Hello my fellow ozbargainers
Today i eneterd a school zone( the one in the Woodville road before you reach Rawson road while coming from liverpool side) before 2.30 but as i was driving, the school time started. And i was doing over 50. So will I get the fine? What are the regulation in that case?
Thank you
School Zone Speed Limit
LMotherfather on 07/03/2019 - 20:07
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Highly unlikely, generally any speed enforcement will commence once the time for school zone speed is well underway. This usually excludes the time when it just kicks in.
Having said this, my comments only apply for mobile cameras. Fixed cameras will be tuned to a time on a central server somewhere so will be understandably more accurate with their enforcing.
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You should be fine - if the fine comes it comes and you can appeal it then. But for now? Don't worry about it.
So will I get the fine? What are the regulation in that case?
It's pretty cut and dry - at 2.30pm, the speed limit changes to 40. You can get fined, whether you will or not depends on whether there's a camera or not.
It's pretty cut and dry - at 2.30pm the speed limit changes to 40.
Not really - who's time would you go by to say it's exactly 2:30? In the absence of an indicator such as the flashing lights that some school zones have, I don't think a leeway of one minute would cut the reasonableness test in court.
who's time would you go by to say it's exactly 2:30?
We only have one time……
Isn’t that dentist time??
Tooth-hurty… geddit… tooth…. hurty…. :D
I agree with you in the sense that there is a good chance it would not hold in court. However, all of that is moot here because OP accepts that he was driving over the speed limit after the limit had already come in place. Therefore, there is no dispute about whether the limit had come in place or not. OP simply forgot that the speed limit changed, which is, let's be honest, the same reason as why many fines are issued.
The time displayed on a mobile phone is as accurate as it may be. Op could try and look at phone next time they drive in a school zone to make sure.
lol - no. Whatever camera used will be timestamped and I there's no way you could contest the time on one of those bad-boys
I think you've missed my point - What I meant was, the clock that the camera goes by is not visible to anyone. The camera is meant to be activated at 2:30. But at any given time, there's going to be variances in people's watches, clocks in the car, etc. Therefore, they would have to have a reasonable allowance, perhaps of a few minutes, after the camera's internal timer turns to 2:30pm to cater for those variations.
No, that's a terrible idea.
Why would it be a terrible idea?
They'd have to have some leeway between when the time the lower speed limit applies and when the time the camera lowers it's threshold to match that lower limit.For example, if the school zone times are 2:30pm to 4:00pm, the cameras are activated at the lower speed between 2:32pm and deactivated at 3:58pm. I'm just using 2 minutes here as an example - I dont know what the actual leeway would be.
The logic is no different to the way the speed cameras are set. They wouldn't fine someone at 61km/h in a 60km/h zone because that ticket would get thrown out in court.
@bobbified: Which is easier?
A) All drivers being mindful the time for 40KM/h is approaching, or
B) for the authorities to assess each case on it's merit of I thought it was 2:28PM, I swear!!1!
You, as a driver, have the responsibility to make sure you are driving at the designated speed limit at the designated time - the authorities are cut and dry about this because we're talking about a school zone, here. They don't want people to be toeing the line because they thought it was 2:29PM but really it was 2:32PM.
Which is easier?
It's not about which is easier. The easiest would be to keep the whole stretch 40km/h 24 hours.
The law needs to be fair and it needs to be able to stand up to scrutiny. When less than a minute means the difference between whether someone is forced to cough up a few hundred dollars or not, they better have big signs and flashing lights to warn people or have some sort of allowance so only those travelling well within the restricted timeframes are fined.
You're also forgetting that it can go the other way and you could be fined if you're clock is a few minutes or whatever faster than the camera's clock at "4:00pm".
You, as a driver, have the responsibility to make sure you are driving at the designated speed limit at the designated time - the authorities are cut and dry about this because we're talking about a school zone, here.
The way the law is enforced has nothing to do with it being in a school zone or not. They are not cut and dry as you put it, otherwise they would be fining people for travelling 41km/h in the 40km/h zone - but they don't and the normal leeway still applies… even in a school zone.
@bobbified: Honing the speedo in is very different to adjusting your clock to the correct time. And we're talking about doing, say,10 or 20KM/H over the speed limit because the driver mistakenly thought the time was 4:01PM. Which is more likely to draw ire from the Police - doing 41KM/h in a 40KM/h zone, or doing 20KM/h over the limit in a school zone?
20KM/H over the speed limit because the driver mistakenly thought the time was 4:01PM
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
You're driving perfectly within the law and then the next second or minute, you're 20km/h over the speed limit. But you can't tell exactly when that happens because you can't see the camera's clock. How is that fair?I did find the report released from by the Camera Commissioner after the Ring Road investigation. (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://…) where, as expected, they state that there's a grace period (page 6):
"When the speed limit is lowered, a grace period is applied, to allow a reasonable period for any motorists in the vicinity to comply with the change in speed limit. The duration of the grace period varies and depends on various circumstances and factors. It is a Victoria Police matter."
Also refer to Point 52 (page 9) where he states that "…a significant number of incidents which were detected but were rejected due to factors which included:
i) Grace period" (followed by three other factors that I haven't quoted).
Try coming to QLD, it's 7–9am and 2–4pm
Should be 8am-4pm every school day like in the ACT
Some schools here are 7am-4pm. I would presume they get adjusted depending on the circumstances (possibly at the request of the school?).
There's one in particular I always find funny if I drive past on a school day: nary a soul to be seen, but school zone active @ 40kmh.
Come Saturday - cars, kids everywhere for sports. Speed limit 60kmh because it's not a school day.
You are right. Sports day is even more chaotic because kids and parents are arriving and leaving at different times.
I can guess as to the reason for down votes above. But the reality of the slower limits is a few seconds at most added to your travel. Overall I believe that urban limits are too high for pedestrian, child, elderly safety. We have built our cities around getting 2 robbed of metal through as fast as possible and we need to start rethinking the safety and convenience of the local community over and above those that choose to travel through.
@Euphemistic: Interesting as I wasn't even being for or against school zones/times, was more stating some facts and curiosities.
I do agree but - 40kmh school zones are important as it makes it that much more likely you won't hit a child, and as you said it adds stuff all to your journey. The people downvoting that are likely the same ones that don't let drivers merge onto the highway (and thus cause traffic issues for their fellow drivers behind them).
Not all schools in QLD, our ones are 7.30 to 9 and 2.30 to 4
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/School-road-safety/Safe-sc…
Yeah I saw that page before I posted, just figured I'd post the majority figures, without the exceptions.
HI, welcome to the forum
Thanks, I've been here a while though.
Remember to set you car clock 5 mins late, i.E: 2:30 real time, 2:25 car time, only works if you are actually pulled over and talk to a cop.
Always refer to your in car clock as your only way to tell time take photo while talking to cop as evidence. It would be hard for court to say "book em danno" if you can prove you consulted the car clock and thought you were within limits time wise?
not sure if trolling or complete stupidity
i changed my wheels from 14" to 21" , so i can still travel at 100km/h while being faster than others.
But if you enter the school zone at 4:01 on your clock you’ll get done speeding because it’s only 3:56
No, the cameras are delayed to allow a driver at the normal speed limit time to pass through.
Say it's a 60km road and it would take 30 seconds to travel between the cameras at the normal speed of 60Kmh. The camera will not apply the 40 speed till at least 30 seconds after the posted restriction time.
Same thing for tunnels, if you have ever received a fine in the tunnels it will show a photo of the speed on entry to the tunnel, so you can't say "but i entered before a certain time or the speed changed whilst i was in the tunnel etc". It's all been covered.
Radar/Lidar is a different story, but Police are aware of the tolerances.
Same thing for tunnels, if you have ever received a fine in the tunnels it will show a photo of the speed on entry to the tunnel, so you can't say "but i entered before a certain time or the speed changed whilst i was in the tunnel etc". It's all been covered.
The speed can and does change in many tunnels? Plenty of times I've entered the tunnel at 80km/h, but the speed changed to 60km/h midway through because there's been a lane closure. Other times, there's been a crash, so I enter at 40 km/h, but after the wreckage, the speed goes back up to 80km/h.
Simple solution: if it is near school time just slow down. Occasionally you’ll get it wrong and be going a little slow, but the kids will be safer
Worst case scenario you will get a nice high quality photo of you driving down Woodville Rd. They do supply both colour and black and white copies. I myself have received the same photography package on Woodville Rd. I plan to use them when I sell my car.
So will I get the fine? What are the regulation in that case?
Can someone help me out here - OP doesn't mention any camera. Not every single OzBargainer knows which damn street/school this person is talking about, nor the relevance of cameras to this school.
I'd say he means the school zone on Woodville Rd just before Orchardleigh St where the school is. There's a big school zone sign with a speed camera.
Cheeky
come down to Canberra it's from 8.am to 4.pm continuous
You're screwed
If you're driving within school zone hours, it's up to you to be within the correct speed limit. A cop would most likely let you off unless they're having a bad day.
Up to you if you want to take the risk driving at 50km/h for that extra minute before it's 2:30pm.