Rate My PC Build

mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 14:22
Last edited 24/01/2020 - 17:11

I'm interested in feedback regarding this PC build.

I'm trying to keep it under $2000
price is the MSY Price
MB MSI X570-A PRO $249.00
CPU AMD Ryzen7 3700X $499.00
RAM 16G Kit (8Gx2) 3200 Corsair Vengeance LPX $139.00
PSU Coolermaster MWE Gold 750W Modular $135.00
CASE Corsair Carbide Mid Tower 275R Black Windowed $109.00
SSD Intel 660P M.2 1TB $179.00
GPU 8GB RX 5700 MSI MECH $580.00
Total: $1,890.00

edit:
I can get the AMD Ryzen 7 3700X for $485 at Amazon
RAM for $117 at Amazon if I choose white heatsink.

People have also pointed out I can save by going for a bronze semi-modular PSU instead of a fully modular Gold PSU.

That brings the price down to $1855

I can save another $10 by going to Crucial M.2 P1 for $169

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Comments

  • Okayy on 24/01/2020 - 14:26

    looks great

  • Ryanek on 24/01/2020 - 14:35
    +2

    Yes for Team Red. I'm digging it.

  • netjock on 24/01/2020 - 14:36
    +12

    10/10 for hitting budget
    5/10 for being financial responsible

    • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 14:39

      What would you recommend to prevent my wife from killing me?

      • pegaxs on 24/01/2020 - 14:41
        +27

        Getting a new wife.

      • Hithere on 24/01/2020 - 14:49
        +9

        Kill her first

      • scrimshaw on 24/01/2020 - 14:53
        +4

        Buy her a Groupon dinner while you stay at home and build your PC. But when she comes back quickly hide your gaming rig in your mancave.

        Or build a second rig for jolly cooperation.

      • Taro Milk Tea on 24/01/2020 - 15:40
        +1

        says this comes with a free LV bag

  • MS Paint on 24/01/2020 - 14:37
    +1

    Basic straightforward build.

    Looks good to me.

  • DarthAntz on 24/01/2020 - 14:38
    +1

    You ram is $20 cheaper on amazon.com.au

    • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 14:45

      That's weird.
      When I clicked your link it came up with Price: $134.47
      How does that work?

      • spackbace on 24/01/2020 - 14:54
        +1

        White, 16GB, 3200MHz Vengeance LPX - $117.69

        If you want a white/black build :)

        • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 16:59
          +11

          If it's going to save me $20, the heatsink could be hot pink for all I care.

      • DarthAntz on 24/01/2020 - 15:51

        Thanks @spacebace.
        Im overseas, so that's price manipulation at work. It shows the reverse for me, black is cheaper than white.
        You've got a great build there.
        As the other posts, you can save money on the case and PSU reasonably. Depends what you're upgrading from, a Ryzen 3600 might be fulfilling enough.

        I've had a few games hit 9gigs of video ram on my 1080ti, but otherwise gaming at 120hz in 1080p can be more enjoyable. depends on the pace of the game. You could probably take some other recommendations on an alternative GPU.

  • pegaxs on 24/01/2020 - 14:40
    +3

    3/10 until I know how many FPS it goes in Minecraft…

    • NatoTomato on 24/01/2020 - 15:12

      Probably like… 40. If he's lucky.

      Edit: Not a hit against his build. A hit against Minecraft's optimisation.

  • Bid Sniper on 24/01/2020 - 14:55

    Why full ATX and not mATX and go Corsair Crystal Series 280X case.

    PSU

    https://www.pccasegear.com/products/41916/corsair-cx650m-bro…

    • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 15:14

      Probably because I wasn't sure if the GPU would fit.

      I'm actually wanting the build to be a little cheaper rather than more expensive.

      Corsair CC-9011086-WW Carbide Series 88R Windowed mATX looks pretty nice and is $69 on Amazon.

      Alternatively, MSY sell the Corsair Carbide Mid Tower 100R for $79, though I'm not sure if that's the silent edition or not.

      I'd much prefer my build to be quiet than have LEDs.

    • AdosHouse on 24/01/2020 - 15:24
      +1

      I would take the Gold and full modular PSU ove the Corsair CX series PSU.

      I personally would shell out a few more dollars and get something along the lines of a EVGA G3, or a Seasonic or Silverstone, gold rated PSU.

  • virtuousdee on 24/01/2020 - 15:13
    +1

    I'm just worried about the SSD as it uses QLC which are less durable than TLC and MLC. Still good SSD though.

    Maybe get a RTX 2060 Super for an extra $100 as well as it draws less power and 10% better as well.

    • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 15:22

      What M.2 drive would you recommend? MSY have two categories: "M.2 NVMe" and "M.2" and I don't know which is better.

      Going down the route of Nvidia would also mean a G-Sync monitor which are hundreds of $ more compared to the Freesync monitors. I was hoping to save a bit when I upgrade my monitor.

      • playswithfire on 24/01/2020 - 16:14
        +2

        m.2 has a transfer speed of around 550MB/s

        m.2 nVME has a transfer speed of 3-7 times faster. my 970 pro nVME drive is allegedly 3500MB/s transfer speed.

        of course you won't very often be able to utilise that but it's better to have it and not need it than the reverse.

      • scrimshaw on 24/01/2020 - 16:38
        +2

        M.2 just describes the physical slot / the interface, NVME refers to the 'interface protocol' used by very fast SSD's.

        When buying an SSD's with a M.2 interface, take note that they can come in either NVME or SATA variants. The cheaper, bang-for-your-buck SSD's tend to be using SATA protocols, while the costlier SSD's are usually NVME drives.

        Most people don't need NVME drives — your OS will boot plenty fast on a SATA type SSD. The extra speed of nVME will only be beneficial if you regularly transfer large files, or if you want to use it as a scratch disk for Adobe applications.

      • pinchies on 24/01/2020 - 16:59
        +2

        I disagree - I noticed a speed increase going from M.2 SATA to M.2 NVME, especially noticiably in loading large games (e.g. ARK). Still, the value is significantly better for SATA drives. I definitely would not pay more for a "premium" brand SATA SSD (e.g. Samsung 850 Pro) over a cheap brand NVME (E.g. Intel QLC 660p).

        • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 17:24
          +1

          Kingston A2000 NVMe M.2 1TB uses TLC and is $179

          • pinchies on 24/01/2020 - 17:30

            @mranderson978: I don't like kingston, but two thumbs up for value from me!

            • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 17:36
              +1

              @pinchies: When we compare the A2000 to its main competition, Intel's 660P, the A2000 beats it easily on every front. Not only does the A2000 deliver far superior performance to Intel's 660P, it does so for the same price. Additionally, Kingston's A2000 at 1TB is rated for 3x the endurance of Intel's 660P 1TB. That alone is reason enough to choose the A2000 over the 660P. In the end it is user experience that really matters and Kingston's A2000 is serving it up exceptionally well at an exceptional price point.

              Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9203/kingston-a2000-1tb-nv…

      • dimitryp on 25/01/2020 - 10:06
        +2

        as of about 6months back, Nvidia cards are now compatible with all FreeSync monitors, so dont have to go GSync!

        • mranderson978 on 27/01/2020 - 08:41

          I didn't know this. I did a bit of Googling, and it seems that 90% of FreeSync monitors work flawlessly, despite what Nvidia say.

          This is great news!

    • So lo on 24/01/2020 - 22:20

      RTX2060 KO is a 2080 in a 2060's clothes. Do iiiiit

      Check Gamers Nexus YouTube for details.

  • david6509 on 24/01/2020 - 15:13

    Im trying to a build also under 2k but looks like its going to blow over that lol

    • david6509 on 24/01/2020 - 15:23

      AMD Ryzen 9 3900X, 12 Core Socket AM4, 3.8GHz CPU Processor, 4MB, 105W $586

      Gigabyte AMD X570 AORUS PRO WIFI Motherboard $363

      Gigabyte NVIDIA RTX 2070 SUPER GeForce AORUS 8GB $634

      G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16GB (2x8GB) 3600MHz DDR4 Ram $205

      Samsung 1TB 970 EVO Plus M.2 NVMe SSD $261

      Cooler Master MWE Gold 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply $135

      Corsair iCUE 220T Tempered Glass RGB Mid Tower ATX Case - Black $139

      Total $2323

      • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 15:29

        Check out Jugsy's link below. You might be able to save on the PSU and a bit by sourcing from different stores.

      • mranderson978 on 27/01/2020 - 08:44

        I looked up the benchmarks for that CPU. It's an absolute beast. It runs hot though. You'll either have a noisy build or you'll need water cooling.

  • ONEMariachi on 24/01/2020 - 15:16
    +4

    Are you uising the x570 motherboard so you can upgrade you GPU later? If not, better off getting something like a Tomahawk Max for $190, and getting a better GPU. For $580 as well, you can easily get a 5700xt at that price on sale from elsewhere. Hell for $650 on sale, you can get a 2070super.

    • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 16:03

      It was my understanding that the x570 was designed for the 3700x CPU.

      Will using the B450 affect performance?

      • ONEMariachi on 24/01/2020 - 18:04
        +1

        Nah it won't affect performance at all. The only advantage really for a x570 board is PCIE 4. Which honestly, I wouldn't bother with it unless you mean to upgrade your GPU in the next 12-18 months.

        If I was you, I'd build something like this personally. This is something I built for my best mate. Will easily net you 30% better performance for the same price.

        https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/PwB8jp

        I've marked manual prices for what you should wait for with sales. Buying those aprts for more than that is wasting money. It also seems like a massive waste pairing a 3700x with a 5700. The 2070Super I chose is just a placeholder. Pretty much choose any that hits under $700- happens regularly.

        What's your main usage for this pc btw. I'm assuming you're choosing the 3700x over the 3600 for a reason? If it is gaming only, the 3600 is the exact same gaming performance.

        EDIT; Just saw your actual $1890 price instead of the under $2000. If you want to go cheaper. Swap the 2070 Super for a 5700xt- which you can easily get on sale for $550 or under and drop that price by another $150 https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/YXDDJb
        The Adata SSD will shit on the performance of the Intel btw. It makes a big difference.

        • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 18:46

          Well actually, I have half a mind to put an Nvidia 1060 6GB in the machine and wait a year before upgrading the GPU.

          That PC Part Picker website is cool, but shopping express has expensive shipping unless there's something I don't know about.

          The Kingston A2000 is also way better than the Intel M.2 for exactly the same price.

          • ONEMariachi on 24/01/2020 - 18:52

            @mranderson978: Oh, the vendors on there are not something to care about, i didnt even consider those. Those are just the parts to choose, use Ozbargain for looking for prices at the right time. Most of the time it will be ebay, and free shipping with ebay plus- or Amazon.

      • idjces on 24/01/2020 - 20:28
        +1

        Another vote here for the x470 (or b450). I think PCIe 4.0 adds more issues than it solves, at this point in time (it's still too new, chips run stupidly hot).

        By the time PCIe 4.0 is mainstream, you'll be upgrading some (or all) components anyway.

  • jugsy on 24/01/2020 - 15:21
    +1

    It's not a bad build, but I feel like you could squeeze in a slightly nicer GPU for a close to $2k build.

    I haven't put all that much thought in to this but here's a quick e.g. of what I'd go for with this budget:
    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/449fhg

    • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 15:27

      Your build comes in at $2351.67

      If anything, I'd like to shave a few dollars off my build.

      That website is awesome by the way! How did I not know about it?

      • djkelly69 on 24/01/2020 - 15:50
        +1

        Try au.pcpartpicker.com

  • djkelly69 on 24/01/2020 - 15:24
    +4

    Decent, but IMHO:

    • Mobo and PSU are probably overkill
    • RAM can be had cheaper
    • GPU I would be aiming for an XT at that price (think the XT version of that card has been as low as ~$550 on here)
  • frondono on 24/01/2020 - 15:31
    +2

    When I built a computer recently it was far cheaper for components on Ebay, using Ebay Plus and the 20% off sales. I got the 5700 xt gaming x for $599.20.
    You will be able to get a pcie 3.0 ssd for that sort of money.

  • zombrex on 24/01/2020 - 15:32
    +1

    I would go with a smaller but higher quality SSD.
    500GB samsung 970 evo:

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/500GB-Samsung-970-Evo-PLUS-M-2-P…

    $161 with code "prepare" and you can claim an additional $16 cashback.

    • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 16:16

      Thanks, but I really want a 1TB drive. Which 1TB drive would you recommend?

  • Fergy1987 on 24/01/2020 - 16:12
    +2

    Id get a smaller PSU and use the savings to get the 5700XT

    • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 16:15

      Yeah, I might have gone a bit overboard on the PSU.
      Which PSU would you recommend?

      • Fergy1987 on 24/01/2020 - 16:31

        I love a Seasonic, Maybe like a Focus Gold 550W - Im not too sure on the power requirements of the CPU

        I mean if you can save and lower the wattage on the CoolerMaster - just do that, still a good PSU

        • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 16:56
          +1

          Corsair 80+ Bronze Semi-Modular CX 650W is $114

          I'm not sure about running the rig with a 550W PSU, though it might be ok.

          • frondono on 24/01/2020 - 17:28

            @mranderson978: I got a 650w gold and in win 305 case from ebay for $135.20 with ebay plus and 20% off. Had to buy fans though, probably easier buying a different case that comes with fans installed.

  • playswithfire on 24/01/2020 - 16:25
    +1

    Looks like a decent build.

    I adjusted a couple of things, using the PCCG website - swapped in an nvidia GPU because I've had much better results with them than the AMD cards. I prefer PCCG and Scorptec to MSY because MSY's website is terrible and their warranty support is absolutely terrible, whereas PCCG have always been great for warranty returns. I'd rather spend an extra $100 for that.

    https://www.pccasegear.com/sc/imx

    • mranderson978 on 24/01/2020 - 16:35

      Thanks.
      I know some people have had bad experiences with MSY. They've always been super helpful for me and they're just down the road.

      • playswithfire on 24/01/2020 - 16:57
        +2

        I'm one of those! Had a DOA motherboard that I returned 2 days later and they tried to refuse to exchange it for me, but I stood by my consumer rights under the ACL. Then my new graphics card kept freezing the whole system when playing games, and again, they tried to refuse to exchange it for me.

  • Baa on 24/01/2020 - 17:48

    Build look good but I would also go smaller where possible.

    After years of having a full tower I moved to a smaller build recently, looks much cuter and the computer space looks neater.

    This is what I am using (not the budget option):

    https://www.pccasegear.com/products/39948/fractal-design-def…

    I have a 1070 sitting in there quite comfortably.

    • arsey on 25/01/2020 - 12:04

      OP's pick is much smaller than a full tower though.
      I'd stick with a mid-tower like the OP's or the Define C, which is barely bigger than yours (41mm in taller, same in other dimensions)

  • ribze1 on 25/01/2020 - 11:06
    +1

    I bought a Corsair RM750 — 750 Watt 80 PLUS® Gold Certified Fully Modular PSU in December, ridiculously quiet even under load.
    10 year warranty!!!
    $172 @ MSY

    My 5 year old Coolermaster died (slowly then completely) and caused alot of headaches.

    I can tell you having taken out a semi modular and installed a fully modular it was so much easier being fully modular.

    • Slippery Otter on 25/01/2020 - 12:32

      I have the RM550x - 550 Watt version and the fan doesn't activate until I start gaming! best PSU ever!!

      • ribze1 on 26/01/2020 - 11:17

        Even gaming i barely hear it, my case fans are louder

  • OzzyOzbourne on 25/01/2020 - 11:41
    +1

    Can it run Crysis?

  • capslock janitor on 25/01/2020 - 13:42
    -1

    get a gold semi PSU - seasonic is my goto

  • Jugganautx on 25/01/2020 - 18:24

    PC Nerds Unite 🖖

  • p1 ama on 25/01/2020 - 20:07

    I'd just go with this:

    PCPartPicker Part List: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/TdjYL2

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($739.00 @ Shopping Express)
    Motherboard: Asus PRIME B450-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($149.00 @ Centre Com)
    Memory: Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($103.00 @ Amazon Australia)
    Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($174.00 @ Shopping Express)
    Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB MECH OC Video Card ($599.00 @ Shopping Express)
    Case: Phanteks P300 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.00 @ PCCaseGear)
    Power Supply: Cooler Master MasterWatt 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($98.00 @ Shopping Express)
    Total: $1951.00
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-25 20:05 AEDT+1100

    Optimised things a bit better, but you get a 3900X + 5700XT in your rig. Personally, I'd say that at $1000, I'd go with a 3600 + 1660 Super, at $1500, I'd go with a 3700X + 2060/5600 XT, at $2000, I'd go with a 3900X + 5700XT. Your config right now is basically a ~$1500 system IMO.

  • techlead on 25/01/2020 - 20:28
    +2

    What's the purpose of this build? It's hard to rate it without knowing what it will be used for.

  • Scorpus on 26/01/2020 - 00:57
    +10

    Tim here from Hardware Unboxed. We test PC components on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/hardwareunboxednow

    Hard to know exactly what to recommend without knowing what your PC's use case is.

    My main goal would be trying to upgrade your GPU from an RX 5700 to an RX 5700 XT.

    1) Swap the X570-A Pro for the B450 Tomahawk Max or the B450M Mortar Max. You don't need X570 unless you need PCIe 4.0, which most people don't need. The X570-A Pro is also one of the worst X570 boards, the Asus Prime X570-P is a much better budget board, but even then, get a B450 board. The Tomahawk models in particular are really well suited to upgrades if you decide you want a higher end CPU down the line

    2) The Ryzen 7 3700X is decent, but it's also overkill for most gaming rigs. Even if you game at 1080p, there is almost no difference between the 3700X and the Ryzen 5 3600, especially with an RX 5700 series GPU. You can save several hundred dollars downgrading to the 3600 for nearly no performance loss in games. The only time I'd recommend the 3700X is if you need to run workstation applications (video encoding, 3D modelling/encoding, compiling) or if you want to stream and game on the same system

    Those two things would easily save you $200 or so, which could be put into the RX 5700 XT upgrade and still have a saving overall.

    I wouldn't bother with the RTX 2070 Super though. It's more expensive than the RX 5700 XT and around the same level of performance

    • Mainsail on 26/01/2020 - 07:50
      +1

      Good to see a respected Youtuber on the forums.

    • [Deactivated] on 26/01/2020 - 10:42

      Nice. Also love your videos.
      Very helpful!

      Thx

    • frondono on 26/01/2020 - 11:36

      Watched a few of your vids when buying my 5700 xt.

    • [Deactivated] on 26/01/2020 - 23:04

      I have an X570-A Pro. This guy is right in some respects, but wrong in others. It's the cheapest board with USB C and 2 M2 SSD slots, which is why I bought it. But it's rubbish for overclocking, I can't overclock my ram at all on this board (but it could be that despite my Ram being the same brand and speed, they are actually made by 2 different companies. I have 32gb which I bought separately in two sets of 16gb). I can only overclock my 3600X to about 4.3ghz on all cores (and it's not a temp issue, I've undervolted too). I think its a motherboard issue, so if you want to overclock a lot, then this isn't the motherboard for you. If you don't mind a mild overclock, and want full features, then this is for you.

    • mranderson978 on 27/01/2020 - 10:10

      Thanks for the advice regarding motherboard.

      Having thought about it more, I'm going to make do with a GTX 1060 6GB until the next generation of cards comes out.

      • [Deactivated] on 27/01/2020 - 11:53
        +1

        2021

        • mranderson978 on 27/01/2020 - 14:30

          Optimistic!

          • [Deactivated] on 27/01/2020 - 20:17

            @mranderson978: Lol. Being serious.

            I think new gen nvidia cards expected 2nd/3rd quarter this year. So realistically we could expect it to hit stores at a reasonable price 6 months later.

            I'm also putting together a build and thinking of making do with something like GTX 1060 until we know what next gen offers (But I don't need a GPU right now but might be doing GPU intensive data analysis second half of this year so can wait till then(.

            • mranderson978 on 30/01/2020 - 08:21

              @[Deactivated]: They usually release something around March/April or August/September.

              For example, the 1080Ti was released in March 2017
              The 1060 was April

              The GTX950 was August and the GTX970/980 was September 2014

              The GTX 1660 was released in March 2019, the Ti edition was released in late Feb.

              Even the 2080 series was kicked off in September 2018.

              This is why I'm expecting the 2660 to be released in March/April. (Assuming the stick with their historic naming convention)

              If it gets pushed out to August/September, I'll be sad, but I'm still not locking myself into the previous gen 3 motherboard.

  • NotAnAudiophile on 26/01/2020 - 08:43
    +1

    I would agree with swapping out the cpu for Ryzen 5 3600 and putting it into 5700xt. I’m looking at a budget gaming build myself with the Ryzen 5 and 5600Xt. Too bad you didn’t build this a couple weeks ago, there were some good deals on 2070 supers which brought them down to almost the same price as 5700xt.

  • trevor99 on 26/01/2020 - 09:19

    I'd spend more on the case for longevity of components or at least buy extra fans.

  • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 26/01/2020 - 12:19

    Get a Ryzen 3600
    Get a good quality B450 board
    Get a Corsair CX series PSU
    Get a better case (highly recommend Fractal)
    GPU will depend entirely on your monitor. 1080p? Get a 5700XT. 2k or 4k? Get a 2070 Super.

    • WillKillfor5Cents on 26/01/2020 - 14:19

      that feel when you found out your mobo is Tier 4 :(

    • [Deactivated] on 27/01/2020 - 11:54

      B3fiddy boards ok

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