How is the transition to EVs going to reconcile the fact that most don't have a garage to charge in?

Unless you live in a particularly tech-y apartment, own a house, work somewhere that will let you charge, or rent a house that happens to have a garage with power, you have pretty much zero capacity to charge your vehicle with any semblance of regularity. I don't have any figures, but I reckon that's a significant fraction of Australian car users gone in those categories.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

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  • Swap ya battery at the service station

  • Doesn't the base model Tesla cost something like 180k? This won't be an issue for at least 15+ years for most people.

    • I don't know how much a new Tesla costs, but there's there Hyundai Ioniq EV coming out that cost 45k, Renault Kangoo & Zoe that cost 50k, new Nissan Leaf that should be around the 50k mark too, not to mention used Leafs, and then you have the BMW i3 at about 80k. That's just the ones I know of and that are on the market now (ish, Hyundai out soon) let alone ones that will come out over the next two years. More competition will mean cheaper prices, we'll see a sub-40k EV pretty darn soon I'd say.

    • 180k?
      Not the model 3.
      60K ish, thanks to luxury car tax and Australia being Australia

  • +2

    To understand if Electric will take over the market, we can go visit Beijing and Shanghai. In majority of parking spot places (indoor and outdoor), they have a electric charging station for electric cars. This is still a rare sight in Australia. The consumers have matured to understand electric vehicles' capability as well as the cost savings attached to it. Majority of the bike are electric too - including those the use in commercial purpose.

    Even with this level of maturity - petrol and diesel cars still forms majority of the vehicles on the road.

    This won't change unless the Govt put in a drastic law to stop the sale and ownership of petrol/diesel based vehicle. Now don't get me started about how expensive EV in Australia can be because, well, we are in the middle of nowhere….

    I just return from Shanghai and totally gobsmacked by how backwards we are. serious - we are really backwards. My perspective totally changed - and for any OZB members to think you gonna get cheap labour in china. Thinak again…

    • This won't change unless the Govt put in a drastic law

      You're talking about China here. They've a government that may basically do anything to their citizens without regards to human rights.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China

      Play by their rules or end up here.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

      • +2

        I just return from Shanghai and totally gobsmacked by how backwards we are. serious - we are really backwards

        You can still get thrown in jail for saying things the government doesn't like there. Not sure where is more backwards?

        • Democracy is highly inefficient for policies made for the actual betterment of society.

          The person you voted to represent you, do you even know their backstory or how they think?

          Politics in Australia is actually crippling our future with bickering and not getting things done, selling off assets in the name of budget repair but not spending where it is most significant to better the lives of citizens.

          Vote for Prime Minister Tyrion Lannister!

          See NBN and Telstra for more details Turnbull has shares in French Telecom that will be employing FTTP yet he canned NBN's FTTP model

    • +2

      Almost all Asian countries are ahead of Australia. Being a Vietnamese living down under, I'm quite shocked at how fast Vietnam economy is growing, especially since joining WTO in 2007. Another example is Myanmar, they don't use stupid phones at all, instead they go straight from no phone to smart phones.

      Australian government, on the other hand, spent the whole 2017 to debate on same-sex marriage and dual citizenship saga. Too much attitude and too much bullshit, unfortunately.

  • +2

    I'm trying to spend 500-600 annually for a car that keeps me going, i.e. buying crap cars under 2k and dump them within 2-3 years with some cash back (either from metal scraper or re-sale value), until driverless / Fleet EVs becomes viable, alledgedly 2030.

  • +2

    Ask the government to make a National Garage Network like the NBN.

    • Unfortunately the fast charge leads will only reach to the edge of the suburb though. You will then need to install a new meter box which CJ will also require replacing all your lights and kettle to meet the new standard supply.

  • +1

    I suspect that in the not too distant future, say 2040 at the latest, anyone who lives inner-city will need a permit to even own a car, at least one not running Historic plates. Even then, you'll need to show you actually have a parking space assigned. I suspect that this is much closer than people expect in reality either directly or by means of taxes.

    There will of course be exemptions, but that to me is the only way cities can survive with ever increasing population levels.

    Personally I'm not a fan at all, but I struggle to see any realistic alternative.

    So, to answer the original question, I suspect that it's going to cease to be an issues for many. Autonomous cars, or at least Uber and their clones will become the norm for most everyday travel in cities where public transport doesn't work.

    For longer journeys then of course hire cars and so on will be an option but in 20 years how many people will actually have valid driving licenses? Just a thought re the latter, but many city dwellers don't bother getting a license now now so why will that change in the future?

    • 2040

      We just want to live long enough to see this.
      https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/jpg/201707/the-cars-in-bla…

      • Looking at road fatalities by the human driver not going to happen anytime soon but hey you never know if more alien tech starts to fall off from the skies.

        It's not going to happen unless the human mind evolves with AI chipset built in the brain (sort of like the UPGRADE movie that has someone speaking to you) or….flying by an AI completely hmmm I wonder if Tesla will be the one.

  • Everything old is new again. 1909 electric car in Jay Leno’s collection. Apparently 15000 were sold and had a 100 mile range, admittedly slowly, but fast enough in the city for its time. In New York there were charging stations ‘everywhere’

    https://youtu.be/OhnjMdzGusc

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