Hi all,
Was thinking about going away for 7-10 days this August with the wife and baby (who will be 10 months old come August)
Can anyone recommend any good warm weather destinations? Preferably in Australia (flying from Adelaide)
I also have almost 400k in Velocity points which I was thinking I could use so we can fly business class (flying is the aspect I'm most dreading re; travel with a baby)
Thanks :)
Want that hot beach weather though
But it's ok to subject economy passengers?
Yes
If you sit at the back of the plane it's better because of the way sound travels to your ears. Less people will be disturbed.
Curious to know how many kids you have?
I have one, they're almost 4.
I don't think subjecting any passengers is right but more expected in economy than business/first.
My child is not someone else's problem and they shouldn't have to listen or tolerate my child if they're upset or frustrated. In all other environments I can remove the child from the situation but on a plane that's not possible.
Regarding a valid ticket, babies don't tend to have a ticket they travel free on parent's lap.
I have nothing against kids but parents often forget that the kids are theirs, nobody else's.
Absolute twaddle
@Heracles26: Why?
The reason you want to fly business is likely to give yourselves more room with the baby, perhaps a little more comfort and less stress. Certainly, to avoid being so cramped, particularly if the child doesn't cope well with the flight.
Whilst understandable, by doing so you're removing those precise benefits for others who have bought business tickets, if the child is distressed.
You're decision in doing this is as entitled and selfish as others are making out my opinion to be.
@o53djz7qTPY4der: Everyone is entitled to travel the way and the class they want to. No one is subjecting any person on any one - atleast not anymore than anyone already does.
I you want to be that privileged, charter a flight and don't fly be in a commercial/public space
@o53djz7qTPY4der: You're purchasing a seat in the business class section, with the accompanying services. You're not purchasing rights to a no baby environment. Crazy amounts of entitlement. Go hire a private jet.
@o53djz7qTPY4der: Business has a lower density of people, so flying business class subjects less other people to baby-related disturbance, and therefore is the greater good.
@Xiongmao: On what basis are you saying that babies are more expected to travel in economy? If by sheer volume, yes there are more people and likely babies in economy, but I'm sure business and first class passengers too have babies.
A parent not being responsible for their child is one thing, but to say they should travel in economy is a bit rich. What about other passengers that don't conform to what you think is classy enough for business and first?
And just to confirm, in the hypothetical (maybe real) situation that you could afford to travel in business/first with baby (without financial compromise to other things), you would choose to sit yourself in economy?
We do not have kids but I totally disagree to your views re: baby. We regularly fly First or Business and they are entitled to be in whatever cabin they have a valid ticket. If you do not like it, fly private. After all, flying is in effect public transport.
We regularly fly First or Business
I am a firm believer of putting babies in First and Business except when I am in Business (which is once in a decade). Better for the wank3rs in business and first to get annoyed than the majority of people on the plane who are in Economy.
We regularly fly First or Business and they are entitled to be in whatever cabin they have a valid ticket.
Clearly you haven't paid out of your own pocket and had a screaming kid next to you for 8+ hours or a parent who believes its 'someone elses' problem to deal with why the kid runs up and down the isles.
You, my friend, have hit the nail on the head.
I'm getting hammered for being inconsiderate to a baby yet nobody mentions the entitlement of saying "babies are babies, too bad too sad, we're sitting in business".
@o53djz7qTPY4der: I think you're getting hammered because you're making a bold statement about how babies should be put into economy only.
Parent's attitude about how their child acts/reacts and what they allow them to do in the plane is a different topic.
@JimmyF:
It's a bit rich to state they don't pay for their own ticket. I assume you're making a judgement on their financial or flight class choices without even knowing their background or circumstance.
Babies will cry…. Babies will cry wherever they are and granted some parents will ignore it and others wont, and others will try to calm the child and so on, but to imply that all parents in business class have the outlook for their child as you have stated is baseless.
It's a bit rich to state they don't pay for their own ticket
I never said they didn't pay for it. I said I'm guessing they have never forked out say $5k for a business class ticket and had a screaming kid next to them for 8+ hrs. Lucky for them if they haven't so far.
Maybe after you spent $5k of your OWN money for a business class flight, with a lie flat bed hoping to get some sleep but then end up getting a screaming kid next to you, so you don't get any sleep, you might change your mind.
Clearly the the poster I was replying to has been lucky and hasn't had this experience yet.
Babies will cry…. Babies will cry wherever they are and granted some parents will ignore it and others wont, and others will try to calm the child and so on, but to imply that all parents in business class have the outlook for their child as you have stated is baseless.
True its mostly up to the parent, but sadly more so these days, the 'parents' in business class, think it comes with 'baby minding service' as part of the ticket price and expect the cabin crew to mind their kids why they try to get some sleep or watch a movie.
I find a lot of these are using points to upgrade, so want to enjoy the business features without the burden of looking after their kids.
@JimmyF: Acknowledge your clarification of your comments - at least the way I read your comment implied the earlier poster hadn't/didn't pay for their ticket out of their own pocket which is where my response was focused.
That said, they haven't said they have not experienced children/baby travellers, but their opinion was (if I interpret correctly) that they had right to be there too.
Also, agree with parents comments and that also extends to anyone (parents or not) that doesn't respect the environment they're in.
@JimmyF: Very judgmental with zero statistics to prove that "a lot of these are using points to upgrade" - very very very guess work.
Unless you work in yield management of an airline, I will disagree with you point in entirety.
very very very guess work.
and very very very guess work by you saying I'm wrong, do you have any stats to prove I'm wrong?
Clearly you don't fly in business as you can tell points upgrade people pretty easily :)
Unless you work in yield management of an airline, I will disagree with you point in entirety.
Same to you, Unless you work in yield management of an airline, I will disagree with you point in entirety. No proof, just hearsay that you're blaming me of doing.
LOL clearly you do not know me or my circumstances or how I paid (yep we have paid cash if you are wondering) for my long haul first class flights but that is really irrelevant for my argument.
The only argument that holds true here is that people whether they're old or young, big or small, are entitled to be in whatever cabin they have a ticket for. It is that simple, point proven, nothing more nothing less.
And here's the kicker, if a screaming baby annoys you then I'd suggest you watch videos on how to improve your emotional well-being, seriously. Believe it or not, the world does not owe you anything.
if a screaming baby annoys you then I'd suggest you watch videos on how to improve your emotional well-being
Oh get off it, screaming babies annoy everyone. Don't dribble crap.
lol disagree, in business class, only around 6 d*ckheads would have to listen to your kids screaming while in economy it would be like 15 people.
So yeah, subject the child to business class pax is better.
whats wrong of being a baby normal? abnormal dont cry and end up in OZB commenting such LOL
If the business class passenger wants seclusion they should fly by private jet. Travelling business class you are accepting a minimum standard that airlines provide and that standard is sitting near other passengers that can afford a seat in business class.
I remember flying back home from a four year posting in the Middle East with my 6 week old son. The company allowed for Business Class in those days but an anomaly meant it was cheaper to take a short cross border land journey and fly First Class than to fly Business from the point of origin. So we flew First on Emirates. I will never forget the look on the face of the only two other passengers in First Class when we boarded at Dubai with a six week old baby!It made the whole experience so much better seeing their puffed up entitlement collapse like a five day old birthday balloon. As many here will know at that very young age kids can be no problem flying at all and he barely made a noise all flight.
If anything, it is MORE appropriate to have the baby travel in business class as all business passengers are given noise cancelling headphones - economy passengers are not.
Noosa. You can fly direct to the Sunshine Coast on Jetstar. Might still be a bit cool in August though.
Yeah you'll need to head further north at that time of year for a beach holiday in my opinion. I'd suggest Port Douglas or Palm Cove.
+1 Port Douglas
Palm Cove. It's made for families. We took our 18 month old and it was perfect.
Every restaurant is very accommodating to young families with prams etc. They know their target market.
Fly to Cairns then grab a hire car and it's a ~40 min drive north of Cairns.
It's way less touristy and busy than Port Douglas, more families etc. There's 2 playgrounds (not that its overly exciting for a 10 month old) and lots of just chill out things to do.
With a hire car you can do all the fun things around Cairns as well like the chairlift and things like that.
+1 for Palm Cove. We stayed at Peppers I think - they had a sand beach in the pool so less worry about the 1yo falling into the pool (if they're crawling or walking yet).
We stayed on a budget at Oasis Palm Cove apartment with 2 bedrooms, kitchen, lounge! Was so good to have the kid in his own room :D It's not fancy but for the price the room was huge. Had its own pool and tiny playground as well. 5 min walk to the main strip was excellent.
I like how open ended question get its open ended answers :)
Go to Darwin, perfect time of year.
In domestic airline travel departing Adelaide you will most likely be in a 737 or A320. A baby crying in business class will be heard by economy passengers at the rear of the aircraft. I don't care where you sit. As long as you are attempting to comfort your infant there are no grounds for complaining.
BTW FNQ is the WTG.
BTW FNQ is the WTG.
Your use of acronyms is OMG LOL
I was on the toilet and my phone was ringing so I had to be quick.
TMI IYP
Cairns district. Cairns itself is genuinely fine, although if you want a little more upmarket go for Palm Cove or Port Douglas.
The price you will pay going Adelaide to Cairns, I am afraid you should consider Bali. August is great there, an area like Benoa with its quiet and clean beaches is perfect for holiday with a young child and you can hire a nanny for next to nothing to give yourselves a day or a night off. It's a 5 hour flight from Adelaide.
I know other people do this, but at 10month old vaccinations are not up to date for travelling overseas and babies put all sorts of things in their mouth. I would disagree on taking a child that young there.
well i guess as my son was born in the West Bank and raised for three years in Jakarta it is all relative. He was never sick. Fully vaccinated of course
We took our daughter to Thailand when she was 9 months and it was all good. Obviously anacdotal. However we did not raise her in an ultra sterile environment like some western parents so that might have contributed to her resilience. We did stay in good resorts etc.
One thing I'll say on Bali is that Zika is still a thing and thus Bali should probably still be avoided if you're intended for trying for another child in the following year. This has been our train of thought at least. But otherwise, we can't wait to do Bali more frequently - you can pretty much stay at a resort and have a super nice time. Otherwise, Palm Cove is great for relaxing.
Put a hat on the baby. The twits will savage your parenting skills otherwise.
No way I’d take a baby to Bali, yes I have been 12 times.
I'd suggest Gold Coast stay in Coolangatta. Or Sunshine Coast stay in Caloundra. Or FNQ stay in Palm Cove.
A 9mth old just wants to play in the sand and the park. Mum & dad just want to relax, go for a walk, play in the sand & park and go for a coffee.
Self contained apartment/airbnb is the way to go.
As for the flight. Your bub will be fine. Best tip we got was from a pilot, give them something to suck on (lollipops for older kids) during take-off & landing, as it helps equalise the pressure in their ears (which is why many kids cry). And they feed off their parents, so relax, dispite the comments here, most people aren't too concerned about bubs crying, as most people on the flight have had kids of their own.
We just booked a trip from Adelaide to Noosa in late July, when our kid will be 11 months. it's still going to be a lot warmer there, then in Adelaide. We decided to fly to Brisbane and drive to Noosa. Lot more direct flights to choose from and much better suited times. We'll use the rented car to drive around and visit some other things. Got a self catered suite, with a cafe downstairs.
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