I'm looking at doing a spontaneous holiday and Hong Kong, has anyone been ?
are the protests happening everywhere? or centrally located?
are the tourist destinations still open?
Flight from SYD - HKG return is only $512 (at time of posting) on Virgin Australia, direct flight
Hotels I'm seeing Hyatt hotels @ around $200 per night. Most of the hotels I'm seeing are cheap.
Or I can hop on a ferry and go over to MACAU?
Thanks mate. I was wondering if the Hong Kong situation had resulted in any obstacles. Sounds like a goer.
how much did you pay for the hotel?
Don't know. It was an Expedia package, $2300 for flights (Virgin, direct) and a room in Novotel on Nathan Road with breakfast. For two people. Depart Sydney on 26 Sep, flying out on 1 Oct, so 5 nights.
that's not too bad..
You don’t need to have lived under democracy to be “pro” it.
True, millions were pro Communist In SE Asia especially Indonesia and have never been under Communism. Indonesia Burma , Philippines , Vietnam Malaya Singapore.
Why does one need to live under democracy to be pro democracy?
If the police has caught and charged more than half the black shirts “rioters” I presume you mean, then why has the clashes become more intense and violent? Using live bullets now instead of rubber bullets for example?
Who are the opposition leaders?, it’s been widely reported the movement has no central head figure (which is why China is so frustrated, can’t just cut the snake off by the head).
Thanks for making this into such a simple (Main) problem. You make the complex seem so simple, genius.
One live bullet. Do you know any Hong Kong Chinese.Are you Hong Kong Chinese? Many rioters are Nguen or Yuen in Cantonese. Not accepted by Australia as refugees from Vietnam.
I’m interested how you claim to know most of the names of these protestors?
I’m also dying to hear your explanation of our prior questions. You seem to be a bit like the hk government, just jumping here and there in random brain farts without proof or justification.
Is your last name Lam? Lol
Many rioters are Nguen or Yuen in Cantonese
To clarify, are you saying their last names are Nguen, and that it's pronounced Yuen in Cantonese?
@idonotknowwhy: Yes
As quoted below.
"This is widely circulated in SE Asia and Australia among the SE Asian Chinese community.
Maybe not true because the SE Asian Chinese cannot believe Chinese black shirts are so violent.
As you know Joshua Wong is banned in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and Thailand".
Maybe it is spelt Nguyen
As you know the huge majority of boat refugees 87 % are Teochiu and Cantonese Chinese from Vietnam not Vietnamese who fled with the Americans.
As you know Joshua Wong is banned in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and Thailand
You do realise why they don’t let him in right? Middle land has great economic reach, fear of displeasing them is well and truely alive.
When money speaks, individual freedoms are repressed
One live bullet vs a steel pipe. You know what US cops would do?
I am Australian Chinese ex British subject boarding school Scots College since 1958 never been to China speak Cantonese not Mandarin my father fought the Japanese then the Communists. I have lived in HK, my daughter is permanently there. Lived in France UK and Germany and speak German and French Ask others Google more and learn about the various people behind the scenes. Do you know when we meet our friends we laugh at people like you. The refugees by boat laugh at you too, There was a Foreign correspondent TV in 1986 which showed one of the boat people being asked why she wanted to go to Australia, she said it is a gold mountain. The translator said she loves democracy. Everyone was beaming.
The riots are decreasing. Many hard core are remnants of accepted by Australia as refugees from Vietnam. Surname Nguen or Yuen in Cantonese.
Just you wait once the emergency laws are enacted ie British colonial law. The riots will stop as they did in the 1997.
the rioters are leftover Vietnamese refugees? that's new, haven't read about that even from the pro-Beijing media.
anyway, maybe because they have a more recent memory of suffering under the communist regime, therefore are fighting hard to not go back to the old ways again?
eitherway, they would've been living in HK for over 30 years and are now locals whichever way you look at it.
anyway, for someone who has been here since 1958, your English still sound kinda…… HK?
Wasn't a steel pipe. It was actually a rubber hose.
I'm still not saying that the police were wrong given the circumstances he was in, but that's the fact.
@whooah1979: Perhaps by the others who hit him, but not the guy that actually got shot. Just to make it clear, I think out of all examples of police misbehaviour this was not really one of them.
@asdffdsa: I would say that the HK police is showing a lot of restraint with only discharging one round. The police in the USA would’ve emptied a clip or two.
Did you watch the video of the young boy who got shot in the thigh? Yeah, real police brutality eyeroll.
Video of lone off duty police officer protecting himself after being stuck in traffic and mobbed
Show me the video of what happened directly before that and I’ll show you the truth.
It’s highly unusual for off duty officers to carry their gun in plain sight (I mean, if you saw a plain clothed dude carrying gun anywhere, you’d be worried worried)
My understanding is police officers are working 12-16 hour shifts, eating lunch out of rice boxes and exhausted.
Why an off duty police officer would roam around where protests are known to frequent at night on his day (lets be honest, it’s a few hours they have off these days) off, sparks great intrigue.
Wouldn’t you want to rest and spend time with family and whinge about the bastards that constantly attack you?
I’d Love to hear a rational explanation mate.
What's wrong with shooting a crazed attacker armed with a steel rod? Would the attacker got anything different if he had done it in a western country?
If you looked up Yellow Vest you'll learn that up to 10 deaths have been linked to it. Compare that to HK you'll know where police brutality really is.
There is a lot more lead involved in western countries.
@whooah1979: Exactly. Not necessarily saying violent protesters don't deserve to be shot, but the double standards is disgusting.
What's wrong with shooting a crazed attacker armed with a steel rod?
if nothing is the answer you imply, I wonder why more police haven't been shot.
There's been 10x more footage of (many) police with a baton bashing unarmed and curled up people. Should shoot all those cops, right?
If you looked up Yellow Vest you'll learn that up to 10 deaths
10 deaths linked to deaths, from what I read many were due to traffic accidents and heart attacks. Are you suggesting police in Europe dish out heart attacks and use vehicles to run people over? lolz, you're not just bad company, you're bad for my mental health.
Should shoot all those cops, right?
Beating up a police officer with a steel rod and then complain about getting shot. Those people really have an IQ problem.
Are you suggesting police in Europe dish out heart attacks and use vehicles to run people over?
I know it sounds ridiculous, but try and apply that scepticism towards both sides and you might learn something new.
Beating up a police officer with a steel rod and then complain about getting shot. Those people really have an IQ problem.
Did I complain about it? I'm simply putting it out there that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Look at it from both sides (oh wait, you do that already don't you?, but do you? really?)
maybe you should read some facts, here's a commentator who is present.
Look at it from both sides (oh wait, you do that already don't you?, but do you? really?)
Yes. On the one hand, the CCP doesn't have the best track records. On the other hand, some "protesters" really stepped out of the line and deserved to be subdued with force.
maybe you should read some facts, here's a commentator who is present.
At least some of that stuff are facts, but I can't help but wonder why they are all one sided arguments. Like, did this post mention any wrong doings of protesters at all?
I can't help but wonder why they are all one sided arguments. Like, did this post mention any wrong doings of protesters at all?
Well, I don't know about you. But one expects police to act better than your average 18 year old, and there lies the anger amongst the people.
There's a Chinese saying, know the law break the law. If you understand that saying you can understand the people. If you can't understand the people, you won't understand the debate or the arguments.
@cloudy: Ok, yes, one expects law enforcement officers to be better than the average, and one expects their wrongdoings to be scrutinised under a microscope.
Nothing wrong with that. But for God's sake stop pretending the protesters are innocent little lambs.
please stop calling them pro democracy as they have never lived under democracy
???
Their demands include universal suffrage. That's democracy 101 - I'm guessing something you take for granted.
No, I am nearly 80, My father and I fought for democracy in real wars against Japanese and communists and Islamists. I have witnessed part of Gerakan 30S where 800k died. I have buried hundreds in unknown graves.
I am Australian Chinese ex British subject boarding school Scots College since 1958 never been to China speak Cantonese not Mandarin my father fought the Japanese then the Communists. I have lived in HK, my daughter is permanently there. Lived in France UK and Germany and speak German and French Ask others Google more and learn about the various people behind the scenes. Do you know when we meet our friends we laugh at people like you. The refugees by boat laugh at you too, There was a Foreign correspondent TV in 1986 which showed one of the boat people being asked why she wanted to go to Australia, she said it is a gold mountain. The translator said she loves democracy. Everyone was beaming.
The riots are decreasing. Many hard core are remnants of accepted by Australia as refugees from Vietnam. Surname Nguen or Yuen in Cantonese.
Just you wait once the emergency laws are enacted ie British colonial law. The riots will stop as they did in the 1997.
No, I am nearly 80, My father and I fought for democracy in real wars against Japanese
impressive! considering you would've had been around 5 years old back in 1945?
If true then I respect the plights you've fought but I'm surprised you don't show more sympathy for what Hong Kong is fighting for.
@chriise: Sensible question.
1 I doubt whether the rioters are fighting for democracy, wanton destruction
2 The huge silent majority "the masses" being Chinese or Asians do not have the luxury to be or are not political. They just want to make a living which is hard in Hong Kong as the economy depends on China.
Those who already qualify for British passports allowing them to move to UK should
be given them. UK would not.
In fact a real help would be for Australia to offer to take in refugees. eg students from Hong Kong.
Silence from Dutton?
Says who? Do you know any HK people. Most of my Friends from the Chinese Church are from HK.
No, I am nearly 80, My father and I fought for democracy in real wars against Japanese and communists and Islamists. I have witnessed part of Gerakan 30S where 800k died in 2 weeks . I have buried hundreds in unknown graves.
I am Australian Chinese ex British subject boarding school Scots College since 1958 never been to China speak Cantonese not Mandarin my father fought the Japanese then the Communists. I have lived in HK, my daughter is permanently there. Lived in France UK and Germany and speak German and French Ask others Google more and learn about the various people behind the scenes. Do you know when we meet our friends we laugh at people like you. The refugees by boat laugh at you too, There was a Foreign correspondent TV in 1986 which showed one of the boat people being asked why she wanted to go to Australia, she said it is a gold mountain. The translator said she loves democracy. Everyone was beaming.
The riots are decreasing. Many hard core are remnants of accepted by Australia as refugees from Vietnam. Surname Nguen or Yuen in Cantonese.
Just you wait once the emergency laws are enacted ie British colonial law. The riots will stop as they did in the 1997
Assuming you are right. HK depends on China economically. All China has to do is to switch off HK economically
Did you read the Singapore Minister's comments re capital flowing to Singapore? Nada, capital flows to China.
I have a number of post graduate degrees and life experience. I dont just read Western news
I am in HK right now.
Age does not make you wise.
You may know history, but you don't know what is happening right now.
@redslert: I am under the impression Chinese respect age otherwise a fair comment.
The thing I do not understand is you cannot change the political landscape so those unhappy should emigrate as thousands did and still do.
I know millions emigrated from the Qing. My grandparents house was next door to where Sun Yat Sen hid.
If you cannot you just bear it like possibly millions still do. Most people I know cannot.
If one is already in Australia as a student or on other visas, one should try for a PR visa.
Posting aggressive unpleasant comments would not put one in the good books of Mr Dutton of Homeland Security. Recent news had a HK activist stopped from entry by intelligence sources. They know. Australia does not want trouble. The government monitors social posts and they can (not saying they are doing) trace the source of these troublesome comments and keep them in a database. It is his job.
i'm going with greywise here. (in regards to the age thing, not sure about his other statements)
I remember when I was 8, went to the GP, informed by Dr Google beforehand.
Only thing the GP said to me was, sometimes too little knowledge is not a good thing.
That piece of advice in my daily life and how I obserb people behave in blue collar and c suite level is vividly repeatedly on a daily basis by how little informed people are, or how well informed they think they are. everyday I take a lesson which would make be insanely wrong from the week before, but life is about making mistakes and learning from them. the issue comes when people repeat mistakes.
you cannot declare you know everything when you are young. you are mostly fueled with hormones, feelings, emotions and the boldness and audacity of thinking you are right. remember, everything you see, is merely a perspective, not the truth.
Says who? Do you know any HK people. Most of my Friends from the Chinese Church are from HK.
No, I am nearly 80, My father and I fought for democracy in real wars against Japanese and communists and Islamists. I have witnessed part of Gerakan 30S where 800k died in 2 weeks . I have buried hundreds in unknown graves.
I am Australian Chinese ex British subject boarding school Scots College since 1958 never been to China speak Cantonese not Mandarin my father fought the Japanese then the Communists. I have lived in HK, my daughter is permanently there. Lived in France UK and Germany and speak German and French Ask others Google more and learn about the various people behind the scenes. Do you know when we meet our friends we laugh at people like you. The refugees by boat laugh at you too, There was a Foreign correspondent TV in 1986 which showed one of the boat people being asked why she wanted to go to Australia, she said it is a gold mountain. The translator said she loves democracy. Everyone was beaming.
The riots are decreasing. Many hard core are remnants of accepted by Australia as refugees from Vietnam. Surname Nguen or Yuen in Cantonese.
Just you wait once the emergency laws are enacted ie British colonial law. The riots will stop as they did in the 1997
Assuming you are right. HK depends on China economically. All China has to do is to switch off HK economically
Did you read the Singapore Minister's comments re capital flowing to Singapore? Nada, capital flows to China.
I have a number of post graduate degrees and life experience. I dont just read Western news
Still haven't explained or justified the Vietnamese refugee reference
@Spicytunaroll: This is widely circulated in SE Asia and Australia among the SE Asian Chinese community.
Maybe not true because the SE Asian Chinese cannot believe Chinese black shirts are so violent.
As you know Joshua Wong is banned in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and Thailand.
@Spicytunaroll: Many Chinese fled communist China after WW2 to Vietnam, many from the South (Guangdong region, which Hong Kong is in the vicinity of) and most spoke Cantonese. After the Vietnam war, many were repatriated into Hong Kong. I would imagine that is what is he is talking about. They're not Vietnamese and they're still Chinese nonetheless.
A million people protesting without permits makes it unlawful protests.
The force has banned many of the protests planned in recent weeks on safety grounds, but large crowds of protesters had often turned out nevertheless.
@whooah1979: Every protest with over 1 million people were approved by the police.
Again do research!
@redslert: Organisers says 1m while the police says 270k.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_protests
@whooah1979: The police counts a maximum Point in time number. Organisers count the number of attendees.
So if someone attends at 9am and leaves by lunch and someone comes after lunch police would not count both.
This is my understanding.
@cloudy: John Wu took a day of work and showed up at 09:00. Then he went for lunch and came back. He then did the same thing for dinner.
The police counted him once while the organisers counted him thrice.
@whooah1979: @greywise
Right… you believe the 'police' figures which pushes the government's narrative.
I like to have evidence based conversation.
Let me show you how the police counts, see this video:
https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/ca7tgf/this_is_ho…
Here's a Hong Kong university disproving HK police counting figures who significantly undercounts:
https://www.scmp.com/tech/start-ups/article/3019425/hong-kon…
Please STOP, you do not know what you are talking about.
Right… you believe the 'police' figures which pushes the government's narrative.
The promoters are making up numbers to drum up support for their agenda.
Thanks for sharing.
https://www.scmp.com/tech/start-ups/article/3019425/hong-kon…
C&R Wise AI’s project concluded that 265,000 people joined the protest on July 1, while organisers said 550,000 people marched and the police estimated it was 190,000. Photo: Handout
whatever you say comrade
I am 80 fought Communists have you? You read biased news believed in it. THe HK friends of mine and laughing.
so if you have fought the communist before, then why are you against the current generation fighting them now?
so you are 80? considering the Chinese civil war finished 70 years ago, you must've been fighting on the frontline at age 10?
I see from the above comments that you have also fought the Japanese? pretty impressive for a 5 year old………
@FW190: In Malaysia, my father fought the Japanese in the British Army (decorated)
I was British, came here at 14 to Scots college, returned to Malaysia and served in the Army.
Cant speak Mandarin, never been to China. In the old days the British jailed you for doing that.
Get to meet a person who has a HK friend. A HK person who will not tell you what you want to hear and laugh behind your back.
I belong to the Chinese church (ask me how when I cannot speak Mandarin) and no Hong Kong person supports independence or the rioters (this includes people married to Westerners and their Western spouses who had lived in HK.
Your "current generation" is a very small number. I was told many rioters were children of rejected Vietnamese refugees. Dont forget the bulk of boat refugees are ethnic Chinese over 87 % not Vietnamese. Dont rely on Western media, get to really know a HK person. I even read the youth shot by police was only using a PVC pole.
The huge silent majority "the masses" being Chinese or Asians do not have the luxury to be or are not political. They just want to make a living which is hard in Hong Kong as the economy depends totally on China. Those who already qualify for British passports allowing them to move to UK should be given them.
China can finish off HK economically. The Western press said investments can flow to Singapore. The Singapore minister rejected this as a dream. Businesses invest because of China proximity.
As I said why did the British change the HK passports to not eligible to live in UK
Why Australia has not been vocal about giving support (fear of students here applying for refugee status).
Ironically Carrie Lam is being urged to bring in British emergency laws to suppress as they did in 1997 where there were pro Chinese Communists riots. Many were shot. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
You must have knowledge before being skeptical.
You must have knowledge before being skeptical.
I’m skeptical of your knowledge.
Again, you fail to address the holes in your claims. Many which has been pointed out and you simply write another essay to avoid answering.
FYI, my mother born in HK, my Aunty lives in HK. My cousins, live in HK. I watched live broadcast of events, I hear from real HK people on ground zero.
@cloudy: What holes?
"You dont have to live under democracy to be pro democracy"
I dont need to have a mother born in HK etc.
I listen to my daughter in HK ground zero
what holes?
Substantiate the claim the protesters are viet.
I don’t see how listening to your daughter explains why people in HK can’t be pro democracy, please explain, I must be thick, but you seem to like typing lots, so maybe u can spend some time explaining this.
@greywise: Like cloudy said, you are just dodging the questions.
How did you fought the Japanese when you were only 5 years old?
As for fighting against the communist, I guess you could've fought the Malaysian version, but question remains - why are you against people fighting the communist now?
Anyway, which media/news outlet do you recommed for an unbias view? TVB? Sing Tao? Ta Kung Pao? Or Global Times?
As for my credentials on this topic, I was born and raised in HK, unlike you, my friends who are pro/anti protest is probably a 50/50 split. However, sounds like you are actually a Malaysian-Chinese? but yet you claim to know all about what HK people wants?
Anyway, not sure why you specifically had to mention your HK friends with western spouses are anti-protest, does being married to a westerner somehow means their opinion have more weight then the average person?
Re: alleged children of Vietnamese refugees - they would had been born and raised in HK, so why ain't they entitled to protect their home/have their voices heard?
@FW190: This boy looks like 5 or 6 and is helping his parents fighting for something.
https://youtu.be/-ki9jVLanfU
@FW190: It is obvious I combined the meaning in one sentence when I should have separated them
In Malaysia, my father fought the Japanese in the British Army (decorated)
I was British not all Malaysian can be British came here at 14 to Scots college, returned to Malaysia and served in the Army.
Educated in Australia boarding school from 1958 and UK postgraduate.
Lived in Malaysia Indonesia and Thailand in a linked family
Media/news outlet English. Cant read Chinese.
Many friends of mine are from HK in the Chinese Church. My daughter lives there. All have different opinions from you. I appreciate your honesty in telling me the 50 50 split
I am shocked at the vitriol and aggressiveness because being a 50 50 split as you accept I cannot hold a different opinion?
I am trying to understand why the HK black shirts are so aggressive.
If you are an SE Asian chinese you can understand that treatment to Chinese minorities changed when China became great.
There were massacres of Chinese in Malaysia and especially Indonesia totaling hundreds of thousands. Some were friends. eg Entire Chinese population of Lombok 40k died in 2 weeks.
They cannot change China or HK. Their best hope is to be accepted as PR and hope Homeland security and Dutton approves.
I have not been abusive or rude using filthy Cantonese language.
Why cant I express a different opinion?
@greywise: Look, I am sorry if had came across as aggressive/abusive, but obviously it is a sensitive/passionate topic for us so I could've gone overboard on many of my replies, again, sorry.
Thx for clearing up the timeline, I have the upmost respect for people who would put their lives on the line to serve their country, so my salute/ hats off to you and your dad.
And yes I have heard about the anti-Chinese riots in your region over the years(maybe that is why you are also sensitive about what is happening in HK?), the thing is, as far as I know, China never lifted a finger to help you guys, so I am not sure why there seem to be a pro-China sentiment amongst the ethnic Chinese in MY/SG/Indo/etc.
Not sure how things are now that China is on the raise but I hope things are better now.
Back on the topic of HK, other than a few odd nutters, pretty sure that most people have acceptaed that HK is part of China, no one in the protest is actually asking for independence, we just want China to honor the joint Sino-British declaration, ie no changes in 50 years, HK governed by HKers, high degree of autonomy etc etc. Maybe we are just naive, but you would think/hope an agreement between two countries actually meant something (although history has countless examples which shows otherwise).
I dare say the current protest/riots are the result of years of pent up frustration, and finally all hell has broken loose ( and no doubt some are there just to stirr up sh!t), I just hope it will end without any further bloodshed.
Anyway, again my apologies if I came across as a prick.
Fun fact: I went to the sister school of Scots in Bathurst.
@FW190: Accepted totally.
I am really nearly 80.
I lived through the White Australia Policy. We were monitored closely.
Mandela was a criminal.
At University college I was ostracised as a Commie.
Your reply is an excellent one.
@Montyjpm: This is uncalled for. Insulting and personal. If you know me you cannot afford me. I dont even know how to get paid by Beijing.
If you are an Australian PR now, you do not deserve it.
Sam, is this you? Let me know so I can ask Hong to transfer $100G to you.
Evidently you are a student, $100G HKD is about $18,800 AUD Do you know one house cost easily costs 2m AUD w/o furnishings.
Ask your parents (I know an average HK family saves and scrimps to send their son overseas)
The posts on this subject is getting ridiculous.
2.Acceptance of divergent opinion is a pre requisite to be a fit and proper person to be accepted as a PR in a democratic country like Australia. Ask Mr Dutton if he is not already monitoring this social media.;
Support the HK people by visiting. I was a resident once and have always found it very safe. If you have any concerns just avoid the protests and I am sure you will be fine.
Just avoid the metro.
Just don't wave the red flag of communist.
Love your concept of "spontaneity".
If this is not careful planning ahead and methodically researching every step I wouldn't know what to call it.
Spontaneous my foot.
Well done in doing it but please don't call it spontaneous. It is well pre-planned and carefully scheduled trip.
:-)
Hong Kong is a beautiful country, it's heartbreaking what Communist China is doing to the people of HK :(
Personally, I wasn't very impressed with Macau because I'm not into gambling.
Hong Kong is not a country. ;)
Beautiful SAR isn't as romantic.
So many people doesn't know that, it shows how informative they can be.
Yet it's considered as one in lots of computer systems.
Hong Kong is not a country, it's a region of China.
During the Opium wars when the east india company kept on getting the chinese doped on opium, China lost and had to give Hong Kong to the brits at that time. Agreement ended and england gave HK back.
HK people are probably amongst the most arrogant provinces of China as they think they are better than the rest of China because essentially they are well educated colonial prisoners….
History. Google it.
Well said. It's also a fact that HK did not enjoy democracy under British rule. In fact, HK in its current state (with its flawed democracy) is the most democratic it has ever been.
I respectfully disagree with you about Macau. The casinos aren't to everyone's taste but the area around St Paul's Cathedral ruins is gorgeous (don't go on a mainland China public holiday though). It was much cheaper to get around than HK, too.
Avoid central and protest area you should be fine e. No one will attack tourists. Cheers.
My suggestion: Don't go for tourist reasons,lots of shops in central area may jot run normal business hours due to protest.
There should be minimal issue for work trip. Watch out Smarttraveller for official advice.
Unless you're a mainland Chinese tourist.
Unless you are a mainland chinese tourist and decide to attack the protesters and destroy the lennon walls
when i was there last week there were mainland tourists, some were very vocal about their support of hong kong. as long as you don't go looking for a fight you will be fine
lol. Did any mainland tourists attack protesters at the airport back in AUG? They got themselves beaten up anyway.
You are just brainwashing every one here how peaceful it is, but truth to be told, it's not.
@illuSion: Im not saying its completely peaceful at all
as i mentioned if you don't go around looking for a fight you won't get one
@macdaddyjordan: It's always the tourists that started looking for a fight.
The protesters did not beat the tourists and did not later block the paramedics from treating him and taking him to the hospital.
It's a free city so they can do whatever they want, real democracy.
@illuSion: The 2 people who were attacked in the airport:
1) A mainland Chinese police officer with hidden weapons in his backpack. That's why he was beaten.
2) A mainland journalist who refused to identify himself and then had a t-shirt which was linked to mainland gangsters who attacked people in HK.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3022838…
Let's post some facts first.
@redslert: Read it carefully
'They searched his belongings and found his ID card and travel documents, which they claimed matched the name of an officer from Futian police station in Shenzhen.
The words of rioters are accepted?
@maxdba: You just labelled something 'fake news', how about posting some evidence for your statement?
@redslert: lol. you guys are really being brainwashed.
1) He was later found not to be an officer at all, his ID card is issued by Chinese police was the only reason protesters would think he works for the police. But in fact, all Chinese ID cards are issued by police. These rioters are simply being ignorant.
2) He's shirt reads "I support HK police". How dose this link to the gangsters? Look, even these so-called gangsters were wearing the same cloth, it doesn't give you the right to beat him over a t-shirt.
BTW, these protesters fit the description of Gangster better than anyone. They loot shop, set fire, they beat a 70+ years old senior on the street last week. Simply because the senior was expressing his support to the police.
Shame on these rioters and the people like you who twist the fact.
I was born in Vietnam, moved to HK when I was a kid, stayed for a few years before my family moved to AU. I see HK as my second home, and these rioters ruined it.
@illuSion: 1) The person found to be mainland Chinese police had his name linked via an internet database of police names. Don't forget he had weapons in his bag.
See actual evidence here:
https://lihkg.com/thread/1462882/page/1
2) A mainland journalist who refused to identify himself and then had a t-shirt which was linked to mainland gangsters who attacked people in HK.
Please show evidence for your other statements because none of it happened and you are just making things up. I hae been able to show you actual facts and evidences for everything I say.
The amount of resentment Hong Kong people have for mainlanders is palpable. For years HKers have held their head high whilst looking down on mainlanders because they experienced some wealth, and now it's the other way around and they're mad.
Don't even try to deny there is immense animosity HKers have toward mainlanders.
Of course, I'm not talking about all, but a vast majority of people in Hong Kong still think they're better than those from the mainland.
@Munki: This is a very old view.
I would agree with you if i read this comment in the 90s and early 00s but today there are many mainland chinese people who have migrated to hk and they themselves also call them hkers and the hkers i know don't show any resentment
Views have changed over time. perhaps its the people you associate yourself with that are stuck in a time vortex?
does that view no longer exist? i would say some are still quiet backwards in their way of thinking but hkers understand that they are chinese, what they resent is the communist party
many mainlanders support the protests in hk. i was fortunate enough to meet a group whilst i was there in hk 2 weeks ago. they dare not protest back home
@jimbo jones: Yeah, it was about the table service. Not about, uhm… other service ;)