This goes back to the Dominos, 7/11, celebrity chef restaurant, local takeaway place conundrum. Do I care about workers not getting exploited or do I simply care about the lowest prices for myself.
Is it a downward spiral? What are the alternatives given cost of living pressures.
Do we care about fairness Or is it survival of the fittest?
So many questions. Go…
Finally some sense. People need to realize the minimum wage isn't supposed to be appealing. It's supposed to be crappy so the people on it are encouraged to go out and get a real job. Raising it only causes all sorts of problems, like forcing the small businesses that can't keep up to go broke, at which point the rich companies get an easy path to a monopoly.
You got to pay at least the legal min wage…
CEO and executives of all these companies get millions whiles their employees get peanuts while dodging billions in taxes.
Look at Jeff Bezos and Amazon workers, late stage capitalism.
For every Jeff Bezos, there are thousands upon thousands of failed businessmen.
You don't hear workers crying about getting a wage whilst the bankrupted businessmen loses hundreds of thousands.
You cannot compare a wage worker with no risks and liabilities to the guy whose money is where his mouth is.
We're talking about corporations and not small buniesses here.
Workers dont get bonuses, let alone bonuses for failure. They dont get get golden parachutes, they dont get to "fail upwards", they dont get to sell their stocks before companies fail and not go to jail.
So what's the remedy?
Sure, some CEOs are overpaid and underperform but majority of these cases are public companies where shareholders are making a killing. If not, the shareholders would dump the CEO or the shares. No one is forced to own the shares nor work there.
In the case of Amazon, it's public listed. If staff believe that there is absolutely no risk to the owners and the company only grows exponentially, why not buy the shares?
Ps. Corporations start off as small businesses.
@[Deactivated]: We been here before, reinstate Glass-Steagall Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_legisla…
Also, close tax loophole. CEO pay caps, increase minimum living wage.
Plenty can be done, just the masses need to stop supporting tax breaks for the ultra rich.
@Bid Sniper: Private company, CEO can pay him/herself as she sees fit. Drive the company to the ground if they want to.
Minimum living wage is a just confusing. Is this the welfare "living wages" or is this minimum wages?
The masses almost never support "tax breaks for the rich" and there is almost never a tax break for them. It is normally done in the form of company tax breaks, one which has minimal impact anyway.
A company only gets taxed if profits aren't paid out as dividends or reinvested. Most companies "do not pay tax" because they pay dividends and those dividends are taxed as personal income tax, often at higher tax brackets. Alternatively, the money is spent to acquire assets which is even better for the economy than a dividend payout.
People aren't voting for the rich to get rich despite what the left will have you believe. People, especially the right, are voting for policies that encourage pursuit of growth and opportunities.
@[Deactivated]: Amazon is an interesting example. Automation, if you think amazon is making a killing now, it will be making even more in the future with robots and machines.
Shareholders, CEOs and other companies that invest/build/maintain machines will have enormous wealth in the future. Of course this will be reinvested back into technology and business but there is such a thing called balance.
Better hope that people wake up to the fact that there is a divide that continues to grow between the top wealthy % and those beneath. Middle class will soon be effected too. Technology isn't the enemy, but greed is.
You might think UBI or a similar form of wage replacement would be good, but this also places people in weakened positions and reliance on the government or companies that provide alternative means of income.
Point being, there is an amount that people need to live, and surely there is an amount that people don't need upwards of.
…surely there is an amount that people don't need upwards of.
None of our business.
There's nothing moral about arbitrarily defining what "excessive" wealth is and trying to legislate that wealth away.
@[Deactivated]: Don’t disagree. But there must be a minimum that is strictly enforced with harsh penalties for any theft.
Amazon has opened opportunity for many people but has possibly gone too far with their workers. Haven’t read enough about it so won’t criticise… yet :-)
@[Deactivated]: It's certainly our business when the current climate follows short term goals, and within selfish means.
If we do nothing, then we trust others to make the right decisions, and that is a dangerous path to follow.
Look at climate change as a good example.
Automation and machines will unsettle further. Bury your head in the sand if you like i guess?
Buy cheap as you can and let the law sort out the people who don't pay properly. Have your cake and eat it too.
But that will require a group of people to oversee enforcement. That would be like some sort of police to make sure people get their fair pay at work.
If only such a group exist but I wouldn't even know where to report underpaying employers to.
Oh well. I guess it's back to ensuring every shopper to consider the morality of their purchase.
Agreed. I wouldn't assume these days that just because you are paying more for an item or service that the employee is being paid correctly. Only people who actually know are the employee & employer. There have been plenty of examples lately in the hospitality industry of this.
If only the law did. Amazing it took a newspaper to expose 7/11 and dominos.
So advocate for better enforcement then and education about people's rights. It all comes out in the wash at some point.
So we as consumers are guilt free?
@Vote for Pedro: Absolutely. The employees are backpaid and the perpetrators fined. AND we get a good deal.
@Scantu: Disagree. Our desire for cheapest in large part drives the behaviour. As with most things, only a few get caught.
@Vote for Pedro: How does you wanting something cheaper drive that? It's the owner who does not want to pay proper wages to enrich themselves if anything.
With the introduction of STP it's going to become even less prevalent. There are also already simple and free remedies for those who seek them if they're wronged re: Fairwork
@Scantu: Why is dominos smashing pizza hut? $5 pizzas. So our demand drives behaviour. When they got caught out and had to fix things, prices went up a bit and size got smaller. Unrelated of course.
@Vote for Pedro: That's a hot bit of anecdotal evidence you've got there - You think there is nothing to say for the advertising, avenues for impulse purchasing and "lure" value that those pizzas provide?
And you just said it yourself… they had to fix it. The system works.
But why are there people willing to work below min wage?
No clue abt min wage?
Desperate?
No working permit?
To me, at least they are working to earn $$$ and (perhaps) pay some tax
Rather than living on a dole
Desperate and unaware of their rights and unable in reality to complain to their employer, yes. You can't place the onus on the people without any power./
Ever increasing wages for all these zero skill jobs ends up eliminating them altogether. They either get off-shored where possible or replaced by automation/'serve yourself' where not.
It wasn't long ago at the supermarket there would be a dozen checkout operators plus a dozen more doing the bagging, now there are a couple workers if your lucky and all the rest is self-service.
Fair price but I'm also happy to pay more for good service.
Would we be having this conversation if Australia didn't mass import low wage workers?
I think our high wages are a problem for the powers that be.
The answer to the question is complex. But one thing is simple: OP.
Not really complex because the question is about you and your choices.
Two restaurants serving similar quality food. One pays under legal wage, one pays at or more. The one that pays under is cheaper. Which do you eat at?
Yes we can go into the ‘how am I supposed to know which is which’ etc etc - but lets not, because that’s not the point of the question.
I wouldn't say that's a realistic scenario but I would choose cheaper, because in Australia we have minimum wage.
Even if we didn't have those laws, there's no guarantee that paying a higher price would benefit the minimum-wage employees.
What’s not a realistic scenario?
Two restaurants serving similar quality food. One pays under legal wage, one pays at or more. The one that pays under is cheaper.
As a customer, I'd assume the restaurants would be following the law and wouldn't know it at the time. It would then be up to the relevant authorities to penalise them.
@Aliastar: You’re living in fairy land if that’s what you believe. Or, intentionally using that argument out of mischief to portray the position that there’s no real problem because ‘the law’.
People do not give a stuff about fair pay or number off jobs ,just look at the number of people that use self checkout at shops,this has to loose check out chick's jobs,how many people here started like as a teller ,checkout person.
I have never used one and never will,so far I have walked out of a few shops.
If you've used a calculator, you've supported automation at the expense of employment opportunity.
If you've used email, you've supported automation at the expense of employment opportunity.
If you've got your news from an online source, you've supported automation at the expense of employment opportunity.
People have always found ways to automate simply tasks and people (as a whole) find ways to build upon that automation. Instead of a mathematics department, we have apps so engineers can create more sophisticated structures requiring fabricators to use CNC machines. We make excavators so no one has to break their backs digging holes.
Self checkouts isn't a unique "job stealing" phenomenon.
I feel like the elephant in the room is the high cost of housing, which drives up the cost of living, which mandates a higher minimum wage. But higher minimum wages means that we lose industries and jobs to other countries. If we don't have a resources boom, then how long before we have a recession and rampart unemployment?
I would love it if someone smarter than me explained how all this is sustainable.
If we increase minimum wage, we increase disposable income (temporarily at least). Someone with a bit more spare coin will want the choice rental and snap it up before the landlords adjust the price down to meet the market.
Effectively, the market is now at the level of the people who can now afford to pay a little bit more.
No one buys an investment property and decides the rental should be high. They price it based on affordability.
Full circle.
Fast food joints should have 2 moral obligations: 1 Pay the staff what they are worth! Many HR managers eventually look at it been a positive move if someone had slaved on for a while in a highly efficient joint.
No 2 moral obligation: Offer some healthy alternative that is not overpriced! I know pizza tastes nice..
Aren't they paying them what they are worth right now?
No 2 moral obligation: Offer some healthy alternative that is not overpriced!
So you want lower prices but higher pay? Where is this money going to come from?
Not to mention - why would anyone go to a fastfood joint for a salad?
So, here is the revised summary.
1. Pay staff more
2. Lower the price.
3. Start stocking items that will be left untouched until spoiled.
Or I could fast track the end game and just burn the joint down for insurance money.
Disagree. Businesses need to operate within the law. This means, they must pay at least minimum wage.
If the business is breaking the law (underpaying staff), it needs to be punished.
If the business is following the law, but people are still being exploited, then the laws need to change to prevent this.
As for serving cheap healthy food, this is on the customer to take responsibility for what they're ordering.
Minimum wage is too high in this country. You shouldn’t be looking to an entry level job at McDonald’s to support a family. Those jobs are designed for high school kids, who these day struggle to find entry level work.
Those jobs generally are given to high school kids/under 21 because their minimum wage is lower than an adults.
Cheapest price, we are all being exploited in one way or another, be that below minimum wage be that 'flexible work hours' which actually mean no flexibility we are all plebs trying to survive in this cruel world.
Credit for your direct honesty unlike others here.
I think the poll should've been about accepting lower wages, if the cost of living went down. As nice as it would feel to lift the minimum wage like unions always demand, we've pretty much already priced ourselves out of most markets to places like China and India.
Then for the stuff we make locally, we usually price out the locals too, like beef or seafood prices. Or those occasional stories from friends where an Aussie invention is cheaper to import than to buy locally.
Nothing to do with lifting minimum wage.
The poll is about your personal choices. Do you go to the cheaper place even if they’re paying below minimum wage or do you go to the more expensive place weher they (hopefully) pay at least minimum wage
Price is only the result of two willing market participants. An offer is made by one party and accepted by the counterparty. You guys carry on like there are $1 per hour jobs offers that are taken up under threat of death.
How about $10 an hour and the employer has control of the employee's passport? Happy to look the other way as there is no gun to someone's head?
There is a good reason why modern slavery is a current focus in Australia. Get involved with some of the most marginalised in our country and I assure you your perception will change of what really goes on.
It is disingenuous to use a clearly criminal activity as a counter argument to "fair" wages.
No one on either side of the conversation is condoning confiscation of personal effects, let alone one that technically belongs to a sovereign state (passports belong to the country of issue) and used as leverage for lower pay. No one. The law doesn't need to change to prevent these things from happening because it is already undisputably illegal.
The vast majority of people not receiving their lawful entitlement are not being held captive.
Some people aren't in positions to be able to make reasonable demands. You act like everyone can just ask for what they think they are worth and get it. Immigrants routinely face this issue when they are migrating for a better life, they get taken advantage of without knowing any better. Sure they can be willing, but they can also be unknowingly decieved into what they think is a good rate.
Are they getting paid more than what they were in their home country sure. But cost of living is higher here too.
End of the day people want cheaper and cheaper products but arent willing to pay more. Hence jobs go overseas as people aren't willing to accept a lower salary.
If the jobs go overseas, the economic migrants may find better prospect in their home country.
I mean seriously.
I’m creating the OzBargain Law: ‘As an online discussion on any topic on OzBargain grows longer, the probability of the introduction of race or nationality approaches 1’
I think everyones got it all wrong. We should think in reverse and implement maximum wages. I would rather have slower economic progress than a large desperate struggling population.
Fair pay. It just benefits everyone. The bottom income earners will have more disposable income to spend thus more profits to businesses. The cycle continues and increases it's effect. Growth comes from efficiency improvement, increase productivity and technological advancement. NOT from the exploitation of vulnerable population NOR concentrating wealth into non productive assets like housing.
Does this include exploited offshore staff?
This poll seems like a false dichotomy, the assumption you have to accept is that the cheapest price is only so, due to paying under the minimum wage. I generally go for the cheapest price assuming the minimum wage is being paid, if you have a justifiable reason to suspect otherwise, wouldn't you just to report them to the relevant authority if you had an issue with it?
Exactly. We have no way of knowing which restaurants pay fairly. Expensive doesn't mean fair pay, and vice versa.
Businesses have a responsibility to operate within the laws.
All the complaints about the minimum wage being too low and all etc are all arguments for why the American tipping system is a much more fair way of paying people.
I hate the idea of a minimum wage - companies will pay for better employees and less for useless ones a system where good and bad employees get the same $$$ moronic
Of course the American tipping system is not better or fairer. Google it up and you will see tipping jobs more often earn lower than the American min wage; and that is low indeed.
Next you will be telling me that Americans don't tip for bad service.
Because google is the best source in information….
If you get paid cash do you report it to the ATO? - common sense isnt that common
I dont like the tipping system but the reality is it is a more fair system - i've worked in hospitality in my younger days and if i got 10-20% for every drink i served and order i took i'd of made triple my salary and worked twice as hard
Only left wing morons think the system we have is better then the US - it is a consumer pays system which puts the onus on the worker and customer. The problem is it isnt the employer responsibility/problem if low paid workers have a 'liveable wage' it is the individual problem the US system reflects that on the harder the worker the better the salary (for low paid workers)
the fact is people work for money, somewhere along the line we have forgot that…
Cop out. The employer hires, and has a probation period. Offer training and fair pay and you’ll attract good employees. If an employee is no good, performance manage them. If you can’t attract good employees, then something wrong with the employment conditions.
@Vote for Pedro: This is true for skilled jobs
not so true for unskilled or low skilled work
ie in a IT company one good coder might cost 300k a year but is better has his job then 3 average coders on 120k a year. - thus you have less liability Workcover liability, less wages to pay and less leave to cover if you keep the good coder happy opposed to hiring 3 average ones.
But in lower skill jobs if you make more ppl permeate you open your self up to high workcover liability, long service leave entitlements and redundancy if you ever have to down size a good example is waiting tables you will find the turn over of staff in most places resembles a revolving door because they are cheap to replace and the training required to bring in new staff if minimal it is also a job where burn out and work place injuries are common thus high turn over of staff is beneficial
As for a probationary period everyone can appear to be a good worker for 3-6 months - literally everyone knows when you start a job you make sure you come on time, work hard etc but 12months down the track once you are permeate this isnt the case - that is why the 'Casual' culture in employment is occurring for low skilled jobs which Unions are up in arms about.
You got to look at both sides of the coin - i do feel for 'low paid workers' but the issue is unions have f**ked them by making it too hard to get rid of bad workers and too easy to underappreciated good ones…
@Trying2SaveABuck: So you’re saying the market doesn’t work and that small business shouldn’t have to meet standard obligations.
If you can’t attract good candidates that you need for ANY business, then you can’t keep blaming the candidates.
@Trying2SaveABuck: And the too hard to get rid of workers is bullsh*t. It’s poor and lazy managers not wanting to follow the right process. They just want to be able to sack people willy nilly and blame someone else for their failings.
Also, the claim about hard for small business … bureaucracy blah blah, well there are protections against unfair dismissal claims:
https://www.fairwork.gov.au/how-we-will-help/templates-and-g…
But again, it’s easy to blame someone else for the business failings in employment practices.
@Vote for Pedro: Considering 19 out of every 20 small businesses close there doors within 5 years of opening i would say the market doesnt work very well at all…..
It is easy to say 'poor workers' it is hard to say poor 'small business owners'
What you dont realise is big businesses are and have moved away from Australian labour market ie Toyota, Holden, Ford, Bonds, Qantas, Telstra, banks etc all have moved most of there labour overseas keeping the bare minimum domestically
Small business cant really do that and with big business sending more work overseas for less it actually makes it even more difficult for small business owners because they are competing in a market that works for big business and against them - keep in mind small business make-up largest proportion of employers in Australia and are the most likely people to be declared bankrupt but according to you the system is full proof…
The truth is business need to take some responsibility because the ones that do succeed give very little back to the people that built the business due to our flat wage structure in Australia - If a business goes from 200k profit to 2million profit on the same work force you dont really see the owner saying you guys got us there here is 10-20k bonuses like you do in the USA it is pretty much f*** everyone this money is mine - that is were the mentality needs to change but the unions are fighting for the wrong things instead of making it difficult for businesses to succeed make it rewarding for staff for businesses to succeed ie profit share, tipping structure, better career structure for loyal workers…
@Trying2SaveABuck: I support entrepreneurship, but can’t support your argument. When you do your business plan before starting a business, you know what your obligations are (eg, rent, electricity, stock payments and yes wages).
The failure of a business arises when sales aren’t sufficient to meet those obligations. There you seem to be blaming consumers.
The theme in your argument is that everyone else is to blame.
I started a business that failed (luckily it was quickly) because I was young and naive and thought I just needed to open and people would flock to me. You know what I didn’t do? A business plan. I don’t blame the worker (just the one plus myself) or the landlord or the electricity company or the taxman. I blame myself.
@Vote for Pedro: So all business that fail dont have a business plan? are you an idiot? you wouldnt get a bank loan if you didnt have a plan. But when Unions are asking for 6% pay increase to the min wage when inflation is under 2% i gotta side with the business
Look believe what you want but wages in Australia for unskilled workers is high and it has seen a number of good companies both foreign and domestic of shoot of loads of jobs o/s….
it is also ways the government is privatising everything because private business can ship work o/s the government cant…
Take a look at where ever you are sitting, the cloths your wearing, the computer you typing on, the phone next to you how many things are made in Australia?
What will happen when mining stops and we have no resources to sell?
@Trying2SaveABuck: So you’ve given up logic and going for personal attacks and blaming everyone else.
You’ve gone from too hard to get rid of lazy workers to we have to pay too much.
And all you seem to be doing is shifting the discussion with your whataboutism because you can’t form a coherent argument on your original position.
There are many factors impacting business success but can be generally grouped into Internal and External Factors. Those who focus (blame) solely on External (which you have limited control over) will likely fail.
@Trying2SaveABuck: And, you complain wages are high but you can’t attract good workers? Well clearly you’re not doing enough to get good people to want to work for you.
It’s not a master/servant relationship. Good people don’t have to work for you. Reading your posts, I wouldn’t work for you at double the minimum wage because you are the type who’d treat workers like sh*t.
@Vote for Pedro: you know when you are right? when the opposition low blows to personal attacks….without knowing anything about you.
I DO NOT own a small business or at least i dont employ anyone like most people i am actually a full time worker that has a side business i run on my own
i have no reason to support or oppose low paid workers I just call it as i see it -
Im not saying all business fail because of high wages but it is a large factor…
You can argue all you want the facts are there 95% of business close within 5 years the biggest complaints business have is wages are too high and by wages i mean;
Salary + Super + Leave entitlements + Penalty rates + Public holidays + Sick leave add on to that insurance for work cover an individual making 20$ an hour which is just above min wage really costs the employer close to 50$ an hour!
Furthermore the lowest paid workers just for a 3% pay raise inflation is under 2% the unions wanted a 6% pay raise if they got what they wanted that is more 3x inflation - now i know you are emotional but think about what would happen if business needed to pay low paid workers triple inflation every year?
Now think of it this way if inflation is 2% and min wage has increase by 3% where will that extra 1% come from? - note there is a right answer
@Trying2SaveABuck: Yeah, rubbish. You’re on this crusade about workers asking for 3% but ignore energy prices going through the roof under conservative governments (23 of the last 29 years).
I think there’s a common theme in your position: Workers are to blame for everything. Workers workers workers.
If everyone was paid legally, then wages shouldn’t be a differentiating factor in the cost of a business’ goods, it would be the service offering.
You know why my business failed? It wasn’t because of the worker, it was me not properly factoring my sales to cover cost. Simple as that
@Vote for Pedro: I never blamed the workers…..i dont blame anyone i just look at the data and make an educated decision on my opinion.
If anything the Unions are the issue in most cases they dont care about the workers or the business and are happy to bleed everyone dry
@Trying2SaveABuck: I look at data, I take all side but its all the unions fault lol. Ideology ideology ideology. Seriously? I’m sorry but $19 an hour is not bleeding anyone dry.
What a soft sad argument you have. Delete your account.
@Vote for Pedro: 19$ + 9.5% super + 4 weeks annual leave + 13 public holidays a year + 8 sick days
lol at least i have an argument im not some deranged moron you dont look data you havent given me one proper argument to why wages should be increasde- my advice to you is dont start a business man you're not too bright…
Perhaps go back to to uni do economics 101 you will learn about market forces and the supply and demand graph and how min wage laws dont actually work ….once you have done a bit of school you might think a bit clearer
@Trying2SaveABuck: Yes. My BCom (Economics and Finance) Degree just doesn’t cut it. P.s. there is no economics 101 class, but it sounds nice coz you heard it on tv and it’s easy to parrot.
I’m not sorry that business has to pay for annual leave. How dare people want holidays??? As for superannuation, take a history lesson. Introduced in lieu of pay increases.
Have you been watching Paul Murray because your arguments are based on false premises.
In my personal opinion, broadly speaking the market is and will always be fair whether it's above or under minimum wage.
The wage is accepted and agreed by both parties, business and workers, regardless of the law enforced by government, providing that the agreement does not happen under duress (for example visa blackmailing etc).
Imagine the basic worker who accepted that he has no particular skills and willing to accept below minimum wage just to be able to earn money. If businesses, under government enforcement, do not employ these people as at minimum wage they can get worker with "appropriate" skill for the labour cost incurred, these people will always be jobless.
On the other hand, the skilled worker believe that their skill are worth minimum wages, there will always be appropriate job opening available.
I believe it is all demand and supply problem.
The traditional excuse is that businesses claim they have nothing left after paying rent and customers don't purchase as much because nothing is left after rent.
BTW, is it still about $30 a week to rent a food cart position in SE Asia? I always hoped it was free so I could live the "dream" with no ongoing costs, but real estate is real estate :(
Shame on all of you that said businesses should pay less than minimum wage, you've obviously never lived on the bread line and you should feel bad for yourselves.
I was one of these people who lived on the breadline and received below minimum wages when I was young.
I blamed more on myself for not building my skills quicker and look for new job at that time.
Just forget all the uni/tafe students out there living on the bread line whilst they develop their skills so they can provide skilled labor to our economy. Makes sense. Keep the public ignorant and nobody questions anything. Blaming the poor for being poor is such a cop out.
Employees not receiving the minimum pay is a bit of furfee.
Its certainly not widespread.
Only Happens in a few privately owned shops and doesnt not necessarily result in lower prices.
But yes its a bit of a downward spiral.
We as consumers chase lower prices.
This in turn puts pressure on margins and forces producers to look at ways of lowering thier costs.
This usually means moving local production to China so local jobs are lost.
So now we have lower incomes locally as a result and those lower incomes chasing lower prices which they can afford.
And this is what Trump is trying to reverse.
Problem is that he is fighting all the globalists.
But as somebody said to me today….
Image if Apple was forced out of China with the current USA/CHINA trade war and into producing and repairing phones locally in the USA.
Image how much more those phones would cost to buy and to repair…Double? triple?
It would be instant death for Apple.
So yes its a downward spiral that is not reversible.
Doesn't seem like a thread worth contributing towards seeing how OP is only seeking comments that suit them. An objective adult discussion is apparently not what he is after.
is $40 an hour considered "good" nowdays?
Cheapest price for me thanks mate
Increase immigration so my ubereats are cheaper and faster
GDP per capita going down is OK as long as the ASX keeps going up
Not even sarcastic. The internet is a huge echo chamber of bleeding hearts - I'm one of the rare honest ones.
Against wage theft though - that's not right. But hiring people on a cash rate that's below min wage but otherwise mutually agreed? Good. Some people want cash and are ok with a lower rate - who knows their circumstances? Not my business. Maybe they're on centrelink and doing some extra work on the downlow, not my business to care, as long as they do their job well.
So you’re happy to subsidise someone being underpaid cash in hand with centrelink payments? So essentially we the taxpayer make up for the employer underpaying workers?
At least you’re honest, but I think we all lose in your scenario
Ha, trick question!
To everyone who voted for fair wages over best price, hand in your OzBargain card!
Lol
Out of curiousity for the purposes of this poll should our consideration be limited to purchasing goods and services in Australia, or worldwide?
I’m confident you know what the answer is.
I was annoyed that Dominoes charged me a public holiday surcharge on Sunday on the long week end. (Monday was the holiday).
I would be even more annoyed if the employee who delivered my food was not paid extra on the Sunday. (I should have asked him).
I certainly dont agree with lifting the minimum wage - Minimum wage laws are not really supported by the research - however i would argue all 'wages' should raise with inflation or at least CPI…
https://fee.org/articles/the-best-argument-against-minimum-w…
I run my own business solo trading on the side and i tell you what the amount of work that goes into your own business deserves the $$$$