Our apartment block keeps getting junk mail from Chemist Warehouse, and random AustPost and other voucher crap.
We've recently agreed to place 2 MASSIVE signs; NO JUNK MAIL however we still get it, most get tossed around the entrance from others and sometimes weather.
Obviously you can't contact these companies as they've sub sub sub sub contracted some loser to deliver them, anything the council can do?
You know what I mean, the AustPost Shop catalogues, Dominos etc
yeah, but I think if it is actually "posted" it is not considered to be junk mail. It depends on whether the Austpost Shop stuff is actually "posted" to you rather than some random person with a trolley.
If it is Austpost, I would put "return to sender" and dump it in the nearest Post Office box. They might get the message if they have to go to the inconvenience of getting rid of it.
I would put "return to sender" and dump it in the nearest Post Office box.
Yes. I also always return reply paid envelopes stuffed with other junk mail I have lying around.
You dont want to miss a bargain!
The ADMA Do Not Mail Service does not apply to:
• unaddressed mail, brochures, catalogues or leaflets
• mail marketing from organisations that are not ADMA members
• mail marketing from ADMA members where you have an existing relationship with the organisation.
Alas not going to do anything for brochures and unaddressed mail.
I would bundle them up and take them to the nearest store of that brand, and return them.
Or, you could google the question and find the NSW EPA site that states:
What if people have a ‘No junk mail’ (or similar) sign on their letterbox?
Putting mail into these letterboxes is not against the law but it is against the distribution industry's Code of Practice. Distributors should respect people's wishes not to receive this material. For more information about the Code of Practice, phone the Distribution Standards Board freecall hotline on 1800 676 136 or email [email protected].
Note: The Victorian EPA has tougher rules.
I would bundle them up and take them to the nearest store of that brand, and return them
Actually good idea, I will give that a shot.
Putting mail into these letterboxes is not against the law
WHY NOT?
Code of Practice
"We'll pretend to be ethical"
should respect people's wishes
…
So the usual lack of any controls over big business when it comes to dumping on citizens (literally rubbish in this case) but they'll insult your intelligence by having a "code" loaded with weasel words like "should", "reasonable" and "respect" so they can pretend they're not actually doing what they're doing as they continue doing it.
Will the Junk Mail deliverers be first up against the wall when the revolution comes?
Royal Commission into Junk Mail Deliverers
The real idiots are the residents that take the junk mail from their boxes and litter the property and footpath area.
Happens at my place as well. Funny how people will gladly litter but they wouldn't do the same thing inside their own unit or house.
Yeah im dealing with those idiots too
Put a small bin attached to a chain near post box for recycling of catalogues.
Arrange through body corp.
Well thats what my unit complex has done.
i usually just put all junk mails to bodycorp postbox
runs
I'm lucky enough to have neighbours that are more consistent - they trash their own places too, one smells like cat pee all the time. I hope they get cancer.
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You sure they're not renting? If so, they're really trashing someone else's place.
Told the owner about the smell, the owner said they would send a letter… I was pretty surprised the owner didn't go round to smell for themselves and begin eviction process.
I used to hate eview dumping their wastes of paper in my letterbox, so I wrote an extra sign for them saying "no eview crap"
Never recieved their flyers again.
Perhaps you could make a similar sign?
whats eview
I assume these guys. I think the idea is you individually name the worst offenders.
Real estate agent. Every two days they'd put at least two "just listed" or "just sold" flyers in my box.
Real estate junk is honestly the worst offender in my area. I'd get 5 or 6 on a bad day from different agencies.
I've nicely asked them to stop putting them in boxes with 'no junk mail' signs before and more than one of them replied that their phamphlets weren't junk mail, so I signed them up for a junk email subscription service.
I leave them in my letterbox, so when the real estate agents put in new ones, they see the old ones and don't bother, haven't had any new ones in over 6 months
wait for them to come and tell them to stop
Move your mailboxes inside. That's what our complex did due to mailboxes getting broken into (not spam).
How do you get legit mail?
Australia Post have access to the mailboxes inside like other buildings. I think they punch in a code that let's them in the building.
Thats far too much common sense how on earth did you get that one though.
In all seriousness are you able to PM me some info, sounds like a great idea and quite a sensible system that offers you some decent security too, I'm interested in seeing if we can get something like that done.
@Toons: I'm not sure what the process was. I assume you contact Australia Post then let them know the boxes are inside.
Most modern electronic buzzer systems have the ability to put a code in (instead of a fob) to let contractors, mail people etc in.
for the pollies, I return to sender, for the coles junk I just bin it, for the local rag, I drive past there offices every morning and just chuck it at there front door from my car, like there delivery drivers do.
I drive past there offices every morning and just chuck it at there front door from my car, like there delivery drivers do.
Hay it came back! Something to read during my lunch.
The pollies I get spam from are being smart. They used to have big glossy envelopes with their ugly mugs on it and their party/electorate. Now, it has the generic 'If undelivered please return to PO Box xxxx' (like the banks) so without opening it, it's near impossible to tell if it's pollie spam or something more official/legitimate.
What Can You Do with Idiots That Can't Read NO Junk Mail?
Genuinely interested in what Darwinism has to do with this… short of Charles clawing his way through the earth to devour the soul of a leaflet dropper.
Survival of the fittest/intelligent, no more idiots!
Have you seen the fit and the intelligent?
If they're not gay, they only have kids at 35. Probably one or two kids.
Have you seen the fat and stupid? It's like they are raising kids so each of them can pay off an outstanding credit card bill.
Reverse Darwinism. Niwradism.
@Wystri Warrick: TOO WALLY TEXTY, MATE!
I do all my reading from a small phone screen.
I'll try to get through it though cause you put in the effort.
@[Deactivated]: Ooh sorry tshow :(.
Didn't really have to put in much effort, it was originally for someone else who I was pissed off with.
It's a little offensive, wasn't intended for you :(.
Btw also I don't like and don't defend people who go through life leaching of other people, at highschool there were a few people who I wanted to punch, or at least get stuck into.
One time a maggot was quarreling with a youth counselor because he didn't want to do any schoolwork, his exact words were "I only only come here to claim Centrelink", this guy I hated the most :(.
@Wystri Warrick: All of the examples given above are single incidences of brats being given a free ride.
The reason why these cases are highlighted isn't because it is the norm. These are the exceptions and they are the exceptions in a school with many other rich students.
Sure, these kids may grow up softer but perseverance is mutually independant to decision making skills.
The problem with the poor is very complex but I believe that a significant factor is multi generational failure. Why try when you do have not seen success nor the comforts that come with it? By extension, they're used to failure so why not try the offspring lottery?
So, if we are to go with Darwinism to reduce carelessness in mindless jobs, I think you'd be disappointed. The innovators and leaders are too busy to raise offspring and the underclass with their equal voting power will end up dictating the terms moving forward.
@[Deactivated]: Didn't mean for this to be so long.
Oh yes all the examples above are the exceptions, they are just a spoilt brats.
Yes I definitely agree with the problems with the poor are very complex, the multi generational failure and everything you said.
Though I believe the reason why many (not all) poor family's have many children is due to a few reasons, they don't know how to manage their money, safe sex isn't practiced, their children are the only real things in their lives that bring them joy, they don't have many material possessions that bring them joy and as you said 'Why try when you do have not seen success nor the comforts that come with it?'
With the middle class and up they practice safe sex, they know the cost of a child and (correct me if I'm wrong) due to their higher income they aren't eligible for any baby bonuses, school and youth allowances etc.
Whereas people on lower incomes get this support, so they are like what's one more kid, we don't have any material possessions, Centrelink will help with some of the costs of raising a child, we will be a little worse off but hey we aren't exactly living it up etc.
One of the things that bugs me is seeing kids get off to a poor start in life just because they were born into a poor family, every kid should have the best start in life to reach their full potential.
But the problem is the people who don't want to achieve anything in their life, they just want to live of other people, play video games and abuse substances, and if this person is a financially poor person they'll just apply for X amount of jobs per fortnight at a job search centre then they'll be eligible to claim their Newstart of $550 a fortnight, and they'll just continue to do this for the rest of their lives, living of the tax payer, these are the people who give the poor a bad name and I really do not like these people.
Also I believe that there is a incentive to keep people at the bottom, for instance if every child were to achieve their full potential that would mean they would have a full education, then the poor kids would be competing for the higher paying jobs, there's not enough high paying jobs for everyone and someone has got to do the low paying jobs, someone has got to collect the rubbish etc. Speaking for me I don't want to have a low paying job and I also don't want to collect the rubbish.
And this is why I believe we don't have free education, we don't have free University education anymore.
BTW I'm sorry for taking my anger out on you.
I know there's a popular comment badge for 30 upvotes, I wonder if there's a unpopular comment badge for -30, looks like I might make it lol 😂.
BTW I'm sorry for taking my anger out on you.
I know there's a popular comment badge for 30 upvotes, I wonder if there's a unpopular comment badge for -30, looks like I might make it lol 😂.
I genuinely did not get the impression I was being lashed out at. I've had people call me all sorts of things just so they can invalidate me.
If you want safe upvotes, just parrot the popular sentiment.
don't know how to manage their money, safe sex isn't practiced,
their children are the only real things in their lives that bring them joy, they don't have many material possessions that bring them joy
Contrary to the popular "broken family of the aristocrats and their pitifully rich offspring peering through the window of the poor but content and loving family", I would claim the opposite is true.
If poor families are closer knit because they believe in strength or whatever, through family, then by that same logic, the rich family got there by actually successfully being close knit.
I have employees, friends and associates across all walks of life and there is always a clear correlation (exceptions of course exist) - the poor fight and the families are a mess.
Rich people do not become rich because of cosmic forces. Sure, some are born into it but those who are rich only because of the circumstances of their birth do not stay rich for long.
On the other hand, people who truly (not just claim they do) practise the virtues of family unity, respect and hard work will at least be not poor.
One of the things that bugs me is seeing kids get off to a poor start in life just because they were born into a poor family
This is a problem that will continue to exist long after we are both rotten beyond dust. If it bugs you, you're not doing life right. Whilst you should be indifferent to all things inevitable, you shouldn't be affected by them.
The best we can do is strive to provide equal opportunity for them. That we can achieve so it is worth doing. Similar to the poor not trying, we shouldn't move towards equal outcome which is what the "societally minded" try to push because it simply isn't achievable.
There are no metrics for what an equal life should be.
If we set up to fail, we will surely be successful at it.
@[Deactivated]: When I first joined Ozbargain, it was the first online medium where I really started to talk to people online, and I took negs hard lol, they really don't bother me now though.
This is a problem that will continue to exist long after we are both rotten beyond dust. If it bugs you, you're not doing life right. Whilst you should be indifferent to all things inevitable, you shouldn't be affected by them.
The best we can do is strive to provide equal opportunity for them. That we can achieve so it is worth doing. Similar to the poor not trying, we shouldn't move towards equal outcome which is what the "societally minded" try to push because it simply isn't achievable.
Agree.
There are no metrics for what an equal life should be.
If we set up to fail, we will surely be successful at it.
I'll drink to that, cheers tshow 🍺/☕ :).
What's the big deal? Just throw it away
Or possibly into the recycle bin?
of course!
People not wanting to have to deal with extra junk? What right does it give delivery people to ignore a request such as "no junk mail"?
calling some a loser is horrible. that could be someones livelihood you are insulting
Could also be a retired person doing it just to keep busy. Chances are they are better off than the OP.
I'm paid by fence company to litter on your lawn randomly with a pamphlet of fencing construction. Despite the DNL sign, I do it because I need to survive?
The fencing company knows I ignore the DNL sign, especially since most of the area has DNL signs. So either I be polite and walk more or ignore the signs to quickly dispense the materials.
The livelihood excuse will promote disrespect. So, I disagree with you.
Wtf? Couldn’t understand your gibberish.
I said calling someone a loser because their occupation is a junk mail deliver is horrible as it is their livelihood. I never endorsed ignoring the no junk signs.
Just like any occupation, there are good employees and bad employees, and a junk mail deliverer who can't read a no-junk-mail sign is a loser.
@Blitzfx: yes but the OP statement states all people who deliver pamphlets are losers.
a person delivering pamphlets is earnest an honest living as opposed the pro dole bludgers and families who deliberately have kids to sponge off welfare
@Donaldhump: Hmm I interpreted OP's statement differently. Had he said subcontracted loserS , then yeah.
But I read it as him raging at the companies subcontracting some loser, a person in particular, someone who keeps on delivering it into no-junk-mail box
Can you not put a recycling bin next to the mailboxes then people can chuck it straight in there instead of on the floor.
The people who deliver these probably get paid by how many they deliver so I can understand why they deliver to all houses regardless of your sign, they probably also believe that the info they deliver is not junk and worthwhile reading. They are also probably not losers too, just normal people or kids looking for some extra money.
Can you not put a recycling bin next to the mailboxes then people can chuck it straight in there instead of on the floor.
We tried that, it started to become a natural bin with apple, maccaz wrappers etc.
Make a slot so you can only fit paper in it.
Jeez it sounds like your neighbours are the "losers" not the paper boy.
Make a slot so you can only fit paper in it.
This. If Auto assume people are the worst, then you can automatically compensate it for it without too much effort.
A bit like not getting your rubbish bin in early enough. Saw somebody put their plastic wrapped dog turd in someone’s empty wheelie bin the other day; that seemed a bridge too far given rubbish collection would be another week away.
We tried that, it started to become a natural bin with apple, maccaz wrappers etc.
There's someone throwing organic refuse in your recycle bin and you're taking issue with and blaming the leaflet dropper.
Misdirected anger much?
Are "maccaz wrappers" organic?
Or go one step further and just put a sign on the bin that says "pamphlet deliveries". The delivery people have still "delivered" it, and it's going straight into a bin.
Get a chair
Cut a generous hole in the seat.
Get a mooring rope and knot the end.
Master the English accent.
Enjoy.
2 MASSIVE signs
Happened in an apartment complex I used to live in. Get the individual stickers (like this one) and put it on your mailbox. Works better.
Yes, there's a problem with the global signs as they probably aren't enough to anchor a breach.
Signs on each post box is the go.
Actually, when I did a stint of junk mail walking, we were told to not put anything in a mailbox with any kind of sign on it. Even now, I have scrubbed the NO off the 'no junk mail' sign, and I still DON'T get any junk mail even though I actually like it…
We were told people will call up if they get junk mail when they have a sign saying not to, and we'd get into trouble. So yes you CAN call up the distribution company and complain.
So yes you CAN call up the distribution company and complain.
How do I find them?
at the time I did some of this (nearly 40 years back - oy!) I was told by my supervisor that "it is not 'junk mail' - it is important advertsing material."
I wasn't convinced and usually skipped the "no junk mail" boxes anyway.
Better are the "No unsolicited mail" signs which cover the "important advertising material" as well :)
guys who deliver it just wanna make a buck
so place a recycling bin next to ur mailbox and place a sign, all junk mail here please
Local real estate agent didn't get the hint, even when the sign read NO JUNK MAIL (this includes real estate material).
Two followup phone calls didn't work, but the third did when I said that for every further item I'd book a property evaluation under a different name and no-show.
ok so that fixed up the Real Estate junk with things like:
So how do I stop the Discount Chemists, Yellow Envlope and Dominos rubbish?
Maybe they didn't consider it to be junk.
The first appointment:
"We thought you wanted to sell your house?"
"Well I thought this 'No Junk Mail' sign on my mail box would stop your junk mail, but apparently not."
Obviously you can't contact these companies as they've sub sub sub sub contracted some loser to deliver them
Who are you to call someone a loser for trying to earn a living?
A distributor is getting paid to deliver to possible interested parties. If they're mis-delivering to No Junk Mail boxes then they're not doing their job. Don't confuse 'trying to make a living' with 'not doing their job properly'.
If they're paid to deliver a route and have some left over, do you think they should dump the extras in a recycling bin? Makes no difference to the recipients but the advertiser probably wouldn't want to pay for those ones.
If they're mis-delivering to No Junk Mail boxes then they're not doing their job.
According to you perhaps, but following the advice of some label purchased from Bunnings is a courtesy more than anything, and definitely not a reflection of one's ability to do their job properly.
I agree with gth and call them losers when they dump mail where there is a sticker advising not to.
I also know the reasoning behind this, they dont want to return with a large amount of volumes and not get paid.
It's a vicious cycle because of the following cycle;
@frostman: Right, well I disagree with both of you and would rate someone that delivers 'junk mail' for a living higher than those that berate them on an online forum for not following their passive-aggressive sticker suggestion.
@magic8ballgag: Don't misconstrue the message, you're also paraphrasing which is equally dangerous.
I don't recall aligning my message to suggest: Mail delivery people are losers because they deliver junk mail for a living.
You should get yourself a job Ch9; A Current Affair programme , they''d hire you in an instant.
The sticker is not Passive Aggressive either, you have a right to refuse junk mail just as you do when you unsubscribe online to NOT receive it.
When the person doing the delivery disregards it, places Junk Mail resulting in wastage paper and mess, then I will call them a Loser to their faces, not just on an online forum. I'd challenge you also to bring people that can refute that claim.
I don't recall aligning my message to suggest: Mail delivery people are losers because they deliver junk mail for a living.
Regardless, you're agreeing with gth, who was agreeing with the OP; and that's what the OP stated.
The sticker is not Passive Aggressive either, you have a right to refuse junk mail just as you do when you unsubscribe online to NOT receive it.
Of course you can, that doesn't mean anyone delivering mail is required to abide by it, and it certainly doesn't make them a loser for doing so.
When the person doing the delivery disregards it, places Junk Mail resulting in wastage paper and mess, then I will call them a Loser to their faces,
That says a lot about you as a person, right alongside the OP.
They dont want to return with a large amount of volumes and not get paid
incorrect, we were gps tracked and paid by the length of streets covered. Doesn't matter if you finish with leftover flyers, it will be returned
@djprima: So if it isn't to get paid more, why do they continue to dump it through mailboxes with no junk mail stickers?
@downbythecreek: Usually because being asked to by the client. Some businesses ask the walkers to ignore the stickers
If they're mis-delivering to No Junk Mail boxes then they're not doing their job
Not necessarily so. Sometimes they are ASKED to deliver to No Junk Mail boxes. I've replied in some of the comments, just want to correct common misconception
I guess that's where those businesses/clients should realise that foisting their junk mail on people who have specifically requested "NO JUNK MAIL" will be blacklisted by me. There are specific real estate agents that ask the postie to mail their junk for them, and I will NEVER use those real estate agents for that reason. If they can't respect people's wishes on that small level, then they're never going to respect the wishes of people when they want to sell their home.
I believe the correct wording for your sign is “Australia Post mail deliveries only” or similar.
Junk mail signs are just ignored. They need to be specific.
The Australia Post catalogue is officially brought to you by Australia Post themselves, so it will always arrive.
What about those cheap packages from China which other couriers deliver and just dump in the letterbox though?
Sounds like an Ozbargainer pranking you.
I have two on my letter box. I started off with 'ADDRESSED MAIL ONLY' which did absolutely nothing. I then added, just as prominantly, 'NO JUNK MAIL' and guess what? made zero difference :(
My thoughts are that junk mail deliverers who deliver to "NO JUNK MAIL" labelled boxes are illiterate and can't read, because if they could, then they would realise what that arrangement of letters meant, and not deliver the junk mail to that mailbox. So feel sorry for them, because they are illiterate or mentally challenged and are just trying to make a small amount of money with their job. That's what I've decided, because after ten years of no junk mail (I put up a sign), recently I've suddenly started receiving the giant rolled up logs of junk mail and so I dump it straight in recycling and feel sorry for the poor person who can't read. If I was really bothered I'd set up some sort of motion-activated camera and figure out when they deliver and confront them and EXPLAIN that they really really DON'T need to deliver to us and explain what the arrangement of letters is because clearly they can't read.
Random AustPost != junk mail.