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His_Holiness on 29/06/2019 - 21:59
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@inasero: It was on the GoFundMe page that he would be able to keep any excess funds to himself. He did not state what he would do it.
As for the rest of the comment, it doesn't bother me what he thinks or if he thinks he is doing it for the benefit of society. What bothers me is using his position to spread his hate filled message.
@inasero: Maybe telling people they're going to hell for something that they cannot change is uh, kinda hateful.
@DogGunn: How is it hateful to warn someone about the consequences of their actions? Folau was simply quoting from the Bible which teaches that Hell is the natural consequence for those that reject God and continue to live in certain lifestyles. We struggle with certain inclinations such as the urge to punch someone in the face who cuts us off in traffic, or to walk off with a wallet stuffed with money we find lying on the ground. We don't indulge in those inclinations because there's such thing as moral law (or maybe you do, I don't know you, in which case more power to you).
There is such a thing as objective right and wrong, and consequences for choosing wrong. If you're going to play with fire, you're going to get burnt…just saying.
How is it hateful to warn someone about the consequences of their actions?
I know right! Folau just doesn't get it.
He got warned that if he continued he would be terminated, more than once, and he still continued his hateful bile.Oh you were talking about gay people going to hell? Ahh, one day you'll realise that people don't appreciate being proselytised. Including on OzBargain. Oh and telling people they're going to hell, is not kindness lol
@DogGunn: You seem to be fixated on the idea that Folau's posting was hateful, and don't seem to (or you're not willing to) accept that it came from a place of genuine love and concern, which I can understand.
However, as with all things, I believe the intent and context of the message are crucially important. Consider this - Folau is a committed Christian believer who holds a firm belief to the Bible he quoted from, he has never (as far as we are aware) been involved with scandals plaguing so many other public sports figures at his level and represented his sport and country with the highest integrity.
Surely that should speak more to his character and values more than the hatred and vilification that sensationalist media and corporate organisations ironically are assigning him.
You seem to be fixated on the idea that Folau's posting was hateful, and don't seem to (or you're not willing to) accept that it came from a place of genuine love and concern, which I can understand.
No, I've specifically said I don't care for Folau's reasons for posting that content. It is irrelevant in an employment dispute. It is also irrelevant in the consideration of the people to whom it targeted, notably gay people as one of them.
Consider this - Folau is a committed Christian believer who holds a firm belief to the Bible he quoted from
Given that he is covered with tattoos, something that is expressly forbidden by the Bible, I don't believe him to be a firm believer in the Bible. Rather a believer in the passages that serve his personal bias.
he has never (as far as we are aware) been involved with scandals plaguing
This is a scandal involving him.
Surely that should speak more to his character and values more than the hatred and vilification that sensationalist media and corporate organisations ironically are assigning him.
I couldn't give a rats ass about whatever corporations or the media are assigning him. I've seen his own postings, heard him speak and heard him essentially prostylitise. He is an ass through and through. He just so happens to be an ass that is good at sport, and that gives him a platform to martyr himself for any other ass out there that isn't as public as him.
I am a proud gaymer so I love this deal. No need to neg it if you don't like it because obviously it's not for you. It is like negging a tampon just because you don't menstruate.
So well said!
Probably the confusion comes from the fact that most straight gamers aren't proud straight gamers. My favourite game is Mario Kart and I choose vehicles and weapon shells based on merit and nothing to do with my bedroom antics. Personally I don't see why sexual preferences and predilections should be involved. There is a weird fascination from some to tell the world unwelcome details. I'm a clumsy lover who doesn't like post coital cuddling gamer. And proud. Is the world better for that information?
No need to neg it if you don't like it because obviously it's not for you.
You can neg the deal if your neg vote and comments meets the OzBargain criteria…
I am a proud gaymer
As you are free to be in this country, and as people who have different opinions to you, should also be free to express their beliefs…
And people are free to criticise them if they would like. Notwithstanding that in Australia there is no right to free speech, freedom of expression does not free oneself from criticism.
And people are free to criticise them if they would like.
Sure, free to 'criticise' them, but not to discriminate against them and sack them from their job… I wonder what would have happened if a player got sacked for posting LGBT people will got to heaven???
@jv: Can you please provide evidence where RA have stated they terminated his contract for religious expression?
Can you please provide evidence where RA have stated they terminated his contract for religious expression?
I think the term they used was that Folau expressing his religious belief was a "high-level breach" of his contract, but what I've heard is there actually wasn't anything in his contract about it, and they offered him quite a bit of money to retract from his position. Probably because they have advice that they will lose the case if Folau takes it to court.
@twjr: Hopefully, the court will rule based on law, and not from overzealous LBGT social media tweets.
@abuch47: It's going to be a shock to some people when the court rules he was validly terminated and opts not rule on the religious aspect on it, because it is an employment dispute.
@DogGunn: Yep. I would be incredibly surprised if the courts take anything other than a narrow contractual view. They don't want to rule on "religious expression" and open the can of worms. I'm not sure Christians understand that would also open up claims for Jews, Muslims, Satanists, etc. to impose their religious views above the law too. Welcome to the world of Sharia and blood sacrifice.
@DogGunn: Agreed. But where does it stop?
A workplace's terms and conditions should not offset the human rights of someone. That's a dangerous path to go down.
"I did it because it was in my terms and conditions." - Nazi solider
"I couldn't speak out about it because of my terms and conditions". - Australian government employeeA workplace is just that. An employer only buys your time and services while they are paying you. Not when you are not working. My thoughts and views are mine to express when I am not working.
+1 such a sad sight seeing all the negative people. If you don't like it, move on…you're the reason why the LGBT needs Pride month.
For all the homophobes, your porn search history don't lie ;)
Not a bargain it has no value
Just because it has no value for you, it is worth negging. It is free and you have a choice if you are going to take advantage of it or not.
It is free and you have a choice if you are going to take advantage of it or not.
That's what the freeware forums are for…
If you've come to this thread and complained about LGBT flag colours as a PlayStation theme or made jokes about LGBT representation, you're showing your true ugly colours.
Just move on if it isn't for you. It's really simple. You don't need make jokes or make fun of it.
I'm pretty sure people taking the piss out of this are doing so because of cynicism regarding Sony's intentions, not some fundamental belief that anyone who is not heterosexual is morally or spiritually inferior.
If they are of that opinion, then yeah, I think that's ignorant.
If you're here to criticise the company's intentions, you're better off attacking their anti-consumer trends regarding things such as cross-platform play rather than a small (and free) attempt to make some people feel less alienated.
I would love to, but I simply don't have the experience. I'm PC, and from what I can tell from the outside looking in Sony is probably less anti consumer than Microsoft in the console wars. All the exclusives do make me sad though. And props to Nintendo for doing something different from the other two. They deserve their place at the table.
Cross platform play would be great, I'd love to troll the few remaining console players that for some illogical reason argue that controllers are not inferior to mouse and keyboard for first person shooters.
@ozbjunkie: Don't turn this into a PC vs console thing.
Microsoft's Xbox division has been far more consumer friendly than Sony this generation anyway (backwards compatibility through three generations, cross play with Switch and PC, allowing "exclusive titles" to be playable on PC and now the Switch in the form of Cuphead and Super Lucky's Tale, etc)
So people with differing views, opinions, interpretations, sense of humour etc. to you should just shut the hell up and disappear?
How about they just don't go out of their way to go post in a queer space to so obviously ridicule a minority group. I'm sure people with those opinions have friends they can go share them with.
Sorry, what makes this post for a free PlayStation theme a “queer space”?
@aja12: Are you trying to justify a safe place for people to say crap things about LGBT people with that comment? Because that's how it comes across, the theme is literally the LGBT flag.
"Stahp trying to make uRself safe places we WanT to make jokes at ya'Ll"
Queer people are going to come into this thread and be met with people making jokes about them when those people making jokes or having crappy opinions could have simply ignored the post.
It's that simple.
@Skyceratop: Every day I read things on the internet that offend me, things I disagree with, things that disgust me, things that frustrate me. I’ve been subject to racial taunts in real life countless times. Shame on those people. But I don’t automatically wave a flag and declare a “safe space” when I’m offended or disagree.
Everyone should be treated fairly and equally, regardless of gender, ethnicity, religion etc. But that equal treatment is a two way street. Get off your pedestal, you’re no better than anyone else. You deserve equal treatment, not special treatment.
Neg away…
@aja12: The civil rights movement was a decades-long struggle with the goal of enforcing constitutional and legal rights for African Americans that other Americans already enjoyed.
Queer people will also keep fighting to not be made the butt of a joke, or ridiculed. After all we deserve equal treatment right?
It only just began with gay marriage rights.
Queer people will also keep fighting to not be made the butt of a joke, or ridiculed. After all we deserve equal treatment right?
News flash. Queer people aren’t the only people that have jokes made about them. As I said, if you want to be treated equally? Stop acting like you’re so special and not equal to everyone else. You’re a walking contradiction. I’m going to end my side of the discussion here, because we’re never going to agree, which is absolutely ok, but this isn’t the place for that discussion.
@aja12: Life's most persistent and urgent question is, 'What are you doing for others?
If you aren't standing up for minority groups who are made fun of and instead just say "oh they aren't the only ones" the you aren't helping, you are justifying that it's okay to make those jokes.
It's not okay, and people will continue to stand up for that. As well as corporations until people understand.
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere - Martin Luther King
@Skyceratop: That is not Life's most persitent and urgent question. You are exaggerating due to your own personal philosophy and sense of entitlement to impose that on others. Why would recluses be asking that question, or are you being non-diverse and exclusionary?
@Skyceratop: Gay couple household average income has been higher than hetero or singleton households for decades. What do you think should be done to solve this social inequity and privilege? Come to think of it, what has been done up until now?
In a reductio ad Smurf village scenario, Jokey smurf's joie de vivre et raison d'etre is to give exploding presents to other Smurfs. He thinks it's hilarious and chuckles every time. It's central and core to his very being. Grumpy smurf hates being the butt of jokes, but being grumpy is Grumpy's thing. (It can't make him happy to be grumpy or he would be happy smurf.) The pranks must continue in that case, but should the pranks be allowed on vanity smurf? Vanity smurf hates pranks being played, they sometimes even dislodge Vanity's flower and crack his prized mirror. Jokey smurf's mission in life is completely at odds with Vanity's. Something has to give. You cannot be nice to both Smurfs. It's a smurfy value judgement.
@[Deactivated]: I wouldn't say that… it's just we don't have kids to spend it on. Plus we tend to buy the best we can.
Means our living expenses also get whittled down. Just SEEMS like we get paid more.
@kronicmacstigator: It is true, mainly due to being dual income households. Also more likely to be white collar professionals than average. Even the federal electorate the greens hold on the gay ticket is Melbourne CBD. Not many recycling centres actually within Adam Bandt's boundaries, or electricity generation. :)
@[Deactivated]: Smurfs are a cartoon, I think we all understand the characters are written in a very particular way, where as humans all have the capacity for change, and should always be willing to improve themselves for the betterment of the society they live in.
As for the work I'm in a cyber security role and my wife is a Chef, it's true we earn well. According the recent ABC income test within the top five percent of Australians, but it took awhile to get there, I'll be 34 this year.
It's my income that does it mostly, Chefs don't earn an awful lot.
We have a son who is seven years old and a lovely human being. So we do spend on him though.
I don't think it's some gay conspiracy though, rather just the choices we all make. I have lots of high earning straight friends as well, and plenty of very poor queer ones.
To me the difference between something funny and something cruel is whether or not the intentions behind the joke correlate with the genuine beliefs upheld by the person telling the "joke".
If someone makes a joke about gay people and are also incredibly homophobic, that's hurtful.
If I make a joke regarding a stereotype that I harbour no genuine negative feelings towards, I find that funny.
There is value in being able to laugh at yourself or your friends, but not in laughing at something simply because it validates your fear and negative beliefs towards a group of people.
Amen at this! I can take a dick and a joke! Jokes ironically can be quite productive in stimulating reasonable and thoughtful discussion of certain topics!
@kronicmacstigator: Dicks can also be productive when properly stimulated. Just sayin.
I have no idea how I fat fingered my +1 into a neg, apologies, I'm a straight white male and cannot internet to my own satisfaction.
You don't need make jokes or make fun of it.
I disagree… When a company makes a political stand, they are fair game to be ridiculed… Look at the hypocrisy at Qantas…
this is a bit gay
what i think sucks is these businesses don't seem to care about minorities or the underdog when they actually are truly being hurt by society, it's when things are finally mainstream that they jump on board and say they care.
Exactly this. Where were the gay flag colours in Sony advertising campaigns 10 or 20 years ago. Champions of human rights… Or champions of popular opinion?
The problem with the answer being the latter is that if "everyone" agreed that some minority was morally inferior, Sony would be on board with that idea too.
Go sell all your PlayStations, televisions, phones, cameras, headphones etc. And stop supporting anything that Sony puts out in the future.
If you truly are against a company's policies and reasonings, put your money where your mouth is instead of nitpicking based on something like this that potentially brings, albeit minor, levels of positive change and acceptance of people.
EDIT: I could personally care less about Sony as a company, but I'd rather criticise them based off the myriad of other negative decisions and isolation tactics than simply making a free theme for people.
Poor rebuttal of my point, see freefall's below, which pretty much defeats the point of anyone in here complaining about Sony's motivations.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/jan/12/newmedia.arts - 13 years ago Sony launched a music label dedicated to LGBT musicians. They sponsored the GLAAD media awards in 1998. The former CEO of Sony's gaming division in 35 countries in the 90's, Andre Graham, is openly gay and a gay activist. That's what I found from about 10 seconds on google.
Wow. Can't argue with that. That's awesome.
It's because the LGBT supporters are very active, vocal and vitriolic on social media. Companies want to jump on the bandwagon to score some brownie points to make them less likely to be at the other end of the stick later…
Based on all the closed comments here I'd say the homophobes are just as active, vocal and vitriolic.
What were the comments?
Also, why do call people who don't agree with you 'homophobes'? Do you want to be labelled a homophile ?
Haha most of the closed comment threads were jokes. Some good, some bad.
It's when there's money to be made that they jump on board and say they care
It’s times like this I’m glad I bought an Xbox
Xbox changed their discord/twitter and other social media accounts to a rainbow picture as well. 😂
Yeah man. 3 games are better than free themes.
30 years of hiding from western confusion then this thread gives me hope.
There's no value in themes, many are free
There's no value in games, many are free
That's why we can't post free games as a bargain and need to post them in the forums
"Wow, Playstation put out a rainbow theme for gay pride - that's so awesome and progressive of them. I'm gonna go out and buy 5 Playstation's just to show how grateful I am" - Some Sony marketing chonk's idea of the average consumer.
Plus, this is not a bargain. It should be in the forums, at best. This is just free advertising and virtue signalling for a shady company who treats customers poorly.
What is virtue signalling and why would you classify it as one? It is a product that is usually for pay and this one is free. Why neg it?
Did you neg the other free themes?
They're negging the company for their stance, not this particular theme.
It's one of the reasons you are allowed to neg, in the voting rules…
And the other freebies are too what? Garner good will of course, just like this one. "Hey we are the good guys because we give you themes of what you like", same situation.
Why not complain last year when they did it? What is making people cry about it this year? I wish the complainers weren't such fragile snowflakes.
So sad to see people cant even share an opinion without mods deleting comments. Ozb going down hill and following the trends of other corporations. So much for a mindless bargain site
PlayStation themes aren’t bargains lol
many of them are not free and this one is free. Are you sure that is your reason for negging it?
and this one is free.
Has this particular theme being paid before and now free? If not, it is not a freebie and belongs in the forums…
If you believe this why haven't you commented this on every free PS Theme?
Many of them are free though so it’s not a bargain.
This thread is a complete garbage fire.
I can't tell whether people are angry at the theme itself not being a bargain or what it represents.
Actually because freefall actually bothered to look up Sony's history of supporting LGBT communities, most people that came in to complain about Sony's virtue signalling are rendered null.
My argument certainly is.
But, I believe the cynicism was not unfounded, as other companies like ANZ and Gillette (and Qantas apparently) are such followers of political correctness and popular opinion.
I don't think it is political correctness if those companies have made a business decision that supporting LGBTQIA+ (I think that's the correct acronym?) communities makes a net positive to market/mind share, profits or shareholders. While I don't work for any of these companies nor have access to their market research, I doubt they made an uninformed decision to take the stance they have. Even if those companies, their boards and their shareholders don't agree with the cause it might still make business sense and I'd argue it's more politically incorrect, albeit just part of business.
This was up last year. Just search for all free themes and avatars. They add new ones all the time!
Its never costed more than free. So how is this a deal? Alot of free apps on the phone arnt deals, drinking water in a park isnt a deal. Why is this a deal?
Its never costed more than free. So how is this a deal?
It's not a deal. It belongs in the freeware forums…
I'm proud of how progressive we've become. In 2019 gays are finally allowed to get playstations. If this were 2018 they'd have been lynched in the streets for even trying to play video games.
This is absolutely trash
Looked for the Hetrosexual theme… Did not find… I thought we are fighting for equal rights?
You are fighting for equal rights or are just you whinging?
Sorry… Must of missed the part in history where you were getting bashed and killed for being heterosexual.
You only have to look at the Rhuan Candido hate crime case recently. The horrific Chris Watts case also.
Any more or is that a limited one off?
What about Scott Johnson?
@kronicmacstigator: I think you are still getting to grips with the concept of disproof.
You asked about the time in history. How about when trans Evie Amati hatcheted innocent 7 eleven customers with no robbery motive. Was that hate crime enough for you?
@[Deactivated]: Lol, how about the straight male that gunned down innocent men, women and children in New Zealand, or Port Arthur, or the LA Shooting… its clear that straight men have the whole murder thing covered way more than any LGBT people. Wow, one crazed trans women gets zero kills and that's what you use.
@Skyceratop: That wasn't the question. You didn't read. It was was an ultra violent hate crime involving hatchets to the head. You can try to downplay and minimise it all you like.
@[Deactivated]: How was is a hate crime? From what I've read the Evie Amati case sounds like a pretty vanilla case of alcohol, drugs and mental disorder. Unless I'm mistaken I can't find any articles that suggest her victims were anything other than random targets.
The prima facie evidence of the Rhuan Candido case is pretty grim and certainly could be a hate crime; although mental illness looks to have played a part too. Unfortunately, it is a bit hard to get an unbiased read on this case as it's mostly been picked up outside Brazilian media by extreme pro and anti LGBT outlets.
What does the Chris Watts case have to do with hate crimes or LGBT issues? Looks to me like familicide with a side of adultery. Tragic as this case is, men have been killing their families as long as they have been having them. Closer to home, we had three familicide cases in Western Australia just last year.
By contrast one does not have to look very hard to find crimes specifically targeting the LGBT community. Hell, homosexuality is still a crime punishable by death in a not insignificant number of countries.
@twjr: Evie Amati had been rejected by a CIS girl then tweeted about exacting revenge on innocents then followed through. The most likely motive was a hate crime stemming from rejection.
Chris Watts, the question asked was when in history have people been bashed or killed for being heterosexual. Chris Watt's family fits that description. He was active on gay dating sites and disposing of his old, straight self together with his wife and children. I think it is correct to say they were killed because they no longer met his requirements.
Regarding your statement about who hurts or kills the other more, that wasn't the question posed or answered by me. My thoughts on that? In my view, per capita the greatest damage was to the gay community committed by fellow gays with the transmission of HIV during the 80s and 90s. In 95 in the US, 1 in 9 gay men had AIDS and 1 in 15 died from it. I believe those stats aren't controversial. In the ballpark of half a million AIDS deaths within the gay community caused by fellow gays? If straight people have to perpetually take responsibility for the acts of others then really, gay people need to forever take responsibility for their history also and everyone carries fault for the acts of others. Everyone can be a victim and at the same time, they are also guilty for fitting some contrived demographic that did something bad in history and we can all self pity destructively. Well, no, I will only take responsibility for my own actions.
@DogGunn: Where did you get the idea that he was "willing to keep any left over money"? He was simply asking for funds to fight what will likely be an expensive and protracted legal battle, which will be made harder since his rugby contract was terminated.
And why should he have to pay for having to defend his right to religious expression? Has it occurred to those baying for his blood that Folau's Instagram post might actually be an expression of genuine concern and love consistent with his religious beliefs?
In the Bible it says that we're all sinners (not just homosexuals) and need to accept the salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
Whether you disagree with Folau's interpretation of the Bible, or the authority of the Bible itself, is it that big a stretch of the imagination that Folau, as a committed Bible believing Christian, was genuinely concerned about the state of society and that his controversial post was done out of genuine love and concern?
If you truly believed (even if mistakenly) that people were blindly throwing themselves off a clifftop to their demise , wouldn't you do everything within your ability to warn them? To my way of thinking, to not do so would be the act of cowardice and selfishness.