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Pretty decent deal. 2 year warranty, aftermaket card. Given that 2080s are still in the $900+ range I'd be buying this in a heartbeat had I not bought a second hand 1080ti for a slightly more competitive price!
Happy gaming :P
[Refurbished] Gigabyte AORUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Video Card $649 + Delivery (Free Pickup) @ Mwave
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Your desktop must be powerful.
Powderful is how I would describe it — sorry couldn't hold myself.
Because it's a refurb.
It costs more than my car
Get a better car.
Rust buckets quick sell for $500
Source I sold one of mine
So damn tempting, I want to wait for the next gen GPU. But I also want to upgrade my GPU before Cyberpunk 2077.
What do I do @_@
Refurbished cards are very easy to get toasted again.
Alright, I'll keep telling myself that while I hold off till next gen!
The new cards will easily be $1000+ and won't likely be available till mid late next year. Its a no brainer for me!
AMD's next line is announced somewhere between the 6-10 of next month. Hopefully cards will be ready for release.
Or you could just buy a 2070 Super? I think you have the wrong idea about Turing performance.
If this is a supporting argument, I appreciate it.
In April, Windows 10 will provide support for VRS and mesh shaders, which should put Turing over the top of Pascal, and the 2070 Super over the 1080ti in most DX12 scenarios going forward.
I recognise that this is a better standard of card, but it's 3.5 year old tech at this point (with a few microarchitecture tweaks).
If you're using a lesser Pascal card and feeling the itch, wait 6 months for next-gen and buy in. For everyone else, you really should be looking at Turing and Navi.
I looked at the 2080ti and couldn't justify the upgrade. I haven't seen anything that would make me want to upgrade at this point.
@voltagex: Yup, totally understand, it was a different beast entirely to the 1080Ti in terms of launch timing and die size. Next-gen will be the upgrade for Pascal users.
2-3 gens should be the general rule of thumb, though I can see some Turing users leaping to next-gen for the extra raytracing performance (and the silicon process leap is huge).
@jasswolf: Issue is the price, I simply can't see Nvidia launching with a price better than their 20xx cards, even if Amd are coming to the party next year. They just have too large a monopoly to provide cards which are <$800 Australian
@[Deactivated]: The density gains are more the double, and wafer cost should be less than double at this point, so they will be cheaper with a huge performance bump.
AMD will compete with rasterisation, but the preliminary info on their raytracing solution suggests it won't be a more dedicated solution like NVIDIA, which works fine for their typical R&D budget and process, but means rDNA 2 and the consoles will lag behind NVIDIA at the top-end.
Generally correct, but the exceptions are if you are wanting to set up SLI with a current card, or wanting to water cool using cheaper full board blocks (generally are on clearance now).
@ozbking: I would have thought the 2070 Super would have an advantage with NVLink on the SLI side of things?
SLI is basically unsupported at this point anyway, as the goal seems to be moving over to MCM models for GPUs, maybe scaling up to a fancy interconnect if required (likely only in a server environment).
@jasswolf: I mean for people with an existing 1080 Ti card. No point getting 2 of these now, other than for aesthetics / water cooling.
Fair point but I'm not planning to move from Windows 7 just yet so no advantage for me.
@LauralHardy: Win 7 is literally weeks from being sunset, and AFAIK they made a version of DX12 for it, so yes, there is an advantage.
That's also an absurd reasoning for a GPU purchase.
Me thinks you might want to read up some more about W10 and its telemetry versus W7 instead of clinging to the same paranoia that existed at launch.
These new API features will not just improve graphics power, but also graphics quality as developers will sometimes use it for me complex scenes, not just more frames.
@jasswolf: Lol, they have been trying to sunset W7 for about 5 years!! It wont die..
Me thinks you may want to wind it back in a bit; W10 is not stable, it changes and makes changes without the users explicit authorisation. I'm happy where I am thanks.
Graphics while the topic here is not the only reasons for choosing an OS
Yes DX12 is available for specifically ported games, no,not a lot of developers are moving to include W7 DX12 support.
W10 is not stable
I've never heard anything to suggest this is any worse than W7… if anything, better.
it changes and makes changes without the users explicit authorisation
Yeah, major security updates, after repeatedly prompting, and that can be turned off or stalled in more recent versions.
You appear to have done some reading, but I'd suggest to look into it some more, or just move over to Linux.
@jasswolf: I appear to have done some reading?
You crack me up. Been in the industry dealing with Windows for over 25 years.
Been Knee deep in this since 3.11 was the latest and greatest.
@LauralHardy: Then you're super paranoid at the expense of on-going security mitigations… I'll leave it there.
@jasswolf: Or I deal with peoples Windows 10 problems on a day to day basis, like my system to remain stable and have enough knowledge to take care of security on different levels.
I'd leave it there, kid.
Working with system and network security is supposed to make you paranoid btw or you are not doing your job correctly…
@LauralHardy: Genuinely curious, what Windows 10 problems do you deal with and how was it any different in Windows 7?
And how do you objectively measure Windows 7 stability against Window 10?
It's somewhere between 2070 super and 2080 with an extra 3gb of memory.
Honestly I'd probably go for the 2070 super though, seeing as these pascal cards seem to fall further behind as they prioritise current gen gpu's in optimisation
That's not why they're going to fall behind, check the link above and my follow-up post.
Windows 10 will provide support for VRS and mesh shaders, which should put Turing over the top of Pascal, and the 2070 Super over the 1080ti in most DX12 scenarios going forward.
Isn't that optimisation…
@Butt Scratcher: When the other card doesn't even have the features, it's not really a case of dropping software support. NVIDIA support their architectures for 6-8 years usually.
I think everything back to Kepler is still actively supported? That's over 8 years of tech.
@jasswolf: Optimization: an act, process, or methodology of making something as effective as possible
@Butt Scratcher: Fair enough, we basically agree, I would just word it differently instead of hinting at a company directive for planned obsolescence.
@jasswolf: Unfortunately the newest games will be better optimised on current gen hardware, while the older games pascal will take the lead. Not sure if that's nvidia or game devs or both that make it so, but the focus will always be current gen for new titles.
@Budju: That doesn't properly reflect the length of the development cycle of most major games, which exceeds the lead-time the developers would get for new graphics architecture, which is why you rarely see big new features get added in a meaningful way at product launch (eg. raytracing, DLSS, VRS, Mesh shading).
As things stand, it's going to be 18 months for this latest ones, and that's assuming games will immediately offer support. So, basically an entire graphics generation.
@jasswolf: Turing has been out for a while man. We are finally starting to see the better optimisation of the new cards have an effect. The 1080 ti is a better card no doubt, it's the software that mskes this card (which is actually a 2080 that didn't meet spec, now with super launch) a slightly better card for the newest games.
The og 2070 sucked, this is trading blows now and will improve over time.
it's the software that mskes this card
That would imply that they've just dropped all support for the 1080Ti, which isn't true.
The 2070 Super is just straight up superior gear for modern graphics APIs, it's not a software trick.
@jasswolf: I do like how you think 'support' is a binary thing. Like there is no variation in the level of support - they either support it or they don't.
@Budju: It's not about the level of support either. With an equal level of software support, Turing would always move further forward, that's what I'm trying to get you to understand.
@jasswolf: So optimising pascal to work better with new graphics technologies better than it already is is impossible. That is what you are claiming.
To rehash the point that has been made several times, if pascal was current gen, they'd be closer to perfecting the optimisation with new graphics technologies than they presently are because it would be a higher priority. Nobody is arguing that there weren't architectural improvements made with Turing.
@Budju: No, you cannot turn on VRS on a graphics pipeline that literally has no hardware support for it and expect to see gains. Likewise mesh shaders. There can and have been other optimisations that can be implemented over time. I mean, adaptive sync was turned on for Pascal a little under a year ago.
I think you're overestimating how much optimisation there is to be done for baseline performance, versus tuning for existing and upcoming games, and how NVIDIA's partner program works to coordinate driver support for such things across a lot of their hardware stack. They spend 2 years on these things in the design phase, at which point they start playing around with prototypes and informing developers of what's coming… they know they have to support the card for at least 4 years actively, and seem happy with pushing it up to almost 10 for on-going support.
They know better than anyone what the hardware is capable of, but you cannot fine-tune the way you're describing it for a PC experience, there's just way too many variables to lock down the optimisations the way you seem to want it. If you want that kind of tweaking, get a console.
@jasswolf: 'No, you cannot turn on VRS on a graphics pipeline that literally has no hardware support for it'
This is a straw man. I never said anything about this for you to now be refuting.
'I think you're overestimating how much optimisation there is to be done for baseline performance'
I think you're hyper analyzing throw away comments that amount to 'yea, the 2070 super is probably the way to go cause as time goes on games are performing better with current gen'.
Let it go and move along. There are better hobbies than picking arguments on the internet with people who ultimately came to the same conclusion as you did.
@Budju: It's more about what you say to the next person, not trying to browbeat. If you got something from this, pay it forward! :)
@jasswolf: I didn't really say much, I actually hedged my original comment quite a lot. Why don't you go read it and contemplate why you bothered spending 25 minutes sending me messages.
@jasswolf: Yup, which is why I'm a bit confused why you're trying to convince me I'm not.
I recommended 2070 super over 1080ti and suggested that 2070 super will only get better overtime from better optimisation.
I said 2070 Super, and you need to take a closer look at what you're talking about, because the 2080 is not a 1080Ti, the architecture is fundamentally different beyond raytracing and tensor cores.
This is deal is mediocre bordering on poor, even with the Aorus card and 2-year warranty.
lol that's not why they say it's a rebrand. It's because it's performance is so similar. In fact in real world performance 1080ti performance 9% better. (Non ray tracing obviously) https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-vs-Nvi…
@npiet1: Meanwhile the 2070 Super is $625 on sale and has virtually identical basic performance in games from the last 3-5 years, and has feature sets for future games that will see it pull ahead by as much as 30%-40% in certain game genres.
This is a bargain website, not /r/gaming
EDIT: Userbenchmark… in 2019? Oh dear.
@jasswolf: Well else am I meant to get multiple benchmarks of different GPU's I don't own on the fly? If you've got a better way, I'm all ears.
Okay I didn't realize they were that cheap now, I thought they were still $200 more expensive.@npiet1: Techspot/HW Unboxed tend to make good benchmark compilations, but launch reviews and data tends to become useless after 6-12 months. HWBench do an OK job too. They're basically at parity, with the exception of some DX11 games and something like Gears 5.
There's definitely strengths and weaknesses to both, but overall the 2070 Super sits in a winning position for the next era of PC games at both 1440p and 4k.
@jasswolf: Idk about 4k (new games) unless you mean things like checker boarding.
Techspot looks like Tom's hardware tbh.
I think there's only a handful of games which would be better with the 2070s, however I don't think you will find anything for that pricepoint? It will be interesting seeing next year's games to see how they perform!
EDIT: I stand corrected, there are some good 2070 super deals too!
Buy the card when cyberpunk arrives. It will be cheaper by then
Is that the one with Keanu Reeves
Yea. I see Keanu Reeves I click buy
Still a very capable card.
I was considering it (GTX 1080 FE with EK block) but it's too much to buy in at.
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc1080-gtx-ti-aorus-rgb-nickel
This block looks like it'll for for anyone on water.
If these cards are ex-Chinese mining cards, they've been used 24x7 at pretty high utilisation.
Who exactly is offering the warranty on these things? It says manufacturer, but seems unlikely.
If a 2070 Super brand new is about the same price, why would you even consider these used cards??
Bearing in mind too that most new cards come with 1 or more AAA game titles free….
Actually u make a very good point i just realized it mentions manufacturer warranty so now i really am wondering how much of that is true.
Seems like a decent price, however think i'll still hold out with my 1050 for now hoping there's some good cards before Cyberpunk next year, that and i don't know if these cards have been thrashed.
I own this card I would say it is not worth it anymore.. All new games are demanding now and with 1440p monitors it's really showing it's age. I'm waiting for NVIDIA next gen cards should worth every dollar. 1080p gaming should be fine if you planing to get this card.
Not worth it and showing its age? So the RTX 2080 and 2070 Super at equivalent performance, not to mention 5700 XT, are also not worth buying then…?
I also own this card and it's more than capable at 1440p. Turing is entirely skippable for 1080ti owners imo.
Most prob referring to unoptimized games like control which the current gen struggles with anyway.
This card is equivalent in term of performance to a 2070 super and slightly slower than 2080.And it's still good for 1440p. I have one in my system and playing with my ultrawide 1440p, no problem at all, unless you want ray tracing..
lol what?
A 1070 can still smash games at 1440p.
You dont need 400fps in every game….
Jeeez, and I'm sitting here on a gtx 1070 with ultrawide 1440p thinking it's fine
What games do you play? I was finding my 1080 was not enough for driving a 3440x1400 100hz monitor.
Sold my 1080 for $500, brand new 2070s for $700 and found a buyer for my free 1tb ssd for $140.
$60 upgrade all up for a pretty noticeable performance jump + 4 years of warranty + a way cooler and virtually silent card. Stoked.
Last games i played was gears of wars 4-5, outer worlds and borderlands 3. Only gears of wars 4 was maxed, others were a mix of 2nd highest and highest which usually lets me play at 45-60 fps
Might be worth mentioning that this is likely the highest performing card there will ever be with a DVI port, for those still using a DVI off-brand Korean Apple display monitor.
I miss my QNIX that was overclocked to 120Hz :(
what a champion
That's the only reason I'm considering this card, my BenQ monitor is 144hz DVI only. I wish they put a DVI port on the super/ 5700 cards.. my PC is finally at the end of upgrades.
I would go for it in your shoes, I know someone in a similar situation with a QNIX + recently deceased GPU. Upgrading both monitor and GPU blows overall cost out of the water.
Aorus is a good quality card, comes with warranty and considering 1080ti is still one of the best performing cards out there (still better performing than any AMD competitor) it makes sense. I couldn't justify spending a similar amount on a worse performing RTX 2060 even if it's new.
And I'm sitting here looking at a new GTX 1070 TI.. 😪
wow at this price. 1080ti still beast. My 2nd hand rog strix 1080ti still rock.
Whilst these trade blows and even out score some titles vs an RX5700XT, you can get a brand new XT for about the same price and atleast you'll get driver optimisation, whereby NVIDIA have most likely stopped caring too much about last gen Pascal cards.
Not to mention the extra power sponging of this old beast.
This thread has made me happy about my decision to go 2070 super tbh
damn just got a rx5700xt… if I knew I would have got this one… although the 5700xt was so cheap that I can't complain. good deal tho, 2 years warranty it doesn't matter if its refurb.
I'm an Nvidia bigot and I'd pick a new rx5700xtx over used toilet paper erm 1080ti any day. Be happy with what you have. It's more likely to serve you well for years.
I am happy with what I have but I'm not a fanboy of any brand :p 1080ti still smashes the RX5700XT at this time unfortunately. lets see with the new drivers coming up tho, I hope it improves even more.
at $567 for a gaming OC + free m.2 SSD I got a very good deal.For a lot of what you do now, I'll bet the only thing that's different is the framerate counter. My kids have 2080 Super cards and I have a 1080 (non TI) and theres is a little bit smoother but that is it…and this will give you a reason to upgrade to a 3080 or 4080 card or whatever they call it sooner.
What I'm saying is so long as it's not giving you trouble, why not enjoy it? We rarely get the absolute best deal ever available.
Only reason I prefer NVidia is I've had issues with AMD in the past.
@syousef: I agree.. AMD tend to be a bit buggier (or at least that's my experience) but I'm loving the competition it's bringing to both Intel and Nvidia… so I'm willing to support them (not fully now as I have a i7-9700k and getting a i9-9900k soon - it was a gift from a friend tho) and it will serve me well for another 2 or 3 years I hope. I do game on a 3440x1440 at 100hz so it's a bit more demanding than normal 1440p and I feel that my old GTX1080 was struggling sometimes at some games…
When I first got the RX5700XT it was really buggy.. now the new driver fixed it. I heard AMD will bring a brand new driver soon tho.
It doesn't really smash the 5700xt. It's 9% faster on average and that includes a couple of huge outliers which you might not even play.
The 5700xt is a great card as long as you're not having driver issues. I personally didn't want to deal with it so opted for a 2070s for not too much more $.
Got a Gigabyte 2070S Gaming OC for ~$700 delivered recently from ebay. The Windforce variant was also discounted down to ~$625 a few days after i received my card.
Gigabyte also has a promotion where you can redeem a 1tb SSD.
Not sure how this is a deal tbh.
For raw performance the 2080 super is comparable to the 1080ti. But I wouldn't touch a refurb.
Yeah comparable is a fair way to describe it but technically a 1080ti is closer to a 2070 super than a 2080 super.
From techspot, the 2080 super is 9% faster than a 1080ti and the 1080ti is 3% faster than a 2070 super in 1440p. But anything beyond the 2070 super is a really hard sell price/performance wise. I'd say the 5700xt is the most bang card but i was personally turned off by the various driver complaints.
the latest driver is running really smooth in my system.
@lucas001: That's good to hear. Did they fix the 1080p downclocking issues + general flickering? One of my work mates is still having heaps of grief with his card and RMA'd twice :/
Reading online, there are heaps of people enjoying their 5700xt cards so it's really hard to make sense of what's happening.
@Noodles93: not sure as I only game on 3440x1440… it still have some weird little glitches, for example when I load Apex legends it gives you a weird buzz, and loads normally.. something small but worth noticing.. other than that no other problems… I'm really happy with it so far.
@lucas001: I had lots of problems when I first installed it tho.. I DDUD my Nvidia drivers and installed the RX… then for some reason Windows decided it was right to install Nvidia drivers through the Windows update… loads of crashes… I DDUD everything again and installed the new AMD drivers… no crashes since.
wow awesome price, too bad I just upgraded my videocard recently. :(