Hi, I'm looking to buy the Mitsubishi ASX 2020, exceed. Drive away price is $35740. Can anyone please help me with what price to offer? I've heard 10-15% off is not as achievable anymore? Plus being a brand new model, does this mean there's not much wiggle room? I'll be trading in my old car which will only get the minimum trade in. Thanks.
Mitsubishi ASX 2020
LChat00 on 01/11/2019 - 09:32
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heard Dandenong Mitsubishi are best at bargaining.
came across uber Guy who got cheapest price and they gave him 3 years of services freethank you :)
Beware this dealership, I've had an extremely negative experience where they refused to return a small deposit when my finances fell through.
I stipulated on the contract subject to finance.
However the dealer principal chose to take my $500 and literally said take me to court. I provided evidence to the dealership about finance but the attitude was bordering on criminal as they broke the contract.
I cut my losses but still warn people about this petty dealership.
Why would you not get your finances in order before making offers on the car?
@Mitch889: It was a new car and the deposit was to secure the price as it was on sale. That's why I put subject to finance, my knock back was due to a small unpaid bill I wasn't aware of when I applied for external finance. The dealer stated that because it wasn't his finance he used (Swan) he was keeping the deposit. Even though I had a broker state I had been knocked back in writing and a Stat Dec. This was in 2013.
Was thinking of offering $28,500?
😂😂
I've heard 10-15% off is not as achievable anymore?
And you want to offer >20% off?
Sorry I meant to write 29500
R U OK?
@plmko: As a changeover price you don’t think 10% plus $2000 trade in is a good place to start? Where would you start?
@Chat00: What's the model of your old car? .. I'd recommend heading to a few user car dealerships around and see how much they'll offer for your car or alternatively try for a private sale.
@Ahbal: I agree. I detailed and sold my mother's 2006 Yaris a few months back. She was offered $3,000 on trade, and I sold it on CarSales for $6,900 w/ 80,000kms. They fetch a great private sale price
Change over?
Yes change over
A true Ozbargainer.
a true tightass who is a dreamer is the better definition
$29500? Then realistically looking at $31-32,000 after some negotiating. Is he fact that it’s just released last month mean that there is not much wiggle room? As in I’d be lucky to get $500 off drive away price? Thank you.
Yeh, no. No wiggle room because it's newly released. This kinda explains Spackbace's reaction above. You're more likely to be put on a waiting list than to get a discount.
Thank you for some straight forward advice 😊
It's not what I would call newly released. It's 10 year old car with a face lift.
You'd have to be mad to pay anywhere near the coin they are asking for it at MSRP.
Mitsubitshi, waiting listing?
Is the next gen Evo out?
EVO is long gone, now the hot shit is the Tesla model 3, I means for entry level
@WhoGiveAShxt: Don't think a Tesla 3 is even in the same league as an Evo.
About the only thing a Tesla wins at is if you did a comparison of petrol usage.
Lol even $31-32k for brand new model is unrealistic. Unless the car is actually parked in their lot burning a hole in the pocket, there's no incentive to offer you a dal.
If there's a waiting list with people offering full price, your negotiating power is zero.
It's my understand burning a hole doesnt happen anymore as the dealer doesnt own the vehicle the manufacturer does? I know it use to be a pile of credit they would hold onto but not any more. They may sometimes buy a dealer vehicle to meet targets. Someone can elaborate
There's still motivation to sell out of current yard stock, rather than order a car that's 3 months away, or grab one from a competitors yard
Depends on brand, but it usually the bank owns new cars on dealer lots. So every car on the lot is burning a hole, but some more so than others.
You're hoping an old car has a $3k trade-in, when it doesn't.
Minimum trade deals are for used cars, and they just jack up the price to compensate. If it's an old clunker, it could be worth $500, or even $100!
As has been said, go in, test drive, get the trade valued and work from there, but don't waste their time thinking they'll come down to some ridiculous figure.
And don't hope for a minimum trade-in deal on a brand new, new to the market, vehicle
Ok. I'll address the elephant in the room. Why an ASX? They drive like crap and are basically a glorified lifted up hatchback in terms of interior size.
I would like a small SUV, I test drove the qashqai but I found it just a little bit too big to drive. The Mazda CX3 interior is too small. The Kia sport she is too big to drive. We already have a Mazda 3 sp25, it’s very low to the ground. The new model ASX had everything I want. The older model ASX are boring as hell.
Did you test drive any actual sedans tho?
Cheaper.
More comfortable ride.
More interior room.At least you passed on the CX3. I had the displeasure of sitting in one courtesy of Uber. Hilariously small inside. Backseat even worse.
have the gaul
Lol
Did I say I was an expert?
Did I say there is a perfect vehicle?
Do you always type in straw man?Quick list of sedans that are:
- Cheaper.
- More comfortable ride.
- More interior room
off the top of my head that OP should view and test drive IMHO:Toyota Camry
Subura Impreza
Honda Civic
Mazda 3
Hyundai ElantraKey exclusion IMHO being Kia Cerato as I someone who bought 2 and has had numerous issues since purchase.
@Typical16-bitEnjoyer: SUV's are often preferred because they are often easier for those with mobility issues to get into with seats being closer to bottom height.
SUV's driven slowly usually have more comfortable ride than sedans. Most sedans are tuned at least partially for handling.
SUV's often have more head room and better road visibility (as long as you are only looking forward…).
An equivalent Camery is $45k.
But yes, OP should waste five hours and five different sales people's time because you know best about what OP wants :p
SUV's are often preferred because they are often easier for those with mobility issues to get into with seats being closer to bottom height.
TIL most Australians have mobility issues.
SUV's often have more head room and better road visibility (as long as you are only looking forward…).
Yet most drivers seem to put 20% of their car into an intersection to be able to see approaching cars, I guess that high riding position just isn't high enough.
SUV's driven slowly usually have more comfortable ride than sedans. Most sedans are tuned at least partially for handling.
This is actually incorrect - SUVs usually have stiffer suspension than equivalent sedans because they are taller and heavier - The stiffer suspension helps with body control/"car-like handling".
SUVs usually have stiffer suspension than equivalent sedans because they are taller and heavier
What? I said:
SUV's driven slowly usually have [a] more comfortable ride than sedans.
Anyway, I will reply to what you wrote instead of making an unrelated point.
Height affects centre of gravity, which affects body roll. This is mitigated mostly by connecting the left and right wheels together with anti roll bars. Most SUV's have stiff anti roll bars and stupidly soft springs. SUV's normally have 'soft' dampers as well (that's why they continue bouncing after a bump). 4x4's are normally softer still. Ute's usually still have a firm rear end, which is why they bounce on bumps (or vibrate).
The lightest SUV I know of is just over 800kg (an Ignis). Most small sedans are around the 1300kg. Camery's are 1500kg+. The Mazda 3 and Impreza are ~1300kg, with the Mazda 3 30kg lighter than OP's ASX but $41k with a sunroof. The Impreza is 10kg lighter and $4k cheaper than OP's ASX w/sunroof, but in my opinion, they are worse to drive than the ASX (I know, I know).
So no,
The stiffer suspension helps with body control/"car-like handling".
is wrong.
Anti roll bars and/or tuned reinforcement in the monocoque chassis helps with body control/"car-like handling". 10cm of height and and 30kgs of weight is not a big deal. The difference is literally a four year old in the back seat.
@This Guy: I didn't say "stiffer springs" - I generalised with "stiffer suspension" so your intellectual masturbation is silly.
The effect of a stiffer anti roll back is a higher effective spring rate (i.e stiffer suspension), do you think stiffer anti roll bars come with no compromises?
Not sure why you're comparing an 800kg Ignis to anything, I said equivalent. Go drive a Mazda 3 and a CX3, or go drive a Skoda Superb and Kodiak, or a C300 and a GLC - I've done each of those and in every case the SUV is the less comfortable car.
I haven't driven the new Impreza or new ASX so I can't comment.. but Subarus are usually sold with some sporting pretence it might not be a fair comparison.Utes have a stiff spring rate to support load carrying capacity, but the reason they bounce on bumps is more due to their lack of independent suspension and leaf springs, not 'firmness'.
@sovereign01: Sorry, I was thinking of a strut bar. Modern cab forward SUV's have insane strut bars, giving the better ones stupidly stiff chassis'.
I have driven ~half of the top ten manufacturer's line up. Small and mid sedans/hatches usually have torsion beam rears while almost every 'comparable' SUV is 200+ kg heavier with independent rear. This weight is often more equipment, heavier, more complex suspension, thicker glass and more materials to reduce NVH. They are ignored, because they are not apples to apples (and the SUV always wins ride comfort).
The KIA Sorento and Stinger have similar layouts and weights. The Sorento has a far more comfortable ride, even against the active damper Stinger GT. The non active Stinger's rides more like a Carnival. KIA and Hyundai SUV's are more comfortable than their sedan and hatch line up (including the independent rear Elantra and the Optima which are closer in weight and suspension layout). KIA is first as it is the only mainstream brand I can think of that has a comparable SUV and Sedan based on weight and suspension type that I have driven.
The Ford Everest has a far more comfortable ride than either the Mustang (obviously) or the (discontinued) Falcon. The Escape rolls like a boat in my opinion and has a more comfortable but less controlled ride than the focus (and not really comparable due to mass and price differences). The Escape is also stupidly narrow for it's height.
The Trailblazer/MUX rides like poop in my option, and the Aussie built Commodore left it for dead in ride comfort. However the Equinox has one of the most comfortable rides of any non active damped car I have driven (especially on the freeway). I haven't driven the Acadia or PSA Commodore.
I am not familiar with the GLC.
The CX3 has a torsion beam rear on a Mazda 2 (read cheap car) Chassis. Of cause it is crap (IMHO). The Mazda 3 also has a significantly longer track and wheelbase, while being 10cm lower with better weight distribution. The Mazda 3 could win on physics alone. This is like comparing a Picanto X-line to a Cerato (Another lifted micro car vs a medium sedan). Ofcause in this case the sedan ride is more comfortable.
The Kodiak, while on the same MQB platform, is still ~250kg's heavier.
The Eclipse Sport rides similar to most $30k+ SUV's and has a significantly more comfortable ride than the ASX. Both are significantly more comfortable than the (discontinued) Lancer. Mitsubishi's Ute based SUV's ride like cheaper ute based SUV's (which is what they are). None of them are really comparable to the (discontinued) Lancer as the price difference is/was significant.
I haven't driven enough of Toyota's range to give valuable feed back. VW and Nissan, like Mitsubishi, discontinued sedans. I haven't driven Subaru's range for around a decade and I haven't driven a Honda more than a few hundred meters.
Despite all my saltiness towards modern torsion beam rears, it is the damper system paired with them that causes most of their horrible ride. The Citroen DS was THE benchmark and all it had was a torsion beam and a novel damper.
leaf springs
…are flat coils. Corvettes used them for years. I never heard anyone say a C7 handled like a pig. The leaf sprung XC90 received plenty of praise.
Most leaf systems use torsion beams as dampers, not hydraulic systems. Even so, the current leaf sprung duel cab Rangers ride comfortably. Most leaf sprung utes ride comfortably once loaded
lack of independent suspension
A solid axle is more of a handling issue than a ride comfort issue.
ASX seems good value. Did you look at a Seltos or CH-R or RAV4?
Thanks, I did look at the rav4, but I don’t think it’s modern/sporty enough compared to the new ASX.
@Chat00: Doesn't surprise me that OP doesn't like the Rav 4.
We have the current gen Camry and Hilux, plus the last gen Rav 4 at work. The Camry is nice to drive but under-powered and has a woeful centre dash design, whilst the Hilux and Rav are dreadful to drive. I'd much rather drive the old VF Omegas that are slowly being phased out of our company fleet.
@Chat00: "sporty" "modern"
Chooses an SUV…let alone an ASX
fmd.
Sick of this trend. The marketing really has got into peoples heads.
The new model ASX had everything I want. The older model ASX are boring as hell.
It's the 8 year old platform with the 2.4litre outlander engine. I hope you aren't expecting amazing economy around town.
It's older than that. Its essentially a derivative of the PM/MK platform in the Jeeps which is derived from the Mitsubishi GS platform. It's essentially a 13 year old re-skinned design and it drives like something straight out of 2008/2009 too.
Sorry I don’t meant boring to look at. I like the new look of the ASX. I do understand it’s pretty boring to drive as I’ve test driven the 19 model.
HRV?
I don’t like the back of it! I know I’m picky, but I need to like the whole look of the car to buy it.
Mazda CX 30 is coming out in a couple months. The ASX is terrible. Seriously. You can get a CX 5 on sale for a decent price at the moment if it's urgent. CX 30 will be in between a CX 3 and CX 5
The MY20 changes should help maintain the ASX's dominance on the sales charts. So far in 2019 there have been 16,171 registrations year-to-date as of September 30, up 9.8 per cent on the same period last year, firmly cementing its place as Australia's favourite small SUV.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/802579/2020-mitsubishi-asx-pric…Small SUV is quite the oxymoron.
My point stands.
They're all bought by rental companies.
Also Konas are ugly as, and felt like I was sitting in a box.
Go to a dealer and make your offer and be ready to sign up there and then.
If he says no go to another…
What one dealer cries impossible at another will jump at… I have found this many times.Chewing it over on an internet forum wont get you there….
for a brand new model all this will achieve is every dealer in town saying no and wasting many days of his time.
That's why get a couple quotes, then start shooting out emails to nearby ones (even a bit further) that might bite
Thanks, I’m actually going this afternoon so wish me luck! Thanks for ur advice.
Let us know what deal you got please?
Prob not what you are hoping for ;)
(bogof)
It isn't a brand new model, it's the same old car with a facelift.
Thanks, this may help me with negotiating.
Insulting their car won't help you negotiate
Perhaps pointing out all the drawbacks will help, you never know :)
you never know :)
I'm a salesperson, I know
You start bagging out the product, it makes us think you don't actually want it. It doesn't mean we'll just suddenly agree to your price. We could have orders out the door for it, just because you think it's average doesn't mean we need to reduce the price to put you in one.
@Chat00: On the other hand being keen and letting them know that you are ready to buy right now gives them incentive to go a bit better to get your business.
The game can be played many ways.
OP, what are your thoughts comparing the ASX to the newly released Kia Seltos?
Not a fan of the looks of the front.
Seltos has a really nice interior. I’d have a look at it.
Thanks, we already have a Mazda 3. Plus I don't like the hub caps, prefer that of ASX.
30k on a car and ruling one out due to the hubcaps?
This gets better and better! 😂
The Mazda CX-30 doesn't even have hub caps?
Sorry, I don’t know the terminology. I’m a female in the health industry. I meant the metal spokes?? And he’ll yes I’m not going to spend >$30000 on a car and I hate the wheels. These details are important to me, not for you, you’re not the one buying a new car.
@Chat00: I can’t see why you bring female is relevant to assumed knowledge of car bits.
Perhaps I’m missing something.
Buy different wheels, holy hell. People sell brand new genuine ones for nothing when they "upgrade" to disgusting aftermarket chrome crap.
This is not a post on asking what car I should buy. It’s about getting the best price for the car I want. Thankfully I have had many helpful replies.
@Chat00: Offer the price you want to pay. They accept it it they don't. The asx is not a "new" model.
@Chat00: You posted asking for help on a particular car in an automotive forum, an area of expertise which you've admitted you're not familiar with. People who have much better knowledge in the subject recommended that an ASX is not the way to go due to a number of factors, namely the actual age of the vehicle's design and mechanical components.
IIRC you work in the medical field. That's like me asking you what I should pay for a particular prescription cream or tablet, and you recommending a far newer and better alternative that has less side effects, better ingredients etc, and me responding with I'm not going to listen to any of that because I like the packaging of the original choice more. It's ridiculous and illogical, and that has basically been your attitude through this entire post. People are only trying to help you make an informed decision.
You can buy whatever you like, I'm sure if you've read all of these responses you know you're buying a 'new' vehicle which is an 11 year old design and the most unrefined and oldest vehicle in that class, and that's fine, but don't get annoyed at people suggesting alternatives and giving you other information that's actually useful.@justaperson: Your right, I was getting defensive because people were making fun of me, with comments like:
R U OK?
Hahahahaha.
Oh you are actually serious.
This gets better and better! 😂
So anyway, thanks for your advice, I'm logging out now.
@justaperson: I stopped reading after you said much better knowleadge… this place is anything but unless of course we're talking about finding cheap deals. Also people aren't trying to help. They just like to voice opinions. Typical ozb.. question asks xxxxx, people respond with yyyyyy
@gimme: Exactly.
OP go post this Q on Whirlpool at least there's some standard of addressing the Question.
People sell brand new genuine ones for nothing when they "upgrade" to disgusting aftermarket chrome crap.
I've had 4 sets of new wheels and tyres and never paid more than $400 due to people "upgrading". When the tyres are bald I sell the rims for $150-$200.I love the "upgraders"
@brad1-8tsi: Yes they are very good to buy quality wheels and cheap, generally good tyres from, when they replace them with cheap Chinese wheels and tyres lol
Hi, I'm looking to buy the Mitsubishi ASX 2020, exceed. Drive away price is $35740. Can anyone please help me with what price to offer? I've heard 10-15% off is not as achievable anymore? Plus being a brand new model, does this mean there's not much wiggle room? I'll be trading in my old car which will only get the minimum trade in. Thanks.
The ASX isn't brand new underneath. It's an 8+ year old platform which Mitsubishi has well and truly amortised the development costs on. the reason they are a top seller in their class is that the dealerships have a lot of wiggle room in the price and can do a good deal.
They are a competent vehicle but not amazing in any aspect of their abilities.
Make sure you test the Bluetooth phone quality as the last 2 ASX I hired it was echoing and almost unusable.
I think $29000 drive away less trade-in is achievable as long as you are realistic with your trade in price. ie: If you want to pay wholesale for the new car then expect a wholesale trade in price on your old car.
Personally, i don't worry about what the trade or the d/a price is. I just decide what changeover I'd be happy with
Thank you!!
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What changeover price would you be happy with?
Have you been to a dealer and made them that offer? You may be surprised :-)