Parking Fine in Loading Zone

L[Deactivated] on 16/04/2019 - 20:58
Last edited 16/04/2019 - 21:35

My work has a loading zone . I have a new company car with no signage (at the time of offense). My car usually does have signage so I usually am able to park there . But because of new car and signage I voted fined .

I knew the council would not accept that the car was temporally with no courier signage. So I had a friend make up a breakdown invoice since he had his own mechanic business few years ago .
The invoice mechanic gave me was an old abn number that isn’t valid. So council wants to take me to court for lying on my appeal .

My question

Should I plead not guilty and have my mechanic as witness ?
Or should I just plead guilty and pay it?

If I go to court does the council have to give me a brief or evidence he has so I can prepare my case ?

Any advise ??

Automotive Parking Fine

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  • k-rokfm on 16/04/2019 - 20:59
    +40

    Why didn’t you just tell the truth the first time?

  • SBOB on 16/04/2019 - 21:01
    +37

    Any advise ??

    fraud can sometimes be an expensive lesson ;)

  • Euphemistic on 16/04/2019 - 21:03
    +14

    Ha ha ha ha…. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha……..

    Sigh

  • Downvoter on 16/04/2019 - 21:04
    +6

    Stop being shady AF maybe?

  • oscargamer on 16/04/2019 - 21:04
    +17

    Surely a troll thread?

    One post wonder…..

  • Euphemistic on 16/04/2019 - 21:06

    Duplicate, sorry.

  • SydStrand on 16/04/2019 - 21:08
    +2

    So I had a friend make up a breakdown invoice […] The invoice mechanic gave me was an old abn number that isn’t valid. So council wants to take me to court for lying on my appeal

    Dying.

    • Ace Ventura on 16/04/2019 - 21:17
      +21

      Define greedy,
      Greedy like the folk who break the law, then lie and cheat to try and evade the consequences of their actions?

      • EightImmortals on 17/04/2019 - 06:16
        -3

        Easy there Tex, it's not like he murdered someone….or did he?

        He got busted breaking a 'rule' and went the wrong way about trying to get it cancelled, that's all.

        As for the OP, get some council letterhead and notice is that have an ABN or an ACN, being a corporation they should have an ACN but most of the have ABN's last time I looked. You might (if you're smart enough) bring that up in court as they are 'breaking the law' as well. Probably wont get you far as the courts are all part of the game but in the end you will have learned something.

        • pjcook on 17/04/2019 - 07:34
          +10

          No he didn't break a rule, he committed fraud. A very well known judge was jailed a few years ago for similar actions in trying to get out of a speeding fine.
          https://www.smh.com.au/national/former-judge-einfeld-gets-at…

          • holdenmg on 17/04/2019 - 07:45
            +1

            @pjcook: Bart (I didn't do it) Simpson would be so proud.

          • whooah1979 on 17/04/2019 - 08:10

            @pjcook:

            he committed fraud.

            What type of fraud did OP allegedly commit?

            • terrys on 17/04/2019 - 09:08
              +3

              @whooah1979: He made a false statement knowing it was untrue in an attempt to gain a financial advantage.

              • SBOB on 17/04/2019 - 09:20
                +3

                @terrys:

                He made a false statement knowing it was untrue in an attempt to gain a financial advantage.

                yeah, but apart from literally the definition of fraud, what did he do ;)

                • dcep on 17/04/2019 - 10:27
                  +1

                  @SBOB:

                  what did he do

                  He made a false statement knowing it was untrue in an attempt to gain a financial advantage.

            • SnakeCasablanca on 17/04/2019 - 10:59
              +1

              @whooah1979: He didnt 'allegedly commit' fraud.

              He has confessed to committing fraud.

  • bloom on 16/04/2019 - 21:10
    +20

    I'd skip the court date, say the car broke down again

    • o53djz7qTPY4der on 17/04/2019 - 06:00
      +3

      Get your mechanic who no longer has his business to knock up an invoice. Get him to use his old ABN if possible.

  • [Deactivated] on 16/04/2019 - 21:12
    +19

    Mods we SERIOUSLY need to sort out who is eligible to post in the forums

    [Deactivated] on 16/04/2019 - 21:12 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    • Almost Banned on 16/04/2019 - 23:03
      +1

      Are you suggesting that new members shouldn't be allowed to post in the forums?
      What time limit would you propose?

      • John Kimble on 16/04/2019 - 23:08
        +13

        1 month?

        Maybe only if the post contains keywords/phrases like:
        parking/traffic/speeding/camera + ticket/fine/infringement/accident

        at fault accident
        no insurance

        etc

      • SydStrand on 17/04/2019 - 12:14
        +1

        Ignoring the comedy factor, lurkers treat the place like dumb Whirlpool by signing up, asking for help (usually Auto) then disappear. Add a time limit to when they can make new forum posts.

    • savage bargain on 17/04/2019 - 08:45
      +13

      But where would I get my entertainment?

      • smalltime0 on 17/04/2019 - 10:41
        +1

        Any stan/Netflix/Hulu/prime logins going around?

    • Blitzfx on 17/04/2019 - 13:28

      They are DisabledUser299429 now

  • JimmyF on 16/04/2019 - 21:33

    Parking Fine Loading Zone Company Car

    Seems the least of your issues……

  • burningrage on 16/04/2019 - 21:34

    New member too. Just signed up.

    I really wonder what do people try to get by posting in this forum? As if Ozbargain can somehow waive the fine or give them a get out of jail card?

    • serpserpserp on 16/04/2019 - 22:01
      +2

      I have a few get out of jail cards, but I usually sell them in the classifieds for QFF points.

    • JimmyF on 17/04/2019 - 07:29
      +1

      I really wonder what do people try to get by posting in this forum?

      I'm sure if I look on whirlpool, the OP will have a thread there as well.

      They are shopping around for advice that matches what they want to hear.

    • DingoBilly on 17/04/2019 - 12:29
      +2

      I mean to be fair - if I did something like this I'd probably create a new account just to make sure nothing can be associated to me. Other friends have found out I use this account so if I make stupid posts about the illegal activities I do I probably wouldn't want them to know.

      • burningrage on 17/04/2019 - 12:53

        Never thought it this way. Makes sense.

        Although I would never publish something like this online unless gross miscarriage of justice such as getting booked while helping other people eg. Performing CPR.

  • Yummy on 16/04/2019 - 21:46
    +2

    So council wants to take me to court for lying on my appeal

    L Y I N G
    Y
    I
    N
    G

    Serve you right?

  • alvian on 16/04/2019 - 21:47
    +16

    Should I plead not guilty and have my mechanic as witness?

    Definitely this is what you must do. The hole isn't deep enough yet. You'll both be imprisoned for perjury under oath. Free food and lodging and a criminal record. What a bargain.

    • John Kimble on 16/04/2019 - 23:10
      +5

      Dig up, stupid!

      • TerryJustTerry on 17/04/2019 - 11:14

        but then we wouldnt get any more updates…

    • syousef on 17/04/2019 - 12:58
      +3

      Mechanic: "Your honour I've never seen this man before in my life."

  • Godric on 16/04/2019 - 21:47

    lol

  • serpserpserp on 16/04/2019 - 21:57
    +10

    MS Paint of parking scenario please.

  • elgrande on 16/04/2019 - 21:58

    Troll doll

  • djones145 on 16/04/2019 - 22:02

    double down plead not guilty
    if that doesnt work triple down and take them to court
    if that fails quadriple down and skip the country, hire a row boat and leave, be on the running

  • altomic on 16/04/2019 - 22:09
    +2

    just say Teresa Brennan was driving.

  • dizzle on 16/04/2019 - 22:11
    +3

    Looking at the rules, it doesn't matter whether it's a company signed car or not unless your business is transporting goods. If it's a vehicle designed for transporting goods (like a van or ute) you can park for up to 30 minutes. A commercial vehical like a courier or taxi can park for 15 minutes, and other vehicles can only drop off passangers. Times may vary between states, but Unless you drive a vehicle registered with the state as a commercial vehicle, your excuse of the car is normally signed doesn't really wash.
    (https://www.gopeople.com.au/blog/knowledgebase/loading-zone-…)

  • Cheeper on 16/04/2019 - 22:15

    "Should I plead not guilty and have my mechanic as witness ?"
    He did you a favour as you asked now you want him to go to court and commit purjury?
    Thats nice…

  • Randxyz123 on 16/04/2019 - 22:25
    +2

    I have a new company car with no signage (at the time of offense). My car usually does have signage so I usually am able to park there . But because of new car and signage I voted fined .

    What does "I voted fined" mean?

    I knew the council would not accept that the car was temporally with no courier signage. So I had a friend make up a breakdown invoice since he had his own mechanic business few years ago .
    The invoice mechanic gave me was an old abn number that isn’t valid. So council wants to take me to court for lying on my appeal .

    Why on earth… Would you do that? It is fraud on your part and your "friends" part. They are likely going to be dragged into this and be fined as well…

    If the company you work for is an actual business(e.g. DHL) and you can indeed park there while going about your job. If they've given you the car to drive (I know large courier companies often use hire vans if they are short for whatever reason) then they could write a letter on company letterhead telling the council to go away. If you just do courier work and have a standard car that says "courier" on it then you still could try this tactic. Getting whoever you were picking goods up from to say "(you) were there at hh:mm on dd/mm/yyyy and write it on company letterhead" again possibly would have got you off.

    Instead, you chose to get someone to write you a dodgy invoice saying your new car broke down??

    If I go to court does the council have to give me a brief or evidence he has so I can prepare my case ?

    No they don't.

    Seek legal help tomorrow. Not online forum help. Legal help from a professional.

  • Samsungnote10 on 16/04/2019 - 23:01

    Can the council even take you to court for lying on a fine appeal??

    • WreckTangle on 16/04/2019 - 23:08

      This. What do you mean you are going to court…on what grounds can council actually do this…did the council reissue the fine and you are contesting it, or have the police laid criminal charges for fraud?

      • Randxyz123 on 16/04/2019 - 23:30

        Sounds like the council might have believed them but wanted to check with the mechanic in question. Maybe when their phone number on the invoice didn’t work, googling revealed the business had closed. Then they discovered the ABN had expired so they called the police.

    • whooah1979 on 17/04/2019 - 07:03

      So council wants to take me to court for lying on my appeal .

      This doesn't sound right.

      Op, what does the court documents say?

  • holdenmg on 17/04/2019 - 00:19
    +1

    A) Buy a copy of Soldier of Fortune.

    B) Join the French Foreign Legion

    C) pay-up and move on…

    A, B and C. lol

  • [Deactivated] on 17/04/2019 - 01:18
    +2

    Salim Mehajer faked a crash to get out of a court date. He's in prison right now.

    I would check exactly what you have signed so far. If you lied on an affidavit or formal court document, that's a serious matter that can and has been pursued, similar to judges getting others to cop their speeding points.

  • Hithere on 17/04/2019 - 07:28
    +3

    Any advise ??

    I advise you to seek ADVICE.

    1) Buy plenty of soap on a rope.

    2) Get ready to meet Bubba.

    3) Whirlpool is the best place to troll, they'll all jump on this fabrication.

  • Ryanek on 17/04/2019 - 08:15
    +1

    So I had a friend make up a breakdown invoice

    have my mechanic as witness

    This is fraud, and now you want to involve your friend even further? Yikes.

    • whooah1979 on 17/04/2019 - 08:29

      What type of fraud did OP allegedly commit?

      • Ryanek on 17/04/2019 - 08:30

        Fake invoice.

        • whooah1979 on 17/04/2019 - 08:36

          That would be Making or Using a False Document.

          • [Deactivated] on 17/04/2019 - 08:37

            @whooah1979: Entrapment for you :p

  • Gronk on 17/04/2019 - 08:43
    +2

    I call troll, a real person couldn't be this stupid lol

  • pegaxs on 17/04/2019 - 08:59
    +2

    100% troll thread. Can’t wait till this one gets to 194 replies over 3 pages…

  • Micko179 on 17/04/2019 - 09:18

    "But because of new car and signage I voted fined"

    Hey, I've got a fantastic idea! Why not create a new account on OZB & post it there instead of seeing a Solicitor! Muppet! SERIOUSLY!

  • Windows98 on 17/04/2019 - 11:52
    +1

    Nice attempt at troll post. Try harder next time.

  • Froot Loops on 17/04/2019 - 11:59

    Honestly can't believe you would even contemplate lying to a court. Where is your moral compass?

  • chumlee on 17/04/2019 - 12:03

    It's obvious ypu should just tell the truth and plead guilty by reason of mental illness.

  • TailsK on 17/04/2019 - 12:19

    My car usually does have signage so I usually am able to park there.

    Were you actually loading or unloading anything? A loading zone isn't free parking for people that have a business name on the side of their car.

  • Pratty on 17/04/2019 - 13:32

    Sounds like you’ve got one of those cars with a fake courier sticker? When they clearly aren’t couriers?

  • Yummy on 17/04/2019 - 13:43

    Bye bye DisabledUser299429.

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