Optus have update their tablet plans with the new iPad pros being available, although new plans don’t have unmetered streaming for free anymore (costs additional $5 p/month).
The base 11 inch model is $75 per month over 24 months with 100GB data & 100GB bonus data (minimum cost $1800). Additional $10 per month if you want the 256GB iPad Pro 11 version (minimum cost $2040).
What's there to comment? It sacrifices structural integrity for minimal size and weight.
It is what it is.
Apple's comment? Simple. "It is by design."
Or… you're holding it wrong
Exactly. Don't sit on it or try to bend it…
Folding it wrong
I always forget my Ipad Pro is in my back pocket and sit on it :(
@cypher67: Yes clearly you never seen people with kids. Yes it happens. Kids will not just sit on these. May even try to step on them.
@Danstar: Ofcourse its not ideal for electronic devices with a screen like phones or tablets to be sat on or stepped on. Never said anything to the contrary.
All i am saying is in an ideal world it wont happen. In the real world we all live in. It happens.
@smartazz104: I do, 2 actually. Hence I won't be getting them one, they can deal with the iPad 2. If I was to buy one, theres no way on earth it'll be in hands reach.
obviously users fault it happened.
You are holding it wrong.
You are storing it wrong.
It is the best iPad Pro yet.
No free case for you.
I would never have a device like this without a cover and, I expect, most people with these would be the same. I suspect this will be another "noise" problem like "Bendgate". This was going to "ruin Apple", and it became another nothing burger because Apple stepped up and dealt with it; they are good at that. I have an iPhone 6plus and it is as straight as it was when I bought it. Then again, I know how to look after things.
How’s a cover going to stop it from bending though?
… and in other news:
Delicate and fragile crystal vase smashes when dropped on concrete floor.
It's the design of the vase fault
Placing the vase wrong.
Handling policy.
There isn't any issues … OFC it going (profanity) bend IT (profanity) MASSIVE PAD if you going to bend like what JerryRig did to it, it was expected. Is not like you going to stuff that ipad in your back pocket and sit down.
Put it in a case made from galvanised iron or stainless steel and you should be fine. Titanium would be even better if you can afford it.
Thanks for sharing your opinion, I like apple products and was close to buying the new ipad pro for its extremely fast cpu, read your comment did a bit of research and crazy tests people do, it appears it is very easy to bend one and apparently some people got it bent out of box.
Will hold off for upgraded version, poor quality copared to surface pro,
Every ultra thin tablet bend, oh wait, there is no android tables who use it it yucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFPgVw2F4k
Why don’t u go try bend your led tv?
Every ultra thin tablet bend, oh wait, there is no android tables who use it it yucks.
Profound.
The swipe up is in the same location every time. People who own an X series already use to it and have no issue. And android already do lots of dumb things without copying apple yet they try and copy apple anyway.
Not if the app is in horizontal orientation. Listen, this is about people who don't know anything about Android. I can no longer tell my family members, swipe up from the bottom (from this particular spot). I have to tell them, look at the horizon bar thingy on the screen. Swipe up from that position.
Killing a mis-behaving app for non-tech savvy person is harder too (it's swipe up but not all the way, and slightly towards right (or left) helps). I had to go through it via a video call. This never happened with the older iPhone (double click home button to bring up the list of active apps).
Also, the battery percentage - that was initially one of the cool features iPhones have (it took AGES for Android to put it into the Android OS). On iPhone XS, you need to swipe down to check it.
My family member needed help to turn off an iPhone XS Max at an airport (I wasn't with her at the time). The young person who helped her at the end had to GOOGLE to find out how to do it.
Not if the app is in horizontal orientation. Listen, this is about people who don't know anything about Android. I can no longer tell my family members, swipe up from the bottom (from this particular spot). I have to tell them, look at the horizon bar thingy on the screen. Swipe up from that position.
The swipe up will always be from the bottom. Old people can tell what the bottom of the app is, because they have functioning eyes.
Have you used the iPad Pro? Or an iPhone X or later? Some of the things you say, especially about turning off and on the device and swiping, are wrong.
I have used iPhone XS max. I was even at an Apple store. The Apple staff gave me a look when he told me to hold the Siri button and the volume down button to turn the iPhone XS Max off.
After I told my relative (who owns that phone) how to turn it off repeatedly before she went overseas, she forgot. At the airport, a young person could not turn it off for her initially. He had to google and then helped her.
@netsurfer: Ok, but non-tech savvy people are just as likely to have problems using android phones too. Seems like you’ve got an ‘anti-Apple’ stance no matter what they do.
@ihavecentsnotsense: Are you serious? I bought that iPhone XS Max. How can I be anti-Apple if I bought an iPhone XS Max?
You are missing the point. The whole point buying Apple is that it makes life easier for people who just want to use the device. The recent changes are not user friendly at all.
I don't want to get started on the face unlock. That caused me headache as well. It's about getting rid of features/designs which made Apple iPhones great. I WANT them still. Now, there is no choice.
@netsurfer: You wrote that you ‘used it’, not bought it. But congrats on your purchase. The iOS operating system is easier for most people, and believe it or not, but most people don’t even turn off their devices regularly if that’s an issue for you. Changing to a swipe up from a button push for home screen (for example) isn’t a steep learning curve for most people. It’s about as complicated as learning to push the home button in the first place, if they can do that they can learn to swipe up instead? In any case, those interface changes occur also in Android, and a lot less consistently than in iOS as well, considering all the skins manufacturers put on them too.
I’m not really sure what your problem is - you seem to be complaining that technological advancements are making slight changes to the interface that people will have to learn. But if these things didn’t happen, we’d still have the same phones we did 5+ years ago. And then you’d probably complain that we aren’t seeing any good technology!
@ihavecentsnotsense: You are again missing the point. What made Apple great was not needing to swipe up to get a list of tasks. Why do you think Samsung continued to keep the home button for as long as they could. It is only that they know iPhone X gets rid of it that they also got rid of it? Having that bar is not a good UI design. No battery percentage on top left is not good either (it was something Android users yearned for very early on).
I had people pressing the home button touch spot on Android tablets . I understand home button is a component that can break more easily, but it is still a good idea. The ability to touch the home button to unlock, rather than look at the phone directly then swipe up is a big plus.
@netsurfer: Well, if the home button is so important to you, I assume you would prioritise that feature over others. As you purchased the iPhone XS Max, you obviously felt the other benefits outweighed the loss of the home button. You seem to be regretting your purchase though!
I honestly don’t see how swiping, instead of pushing, is any worse. Like I think you’re really making a huge deal out of something that isn’t even a huge issue for most people. And the button still exists on devices still currently sold!
And there are plenty of android phones getting rid of home buttons now. Take a look around!
@ihavecentsnotsense: You keep trying to change the topic. You wrote:
Some of the things you say, especially about turning off and on the device and swiping, are wrong
So tell me how to turn off iPhone XS Max by pressing just 1 button. Apple store staff's official response is use two buttons.
It should be fine for Apple users / customers to criticise their products. It's about Apple taking their market dominating position for granted. They are taking great features away. Not just iPhones. Macbook Pro touchbars (which led to removal physical keys for Esc and function keys), removal of USB-A ports, MagSafe). USB-C ports (even if you want to replace all ports, at least keep the total number of ports the same). Taking things away and replace them with inferior alternatives (and hype them up) is bad. Since we let them get away with them, they just keep on doing that.
@netsurfer: I’m not changing the topic, we’ve been discussing this same topic for a while now (some might say for too long). Other people above have pointed out where you’re wrong, I’m not going to repeat it.
It’s totally fine for you to criticise the products, but you’ve bought those very same products you criticise. Then you say we ‘let them get away’ with it, but you are doing exactly that - by buying a phone without the home button you seem to love so much. If you want to teach them a lesson, buy a phone with a home button. If everyone did that, Apple would still have home buttons! But an alternative (Face ID) has been developed that the majority of customers adopt, so that’s what will be used going forward. It’s called market forces, which Apple is susceptible to just as much as any other company.
And then what’s the alternative? In your world (with home buttons and USB-a ports), phones/computers would still be the same as decades ago! Do you know how many people probably complained when floppy disks were phased out? Do we miss them now?!
Seriously, if you want older technology with its buttons and older connections, you still have options and you can keep using the same old things you’ve been using for the last 5+ years. Meanwhile the world will move on without you.
@ihavecentsnotsense: You keep assuming you know me. I bought the iPhone XS Max for someone else. That means that person wants it, not me. Why do you think I haven't bought one for myself yet?
USB-A comment is for Macbook Pro. You continue to bend around / twist my point. My point is, have a home button equivalent somewhere (or a dedicated Siri/Home button), rather than having a power on (but NOT power off) Siri button. The fingerprint reader can still be there somewhere (even at the back). In case you STILL don't get it:
Now, with iPad Pro going USB-C. It is less of an issue for Apple users with Donglebooks (Macbook Pro's) since those would have some dongles already. How about people who bought lightning accessories. Why couldn't Apple also have the lightning port.
If you really think pressing two buttons to turn of the phone is "new" technology. Needing to look at the phone AND swipe up is ALWAYS better. Swipe down to check battery percentage is right way forward, you are seriously an Apple fanboy.
USB-C, oh.. you have no idea. Apple, wanting to cut cost, changed the 1m USB-C to lightning cable to USB 2.0 (it used to be USB 3.0). Sure, the right way forward. Good one Apple.
Are you serious? I bought that iPhone XS Max. How can I be anti-Apple if I bought an iPhone XS Max?
You keep assuming you know me. I bought the iPhone XS Max for someone else. That means that person wants it, not me. Why do you think I haven't bought one for myself yet?
Well…
@ihavecentsnotsense: They should add auto lock for iphones, like they do for ipads (when using a cover) for when phone goes in your pocket or purse.
@Danstar: Magnet wake up for iPhone would be good. But, I still cannot think of a good solution with Face ID. Looking directly at the phone isn't 100% ideal in some cases, the mandatory swipe up slows it down. This was one of the annoyances a colleague mentioned - when she is in the car, sometimes it is just annoying to need to grab the phone and look at it. When she needs to pass her phone to her son, it can be annoying (used to be place finger on the home button, give it to son).
Certainly welcome the magnet unlock (Apple introduced it first anyway - for iPad). Double tap feels more like copying Android.
@netsurfer: You don’t know what you’re talking about - you don’t actually need to look at the iPhone X to unlock it. You can change that in the settings, it’s very simple. The default is only to require attention to unlock it.
You seem to have set ideas of what a phone must/must not do and any phone that strays from that is bad. I think you are setting yourself up to be a very unhappy customer in future as you’re not willing to change or adapt to new technology.
@ihavecentsnotsense: I don't think that's the default for Face ID. My colleague complained about it as well. Where is this setting?
We are not talking about disabling Face ID. I don't understand how you can use Face ID without looking at the phone?
Please answer for once why pressing two buttons to turn off the iPhone is "better".
@ihavecentsnotsense: That is just to improve Face ID from not unlocking the iPhone if it thinks the matching rate is not high enough.
You cannot unlock the iPhone with Face ID if your phone is mounted in a car kit facing the your children sitting at the back and you are in the driver seat. You need to move your head to look at the phone (so the true depth camera lenses can see sufficient portion of your face).
The default is only to require attention to unlock it.
Again, that's incorrect. That's not the default. Furthermore, that's playing with words again. You are taking advantage of me writing "looking" at the phone. Basically, you used to be able to not have your face visible to your phone to unlock (fingerprint unlock).
@ihavecentsnotsense: ihavecentsnotsense, I am going to try to explain it one more time.
The main point is that, iPhone X/XS/XR made compromises. It started with the removal of home button. Apple removed the home button because it wanted to make full screen (or close to full screen) phones. The issue is that the home button has been an integral part of iPhone for so long, taking it out is a challenge. Another reason is that it is a component known to break or wear out (so more warranty service from Apple).
Putting the button at the back sends the wrong message (and increases cost). A solution to completely get rid of it was desirable. But, the solution Apple came up with is just similar to Android (to be fair, replacing a physical button is hard). Apple actually did this progressively. First, iPhone 7 (no longer physical) and even Touchbar (which most Macbook Pro users are UNHAPPY about - honestly, if they kept the Esc and function keys as physical and add the bar, it would have been welcomed).
Still, how about touch ID? An alternative is required. Here, another problem comes in. Using just 1 lens (front camera), you cannot tell the depth, which would result in phone being unlockable by photo. Thus, more lenses, plus the infra red to deal with low light. Nothing is free, so less space at the top - hence the ears —> hence no more battery percentage display. To divert attention, animoji is introduced.
The fact remains that Apple made several compromises. While most are somewhat understandable, two buttons to turn off the phone just is way too much cost cutting. When the technology is ready, let's hope under the screen fingerprint reader will be supported by Apple.
USB-C - that's actually another big can of worms. It's not as simple as you think. Some examples: 1. Apple's own USB-C digital AV adaptor's HDMI is only 4K@30Hz/fps. That's a problem for me as my display is 4K@60fps. Technically, that means the USB-C adaptor is probably just USB 3.1 gen1. So, I had to buy third party cables (not only it shows USB-C/USB 3.1 gen 2 is bandwidth limited, the alternative mode cables are generally iffy esp if you add HDR into the mix). 2. Apple's own USB-C to USB-C 2m cable is USB 2.0. You can buy from third party BUT a lot of USB 3.1 gen1/2 cables failed Benson/NathanK's tests. Deep down, Apple want you to go Thunderbolt. 3. The USB-C to lightning cable 1m WAS USB 3.0, now it is USB 2.0. 4. Design changes to 61W and 87W chargers (and the 29W USB-C charger is not following proper USB-IF standards - hence the 30W being introduced). The truth is Apple know USB-C so well that they also know how to exploit it.
In short, the whole thing is complicated but Apple really made too many cost cutting. For #1 company in the world, this is not good. These happened after S. Jobs. I wondered whether Steve would allow this much corner cutting and half baked solutions.
@ihavecentsnotsense: Just a bit more on USB-C. Purely on technical side. Basically, given the current state. Even if iPad Pro support USB 3.1 gen 2, single port does not have enough bandwidth to drive 4K 60Hz HDR while having other accessories in use through the same port. Once a multi port dongle is put in, the bandwidth it allocates to HDMI port would reduce. USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 can provide more bandwidth, but the cost for accessories becomes way too high. 2 ports or 1 USB-C + 1 lightning would have been great (but that's wishful thinking).
That's why, for Macbook Pros, you want at least 4 ports if you are serious about doing 4K work. The gripe is, before the USB-C change, technically, you have 6 equivalent USB 3.1 bandwidth level ports (I am counting HDMI as one). So, this less ports on Macbook Pros isn't a good thing (even 4 - if you want mouse + keyboard + card reader + 4K/5K screen + thunderbolt or USB 3.1 gen2 HDD - dongle is required).
It's one thing to move to new technologies, but if the bottom line is cutting ports without a proper way to obtain the same / equivalent bandwidth, it is simply cost cutting, rather than doing it right.
@netsurfer: How about pressing volume up then press volume down and then hold power button
That would negate pressing 2 buttons at once
when she is in the car, sometimes it is just annoying to need to grab the phone and look at it
Maybe she should concentrate on driving instead…
@ihavecentsnotsense: Before you reply again, since you wrote:
Some of the things you say, especially about turning off and on the device and swiping, are wrong
Please let us know how to turn off iPhone XS Max by pressing just 1 button. If not, please reply by confirming you do need to press two buttons to turn off iPhone XS/Max.
If the new changes are slower or less user friendly, just because they are newer, doesn't make them better. A phone that big, Apple cannot put in a dedicated power button? What's so good about pressing two buttons to turn off an iPhone?
@Fancydancer: It's not a good solution.
My love ones like iPhones so they get iPhone XS Max (not last year's model or the year before). I anticipated the swipe up gesture means I need to coach them initially, but the swipe up and hold (or slightly towards the right) gesture caused more issue - and that happened when an app had to be killed and I was not next to the person. Couldn't have her bring up the active apps screen with just voice phone call so I had to use video call. My other relative next to her had an Android phone, I asked him to point his Android phone at the iPhone XS Max (so I can see) to figure out what went wrong.
Given that most people use these devices for 2-3 years, they will bear with those things for a few years. Just hoping Apple don't sacrifice UX any further. Also, Apple don't give users an option (as letting you see battery percentage instead would mean they admit the ears design is not good; likewise for not allowing you to force the power button to be just power button - must be Siri + Power).
As an Apple user / customer, it is good that this issue is being highlighted. Don't just get fixated on the bending bit. The fact the reviewer mentioned any hole or cutout in the frame introduces a weak spot is something Apple should take into consideration in future revisions of iPad Pros.
Obviously, customers want that magnet to hold the Apple pencil. However, a possible design change is to use two smaller magnets (not placing them in the middle of course). Also, avoid having weak spots on two sides of the frame directly opposite each other. Cost will likely increase, but this is the most expensive tablet anyway. This is the first iteration of the new design, it is not a surprise some issue is identified.
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/9/11/17842556/i…
Logitech crayon linked is not compatible with ipad pro.
Why don’t u go try bend your led tv?
My LED TV is not a portable device I carry around with me
i think its $65 if you already have a optus contract
Do you know how to activate this extra discount? Call?
Call or chat, I did it over chat
They removed the $10 bundle discount. Tried to get them to do it on chat but no dice.
Optus removed the bundle discount when they launched the 2018 iPad Pro plans. They did make the plans better value by increasing quota but I rather the $10 discount.
if you signed on or before 18th Nov then you still entitled with $10 discount
@webtherapist: While they removed the $10 bundle discount, the new price actually reflects the bundled price, if you signed up on the 18th or before, it would have been $10 more.
@imolared: Thats not correct, the regular ipad cheapest plan was always $25, tempted to get it for $15 a month last week but I hesitate
@djprima: Check out the Optus iPad thread on Whirlpool, prices were listed/confirmed since last week before the website was updated, people have ordered and some have received their iPad Pro since last week via online chat/phone and local Optus shop.
@imolared: Ah I see, I stand corrected thanks. Was thinking they would be in sync but apparently not
@djprima: https://web.archive.org/web/20180512000019/https://www.optus…
Believe these were the plans before and then they had the bundled discount.
@jlogic: That price was from back in May. Just last week I saw it priced at $25/month for the 3GB plan when the $10 discount bundle is still being offered, still regret I didn't take the offer :(
Is the SIM allowed to be shoved into USB modem and into my router?
Yes. I use my SIM in a tablet, phone, WiFi modem.
If I put it in a modem and pay for unmetered streaming will it still work?
Should still work just remember it’s not high definition. Capped at 1.5mbps.
No, its free streaming is tied to the mobile servers of the streaming sites, which you can't access from other devices.
This is what I'm currently doing on my 100GB 2017 iPad Pro 10.5" plan with unmetered streaming. The sim is taken out of iPad and into a 4G dongle plugged into a 4g router, all our home devices (phones, tablets, android TV) can get unmetered streaming via the Netflix, Spotify abc apps. I don't think it is unmetered if browsed via browser tho (Netflix)
@clem0ximus: How's the speed? Thought unmetered was supposed to be capped to 1.5mb, which would only get you SD
@Birdseye: The speed is normal, no buffering unless the connection is getting hammered by other devices. The quality is still HD.
This. I want to do this as well. What kind of modem do you use? I pay 90 a month with vivid. The 24m contract is now over.
What kind of modem do you use? How many connections does it support? And what kind of speeds do you get on a wifi connected device?
Speed will be dependent on your location as with any 4G service. As you already have a Vivid modem, the Optus sim will work on it without any issue. When I tried it a few months ago, I got 70 mbps down / 25 Mbps upload.
End of the day, after selling the phone that came with the plan, the inclusions on the Telstra Ultimate plan was way better for me.
FYI its $85/m for the 12.9" iPad if you are after that.
I think ill keep my older iPad pro as a small one and buy the 12.9. Mainly i dont want to go down ANOTHER apple screen ratio design change and wait for all the apps for the updated for the new 11" screen, the 12.9 doesnt have this issue. Ive been through this with iOS devices too many times.
$95 actually for the 200GB total data plan EDIT: sorry that's for the 256GB, 64GB would be $85
Follow me. I don't need it, I don't need it, I don't need it……
Darn, I dont need this, but still, time to upgrade from my air2 :(
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Brain: Tell me more.
While the price is not bad. 24 months is too long with the rate tech gets better and 4G data getting cheaper.
64GB 11 inch LTE Pro retails for $1449 and there’s no early termination fees, so if you actually want an iPad Pro and are comfortable with Apples pricing, this deal is pretty good value.
iOS devices have relatively predictable refresh cycles so as long as you are happy to skip the 2019 model you're fine in that regard. Most people aren't upgrading their iPad annually and this is a new model to boot. Next year's model will likely be minor spec bumps if it gets a new model at all given Apple doesn't do back to back major refreshes.
As for data. 200GB is still high and data allowances haven't been growing THAT rapidly. I'm sure Optus will have no issue with you paying for more down the line if you need to move the plan up. As it stands, the iPad is a large component of the cost and iPads aren't getting any cheaper any time soon unless the AUD has a very dramatic turn around.
You can change the plan at any time and also either payout the remaining device amount or hand back your ipad and pay $99 to upgrade to a new one after 12 months.
Wow, this is a seriously tempting deal…would mean that, combined with my legacy data share sims, I would have 220gb shared across 5 sim cards plus a new ipad pro…
Just got one from David Jones, consumed all the gift cards I have. Nice device but still an ipad.
At least there is more differentiation now. The 10.5 and 9.7 were too similar to warrant the enormous difference in price. While I’m still unlikely to slurge on the Pro I will at least consider it. What are your thoughts versus the cheapy?
It does give a premium feel with the new look. And it is a beast, extremely fast and smooth.
Get the bigger one, I'm using mine as a mouse pad. Its a hidden function.
webtherapist on 21/11/2018 - 08:37 Comment score below threshold.
