Halloween special for the highest CPU/GPU combo. Expires Midnight 1 Nov.
Enjoy :)
Spec:
Ryzen 7 3700X
GTX 1660 6GB
B350 motherboard (Biostar B45M2)
16GB 2400MHz RAM
240GB 2.5" SSD
750W PSU
Thermaltake Versa H18 Case
PCPartPicker comparison for value ($1243): https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/nHVXPn
Mod Note: Extended until 4th November as requested by Rep
thats a pretty good deal. i wish i had this option when i bought mine from techfast.
No you wouldn't. You would've said, "If it was $959 delivered I would have pulled the trigger."
naa but if this was $99 ….
ONE CENT.
I'd say the weak points here are the slow RAM and the off brand / unrated power supply
For most people it's fine though. Could always upgrade those components if necessary.
I've been tempted to buy one of these and gut for components but it feels wasteful to toss out parts and I can't be bothered to deal with people on scumtree.
Oh yeah let’s upgrade everything…oh wait then it’s no bargain anymore!
A bargain doesn't indicate a low price. It indicates a good deal. It can still be a bargain even if you upgrade some of the components…
I think the processor and graphics cards are a bit unbalanced (at least for gaming/standard use) as well.
I'd say this is more targeted towards non-gaming/productivity use
Gaming Desktop
How so?
Near top of the line processor and low-ish level graphics card
@djkelly69: Low to mid graphics. Easy to upgrade that component later.
My 1070 at 1080P still handles most games extremely well.
@cnut: i'd be pretty butthurt if it wasn't. I bought a gtx 1080 about a year ago, i'm hoping that cause everyone aiming for 4k now adays, it might last me another 5 years at 1080p
The PSU will almost certainly be Thermaltake Litepower or equivalent brand/spec.
3200MHz RAM upgrade available for not too much given the overall price I reckon.
You can always oc the memories a little bit I guess you can achieve 2666mhz even higher depending on the timings.
OLOy ?
YOLO spelt backwards.
Once live only you, hmmm?
/Yoda
I asked this in the previous thread just now but might get more visibility here, has anyone had experience with how long the turnaround time for shipping if I were to order the build unassembled?
There are two issues with doing that. (1) You need to ensure TechFast will flash the BIOS ROM on the B350 motherboard (otherwise you need to have an old AMD CPU in order to upgrade the BIOS). (2) You end up with a lot of so so parts. Basically, you are simply after the CPU and maybe the graphics card.
Do bear in mind that there is no surprise GTX 1660 deals are popping up. GTX 1660 Super announced and the RRP difference supposed to be $10 USD.
1660 Super is already an upgrade option in this Techfast build (for $99 though).
Buy price definitely isn't +$10 from 1660 to 1660 Super
@luketechfast: I suppose your changing brands because pricing between 1660 and 1660 ti is also less $100
Pretty sure Luke's answer has always been the same time frame as for a build.
Unassembled orders skip the building and testing time, so 1-2 days. We pick each order from the same day, on the same day, to be fair to everyone.
The B340 motherboard (B45M2) is 3000 series ready.
Thanks for the reply Luke! If it's not too much to ask, what day are you up to for picking?
Almost all of our existing orders other than the last day or so are awaiting the 3500X CPU which is due to start arriving early next week, so we have a lot of prebuilt systems awaiting CPU and it's a little out of whack at the moment.
But for non 3500X we are at approximately 7 business days still. There are exceptions as always but a lot of stock is arriving start of the month as well.
I wish I waited a while before buying the 2700-5700 PC. This is amazing.
That one was a killer deal! I think we lost money lolololol 🤪
It sure was, cheers for that.
I think this would be better if it was a 3600+5700. That motherboard really can't support OCing the 3700x according to the VRM tier list. The 3600 wouldn't push the VRMs that much. Otherwise, you're saving 200 bucks if you were buying them from a store.
The current TechFast B450 option is: MSI B450M Pro-M2
The X570 option (my guess) would be: MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus or Gaming Edge
Honestly, I doubt anyone buying this would overclock 3700X. Also, you don't really gain that much from overclocking Ryzen 3xxx series CPU.
Eh. Overclocking the 3700x (or any 3000 series chip) barely does anything
Hey techfast
Which model is the GTX 1660?
I am in for a multi monitor setup not for gaming so need to know how many HDMI/DP it has!!
Hmm, I nearly bought the $899 deal last night, talked myself out of it at the last moment.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/491169
Now I'm staring at this one and going through all the same pros and cons :/
Me too. I'm coming from i5 4590 / Radeon 290. I'm staring at all the sub-1200 AUD builds.
The other deal is faster for gaming (don't like the case at all though). This one is a bit all over the place. It comes down to whether 8C/16T CPU is enticing enough for you to spend the extra. Most people don't benefit from 3700X and unlike 3500X / 3600, you are definitely paying a premium for it.
@netsurfer yeah I felt the $899 deal maybe a better one for the bit of gaming I get into. I'm currently rocking an oc'd i5 2500k and r9 290, so I mean either of these deals are a serious upgrade, ha.
Hmm
I haven't had an AMD pc for over 10 years, but I remember that they were pretty loud compared to Intels. Is that still the case? (Pun not intended).
No it the other way now. Intel are hotter with their monolithic chips. Ryzen is all chiplet now.
It depends more on the graphics card nowadays and the power supply. This CPU comes with a nice cooler.
The thing which annoys me more is coil whine (which can be a pain to pinpoint which component is causing it). Loud noise is bad too - though it tends to be a lousy designed graphics card that sounds like a jet engine taking off.
From experience, make sure you're prepared to pay the shipping back if anything goes wrong over the first year (Had to send mine back after a month as it was faulty cost me $78 bucks) and also when it comes back make sure everything is in there. Had my PC sent back missing my Ram upgrade.
Although if you have to deal with anyone when getting it repaired, talk to Luke he's a lot more helpful then the others you get.
So service is only received if you ask on a public forum?
TechFast staff, from my past experience, were helpful. However, you get better service from Luke. It's a bit difficult to explain. Basically, I would say that Luke has more experience dealing with these things and can decide / come up with a resolution quicker.
And, no, you don't post them as OZB deal comments or forum. Just directly message Luke. Your priority is to resolve the issue, not to let the world know what's going on (pretty sure the last thing TechFast wants is for a PC or component sold to a buyer failed). Also, OZB comments / forums aren't exactly easy to track conversations. Make your own life and Luke's life easier.
Thank you.
EBay or PayPal should have helped there.
If it was faulty you should have been able to claim shipping costs…
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees…
You are entitled to recover reasonable postage or transportation costs from the business if the product is confirmed to have a problem, so keep your receipts.
If you buy assembled and SSD dies, you have to send back whole system?
If you buy unassembled and SSD dies, only have to send the SSD back?
Is the warranty period the same in both these instances?
We work to minimize inconvenience where possible. If we can confidently identify the issue with the customer in the field, and they are comfortable installing themselves (under instruction if required), we can and do send replacement components.
The return to base warranty is common, customer covers return freight and we cover repair and return to customer.
With unassembled systems we honor manufacturer warranty but our assembled system warranty does not apply (as we didn't assemble it). We may need to examine the component and if user error/damage is identified there will most likely be warranty implications.
"customer covers return freight"
Luke. See that right there is completely unacceptable. If there is a problem with the PC covered under warranty, the customer should not be out of pocket. Thanks to Speedster for his comment above regarding ACL and customer rights straight from ACCC. But I will quote a bit more detail:
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees…
"You are entitled to recover reasonable postage or transportation costs from the business if the product is confirmed to have a problem, so keep your receipts.
When a product is too large, too heavy or too difficult to remove, the business is responsible for paying the shipping costs or collecting the product within a reasonable time of being notified of the problem"
I don't care how cheap your products are. If you can't honour consumer law, I'm not interested in doing business with you. That is not a corner you should ever be cutting!
Having just pulled the trigger on 2 i7 gaming PCs with 2080 Super, I'm very glad I didn't go ahead with any of the many, many times I customized a system and added it to my cart. I would have saved about $300 on each system for something comparable from you but I am in driving distance from the PC store I bought from, and it's a 2 year warranty.
What does it cost to ship a product back to you, never mind the delays in shipping even if it all goes smoothly?
Just asking for a friend over here.
But you are happy to return back to the PC store you brought it from because its in driving distance?
but I am in driving distance from the PC store I bought from
You are willing to pay petrol to send the item back to the PC store. Don't know about you, no PC stores have ever paid for my petrol cost when I returned the faulty item back. I often had to wait in a queue. Some stores have re-stocking fee charges. There was once where I had a coil whine issue (and because I only brought the faulty part back NOT my whole PC - and I couldn't re-produce the issue with the store's test setup - different motherboard and different CPU) - I had to take the re-stocking option and paid the penalty. The new/replacement part did solve the coil whine issue. I can only go to computer stores on weekends, so not exactly quick to resolve the issues.
I would have saved about $300 on each system
I don't think it will cost $300 to post the system back. That's why, if you read the comment on having to return it back - the comment is more about the tedious nature to arrange it, he did not whinge or complain about the return postage.
@netsurfer: Seriously? You want to compare probably $3 in petrol to who knows how much in freight back to Adelaide?
It's called not being petty. Technically I could ask for that money back.
It is illegal to charge a re-stocking fee for a faulty item. Re-stocking fees are for change of mind.
If you can't show the item is faulty, that's an entirely different situation.
I didn't say it would cost $300 to return the system. I said I have 2 years warranty and I can take it back immediately. Nice straw man. Also I knew exactly what parts were in the PC and I had it within 2 days of ordering (because it was a weekend). I didn't have to guess which part was cheapest for the retailer to stuff into my >$2.5k machines. I willingly paid that cost up front. It wasn't an illegal charge hidden in the fine print that came to light because someone asked on a forum.
If Techfast are so willing to break consumer law, I have no confidence that they'll bend over backwards.
Same goes for Mozza88. Not going to bother with a separate reply to your "question for a friend" BS.
When people defend behaviour like this I start really wondering if there's a chance those responses aren't exactly unbiased and genuine. How the hell can you think it's a good deal when the retailer can't tell you what parts you are getting and can't abide by consumer law. All for 10%.
It is illegal to charge a re-stocking fee for a faulty item.
The alternative is to drive back, bring the whole PC, then show it to the store. Unlike you, that PC store isn't close to me. You are making it sounds like everyone has a computer store nears them that sells PC parts cheap and provide red carpet service. Not every PC failure is clear cut especially for AMD. I also have RAM modules which work perfectly fine on Intel systems but have serious issues on AMD. In order to prove it, I had to bring my whole AMD system to the store BECAUSE from past experience, their test bench for parts is intel based (and I did test the RAM modules on my intel platform - zero issue).
I have 2 years warranty and I can take it back immediately
Which computer store offer on the site replacement for 2 years warranty???? They will just send the faulty part back on your behalf to the manufacturer. Frankly, the main advantage of going through retailer is they will send the item back for you (so you save postage). The down side is the whole process is slower. And 2 years being so great? Nah, my hard drive failed after 2 years… How about the 5 years SSD warranty? 10 years warranty for power supply?
The bit you don't get is that some people value time over money. I can only go to computer stores on weekends. I am not rich like you, I need to work to put food on the table. Also, bring a desktop PC to a computer store is not fun. Don't BS that retail computer stores offer amazing after sale services. At best they pretend and some of them will ask you to wait while serving customers.
It is illegal to charge a re-stocking fee for a faulty item.
The alternative is to drive back, bring the whole PC, then show it to the store.
No. The alternative is to abide by Australian consumer law and replace or refund.
Not every PC failure is clear cut especially for AMD.
I am not talking about cases where it is not clear cut. If you can't prove the product is faulty, you have to hope whatever company sold you the product is going to stand by it. (Good luck with a company that makes you pay shipping even if you prove it is faulty). For a warranty repair the onus is on you to prove it's faulty. I'm talking about what happens with a warranty repair. If you want to have a discussion about proving it's a warranty issue, we can do that, but this isn't what I'm talking about here. (Edit: No we can't have that conversation. I don't have to discuss anything with someone who accuses me of snobbery and lying).
Which computer store offer on the site replacement for 2 years warranty???? They will just send the faulty part back on your behalf to the manufacturer.
I'm not going to name the store as I don't want to be accused of trying to drive business to a Techfast competitor. Same store has in the past replaced faulty RAM under their extended warranty over 2.5 years into a 3 year warranty. They build the PCs and support them well. I have had one bad experience with them over a $25 card reader that was faulty and that kept them away. This PC store has had deals posted on OzB.
How about the 5 years SSD warranty? 10 years warranty for power supply?
If a drive fails after 5 years and they send it away I'm not going to be too upset. If a system arrives DOA and I have to ship it back I'm going to be more than a little irritated. It's called being reasonable.
The bit you don't get is that some people value time over money. I can only go to computer stores on weekends. I am not rich like you, I need to work to put food on the table.
I work shifts so that works in my favour for returning goods. Being time poor is exactly why I went local. If I have a problem I can be confident it will be fixed quickly. You don't know me, so calling me rich actually made me laugh out loud. Mate I drive a 2005 Ford Falcon with squeaky suspension. I'd rather my kids had these PCs than spend tens of thousands on a car for myself.
Don't BS that retail computer stores offer amazing after sale services. At best they pretend and some of them will ask you to wait while serving customers.
It amazes me that you're so blind and so use to dealing with budget operators that you think it's impossible to get decent service. You will pay for it, but not through the nose.
I REALLY don't appreciate being called a liar. I'm not sure if you're a Techfast fan or a plant but either way that's all I have to say to you. You can go fly a kite!
If you are tech savy enough to diagnose the issue, pinpoint the faulty component(s), able to open the case and take the item out, then pretty sure you can arrange to just return the faulty part(s).
What if it is the worst case, the motherboard? Even if you managed to take the motherboard out, are you willing to spend the time to re-assemble the whole thing again once you get a replacement board?
People have.
People have also climbed Everest. Not everyone wants to acquire the specialized skills or attempt it.
I wouldn't be proud of the fact that you've had people rebuild a whole PC due to a warranty issue, even if it was voluntary. I know you're not going to cover any damage they do if they get it wrong!! There are very few reasons to do that if you're confident with the PC builder's warranty service and product.
Not surprised some people have. My main point is more that picking SSD failure is kinda like picking the easiest component to replace. So, I picked the most tedious one to replace just to illustrate the worst case… It's going to be time consuming for a motherboard replacement.
What if it is the worst case, the motherboard?
If originally bought unassembled, that's equivalent to buying individual components separately, so the assembly should be on you. Different story for assembled system tho.
In either case, the consumer shouldn't pay for return shipping as per AU consumer law. They need to correct their return policy.
All PC systems are covered by a one year warranty (from date of purchase). If you PC is faulty during this period, you can return it to us for repair (shipping fees may apply). https://techfast.com.au/pages/refunds-returns-policy
Have you ever taken a motherboard out of a PC and put it either in a different case or put another board into the case? Not only it is a tedious process (especially you are only do one, not assembling 10s or hundreds), it also depends on the case. Smaller cases are harder and cheap cases can be a bit annoying.
Honestly, let's try not to go overboard on the money side. If you decided to purchase TechFast systems, you would have factored in all the risks (so the savings must be worthwhile for you to commit). I am trying to highlight the actual annoying part is the "time" and "effort" you need to troubleshoot and in the worst case, remove parts carefully.
For a motherboard return, do you take the RAM out and the CPU out? If yes, you need to take decent care of those as well. Return postage isn't really the most important factor. Even if it is, try to work out a deal with TechFast and see what they said.
@netsurfer: I have and I agree it's a pain. That's why I bought a prebuilt system and not unassembled. Although I don't mind troubleshooting it myself and returning just the parts, it's nice to have the option to send back the whole system to be fixed.
I actually did receive a PC with faulty GPU from techfast but sent the whole system back just in case there are other problems. Also, the return shipping was free.
@MagicMushroom: I think we need to look at the whole thing sensibly.
If it is dead on arrival, then TechFast should really consider paying for return postage.
However, if it is warranty repair, then it is not so clear cut. For example, when returning my Samsung SSD for warranty repair, Samsung did not pay for my postage. They did upgrade the SSD. Western Digital sent me a refurbished HDD that was noisy and died after 6 months. They too, didn't pay postage.
So, if the fault is caused by TechFast, then TechFast should pay return postage. But, if you want them to troubleshoot for you for a warranty repair, it gets tricky. If you are tech savvy, you could go direct to the manufacturer.
Reality is warranty repairs are never fun and if you really want complete care for 2 years, then maybe buy from a store is better.
There is one more twist though, I think some of the parts used by TechFast, you need to send back to TechFast for warranty repairs.
@magicmushroom, @syousef, @all
Complicated area and deserving of a detailed response. Not sure if here is the most appropriate place for an extended discussion, but I can say that our policy has been verified by the local body here in South Australia, and we will be following it up federally to ensure it is indeed compliant nationally.
I would point out our warranty also contains the following stating that nothing therein contravenes or excludes your rights.
Competition and Consumer Act
Nothing in this document excludes, restricts or modifies any condition, warranty, statutory guarantee, right or remedy, implied or imposed by common law, statute or regulation which cannot be lawfully excluded, restricted or modified, which may include the Competition and Consumer Act 2010 (Cth) and corresponding provisions and relevant laws containing implied terms and/or statutory guarantees which operate to protect the purchasers of goods and services in various circumstances.
Many factors can contribute along the way to any one individual circumstance.
I would also say that, demonstrably, I am and we as a business are here to provide excellent service in addition to the lowest prices in the market, and we receive very, very few complaints to the contrary, and zero official regulatory body complaints. Not everything is perfect but many here have previously attested to levels of support they have received, regularly saying it is beyond that they've found elsewhere.
But I'm looking into it.
@luketechfast: Indefensible.
we receive very, very few complaints to the contrary
REALLY? Are you freaking kidding me?
You're sitting at 95% on Ebay. How low does it have to go before you take away one of those "verys"?
3 out of 5 on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/pg/techfastau/reviews/
Youtube and Whirlpool feedback
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2736800
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBbzaLNO8iM
You're no longer on productreview.com.au. I won't speculate what happened with that.
Look I get that you're a budget company and you're not going to get full service experience at budget prices. Warranty repairs happen but if your quality is decent the rate should be low and you should be able to absorb those costs without massive increases to the system prices. But to claim your feedback is great when people have tried to praise you for every little improvement from a horrible start on Ozbargain is just….well I'm beyond words and beyond wasting any more time.
The thing that drives me mad is that the corners you've chosen to cut have undermined your product. You had to be dragged kicking and screaming to start offering cases that aren't a nightmare to work with and cause components to run hot enough to prevent them meeting their potential. I don't get that. There isn't a budget shopper alive that wouldn't pay $20-$30 extra for a system that is hassle free, works correctly and doesn't overheat.
I'm unlikely to ever deal with you so I'm just going to stop looking at what you have to offer and commenting.
@syousef: Your comments are all reasonably made, but I disagree. What I will point out is that everything on those links is from early this year and we have made significant improvements that is now reflected in product quality and customer sentiment here and elsewhere.
We'll continue to improve and hopefully one day you'll give us a go.
@syousef: Somebody sounds like a kid who didn't get their happy meal toy. Just remember
Any day you wake up breathing is a good day.
Somebody sounds like a kid who didn't get their happy meal toy. Just remember
Any day you wake up breathing is a good day.
Somebody sounds like a fool that doesn't mind being scammed. Well then since you don't mind being ripped off, I have a bridge to sell you. (I hear that trolls like them for some reason). Just $2999.99 while stocks last. I'll even throw in a free happy meal, but I'm keeping the toy. Does my deal violate Aussie consumer law? Whoopsie. My bad. Hey, you're still breathing right? Stop complaining!
Oz BARGAIN. Not OZ Cheap and Nasty.
@syousef: Mate, I can understand you are cynical about TechFast's service. I have limited dealing with TechFast. Luke and his team did provide great after sales service to me. I just want to point out one thing - PayPal (use it if you are so scared).
We do see OZB feedback comments on them. No major alarm, not recently at least. Yes, some people complained about their previous cheap case but you get the sense that people were aware of the subpar quality. Basically, you get what you paid for. TechFast did change the case now and it isn't easy to fault their current choice I think.
While I get you points, you also need to be fair. At the price they are offering, they are basically offering a Ryzen 3xxx based system at a price that no other retailer can match. The price gap is generally substantial. Something has to give and it's normally motherboard and case. We can understand the reason behind that - because to general public, those two often have the least importance. If you are tech savvy, then you obviously would upgrade to something different.
Warranty - it is fine to highlight the issue to people, but ultimately, it is up to people to decide. There is no need to go overboard on this though. It is a PC and value of PC drops quickly, especially after 1 year.
At the end of the day, TechFast is offering deals that no other makers are offering. Obviously, it's not suitable for everyone (yes, we can guess why others won't bother with this model and some of us obviously don't think it is the right model). However, I don't think we get to take away that option from other people, especially if we were not the intended target customers anyway.
@netsurfer: Did you see the recent Ebay deal on the front page by a certain major PC manufacturer (that I grant you has its own issues but has 99.1% feedback vs 95% on Ebay for Techfast)? I grant you that Techfast prices are good until you start taking up the upgrades. But "offering deals that no other makers are offering". Sure but others do occasionally offer as good or better?
…and I'm not taking away anyone's option to do anything by pointing out an issue. It's your money. Spend it as you will.
@syousef: You might not be taking away anyones options but you are def trying to detour sales.
You posted the companies facebook score but literally failed to mention it was based on two peoples opinion of the company. Kind of misleading isn't it.
You posted that whirlpool feedback. Literally one person wrote a comment about how his PC never arrived and when it did it was missing a part. Other than that everyone else seemed fine with what they were given.
To me it seems like you are honestly trying to get people to not buy from the company because you don't like the replies from Luke. Correct me if I am wrong and hopefully we can figure out how to get you that happy meal toy.
You might not be taking away anyones options but you are def trying to detour sales.
Stating that violating consumer law and cutting the wrong corners causes problems is trying to "detour sales".
You posted the companies facebook score but literally failed to mention it was based on two peoples opinion of the company. Kind of misleading isn't it.
You sure you want to talk about misleading? Okay let's do it.
There use to be heaps of negative feedback on sites like ProductReviews till it magically disappeared.
One thing that hasn't disappeared is the 95% feedback on Ebay. Here's some detail.
https://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&…
You want to tell me that's just one or two people. YOU KNOW that people are having issues but you're trying to make it sound like I'm some crackpot and people who buy Techfast rarely have a problem.
Are you sure you'd like me to dig up more negative feedback? It's pretty damn hard to thoroughly cleanse the web. Would you like me to go digging on Wayback machine? Or find more negative feedback on Whirlpool or elsewhere? Because I'm sure you'd just accuse me of trying to "detour sales". Or the good old "oh but that's old feedback, we've changed" routine will come up.
My only motivation is that I'm genuinely appauled by what I've seen and feel duped that I nearly bought so many times without fully understanding the policies. There's nothing I've highlighted here that isn't public knowledge.
I wouldn't be writing this if you didn't keep responding with your snark. Are you sure you're helping your buddies at Techfast with your "defense"?
I wasn't talking about your comments in regards to consurmer law. I was talking about your entire negative feedback post.
Yes I would like to continue on your miss leading information because anyone who can do their own research can see how full of shit you are. "One thing that hasn't disappeared is the 95% feedback on Ebay" Sure mate. Here is another stat for you
Techfast Ebay reviewers that make the 95 percent score.
1,180 - Positive
45 - Neutral
56 - Negative
To me that looks damn impressive for a company that provides a cheap computer with cheap parts. Guess those 56 negative reviews outweigh the 1,180 positive.
I would like you to dig up whatever you think is necessary so I can once again pull you up on your detour and show people the right information without being biased. I am just pointed out your mistakes just like you enjoy pointing out other peoples errors. Have a nice day champ
@Mozzlah: Let me get this straight: You are seriously arguing that a 95% feedback score on Ebay is "impressive". And you think I am being misleading? Are you drunk?
@syousef: No I am purely stating the facts of that 95 percent score. Once again just in case you cant read stats
1,180 - Positive
45 - Neutral
56 - Negative
Looks pretty decent to me. Just because you don't think its not impressive doesn't mean anyone else needs to be a sheep. Unlike you I will prefer to look at the stats that make up that 95 percent score or the 3 star review on facebook.
@Mozzlah: Clearly you failed basic comprehension because you in fact aren't just stating the facts. You're drawing the conclusion that those stats are good. In fact there are plenty of Ebay sellers with much, much better scores. You don't know the difference between stating a fact and an opinion and you're being snarky about my reading ability. Think about that for a second, genius. You'll have to forgive me if I don't place any stock whatsoever in what looks "pretty decent" to you.
Doing only slightly better than 1 in 10 people being moderately or completely unhappy doesn't sound great to me at all. (With less rounding 3 or 4 out of every 100 completely unhappy. 3 or 4 slightly unhappy. 92 willing to give positive feedback). On a system notorious for sellers soliciting positive feedback, no less.
Quit wasting my time. You're not even good at trolling, nevermind stats.
@syousef: Honestly my parents taught me to never argue with a stupid person. They will bring me down to their level and beat me with stupidity.
That pretty much sums up everything you just posted. Just like you I wouldn't place any stock in what comments you make because at the end of the day no one is right or wrong. But you are clearly not providing the full information and half truths. That has already been proven and not just a opinion. We can do this all day. Seems like you have plenty of time on your hands and are very keen to try and prove a non existent point.
Honestly my parents taught me to never argue with a stupid person.
…as opposed to a genius that can't tell the difference between a fact and an opinion or conclusion? Is pointing that out bring you down to my level huh?
If you're going to call me a liar, have the common decency to back it up. Please point me to a "half truth". Disagreeing with you doesn't count as a half truth. But what do I expect from someone that's proven they don't know the difference between fact and opinion.
We can do this all day. Seems like you have plenty of time on your hands and are very keen to try and prove a non existent point.
Are you even aware of the irony of continuing a conversation with someone then accusing them of having plenty of time on their hands when they reply? Oh sorry did my logic bring you down to my level again?
If the point is "non-existent" why are you continuing to reply? Which point are we talking about? My breakdown of your "pretty decent" statistics?
You want to keep going with this, I'll oblige. I'm just playing spot the logical fallacy with your posts now.
@syousef: Just provide the deal so I can have a look and decide. It'd better not be a Dell.
You are not being objective. "Your PC store" does not equal to everyone's PC store. You are making it sounds like every retail PC store is so great. You are over-hyping other retailers and online sellers. Also, as if everyone's PC store stocks every item you need. For a quality case and power supply, I had to visit two different stores (and neither is close to me). Not every one is like you and have a super duper PC store near by.
until you start taking up the upgrades
Mate, this is the bit I don't get you. Are you pretending to ignore the obvious - i.e. what TechFast deal is all about and how they actually managed to sell systems at this price?
In my case with TechFast, TechFast paid for the return postage. Luke even went a bit further for me. The whole refund process was better than Amazon, in which Amazon USA didn't refund the return postage properly (due to forex, I was worse off) - that was for Amazon USA sending me the wrong item.
And, let's be fair here. True, the previous PC case was !@#!@ but the case for this deal (as much as I want to nitpick) is pretty fair. Give TechFast some credit for improving.
Mate, this is the bit I don't get you. Are you pretending to ignore the obvious - i.e. what TechFast deal is all about and how they actually managed to sell systems at this price?
Their reasoning behind their business model doesn't help the customer get a decent PC. It isn't relevant to the customer.
No I absolutely don't understand how a company that makes PCs quickly and cheaply can charge $189 to add a 1TB hard drive. That's a $70 part. Nor do I understand why upgrading to 3200 memory requires a very expensive motherboard upgrade (with the board over $300 for that speed increase - same size memory). If you can't do better than that, what are you doing building cheap PCs??? I think the business model has a lot more to do with the psychology of drawing people to a cheap initial price than technical limitations or assembly workflow costs.
Re your return postage. I'm glad to hear they at least sometimes do the right thing.
Amazon US isn't bound by Australian consumer law. If you buy from overseas, that's on you.
@syousef: Re: your #1, you can get your definition of decent PC from them, but the price won't be competitive enough for you to pull the trigger. Why? You know they are doing bulk buy deals so if you changed bits and pieces, all their bulk buy discounts are gone. That's why I asked you: do you think it is okay for others to have a chance to go for their bulk buy discount deals? Yes, at times, we might feel they really cut very close to the bone or maybe even cut into the bone a bit. However, deep down, we have to admit that bit of slight performance penalty could be offset quite easily by being able to include a faster graphics card at the same price.
Re: #2 - You don't understand or you just cannot help bashing TechFast further. It's a combination of two things: 1. their system / pricing setup for deals is too primitive and 2. they really want you to stay with their default bulk buy deal (coz. that's how they pass on their savings).
If someone really wanted to buy a customised build from Techfast and find their system went a bit crazy unreasonable, contact Luke to see if he can do better. While TechFast and I have had our differences, I do find Luke is very reasonable and try to do the right thing and get things resolved quickly. It is tough to be a small business in Australia. Don't punish TechFast for trying.
but the price won't be competitive enough for you to pull the trigger.
- You can't have it both ways. I was clearly willing to pay more elsewhere for something I could rely on.Why? You know they are doing bulk buy deals so if you changed bits and pieces, all their bulk buy discounts are gone.
First of all they do allow you to make changes, so that's baloney right there.
Secondly bulk deals don't explain why a hard drive upgrade costs double what it would cost in any "overpriced" PC shop with a storefront.
That's why I asked you: do you think it is okay for others to have a chance to go for their bulk buy discount deals?
It's not a deal if it's a lemon.
It's not a deal if your savings are eaten up shipping the machine back for a problem that is the manufacturer/retailer's fault.
However, deep down, we have to admit that bit of slight performance penalty could be offset quite easily by being able to include a faster graphics card at the same price.
I don't have a problem with Techfast making a living, or with the performance depending on price, so I don't know what your point is here.
Re: #2 - You don't understand or you just cannot help bashing TechFast further. It's a combination of two things: 1. their system / pricing setup for deals is too primitive and 2. they really want you to stay with their default bulk buy deal (coz. that's how they pass on their savings).
Again, you can't have it both ways. They offer the upgrade, so clearly they can do it. Their default spec is bare minimum so what you're telling me when you say "they really want you to stay with their default bulk buy deal (coz. that's how they pass on their savings)." is that they really want you to buy crappy cheap PCs. You're really not helping them here.
If someone really wanted to buy a customised build from Techfast and find their system went a bit crazy unreasonable, contact Luke to see if he can do better.
If they "can do better" that should be what they offer. I shouldn't have to try to haggle for a PC. You are trying to have it both ways again btw. They can't afford to customize the PC, but if I haggle they can? Really? Seriously do you even believe what you are writing?
And they are targeting people that aren't enthusiasts and don't know what to ask for nor understand the parts well enough to do price comparisons. Kinda predatory, in my opinion. If maccas kept pushing you to their $1 burger and charged $12 for their Big Mac, you wouldn't be so kind. The difference is everyone understands how burgers work.
I do find Luke is very reasonable and try to do the right thing and get things resolved quickly. It is tough to be a small business in Australia. Don't punish TechFast for trying.
Quit with the straw man after straw man BS. I'm not punishing anyone for trying. I'm not telling anyone what to do with their money. I'm pointing out that charging return shipping on a dud PC is against Australian consumer law. (Luke disagrees but it seems pretty clear cut and dried to me, though I'm no lawyer and I'm not offering legal advice). My personal opinion is that if you can't abide by the rules that every other Australian small business abides by you should GTFO. If you want to give your money to a business that acts like that, it's on you but stop whining that I've pointed it out. Likewise for pricing. If it's a deal people will still make up their minds and buy.
@syousef: https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees…
"Returning the product
You are entitled to return a product if you believe that there is a problem. You are generally responsible for returning the product if it can be posted or easily returned. You are entitled to recover reasonable postage or transportation costs from the business if the product is confirmed to have a problem, so keep your receipts.
When a product is too large, too heavy or too difficult to remove, the business is responsible for paying the shipping costs or collecting the product within a reasonable time of being notified of the problem. Examples include:
a wide screen TV
a bed
an extension ladder stuck in the extended position
a product that has been subsequently installed, like a stove or a dishwasher.
You do not have to return products in the original packaging in order to get a refund.
If the product is found not to have a problem, you may be required to pay the transport or inspection costs. An estimate of these costs should be provided to you before the product is collected, and the costs must not be inflated in an attempt to deter you from pursuing your claims."
@AEKaBeer: Yes I and others posted part of that plus the link elsewhere in the thread. What exactly is your point? We were specifically discussing the case when the PC has a warranty problem. I completely accept that if it's not a warranty issue you can't expect Techfast to pay for shipping.
@syousef: I didn't see the link, I was just providing the text. I think we can agree a PC is just as difficult to return as a widescreen tv and at least as fragile.
@AEKaBeer: Fair enough. It's probably useful that the full text gets archived with these messages. Have a good day.
anyone else waiting for the 3600 5700/XT deal to come back?
It's kind of still there in the form of the 3500X 5700XT, where you upgrade to 3600 for an extra $150.
That said it's $50 more expensive than when they had the prev 3600 5700XT deal
I'm a tad happy this wasn't a 3600/5700 to be honest. Not sure I'd have been able to hold off from that one, lol
Any idea what motherboard is being used for the B450 upgrade? Biostar, mainstream manufacturer etc? And if Biostar which of their three models?
Obviously a lot of deals floating around from us right now - here's all our active deals: TechFast Account.
I'm gonna extend expiry dates on everything expiring tonight until the end of the weekend to give you a couple more days to pull de trigger.
Hi OP, thinking of getting a unit for videography editing. Do you have anything under $1k ?
We have lots under $1000. Check out our account link above. I'd recommend upgrading the CPU from 3500X to 3600 to get more CPU threads, and minimum 16GB RAM, possibly 32gb if budget allows.
Hi Luke,
Do you have a build for running the Adobe Applications (Premiere Pro, After Effects). Mostly 4k video editing and motion graphics. No gaming. Budget $2.5k.
I was quoted the below. But am afraid its been a while since I did a system build.
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X $599 8C/16T
Mobo: ASRock B450 Pro4 $135 2x M.2 Ports for future storage expansion
RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury HX432C16FB3K2/32 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 $265
SSD: Corsair Force Series MP510 1920GB M.2 NVME $459 3,120 TBW Endurance
GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 1660 Phoenix OC 6GB $359 Turing NVENC
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 Case Black $109
PSU: Seasonic Focus Gold 450W $99
OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home 32bit/64bit P2 USB Drive $175
Build: PCCG Full Custom System Assembly Service – 2 year warranty $149
Total: $2,349 + Shipping @ PCCG
@Dealr: Highway robbery. 3900x/1950x build from techfast is cheaper.
@Dealr: We don't offer as many customization options, but we offer a higher spec for less. Check out the R9 3900X / Threadripper 1950X deals here: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/492935.
Happy to chat over PM.
@Dealr: you might find this interesting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_HKRUPN1Mk
@gizmomelb: Legend! thanks Gizmo!