Tricky Situation with Friends - Portable Bluetooth Speaker Stolen While Camping

Hey guys,

I went camping with some friends. They forgot to bring their portable bluetooth speaker and asked me to bring mine. I don't usually bring it with me, as it's a liability more than anything, but they're good friends so I brought mine for them.

On Friday night they asked me to get it out so we all could listen together to it in their tent. I did / we did. Then I was tired, and wanted to go to bed early, so said goodnight. Rather than being a party pooper, turn off the music and take my speaker back, I left it with them to continue staying up and listen to music.

The following night I wanted to use it so I asked if I could have my speaker back. They said they don't know where it is, I said it must be in their tent. They said they couldn't find it.

I don't for a second believe they stole it, but I at a guess what happened is they 'left' it out for me in our camping groups setup's little 'communal' area under the gazebo, and another some other camping group stole it.

On one hand I didn't specifically 'lend' it to them or tell them they must look after it, but on the other, I left it with them in their tent (a safe place) for them to use (at their request) and brought the thing caming at their request. A friend at work says it's my fault because I should have taken it back, two other friends say it should be implied they should look after it.

For the record, I was in the reverse situation once and took my friends speaker into my tent for the night and gave it back to them the next day.

The question is - should I ask them to buy me a new one?

UPDATE:
Last night my friend messaged me, she said she left it outside the next day when they left the camp and thinks it has been stolen (which is what I thought happened). She's said 'if you want we could give your ours as a replacement'.

From memory they have the same UE Boom 2 just in a different colour.

I'm thinking about accepting the offer, and also offering to go halves in a new one as an alternative (~$85 - bricks and mortor store price).

Poll Options

  • 469
    They should replace it
  • 55
    We should go halves in a replacement
  • 81
    I shouldn't ask them to replace it, it's my fault

Comments

  • +21

    go halves.. BUT depending on how "good friends" they actually are, they should be suggesting it!

    • +7

      exactly! if they are really "good friends" you wouldn't need to ask them to replace… this is very black and white to me.

      • +5

        But now there is an internet poll showing they are 100% to blame. Shove that in their faces and wait for the cash to roll in.

      • Yes "offering" is one thing , Doing the right thing is another .

  • +59

    Not really - you brought a speaker, someone else (not your friends), stole it.

    It'd be different if you'd lent it to them for their camping trip that you weren't going on yourself, but considering you were there too, I don't see why you're not responsible for your own belongings.

    IMO:

    1. It would be classless for you to ask them to pay you for it, but

    2. It would also be classless for them not to offer to pay you for it.

    If I was in your position, I wouldn't be expecting them to pay for it. If I was in their position, I'd offer to pay for it. So the ball's in their court.

    • +40

      The difference is that the OP left it for them to use - with the implied duty to look after it (IMO). If they had secured it in some way (brought it into the tent, put it in a car, etc) and it had still been stolen then I would think it was no-one's fault. However, if the friends neglected it and left it out for anyone to steal, then I think it's mostly their fault.

      Good friends should have offered to replace it, or at least given you some money for it.

      • +4

        However, if the friends neglected it and left it out for anyone to steal, then I think it's mostly their fault.

        Except no one seems to know what happened. Plus, friendships aren't supposed to need to rely on these kinds of technical details - OP brought something for everyone to use as a group, it got lost, everyone should pitch in to replace it. At the same time, if OP is friends with them, it'd be declasse of OP to ask for payment.

    • +2

      I like your response, thank you. It's a tricky one.

      I was thinking of asking them 'what shall we do about it?', rather than 'you need to replace it!'.

      • +2

        I would be suspicious, especially if your friend has not offered to contribute towards a replacement. How secure was the communal area? I have been camping hundreds of times and not once has anyone ever ventured into our camping area. Unless perhaps no-one turned the music off at night and another camper switched it off?? But since you are saying it was physically connected to another persons phone makes it seem a little sus.

        I would send another group message out to your friends stressing that its super important that you get it back and then directly to your friend who you left it with asking what they remember doing with it last whilst making a point of saying that you cant afford to buy a new one hence why you are trying so hard to recover it. This might prompt your friends to offer to chip in for a replacement.

        I think saying something along those lines would prompt a reasonable person to offer to replace it or at least contribute without you having to spell it out to them. Although If they offered to buy a new one I would thank them and offer to go halves unless they insisted.

    • Mr Highanddry, it is apparent op's friends should be responsible because the speaker was left with them after op's absence. It is just common sense that friends should look after friend's stuff ESPECIALLY when they're using it as well.

      Its easy for you to make heartless comments because they didn't lose your property

    • +6

      Terrible logic. If I was at ur house and borrowed ur iPad and went outside and you went to bed as you were tired, and I left it in the rain. You are cool that it is not my fault as you were there?

    • +4

      I'd agreed with you on every point, until I re-read the situation.
      OP left the speaker with them in their tent, and the friends then left it in an unsecured area without telling the OP. They were trusted with it, and they clearly showed both a lack of responsibility and respect to the OP.

      The item could have been slid under the OP's flysheet, they could have taken it with them if they were uncomfortable in disturbing the OP, could have left it with the camp manager and then texted the OP. There were numerous options, but instead, they just plonked it down in a unsecured area, and left, essentially hoping for the best.

      The friends are simply careless, and we all know people like that, but it should not mean the OP has to suffer for their stupidity sloppiness.

      If the friends and the OP had been listening in the open area with the speaker, and the OP went to bed without asking them to take the speaker when they went to bed, then I'd fully agree with your points, because responsibility would be assumed but not confirmed.

      If you still disagree, and by means you are certainly entitled to your opinion, change the item from speaker to a large pile of diamonds (I was originally going to say small child, but that's kinda weird).
      The situation and responsibility has not changed, but it becomes much clearer on who is at fault.

      Note: I haven't read through all the comments, but two possibilities come to mind
      - Someone simply thought it had been left behind, and as such did not feel it was stealing, but instead claiming abandoned property. Morally ambiguous, but it happens.
      - The camp manager picked up during their rounds, and is awaiting someone to claim it

      • -2

        OP left the speaker with them in their tent, and the friends then left it in an unsecured area without telling the OP.

        Actually, only the first part is known. The second part is speculation on part of OP. Not saying OP is definitely wrong, but at this point no-one seems to know.

        The friends are simply careless, and we all know people like that, but it should not mean the OP has to suffer for their stupidity sloppiness.

        This I completely agree with. They should repay OP - proactively. The part where I think OP shouldn't ask isn't because they shouldn't be compensated, but because of friendship dynamics which should mean not every cent or dollar or item is always accounted for. Different friends groups will be different though.

    • HighAndDry hit the nail on the head

      OP probably should not be asked for them to pay for it technically speaking he has no right too… they can simply say no and it will come at a huge social cost buttttt if they are real friends they should be shouting him a new speaker.

      The issue is the ones responsible probably wont owen up to losing it and the other who had nothing to do with losing it shouldn't have to pay for you not being careful with your stuff and them being careless.

  • +88

    you already let them know it's missing and they didn't offer to look for it or even slightest intention to reimburse you for your loss.

    move on.
    they're not your good friends.

    • +2

      ^This

    • +3

      Not Good: Not good friends, not good to lose it. It's one of those horrible lose-lose situations.

    • +6

      So this must have been the thought process for the person turning off the speaker.

      Option A: "OK, music off - let's go to bed. I know electronics aren't great when left outside - but hey, it's not mine so who cares!"

      Option B: "OK, I'll turn it off. Jonno isn't watching… into my pocket you go little one."

      The other possibility being that they were too drunk to bring it in. However if you're sober enough to turn it off - you're sober enough to bring it in under cover. Also, if the friends opted not to search for it, that's pretty telling as well.

      I'd be pissed. But my friends would never do that.

    • +2

      @domcc1: You might not like it, but this really is the correct answer here. But you'll probably learn this properly later in life.

    • +4

      OP you must learn to read people. In this circumstance if you raised the question 'hey can I have my speakers back' and the response was ‘DUNNO WHERE IT IS….’ And didn’t try their hardest or panic to even look for it would immediately tell me they have stolen it [therefore no reason to look because they know where it is and trying to stop any convo about it so it goes hush-hush].

      No way some ‘random campers’ came across your camp setup at night and decided to steal it.

      How much was the speaker? $80-$120? Consider that a $120 investment that these people are not your real friends, move on, and wash hands of this social group.

  • +11

    depends on what type of friends you have…

    if that happened to me, my friends would have already bought me a new one as a replacement

    • +2

      Really? Without a time machine, how could you know that? OP also assumed his friends were good too

  • How much is said Bluetooth speaker worth?

    • $199 when bought, is now $149 or so. UE Boom 2.

      • Ouch. I would have asked them to make sure they put it somewhere safe or not brought it at that price.
        Do they know what it is worth?

      • +2

        No wonder they "forgot" their own ones.

      • Boom 3 is $199 fyi at JB

    • +21

      No, I didn't, but isn't it implied?

      I look after anything anybody lends me without them specifically spelling it out for me.

      • implied yes-ish.

        If you'd given them the speaker and walked away, i'd argue harder it was their responsibility. But it sounds like you were there, listening too, then eventually walked away, leaving it behind (not reminding them it was yours)

        • +4

          not reminding them it was yours

          Except they knew it was OP's as they specifically asked him to bring it.

          • @smartazz104: They were in a mutual place though.

            Ignoring the value, if we were going out and you asked me to bring a rug. We all sat down at the park, then i walked off without the rug. I think it's my fault that the rug got left behind.

            If I had said "hey its my rug, can you take it with you when you leave" - then yeah.

            tbh i think OPs friends are pretty shitty. Who leaves stuff behind.

            • -8

              @Davo1111: I know what you mean. You shouldn't have to implicitly tell people who are using your stuff to look after it but a lot of people today are inconsiderate, selfish a-holes. I would ditch this bunch of losers if they do not offer to replace it without being asked.

              I don't want to go on a rant about gen-yers/millennials because a lot of them are brought up right and are awesome kids, but it seems a large majority are not. The ones that still live at home beyond the age of 20, don't work and sponge off their parents thinking that the world owes them something are usually the ones who do not value other's possessions and take things for granted.

              • +4

                @dogboy: I don't think it's generational specific.

              • +9

                @dogboy: your first paragraph was going great, you didn't have to make it about millenials, but i guess the downvotes speak volumes more than i could. I'm a millenial and I was living in my own flat at 17 because of a combination of poverty and an unhealthy domestic situation. i don't take anything for granted and i certainly take better care of something a friend has lent to me than i ever will of my own bought possessions. i'm sure you not a bad person but i think you need to reconsider your generalizations and realise that entitlement comes from upgringing and classism, not from being a part of a particular generation.
                keep the bargains flowing and be kind to one another :)

            • @Davo1111: They were in the "friend's" tent.
              Not really a mutual place.

              • +1

                @Tiggrrrrr: It sounds like the issue has been resolved.

                I interpreted the friends "tent" as a gazebo, like a common area

                • @Davo1111: Lol. Check out the gazebo in my pants just doesn't have the same ring to it.

      • +1

        Yes, it is implied.
        Accidents happen, what matters is their attitude towards it. If they're just shrugging it off as "meh, I don't know where it is shrugs " then they are superficial friends at best.*

        *That is assuming you're not often providing them with expensive toys and other things like this.

    • +2

      To answer your question, at the end of the night we (4 people total) were all inside the couples tent, sitting around and chatting. They have a huge tent. The female of the couple (the one who asked me to bring the speaker in the first place) asked me if I could get it out so we could all listen to music. I got it from my car and handed it to her. She connected her phone to it, and sat it in the middle of us 4 playing music.

      • +19

        She had custody of it. She's responsible.

        I bet her phone didn't go missing too.

        • +11

          Good point on the phone. In fact, it was connected via a 3.5m headphone jack cable, not via bluetooth. Her phone was physically connected to the speaker.

          • +9

            @MementoMori: If her phone was connected that way, she should know where it is before she went to bed on that night

          • +4

            @MementoMori: This seems to me to be a really key point. I could see how someone could forget about it if it was bluetooth, but actually connected to the phone, no.

          • @MementoMori: She prob stole it!

            This is now a whole new thing.
            When she went to bed did she actually get up, put it in the middle/communal area and then go to bed or just unplug it, push it to the side and then crash out straight away….?
            I bet she just crashed out and then the next morning hid it in her bag or something.

            Ok I may be just pulling at strings here but this sounds totally sus now.

        • +17

          yep. She asked you to bring it. She asked you for it in her tent. She connected her phone to it. She is responsible and owes you a replacement. Case closed your Honour.

        • Yep, totally agree.

    • +2

      I have to disagree here, the music is playing, regardless of who owned the speaker the last person to use it should have had enough common sense to turn it off and put it away.

      Similar to your rug analogy, if a group of people are having a picnic and one person was tasked with brining a rug for everyone to use then each person is equally responsible for the rug. If my friend who owned the rug went to their car and meanwhile we all decided to get up and go for a walk it would be irresponsible for me to just leave the rug there. However If I was stupid enough to leave the rug there and it was to then get stolen or go missing, I think a defence like "you never said to look after the rug" would be ridiculous.

      So is it implied, 100%. I agree I don't think its generational but I feel it is typical of something a younger person would experience. One of those life lessons, i've certainly experienced situations similar to this, lending things to people who return them broken or significantly damaged, you learn quickly.

      • It was left inside someone's tent, not a communal area.

        What is it with you and rugs anyway? Childhood trauma? lol.

        Or not lol if it was an actual childhood trauma…

  • +4

    Ireally feel sorry for you. But my opinion is: i wouldn t call them "friends" if you can't trust them…a good lesson for you and a free speaker for them… I know it s not easy to say no when someone "ask you" and know you have "it". But older you get and easier it will be for you to say no and do what feel right for you. Count it as a loss and just make sure you remember what they did this time and don t fall for their trick again next time ( or just avoid going camping or anywhere with them).

    • +4

      You should have "forgotten" the speaker at home, like they did. Yes, afterwards everyone is smarter.

      • I like your thinking

    • +4

      Hey man can I borrow your car, I forgot mine.

      • -8

        On the condition that you look after it.

        See, I have now placed the responsibility on to you. Something the OP didn't do.

        • +6

          Ah S%#T i'm glad you told me to look after it because I was going to use it to drive to the train station and then leave it there with the keys in the ignition once I was done and not return it.

          See, now I know how stupid that sounds.

          • +1

            @[Deactivated]: Er, I just have to go to the train station and move my friends car…

        • Responsibility is implied, they're the ones that asked OP to bring it in the first place. If you have to tell your friends to look after your property, they are shitty friends.

    • +1

      His friends are the problem, how careless can they be. Not a care in the world.

  • +3

    Find better friends

    • +1

      They're really great friends, they were just a little careless (they were tired, maybe had a few drinks, etc). Also, you don't expect other campers to steal stuff like this from a someones camp site - people are really scummy these days.

      Like I said in another post they are very generous, it was their gazebo they brought which I also enjoyed and other little camping bits and bobs like bananas, wet wipes, drinks and such.

      • +9

        They're really great friends, they were just a little careles

        We're not discussing the quality of their friendship because they lost the speakers; we're discussing it because they haven't offered to pay for it.

        Also, you don't expect other campers to steal stuff like this from a someones camp site - people are really scummy these days.

        If that's the case, then you also can't blame them for leaving the speaker out for you, if even you agree it wasn't reasonable to think anyone would take it.

        But my opinion stays the same, they should offer to pay for it, you shouldn't ask for payment. If you're all friends.

        • they haven't offered to pay for it

          From the sound of it, they're just shrugging it off, not even offering to help look for it, helping to report it missing, etc.

      • +5

        What if… "the Dingo stole my Bluetooth" ??

      • people are really scummy these days.

        How loud and late was the music? Your group might think your music is great, chances are your neighbours don't. If it was a bit on the loud side and a bit late (you said you had gone to bed), it might have been taken just to make sure there wasn't a repeat the next night.

  • +10

    One of them has it. You are being used. Cut your losses and move on, life is too short to waste on crap people.

  • at the end of the day as harsh as this sounds sadly, you lost your speaker

  • +1

    What did they say about it?

    If none of them have said anything about it, I'd bet that one of them has it. I'd be really surprised if someone else at the campground took it. I really would.

    • +1

      So you're trusting random people, but don't trust the OP's friends (which I admit we know nothing about). I think either scenario is likely, although I'd like to think it was a random.

      • I'm not trusting random people. I'm saying that random campers have far less information about the speaker than OP's friends. A random camper would need to know that no one was watching it, that they could take it without being detected, that they wouldn't be followed, and that no one would question it when they returned to their own campsite. OP's friends would have much better insight about all of these questions.

        Seriously, what kind of idiot just leaves a Bluetooth speaker outside their tent at night? Why make a special trip to the 'communal area' just to leave it there?

      • OP's "friends" had the speaker plugged into their phone IN THEIR TENT.

        You think a random snuck into their tent, and stole only OP's speaker? No.

        Maybe OP's friend got out of their tent late at night and put the speaker in the open. That's a stupid thing to do and makes the friend liable for its predictable loss. But note that OP is only speculating that's what happened. The friend never said "oh I left it at place X", OP is inventing that story because OP is too trusting of their friends.

      • So you're trusting random people, but don't trust the OP's friends (which I admit we know nothing about). I think either scenario is likely, although I'd like to think it was a random.

        Ockham's razor says his friends stole it.

    • They just said they 'don't know where it is sorry'

      • +22

        That's it??????????

        You need new friends. Look, a Bluetooth speaker costs about $100. While mildly heartbreaking for you, this is a very inexpensive way to have discovered that your friends do not care for you. As someone said above, if it had been my friends who had done this, they would have bought me a new one and a silly hat or something to make up for it (and I wouldn't have had to ask).

        These people don't care about you, OP, they are using you. Find new friends, there are plenty out there who would actually give a damn about how you feel.

        • Agree with this. That kind of short I don't care don't ask me response from your friends makes me think they have it. The girl who specifically asked you to bring it is probably enjoying it right now. Sometimes you don't know people as well as you think you do.

      • bro, if this happens again, you gotta stand up for yourself a bit more.

        "You don't know? Well I left it with you last night. It was plugged in to your phone when I went to bed. What did you do with it when you went to bed?"

        It's completely reasonable to ask follow up questions when somebody's 'lost' something of yours. If they react badly, that suggests they've stolen it, or at the very least have no respect for your belongings and therefore can't be trusted with them in the future.

        In other news, can I borrow $5k?

      • They should have returned it the following morning.

        BTW, Why did you wait a day to ask about it?

  • +4

    Wait a few weeks or until you meet up again, try to indirectly mention how you feel crap about the missing speaker due to emotional attachment. If no one bats an eyelid or offers compensation, then it's lost and you should find new friends.

  • +4

    Get a new speaker and new friends. Consider it as a cheap life lesson.

  • +4

    Go to each of their houses and see if your phone connects to it.

    • +1

      I only thought about this once it was too late - but I should have walked around the campsite with my phone on Bluetooth mode trying to connnect to it.

      I'll re-iterate, I don't for a second believe they stole it. They are good friends, very generous with their food and drinks and so on while camping (they made an esspresso martini for me for example).

      • +8

        very generous with their food and drinks and so on while camping (they made an esspresso martini for me for example).

        I hope that's not the biggest example you have, because if so you have really low standards for what qualifies as "good friendship". As elaboration - I've made drinks for basic strangers if it's at a party/event/etc.

        Edit: Didn't intend for this to come across rough or mean if that's how it reads. Just saying, making you one cocktail does not a good friend make haha.

        • +1

          Yes of course, no offence taken. They've done much more than that, D&M chats/support after a recent breakup etc, these were just some simple examples.

          • -1

            @MementoMori: Fair enough. Yeah - despite what others (and myself) have said, some people are just a little clueless about these things or it just won't occur to them. I like your idea of just bringing it up in passing some time, like "Ah damn I kinda miss having the speakers at home, you reckon we can buy a communal one and just keep it at my place for future events?" -kind of thing. Use your judgement, you know your friends better than we possibly could.

      • +1

        Yea my "classmate" who stole my mobile phone back in highschool was super generous also, he offered to call it for me, help me find it, asked where I left it last, let me use his phone to call my work to let them know I would be late.

        • +1

          Wow, I've seen this happen before!

        • +1

          Were you suspicious when he was calling your phone on his phone that looked like your phone? ;)

          • +1

            @Tiggrrrrr: haha it was quite the coincidence, the line was busy too!

  • What speaker was it?

  • It was a UE Boom 2 - I paid $199, but have seem then go for around $149 these days (a bit less on special here).

    I use it every day to mediate with (Headspace app), and it was in perfect/new condition, never took it out of the house.

  • +2

    Unfortunately, these things happen. Hopefully one of your friends finds it, as it may have fallen in a bag under some clothes or something similar.

    I understand you're frustrated at the situation, however it isn't a major purchase and is relatively easy to replace. Think of the camping trip costing +$150 more.

    As you said, you didn't lend it to them, you left it with them. Learn to say no when you're asked to do or take something that you're not comfortable with. Your friends would have understood if you didn't take it with you.

    • "friends"

  • It is with mother nature now.

    Maybe check the campsite or let your friends know you lost your speaker maybe one of them took it for you and is just waiting for you to call them or somebody to speak up like a forgotten jacket supposed.

    Just ask next meet up or message each member of the group who was there.

    Not unusual to forget something or somebody to accidentally pick something up.

    In today's age everybody just picks up stuff for one another sometimes especially if the group is moving or the owner is not there.

    Don't always think that your peers are bad guys sometimes they are just tired or careless too.

  • +3

    They should replace it but….. it’s sounds like they are careless arseholes who would be offended by the thought.
    Ask them to let you know if it turns up.
    Remind them it’s Xmas soon .. hint hint
    And most importantly move on and find real friends who would not hesitate to replace it for you without being asked.
    Good luck

  • +1

    That sucks. Both losing the speaker, and that your friends haven't recognised their responsibility or offered any signs that they care. It's an awkward situation, but I don't think its worth asking them to pay or contribute. I'd perhaps mention once how bummed I was about my speaker going missing, and that I bought a good one thinking that I would have it for a longer time… but really after that you just gotta let it go.

    Take me next time you go camping and I'll bring my bluetooth speaker :)

  • +7

    UPDATE:

    I sent a message to our Facebook group chat:

    "Hey guys! Was fun hanging with you all!!! During packup please keep an eye out for my green UE Boom speaker, haven't seen it since the tent on Friday night. My guess is it's in the bell tent although if you see <other friend> around could you ask if they accidentially took it?"

    • <other friend> around could you ask if they accidentially took it?"

      This makes me think that they weren't all good friends. I have direct and regular contact with all my good friends.

      • Who knows.
        What if one of the scums took it. But another one of your friend felt sorry and went and bought you a new one all by themselves.

        They might give it to you within 1-2 weeks, and it might be an alternative colour.

        That would be a good friend in my book.

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