Car advice has a very good comparo on it,last year.)How reliable it will be or durable up against the likes of Toyota remains to be seen.Saw a few of them up @ Fraser Island last year.Guys who owned them seem quite happy with them.Nothing fancy about them,but in a vehicle like this you don’t need all the tech.(Now watch the haters come out of the “wood work”.)

              • spackbace on 12/02/2020 - 01:35
                +1

                @[Deactivated]: There's a reason that CJD dealerships closed and/or minimised their presence.

                I don't know which franchise would be worse to own right now, Holden or CJD 😂

                • [Deactivated] on 12/02/2020 - 07:09

                  @spackbace: For sure. Jeep sells some shit cars. This isn’t one of them. But they’ve all been tarred with the same brush. Then you get academic giants like pegaxs who have an unnatural and unnerving hate for the brand because of some bad publicity, who immediately revert to personal attacks at the mere suggestion that some of the models have merit.

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