HP OMEN 27" Z4D33AA 165Hz QHD 1ms G-Sync Gaming LCD Monitor $549 + $90 Delivery / Pickup VIC @ Renewd

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Seems like an OK deal for a gsync, 165Hz, 27" qhd Monitor.

Key Features

Color :Black

Box contents : HDMI cable ,USB 3.0 cable, DisplayPort cable, CD (includes U.G, warranty, drivers)

Display Specifications : Display size (diagonal) 68.58 cm (27")

Native resolution: QHD (2560 x 1440 @ 165 Hz) ,Tilt: -5 to +23°

Display type: TN w/LED backlight

Input connector :1 HDMI, 1 DisplayPort™ 1.2

Display features: Anti-glare

Contrast ratio : 1000:1 static, 10M:1 dynamic

Display colors : Up to 16.7 million colors supported (through FRC technology)

Ports: 3 USB 3.0 (one upstream, two downstream), 1 audio output

Weight :6.48 kg (with stand), 4.34 kg (without stand)

Minimum dimensions : (W x D x H) 61.36 x 27.25 x 53.36 cm (with stand), 61.36 x 19.08 x 37.36 cm (without stand)

Power supply type : Input voltage: 100-240 VAC at 50 - 60 Hz

Power consumption: 75W maximum, 65W typical

Computing 27inch Computer Peripheral HP LCD Monitor

30 Jan 2020

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jasswolf on 16/12/2019 - 16:25

+4

Awful price for a 3rd party refurbished monitor in 2019/2020.

HP really have been shitting the bed in Australia for some time.
- sifntdaz on 16/12/2019 - 16:27
  
  +1
  
  says brand new in the title?
  - jasswolf on 16/12/2019 - 16:28
    
    +7
    
    Then why are they offering a 90-day warranty? It's also a refurb business… and look at the shipping cost!
    
    Even if it's brand new with a full warranty, it's a discontinued product so it's dated tech and $100+ more than competing models.
    - sifntdaz on 16/12/2019 - 16:31
      
      +2
      
      i spoke to them over chat and they confirmed its brand new.
      - jasswolf on 16/12/2019 - 16:31
        
        @sifntdaz: Still poor value in 2019, just not horrendous.
        
        The biggest problem is how few QHD TN models are sold in Australia. The retailers and suppliers are failing to give us access to the good stuff, particularly the panel updates that came through this year.
        
        Miami Mall Alien on 17/12/2019 - 13:35
        
        -1
        
        @jasswolf: Why on earth would you want a TN panel in 2019? Especially if you're spending this much money on a monitor. They just look like hot garbage after you've seen the light that is IPS or VA; and the whole "but muh response times" argument is BS and hasn't been relevant for years. Modern IPS panels can do 1ms.
        
        jasswolf on 17/12/2019 - 13:43
        
        -1
        
        @Miami Mall Alien: VA response times are still awful for gaming. Solid budget option for video content though.
        
        IPS' performance in gaming is mediocre at 144hz, and its benefits (colour consistency, slighty viewing angle improvements) are not worth its drawbacks (dark scene content is literally the worst, price).
        
        If you're not doing genuine multimedia work, IPS is fool's gold.
        
        BTW, literally no IPS panels do 1ms properly, and that is a peak value with an enormous amount of overshoot that makes it unusable, as 1ms response times are a marketing scam at present. Read a technical review or view a product before you try to school people.
        
        Miami Mall Alien on 17/12/2019 - 13:55
        
        @jasswolf: You really are some kind of TN panel fetishist, aren't you?
        
        BTW, literally no IPS panels do 1ms properly, and that is a peak value with an enormous amount of overshoot that makes it unusable, as 1ms response times are a marketing scam at present. Read a technical review or view a product before you try to school people.
        
        You do realise obsession with the response times in the gaming world is just fueled by OEM marketing? It actually doesn't matter as much as anyone claims, gamers or otherwise, and noticing the difference between 1ms and 4ms is like noticing the difference between RGB and Ycbcr 444.
        
        IPS panels are perfectly fine for gaming and they have the added advantage of not making media content and still images look like they're being viewed through sh*t-coated glasses as well, which trumps your non-existent selling points for TN panels.
        
        jasswolf on 17/12/2019 - 14:05
        
        @Miami Mall Alien: No, I would recommend the Viewsonic as an option, and the LG 27GL83A as an option if it were sold here (and it hopefully will be), but unlike you, I want people to understand the choice.
        
        Fact is, IPS is an ugly trade off with TN when you're a gamer, and VA is the superior technology for video viewing and most general desktop usage (though scrolling in dark mode is not fun), which is why almost every LCD TV on the market is VA-based.
        
        My advice would be TN for your gaming monitor, VA for your content, assuming a dual screen setup. If you need to do multimedia work, 10-bit IPS would be the call then, but the Viewsonic and the LG are the only high refresh rate options in a sound price range for what they offer.
- Store RepRENEWD @ Renewd on 17/12/2019 - 11:25
  
  This is a brand new monitor in a sealed retail box. Comes with 12 months HP warranty.
  Thank you
Qmar on 16/12/2019 - 16:30

+1

Standard Shipping $90!!!
rainbowyen on 16/12/2019 - 16:31

+5

TN-panel, Mech
- jasswolf on 16/12/2019 - 16:36
  
  -6
  
  When I see comments like this, I wonder if people realise that the difference between acceptable viewing angles on an IPS versus a TN is an extra 10 degrees either side?
  
  Most people don't notice vertical gamma shift unless they're doing professional colour work, so you're just trading motion blur handling for internet points and more money.
  
  General advice to anyone who thinks IPS is automatically king: OLED has the best viewing angles and colour reproduction, and it's not even a close contest.
  - rainbowyen on 16/12/2019 - 17:28
    
    +4
    
    I used Dell G-Sync 144Hz tn panel: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/387939 to replace my 4k 60Hz P2715Q 1 year ago, ended up selling the S2716DG within 1 month. I am no expert but the tn panel is unbearable, I have tried every means to caliberate but still can't tolerate. If your have never used IPS panel then ignore what I am saying but trust me, NEVER trying to replace your IPS panel with TN one.
    
    On IPS panel, green is crisp green, red is red, but on TN panel, green is olive, red is purple.
    
    I am now using Alienware AW3418DW and satisfied, if I were to choose between colour accuracy and refresh rate, I would go for colour accuracy.
    - jasswolf on 16/12/2019 - 18:57
      
      -1
      
      Either you had a faulty panel, it was wildly uncalibrated, or you were viewing it from the side… though I recall hearing about that model having issues.
      
      Colour shift is normal when viewing TN, VA and OLED on a sharp angle or, in the case of TN, from underneath (slouching in your chair a lot). On IPS, brightness drops on the side instead.
      
      I've received a monitor before with a yellow hue out of the box, and you can calibrate around that to an extent, but it's grounds for a return when it's so dramatically out of whack.
  - Letrico on 16/12/2019 - 18:38
    
    +1
    
    Used both and can tell you TN is horrible. Only reason anyone gets it is for the response time.
    - jasswolf on 16/12/2019 - 18:58
      
      -1
      
      I've used all of these technologies, I understand the caveats of each, and IPS is wildly overrated.
    - Miami Mall Alien on 17/12/2019 - 13:45
      
      -1
      
      Only reason anyone gets it is for the response time.
      
      That argument has been bunk for years. Modern IPS panels can achieve 1ms now and usually averaged around 4ms for years now, which is perfectly adequate for gaming and most fanboys who claim they perceive a noticeable difference between 1ms and 4ms are drinking the marketing Kool Aid anyway.
  - Miami Mall Alien on 17/12/2019 - 13:42
    
    -1
    
    the difference between acceptable viewing angles on an IPS versus a TN is an extra 10 degrees either side?
    
    Oh no, I'll miss out on an extra 10 degrees of viewing angle for a screen that I'll be sitting directly in front of 99% of the time? What a loss.
    
    The difference between colour reproduction and contrast on an IPS vs a TN panel more than makes up for the pitiful improvement in viewing angles.
    
    General advice to anyone who thinks IPS is automatically king: OLED has the best viewing angles and colour reproduction, and it's not even a close contest.
    
    Go ahead genius, find us a deal for a 27" OLED gaming monitor. Or better yet, ANY widely-available OLED gaming monitor.
    
    They don't exist.
    - jasswolf on 17/12/2019 - 13:49
      
      -2
      
      Oh no, I'll miss out on an extra 10 degrees of viewing angle for a screen that I'll be sitting directly in front of 99% of the time? What a loss.
      
      You might want to re-read what I wrote. IPS has the viewing angle advantage, but it's literally that small. You're exactly the person I'm describing…
      
      Go ahead genius, find us a deal for a 27" OLED gaming monitor. Or better yet, ANY OLED gaming monitor.
      
      JOLED should be mass producing 1080p 120Hz panels as we speak, which means there should be models announced at CES, and being sold in 6-9 months. It wasn't intended as advice for today, it was to highlight how little IPS truly provides, as OLED has literally double the viewing angle.
      - Miami Mall Alien on 17/12/2019 - 14:01
        
        @jasswolf:
        
        You might want to re-read what I wrote. IPS has the viewing angle advantage, but it's literally that small.
        
        Your wording was piss-poor, but not that it matters because you literally haven't listed one single advantage a TN panel has over an IPS and you've now conceded no display panel technologies can't do real 1ms response times (without ghosting and motion issues), so the sole selling point for TN panels basically never existed?
        
        So you have no alternative but still want to cling to an ancient display panel technology as being superior when it clearly isn't?
        
        Solid consumer advice there.
        
        Go ahead, find me a better TN panel compared to that LG IPS monitor I linked that has better colours and better motion handling at that price point.
        
        it was to highlight how little IPS truly provides, as OLED has literally double the viewing angle.
        
        So you're saying a newer display panel technology is better than an older one? Who'd have thought?
        
        You mean sort of like how IPS (invented in the 1990s) is far better than TN (first patented in the 1970s)?
        
        jasswolf on 17/12/2019 - 14:09
        
        -2
        
        @Miami Mall Alien: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/lg-27gl850-vs-h…
        
        And that's a piss poor implementation of that TN panel.
        
        You're not seriously pointing to the first iteration of a technology as the final statement on its validity in 2019, are you? Are you still in school??
        
        Also, if RTings and re-published press releases are your sole sources, we're done here because you clearly have NFI. See you in the next monitor post, I guess.
        
        Miami Mall Alien on 17/12/2019 - 14:27
        
        @jasswolf: So, just to understand your comparison there, the HP Omen you've offered as an alternative is rated far worse overall for every single use case, and the only thing it has in it's favour is a 0.4ms faster response time, and it cost more when new than the LG did?
        
        Well I am overwhelmed. Keep clutching at those TN straws you neophobic blowhard.
        
        Also, if RTings and re-published press releases are your sole sources,
        
        Oh I'm sorry, where do you get your insider, top-secret knowledge from?
        
        My God, your pathetic snobbery makes your retarded obsession with inferior panel technologies all the more laughable.
        
        jasswolf on 17/12/2019 - 14:29
        
        -1
        
        @Miami Mall Alien:
        
        My God, your pathetic snobbery makes your retarded obsession with inferior panel technologies all the more laughable.
        
        It's incredible that you think you're being respectful and unpretentious after stating this, or literally at all in this exchange.
        
        Miami Mall Alien on 17/12/2019 - 14:47
        
        @jasswolf: Do you have anything else relevant to state here?
        Have you got some more of your non-existent "insider information" so you can make even more sh*tty monitor recommendations?
        
        You've been disproven on the following:
        
        TN panels have the best refresh rates and/or significantly better refresh rates than IPS.
        
        IPS is overrated and not really suitable for any use case.
        
        Refresh rates actually matter as much as anyone claims they do.
        
        And to top it all off, you've basically admitted no currently-available display panel technology can do true 1ms response times; so it's not even worth discussing response times as a major point of contention anyway, in which case, you concede TN panels have literally nothing going for them.
        
        It's incredible that you think you're being polite and unpretentious after stating this,
        
        I'm not being polite. You're the guy who started railing at people in this deal with your Captain C*cksure assertions about TN panels being the best deal since sliced bread and now you've basically done a complete 180 and admitted TN panels are worthless, outdated garbage, which everyone with access to Google can deduce for themselves in under 30 seconds.
        
        Thank you, OzBargain's self-proclaimed, panel technology subject matter expert.
        
        Do us all a massive favour and go back to your "insider sources" and fire them all would you? Or better yet, smash a worthless TN panel over the head of whoever proclaimed you an authority on display panels (possibly yourself); because your delusional opinions masquerading as impartial, technical research have fallen apart at the slightest scrutiny and evidently you harbour some deep-seated, bizarre fanboy love for TN that clouds your judgement, much like CRT enthusiasts.
        
        jasswolf on 17/12/2019 - 15:23
        
        -1
        
        @Miami Mall Alien:
        
        You've been disproven on the following:
        
        This should be interesting…
        
        TN panels have the best refresh rates and/or significantly better refresh rates than IPS.
        
        Refresh rates are largely standardised… you must be referring to response time here. Average response time is what matters, and only the LG comes close to TN, and certainly not 2019 TN panels. Have a look at the discussion of the LG monitors you're proclaiming on RTings, where they straight up tell you not to turn on the 1ms mode, as is the case on similar technical review sites, and general reviews at large that have actually had a hands-on with the monitor. If you'd read any of them, you'd realise this.
        
        But if you were pointedly referring to refresh rates, IPS has only just hit 240Hz, and it does so poorly compared to TN, particularly the latest TN:
        
        https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/acer_nitro_xv273x/respon…
        https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/acer_nitro_xf252q/respon…
        https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/acer_nitro_xf252q/respon…
        https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/lg_27gl850/response_1.pn…
        
        Keep in mind the refresh rate window for 240Hz is 4.17ms (1000/240) and for 144Hz it's 6.94 ms. So the LG nails 144Hz, but it does so with caveats: there are issues with the red subpixels, and further issues with with overall contrast by modern TN and IPS standards.
        
        IPS is overrated and not really suitable for any use case.
        
        I never said that, I literally just finished discussing use cases with you. Are you hoping that if you shout loud enough and long enough, people will believe you? I suppose Donald Trump is proof that it can sometimes work…
        
        Refresh rates actually matter as much as anyone claims they do.
        
        This shows how little you understand about any of this, including human vision. Central vision thrives on at least 200Hz, while peripheral vision is around 1000Hz, and physiological response to flicker tends to exist right up until around 13kHz. VR will be pushing for 1000Hz before the end of the next decade, and the rest will be slowly worked on over time. Why? To create as natural an image as possible so that viewing experiences become more and more pleasant over time.
        
        You can read more about the GPU and panel side of that push here and here:
        
        https://www.blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey…
        https://www.blurbusters.com/frame-rate-amplification-technol…
        
        And to top it all off, you've basically admitted no currently-available display panel technology can do true 1ms response times; so it's not even worth discussing response times as a major point of contention anyway, in which case, you concede TN panels have literally nothing going for them.
        
        Again, as you can see with the Acer response times (HP have a similar model, but neither have shipped here despite being out for months), there are genuine sub-1ms panels in terms of response times, at least in terms of peak values. As I also pointed out to you moments ago, 1ms average times would be well under the required refresh window for 240Hz, and would offer an entry level 1000Hz experience with the right controller board and GPU, so your argument that you have pinned on me is literally absurd.
        
        And now, after I have rolled up my sleeves and spent some of my time with you, you understand now exactly how dumb you have been. Go forth and be less dumb, starting with:
        
        Gaming: TN>IPS>VA
        Movies: VA>IPS>TN
        Productivity: VA>TN 240hz>IPS>TN
        Multimedia work: IPS>VA>TN
        
        Ping me again when OzB gets an ignore function.
        
        Miami Mall Alien on 18/12/2019 - 20:15
        
        @jasswolf:
        
        This should be interesting…
        
        No, this is mind-numbing because I'm wasting my time trying to convince a basement-dweller who's been chugging so much E-Peen-inducing, fanboy Kool Aid from the cesspools of autistic, tech nerd-infested, circle-jerk hardware sites like WCCFTech and Hardforum that they're actually starting to believe their own BS.
        
        Average response time is what matters, and only the LG comes close to TN, and certainly not 2019 TN panels.
        
        Let's go through this one more time, because reading comprehension is not your strong suite, so I'll spell it out for you in Crayola:
        
        No. Monitors. Do. True. Usable. 1. Millisecond. Response. Times.
        
        Every monitor that claims to, only does so with so much ghosting and over/undershooting that it makes it unusable at those overdrive settings, significantly impairing your image quality and forcing you to back off to about 3-4ms, which has been the industry standard for years now and is the response time range that every goddamned, mid-range IPS has been capable of operating at for ages now.
        
        Any claims to the contrary by any manufacturer are simply marketing bullsh*t and you know it.
        
        Which brings us back to the mother-effing crux of this entire argument, that TN panels have better response times than IPS.
        
        They don't. They have faster CLAIMED response times, which are not usable in real-world use cases; their realistic 100% response times that they can reproduce with no ghosting and over/undershooting are usually within the 3-4ms range which puts them on equal footing with most IPS panels and which only makes them even more worthless on a comparative basis, when given all of the other massive advantages of IPS such as colour accuracy, image uniformity, better viewing angles, etc.
        
        and further issues with with overall contrast by modern TN
        
        Ah, the fabled "modern TN", otherwise known as, still-as-sh!t-as-ever-TN and still unable to compete with IPS in colour accuracy, image uniformity and viewing angles but with the added benefit of still NOT being able to beat IPS in response times because they still can't achieve 1ms (except on tech benchmarks that individuals such as yourself foam at the mouth over; but which mean nothing to real-world users).
        
        Glad, we're in the era of "modern TN", it's come such a long way from complete garbage to still mostly garbage.
        
        This shows how little you understand about any of this, including human vision. Central vision thrives on at least 200Hz, while peripheral vision is around 1000Hz, and physiological response to flicker tends to exist right up until around 13kHz. VR will be pushing for 1000Hz before the end of the next decade, and the rest will be slowly worked on over time. Why? To create as natural an image as possible so that viewing experiences become more and more pleasant over time.
        
        Oh God, he's rattling off some Wikipedia factoids and verbose jargon to bolster his credibility.
        
        Tell me more about the mitochondria of the cell please…
        
        Your attempts to browbeat people into submission by throwing out these laughable pieces of trivia from your intellectual ivory tower just reveal your massive insecurity complex with this pathetic obsession of yours of being the most well-versed monitor enthusiast; because apparently this subject is a life-and-death matter for you and you don't really have much else going for yourself, hence your fragile ego cannot accept the fact that you've been a monumental clown here.
        
        Again, as you can see with the Acer response times (HP have a similar model, but neither have shipped here despite being out for months), there are genuine sub-1ms panels in terms of response times, at least in terms of peak values.
        
        Yes, peak values which DO NOT matter one iota, because they make the image look like garbage and no one recommends running monitors at those settings; you bloody numbskull.
        
        As I also pointed out to you moments ago, 1ms average times would be well under the required refresh window for 240Hz, and would offer an entry level 1000Hz experience with the right controller board and GPU, so your argument that you have pinned on me is literally absurd.
        
        No.
        
        I have pointed out that response times for modern monitors do not matter, that the difference between 1ms and 4ms cannot be reliably gauged by the human eye during gaming to any degree of consistency and it's purely promotional material for manufacturers to try and mark up their pricing with.
        
        That is the argument you're trying to refute here and 12 posts later you still can't give me a decent, goddamned counter-argument as to why someone should be buying TN panels with claimed 0.00000001 sub-picosecond responses times that actually can't display a legible image at that setting, when in reality, all of them really operate at around 3ms and look like absolute sh*t compared to IPS anyway.
        
        I've never seen anyone be more committed to being wrong as yourself, and going to stupid lengths to try and sound credible and well-sourced; it's like I've bumped into a 10 year old who just learned all about his favourite planet in class today and now seizes at the opportunity to latch onto any captive listener and just regurgitate verbal diarrhea at them until they simply concede defeat from exhaustion.
        
        jasswolf on 19/12/2019 - 10:14
        
        -1
        
        @Miami Mall Alien: Your ignorance and bigotry knows no bounds when you feel inferior, it seems.
        
        I've already disproven all of this, and you've just skipped over the delivered facts and repeated yourself. That's not the actions of a reasoned and intelligent individual.
        
        One correction though: the flicker threshold is about 10kHz, not 13kHz. Apologies for my error!
- KARMAAA on 16/12/2019 - 17:22
  
  +1
  
  TN's really aren't as bad as they used to be.
  
  My VIEWSONIC XG2401 had really good viewing angles despite being a TN. I recently upgraded to a IPS 4K 120Hz monitor, the ACER XV273KP and the viewing angles are much the same.
  
  Though I will say, of course, contrast and colour accuracy is not as great as IPS when using a TN. But this is a gaming monitor. You don't need the most amazing colour out of it. If it does like 85% of sRGB or something it'll do most gamers just fine.
  
  Colour banding has also greatly improved out of TN panels. But yeah, each panel is different, etc etc. But just because something is a TN panel doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I've seen IPS monitors with worse colour accuracy than some of the best TN's. Just like I've also seen some TN's with terrible response times versus an IPS.
RogueWolf on 16/12/2019 - 17:08

$698 new at OW if you can find stock
- jasswolf on 16/12/2019 - 17:25
  
  It's discontinued so they wouldn't be able to order in anything, but Renewd are supposedly claiming this is brand new.
  
  Perhaps they had a line on the last set of HP stock?
  - RogueWolf on 16/12/2019 - 17:33
    
    +1
    
    90 day Warranty - if thats all it comes with i'd avoid
    - Jaduqimon on 16/12/2019 - 17:50
      
      Well if it's new warranty is at least 1 year. By law
      - jasswolf on 16/12/2019 - 19:01
        
        @Jaduqimon: That's also what HP offer.
    - Store RepRENEWD @ Renewd on 17/12/2019 - 11:26
      
      This is a brand new monitor in a sealed retail box. Comes with 12 months HP warranty.
      Only 1 left in stock.
      
      Thank you
hahayo on 17/12/2019 - 12:32

+1

TN panel is horrible for daily use but maybe good for gaming as the response speed. I will never buy TN panel anymore , horrible color and view angle.By the way, 90 dollar for delivery ??!! This is ridiculous.
- Top G on 18/12/2019 - 00:01
  
  lol this guy is a renewd shill, posted nice hp laptop deal but only 1 in stock and now this.
silvelining on 18/12/2019 - 09:19

I am trying to return a laptop from my recent purchased as there is problem with its screen. I have sent several email with no reply pls help.
BigPeeper on 26/12/2019 - 16:45

For those wonder the panel is only 350 cd/m² for brightness

This was posted 4 years 11 months 8 days ago, and might be an out-dated deal.

HP OMEN 27" Z4D33AA 165Hz QHD 1ms G-Sync Gaming LCD Monitor $549 + $90 Delivery / Pickup VIC @ Renewd

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