Weight Loss Technique - Cryolipolysis

mrblu on 30/09/2019 - 13:21
Last edited 30/09/2019 - 19:10

Been trying to lose weight for a long time and I think I've finally found a very effective and cheap DIY alternative that actually works for spot reduction - cryolipolysis! This has the benefit of being easy! Anyone who's got decent exercise knowledge knows that there are no spot fat reduction techniques short of expensive and dangerous lipo or ultrasonic. No dietary requirements, no exercise requirements! However, for other personal health benefits, I am still working on improving my diet and exercising.

Cold sculpting, cool sculpting, fat busting, etc.

I use dry ice packs and stick em to my body with a waist wrap for about 30-45mins. I believe this is not long enough to cause any long term damage to the skin and what happens is that the fat cells undergo apoptosis (and slight necrosis) and slowly gets removed from the body taking up to 90 days. Great for when I'm just watching tv. I've done it quite a few times and have noticed no negative effects.

I have seen people online use copper water bottles and normal ice inside.

The literature on this topic is still a bit limited but I believe there is enough to prove it's effectiveness and safety. If anyone has any knowledge or could point me where I can research more on the fundamentals of apoptosis, I would be very grateful.
This is a very good starting point: https://fellrnr.com/wiki/CoolSculpting
www.reddit.com/r/fatbusting - there are a few people sharing their success stories with pictures

edit: I just want to clarify that this is not a substitute for a good diet and exercise, it is not what I'm saying. I attribute all of my weight loss to IF/OMAD and I lift and exercise for the other benefits it brings. However, cryo has significantly reduced my manboobs and the fat around my chin.

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  • HighAndDry on 30/09/2019 - 13:23
    +11

    Honestly this would theoretically work just because it'd force your body to burn more calories to stay warm…

    • Skramit on 30/09/2019 - 13:28
      +2

      But its way cooler if you give it a fancy name - cryolipolysis!

    • mrblu on 30/09/2019 - 19:28

      If you burn more calories for your body to stay warm, and you had a caloric deficit, you would lose fat throughout your body roughly evenly. Cryolipolysis works on the spot that it is administered.

  • k-rokfm on 30/09/2019 - 13:49
    +1

    slowly gets removed from the body taking up to 90 days

    Surely this

    I am still working on improving my diet and exercising

    Would be much more effective, quicker and provide greater health benefits than sticking an ice pack to your chest?

    Is there (I havent bothered googling it yet) any research to support the idea that this helps, and if so, to what degree does it actually contribute?

    • mrblu on 30/09/2019 - 18:58

      It is far more effective to just reduce your caloric intake. It is more effective to exercise. However, this is just something extra on top. I do not believe there are any health benefits to this besides just reducing fat stoage.

      There is quite a bit of research to back this up, research suggests roughly 40g of fat loss per area administered so equivalent to around an extra ~300kcal lost.

  • bohn on 30/09/2019 - 14:03
    +3

    Been trying to lose weight for a long time

    Just eat less or exercise more.
    Use something like cronometer.com to work out exactly what you're consuming if you're unsure.

  • askme69 on 30/09/2019 - 14:19
    +12

    "Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder, but don't nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight". Not a truer statement has been made.

    Stop looking for the easy answer, do some work and sacrifice.

    • knobbs on 30/09/2019 - 14:45
      +2

      LIGHTWEIGHT!

      • kahn on 30/09/2019 - 15:23
        +2

        Yeah, budaaaaay.

    • mrblu on 30/09/2019 - 18:59

      Imagine you have some stubborn love handles that won't go away even if you reach 10% bf, this would be the perfect method to remove it.

  • seraphim2017 on 30/09/2019 - 14:47
    +1

    OP, you will need this:

    https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-first-aid-in-case-of-touch…

    There is no shortcut to success, you have to take the stairs….

    And maybe, if people TOOK the stairs, spot weight loss wouldn't be an issue!

    Seriously, all props to OP wanting to lose body fat, fair enough, but I recommend reading Darwin 'on the origin of species' before 'believing' you know what you're doing!

    What works?

    1. Eat good food at good times in appropriate amounts, and eat less than you burn (for weight reduction) or more (for mass gain)
    2. Rest and Sleep well, (edit: turn off gadgets, quiet your mind for a few minutes before sleep, get 7-8 hours at the same time each night if possible)
    3. Train appropriately for your desired outcome/experience/skill level.

    None of these can be packaged and sold to desperate mugs looking for a quick fix (note, not directed at the OP, just a general observation!) so the 'experts' tell you you need x diet or Y therapy, but if they could charge you for these 3 little nuggets of common sense, they would. In the spirit of ozbargain, miracle weight loss is akin to "have i been scammed on ebay/gumtree" or "a Nigerian Warlord wishes to give me gold bullion".

    Use your brain, unless that's where all the weight loss occurred! (note, no digs at OP, just, please if being cold worked why would polar bears be round!)

    • mrblu on 30/09/2019 - 19:17

      The dry ice packs are contained and the dry ice does not come into contact with my skin.

      I also recommend you keep an open mind before dismissing everything you read. This is not miracle weight loss. This is a minor fat spot reduction method.

  • [Deactivated] on 30/09/2019 - 14:55
    +1

    Crylipolysis works. There is a controlled temperature range and duration applied to prevent skin damage.

    Home cryolipolysis may not work and/or can cause damage.

    Be aware that many of the more credible cryolipolysis articles are studying subjects that are sedentary. There may very well be little to no benefit for someone already improving their diet and exercise.

    • mrblu on 30/09/2019 - 19:06

      The benefit is that this a spot reduction method. People with bat wings, love handles, fatty chins are all able to benefit from this method.

      • [Deactivated] on 03/10/2019 - 08:42

        You skimmed over the part where the studies that show such benefits are sampling people who are sedentary and/or unrestricted diet.

  • Bourb on 30/09/2019 - 14:56

    Check out Keto with Intermittent Fasting, it's not for everyone, but if you have will power it WILL shed the kilograms!

    • [Deactivated] on 30/09/2019 - 15:23

      Anything with the word fasting or a special diet is highly unlikely to be sustained (from memory the stats were 1 in 20 maintain after 12 months) and more than 50% will put the weight back on or even more so after 24 months.

      • idonotknowwhy on 30/09/2019 - 15:38
        +1

        Keto is easy to sustain because you can eat high fat foods like bacon!

        • [Deactivated] on 30/09/2019 - 15:44

          The key to successful ketogenesis is absence/deprivation of glucose.

          You are right, you get to eat bacon but there needs to be an absence of carbohydrates otherwise you're no longer on a keto diet. You're just pigging out.

          • idonotknowwhy on 30/09/2019 - 16:40

            @[Deactivated]: Exactly. So you can avoid shitty foods like rice and bread, then have bacon, eggs, steak, chicken, butter, cream, etc all day.

            • [Deactivated] on 30/09/2019 - 16:45

              @idonotknowwhy: Preaching to the choir. I'm a savoury person - I can have a steak for mains and a smaller steak for dessert.

              The problem with any diet, especially the keto diet is that it hinges on the absolute absence of sugars. As soon as someone cheats a little, boof, fat again.

              • ozbjunkie on 01/10/2019 - 18:09

                @[Deactivated]: While eating too many carbs may kick you out of keto, I fail to see how extra carbs while maintaining a caloric deficit will = fat again.

                Sure, you might be tired and crave even more carbs, but if you don't eat excessively, you can't get fat, regardless of the macro ratios.

                Am I mistaken?

                • [Deactivated] on 01/10/2019 - 19:39

                  @ozbjunkie: Mistaken, yes.

                  Ketogenic diet relies on the principle that the body gets trained to go straight to consuming fat and bypass energy storage mode.

                  As soon as you provide the body with carbs, it will trigger a flood of insulin.

                  The end result is feeling far more tired because the body will go for the little bit of carbs and after consuming the carbs, the insulin reaction which causes you to store the sugar and fat.

                  The body isn't quite as linear as a car. The notion of energy in energy out is only a rough guideline. Metabolism can play just as big a role.

                  • ozbjunkie on 02/10/2019 - 08:04

                    @[Deactivated]: Ok so I'm not a biologist, but let's say you're right and the body stores more carbs as fat than usual after exiting keto. If you are in a caloric deficit, then that new fat will be used as fuel, right?

                    Or are you saying that the newly stored fat will not be used as fuel by someone in a caloric deficit?

                    • [Deactivated] on 02/10/2019 - 08:17

                      @ozbjunkie: You cannot use the fat as energy during an insulin spike. It is a chemical response.

                      The body has parameters for certain functions. An insulin spike essentially shuts down the fuel pump. Also, the body has an affinity for breaking down carbohydrates.

                      Carbohydrates are far more energy efficient so that also works against the individual.

                      • ozbjunkie on 02/10/2019 - 09:16

                        @[Deactivated]: Ahh I see.

                        Makes me concerned about coming off keto. Was a great was to lose 20kgs, but I miss burgers.

                        Oh well, guess the body will just have to adjust to carbs and cop the fat increase.

                        • [Deactivated] on 02/10/2019 - 09:27

                          @ozbjunkie: It will be an adjustment.

                          I went of keto and got straight into a dad bod within a year. It's a double whammy since you not only put on more fatty tissue, you actually will feel more lethargic. Especially bad after meals.

                          I suggest when you decide to drop the keto diet (which is terrible for the liver btw), you do so slowly and try to break through that wall of lethargy after meals.

                          Good luck.

                          • kiitos on 02/10/2019 - 15:09

                            @[Deactivated]: What makes keto bad for your liver?

                            • [Deactivated] on 02/10/2019 - 15:53

                              @kiitos: In the most strict sense of a keto diet, ie. Replacing sugar with fat, nothing much.

                              This is rarely the case as keto meals would feel unsubstantial so most keto diets involve, recommend and/or require increase protein.

                              You're essentially making the whole metabolism process a liver based operation.

                              It's not similar to someone with a bum knee, they tend to wear their hip out due to compensatory movements. Your liver can burn out too…

                              • kiitos on 03/10/2019 - 08:31

                                @[Deactivated]: Thanks, that's interesting. I didn't realise carbs were processed differently from fats and proteins.

            • askme69 on 30/09/2019 - 16:50
              +2

              @idonotknowwhy: Younees to avoid saturated fat, unless healthy is not part of the equation.

          • [Deactivated] on 30/09/2019 - 22:47
            +2

            @[Deactivated]: You're pigging out on pigs.. Yum!

      • mrblu on 30/09/2019 - 19:20

        I have personally experienced this, used keto and bounced between 90kg and 70kg. I attribute all of my weight loss to fasting/OMAD and I plan on keeping on this diet forever this time. The health benefits from fasting justify the experience for me.

        • ozbjunkie on 01/10/2019 - 18:17

          When you say bounced, are you saying you used keto to get to 70, then went off keto and quickly went back to 90?

          I gained about 5 kgs after going off keto for 3 months, but was basically taking the piss eating peanut m&ms for breakfast and three large dominoes pizzas for dinner.

          Lost those 5 kgs after 6 weeks back on keto.

          Do you attribute your weight gain when going off keto to the carbs per se, or to the massive increase in caloric intake which is possible since carbs don't really satiate hunger for long?

          • mrblu on 14/10/2019 - 13:09

            @ozbjunkie: Yes I used keto to get to 70kg, and then when I stopped, it did go quickly back up to 90 then to 100+, however, whether I was on keto or another low calorie diet, it doesn't change the cause - I had a poor diet. The weight gain is attributed to increased caloric intake and nothing more.

            You can still gain weight on keto!

      • ngengerous on 01/10/2019 - 08:32
        +1

        Can confirm - it can screw with your metabolism which will store more fat than before, even while eating the same. Source: I fasted for a month once and documented the changes - interesting stuff but not at all healthy or good for weight loss.

    • mrblu on 30/09/2019 - 19:01

      I am currently cautious of keto diets as the increased meat consumption worries me. Increased consumption of processed foods is linked with numerous issues.

      IF is great and I could attribute most of my weight loss to it (doing one meal a day), however, as I said, cryolipolysis is a spot reduction method.

      Also, I want to note that when you undergo fasting, your body actually releases hormones and chemicals that promote the development of new fat cells after you break your fast. Instead of fat cells getting bigger, there are just more fat cells to store more fat. This is also why when you rebound on a diet, it looks like you get even fatter than before.

      • kiitos on 01/10/2019 - 08:06

        I've not heard of that before, so does that mean you're more likely to put weight back on and/or find it harder and harder to lose weight over time?

        • mrblu on 01/10/2019 - 11:18

          Your body undergoes a state of stress when in a fasted state and prepares for when there is food again and thus you are definitely more likely to put weight back on after you stop very low caloric diets/fasts and resume a normal diet and it appears that it will become hard to lose weight over time.

          Obviously, it can be avoided by reintroducing a higher caloric diet gradually and also the effects are minimised/negligible by following a responsible caloric diet. The body cannot store more fat than what you're eating, so even if you have more fat cells, it doesn't really matter as long as the fat cells aren't being populated and they will eventually be removed by the body naturally. Obviously, by having more fat cells in your body, it will retain more water naturally and it will 'appear' that you have gained more weight.

          That's why I'm also pursuing a spot reduction technique that will actually remove the fat cells via apoptosis entirely and I believe by combining it with fasting (which promotes apoptosis) this process is accelerated.

      • ozbjunkie on 01/10/2019 - 18:14
        +1

        Just get your fats from fish, nuts, avocado eggs, and cheese rather than red meat.

        I'm all about keto, but if I didn't enjoy eating the above, and stuck to steak, bacon and sausages, I'm pretty sure that would be playing with fire (where fire = colorectal cancer).

      • Bunnyburger on 04/11/2019 - 20:17

        Damn does this mean intermittent fasting is shit?

  • ChillBro on 30/09/2019 - 15:00

    Why aren't people in colder regions all super fit

    • bohn on 30/09/2019 - 15:15
      +4

      Because they just say No to ice.

    • orangetrain on 30/09/2019 - 15:16
      +1

      They're all skinny. They just wear more layers.

    • mrblu on 30/09/2019 - 19:04
      +1

      Because people in colder regions utilise more heating and eat more to compensate.

  • kahn on 30/09/2019 - 15:30
    +17

    Pfft, ozbarginers have been doing this for years.

    1. Sit in your favourite chair or sofa.
    2. Lean back a bit and open a tub of Connoisseur ice cream.
    3. Place the tub on your stomach and enjoy the rich creamery sugar.
    4. The coldness from the tub sheds the kilos from your gut while you eat guilt-free.
    • ChillBro on 30/09/2019 - 15:34
      +1

      I would like to offer you the job position of being my exercise instructor. Payment will be in the form of eneloops.

      • kahn on 30/09/2019 - 15:45
        +1

        https://youtu.be/Tny2ioAEiW8?t=30
        Replace the bicep curl machine with a spoonful of fat-burning ice cream and you'd get an idea of what it would be like.
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    • Cluster on 30/09/2019 - 16:54

      I surround myself with a pile of $3.75 Dr Oetker frozen pizzas

    • mrblu on 30/09/2019 - 18:55
      -1

      Exactly! You get this! /s

      But on that note, children who eat more icicles are shown to have bigger dimple areas in their cheeks.

  • AdosHouse on 30/09/2019 - 17:23

    So basically the ultimate Cryolipolysis technique is just to get into a chest freezer with an air pipe?

    • mrblu on 30/09/2019 - 19:03

      This is essentially how a lot of those cold sculpting places work, but they keep your head outside.

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