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Hi All,
Just got this info in my email from Kogan.
May be helpful for some. Looks good.
The price, they suggested will increase to $159.
Thanks.
Certa 3.8m Telescopic Ladder $75 + Delivery @ Kogan
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I have checked with other ladder prices with bunnings, kogan seems good. But only concern is there are some safety issues online-
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3315619/warning-to-tradesmen-a…Still, I am planning to order one to use it casually, getting kids soccer ball from roof :)
Falling off the roof casually and doing so professionally still causes the same damage.
Pros do it better. More training, more experience.
Professional stunt men would disagree
only concern is there are some safety issues
Including, but not limited to this:
They do this regularly during pre sales, gets some orders thru the door to meet minimum sales numbrrs to meet discount volume. Bulk pricing does actually provide discounts surprisingly
don't risk your life with telescopic ladders. google telescopic ladder recall
Yep. Put mine at the kerb after falling down. So many points of failure… By all means, save money, but not at the cost of your life.
seems like all in the uk (one particular brand).
according to blurb this one meets australian safety standards.
not sure kogan are stupid enough to williningly risk liability lawsuits if this was not safe.
these have been around for a while and i am sure they would have been reported by now.
not sure kogan are stupid enough to williningly risk liability lawsuits if this was not safe.
Unfortunately, precedent might argue otherwise…
Many products have been sold here long after safety concerns were raised. (eg cigarettes, asbestos products, etc - it's a long list)
Manufacturers sold & promoted those as safe - as long as they could get away with it…
Safety investigations are slow, costly, & have to prove their case against the seller's lawyers.The risk for Kogan if there would be a proven safety issue - a voluntary product recall & refunds. Likely few would ask for their money back.
(Make it so just threw it out after falling. Users often blame themselves rather than the seller.)User misuse (suggested by Lps) could easily be blamed to escape lawsuits for injuries caused by a proven unsafe product (it's worked for other unsafe products).
A safety issue with another telescopic ladder should make buyers wary.
pretty sure there is a bit of a difference between a cigarette and a ladder.
a voluntary recall would only cover them if there was a failure of the product, if there was any significant injury they would be sued.
lawyers on that sort of case normally work on a no win or no fee basis so they have a really good incentive to get it right.
and so what your saying is if a an electric drill sold in the ukraine is faulty and kills some people i should be very wary of all drills sold in australia ?pretty sure there is a bit of a difference between a cigarette and a ladder.
Obviously, the safety issue with a ladder would be easier to prove, than the effect of hundreds of chemicals over a prolonged period. The causal link to injury would also be much easier to prove. But both can cause death.
How many successful cases have been taken by affected users against tobacco companies in Australia? The safety of the product has been known for a long time. Asbestos cases took decades, with some dying before the case ended.
Ladder injuries are frequent, but few would be using this particular product.
falls from ladders were the most frequent “Do-It-Yourself” injury during 2013-2014, with nearly 1 in 10 resulting in an “intracranial injury such as a concussion”. https://www.braininjuryaustralia.org.au/ladder-falls/No win, no fee firms love similar cookie cutter cases with lots of litigants & low costs. Technical reports on the ladder, finding specialists to prove a causal relationship to the injury, proving it wasn't user error, etc - for a small number of potential clients is not that attractive.
As I have found, cases outside the ordinary require much higher fees & costs - most ladder users would be wary of throwing good money after bad to win the expensive case.
And as Make it so showed, those injured may tend to blame themselves for buying a shoddy cheap product & using it in a way that caused their injury.
As for your mythical "Ukranian drill" - if the design flaw causing the safety issue is similar or same… I'd advise you to be very wary!
So worth examining the issues behind the UK & any other safety recalls. And asking State Office of Fair Trading etc of any complaints or investigations.
Mine had Australian approval. Still a wobbly hazardous PoS. It only takes one out of many moving parts not to "click" and you're toast.
Yes, far too complex & too many points which could fail or be inadequately secured. 3.8m can be wobbly enough on a ladder!
I've been using one for years without issue. You need to employ some common sense and not angle them too much or over load them. There may be some substandard products on the market but a fair bit of the problem is likely user error.
How do I know this? Because some people are turkeys and do stupid things.You need to employ some common sense and…
… not buy a product that traditionally relies on structural strength against top down loading and ability to flex out the rest of the off angle load on a product that is collapsible (patently not very good for top down loading) and has multiple ferrules.
Pay $20 more (not even once you count for delivery) for a real ladder with the added bonus that you can use it in A-frame mode.
Genuine question: Can you point me to a real ladder that has a comparable reach (~3.8m) at a comparable price (~$95 including postage)?
Edit: Sorry, found one here just not as compact.
and 5kg lighter too
The one on your link is just so much safer, it'd be the one to buy over the kogan even if it were much more expensive IMHO.
Pretty regular price in many "Deals"
I binned the Kogan email as soon as I saw it was a telescopic ladder. Issues with it have been raised before.It's cheaper than traditional stronger, more stable & useful ladders at Bunnings etc. But at what price to your health & length of life of the product?
They've lasted so many years of use for me. Doubt this ladder will last long!I've got great ladders off kerbsde cleanups. Possibly try buying a good used ladder.
You trust a ladder being thrown out over a brand new ladder?
After checking - absolutely!
I've never bought a ladder, but have quite a few (I like ladders). Have been in use for years, with no issues. Sometimes need minor repairs. I also use a lovely light weight wooden ladder from around 1940.
Some very good equipment in excellent condition is discarded. Usual case is elderly handyman husband dies or goes into care, & everything of his is thrown out.
Standard ladders are very simple & issues are apparent. That's very different to these complex ladders with some components hidden from view & so many things that can fail, or fail to lock in place.
If I'm going up a ladder I check it every time - I don't want an unnecessary accident. Especially so the higher I go!
And the surface the ladder is placed on is very important for stability. At this height, should not be attempted without securing the ladder & someone assisting.A long 3.8m ladder that requires locking small sections together seems like a dangerous test of physics & mathematics to me. Load that down with the average Australian male weight carrying diy gear & stand well clear😱
Wouldn't trust Ruslan with ladder that goes above 0.5m…
3.8m telescopic, takes either extreme set of balls to climb this.
I was keen to buy 1 but as soon as I saw these comments I just stepped back as it really looks dangerous to me. What i would do is buy the smaller one for $55 for my every day use from ebay to save on climbing so high and a ladder to organise my reachable ceiling,anyways i have never seen higher ceilings in australia anyway so im happy with 2m. Check this out for $55 and no delivery charges whereas the $75 ladder cost you $19 for delivery or purchase $99 delivery which ends up with $93 anyways so I save $40 plus fits in a ute plus triples my height. Offer ends 30th April so grab a bargain.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BULLET-Multipurpose-Telescopic-F…I just stepped back
Never do that on a ladder😀
For real though if this was actually worth $159 they wouldnt be letting customers know to get in and buy it before they raise the price.