Hi.
I am resigning from my current job where I work 4 months so far (38hours per week). I have few hours in Annual leave. I would like to ask if I am eligible to cash those hours after resigning?
Resigning during Probation. Do I Get My Annual Leave Cashed out?
noHup on 18/10/2018 - 07:31
Last edited 18/10/2018 - 09:14 by 1 other user
Last edited 18/10/2018 - 09:14 by 1 other user
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or contract?
Or HR department?
I am a full-time, not a contract. I checked on fairwork website and I hve over 40hours in Annual leave.
Someone at work told me you have to have at least 4weeks annual leave to cash out. But I couldn’t find such a rule on fairworkwebsite.
Thank you.
You would still have an employment contract? Tell us you didn't take the job without having a contract in place?
Your employer probably has a system where you can exchange your leave for extra payment instead of taking time off if you have a lot of it (ie over 4 weeks). That's probably what your colleague was referring to.
This is different to them having paying out your leave entitlements when you terminate your employment with them
Someone at work told me you have to have at least 4weeks annual leave to cash out.
Lol. Stop listening to random people (really including online).
Usually you have 4 weeks per year. It's pro-rated, so…. you probably have around/just over 1 week if you've worked close to 4 months.
Yes, this is correct for "cash out". I can only cash out max 2 weeks in a 12 month period. I only found out about it and did it myself for the first time last month.
So instead of getting paid for a month, I got paid for 6 weeks.
http://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/annual-leave/cashing-out-an…
Certain rules apply when cashing out annual leave:
an employee needs to have at least 4 weeks annual leave leftover
a written agreement needs to be made each time annual leave is cashed out
an employer can't force or pressure an employee to cash out annual leave
the payment for cashed out annual leave has to be the same as what the employee would have been paid if they took the leave.But if you are quitting you aren't "cashing out". You are getting your annual leave "paid out". So I think you are confusing two different things.
no requirement like 4 weeks annual leave to cash out..you will get it…simple email to HR or chat shud be able to confirm.
If you continue to work for an employer you can’t cash out leave below 4 weeks. Eg. If you have 14 weeks leave because you’ve worked there forever and not taken your leave, you can, provided both the employer and the employee voluntarily agree, cash out up to a max of 10 weeks.
When you resign you should be paid for every hour of accrued annual leave in your termination payment. Note only some states pay out accrued long service leave when you have less than 10 years service. Sick leave is never paid out when you quit.
Don't know why you're being negged. OP's employer hasn't said no because OP hasn't asked yet. This should be the very first step.
I negged because the first sentence is incorrect.
Was it edited? Because all I read was: "What did your employer say?"
@HighAndDry: Oh sorry, thought you meant https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/6481269/redir
I didn't neg Godric. Although if you're thinking of resigning, but don't want to let your employer know, probably hard to ask them a question like this.
when u leave - u get the accrued leave. Doesnt has to be 4weeks minimum…What do u c incorrect in that?
@CheapSticks: Yes, accrued leave is paid out when you stop working somewhere, not cashed out. Pay out and cash out are two separate things; Cash out has some requirements.
I believe you can, it is your entilement.
So what; no more than $200?
unless working at Westpac
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You are still under probation 4 months into your employment? How long is this probation? That concerns me more than the annual leave question. Check your states labour laws on that. That seems excessive.
Its 6month. And I am in Victoria. Was it supposed to be lower?
According to the Fair Work Australia, no. But to me, if a company wanted to put me on a 6 month probation, I would tell them to stick their job up their backside…
But, in the search for more information on probation, I did find this interesting piece of information…
If an employee doesn’t pass their probation, they are still entitled to receive notice when employment ends and have their unused accumulated annual leave hours paid out.
Edit: I also found this after clicking around a few links on “Notice and Final Pay”
Notice during probation periods
If an employee’s employment is ended while they’re on probation, they still have to get or be paid out notice based on their length of service.OP is resigning. What notice period?
@HighAndDry: This notice period (Source: Fair Work Omb.)
Typically, most industries have a 1 week notice for every year (or part there of) of service up to a max of 4 weeks (4 or more years service.)
Since OP has worked there less than a year, it would be 1 weeks notice for resignation.
It is then up to the employer as to which way they handle it. Make them stay the week or let them go on the spot. Either way, the employer still has to pay out that notice period.
Side note: If OP has a contract that stipulates something other than what I have outlined above, then it's whatever is in their contract. If their contract says two weeks, it's two weeks. If it's one day, then it's one day.
Side side note: Probation can be ended by either party. If the employee decides that the job does not suit them (ie: OP), they have just as much right to end the probation period as an employer does.
6 months in all my previous roles
finance industry is standard 6 months, banks and big 4 usually this
Oh ok, well, that kind of makes sense if you are in a performance based industry where performance is tested over a year, ie; investing/accounting… but for non performance related rolls, 6 months just sounds excessive.
6 months is standard, and unless you plan to do your job badly and can't keep the pretence of doing well for that long why does it matter?
@Quantumcat: Why does it matter? Because it's not up to you to decide what is considered "doing well" or what isn't. That is up to your employer.
Quite often I encounter people who are disadvantaged by this law and it is used as a lever to employ people short term with never the intention of offering them a permanent position. They get to the end of the probation and suddenly it's "sorry, you are not what we are looking for."
While I understand its legitimate use, I have more often than not found that excessively long probation periods are an anvil that employers use to hang over the employees.
So, no, I don't think that 6 months of probation is fair for a majority of jobs. As I said above, with industries that have yearly targets to hit, such as financial sectors or R&D, have at it, but putting a hair dresser on a 6 month probation is just manipulation of that workers rights.
For the record, the longest probation period I have served is 6 weeks. This is more than enough time for the average employer to know if they want to keep you or not. 6 months is just taking the piss.
Quite often I encounter people who are disadvantaged by this law and it is used as a lever to employ people short term with never the intention of offering them a permanent position. They get to the end of the probation and suddenly it's "sorry, you are not what we are looking for."
I don't see why this is an issue. Obviously this is bad for the employee, but just as we don't have slavery anymore, the reverse (forcing employers to keep anyone employed) should also not be a thing.
A permanent position just means you get certain benefits that accrue during your period of employment - and they still apply to the probation period. There's never a "minimum employment period", whether or not you're a permanent employee.
6 months is pretty standard for many people I know.
check ur contract and employer, they will they ya
Use you sickies up then leave
Can't take them with you when you go…
It would be surprising if you weren't paid out the accrued leave.
maybe they would force OP to use the annual leave prior to leaving.
True, and that'd be fair. Just as the employer has to give notice, so does OP (just sometimes different notice periods). They could ask OP to take the notice period as annual leave. It would work out as the same for OP though - instead of OP working for that period and getting paid annual leave on top, OP can effectively leave earlier and get paid for that period. OP gets less money because they're working less too. Proportionately they get the same.
Strictly speaking the only way this works is that once you give notice, your employer can cease your employment immediately. They do however then owe you the notice period in pay IN ADDITION to your accrued annual leave. So it rarely happens because they have to pay you more. If they have nothing for you to do however it’s common, because you immediately stop accruing any leave, thus saving them money.
Yeah - if you've worked about 4 months, you should get about just over 1 week of accrued leave paid out, which is about 40-something hours based on a 38hr week. Sounds about right.
http://www.fairwork.gov.au/employee-entitlements/types-of-em…
Employee entitlements on probation
While on probation, employees continue to receive the same entitlements as someone who isn’t in a probation period.If hired on a full-time or part-time basis, an employee on probation is entitled to accrue and access their paid leave entitlements such as annual leave and sick leave.
If an employee doesn’t pass their probation, they are still entitled to receive notice when employment ends and have their unused accumulated annual leave hours paid out.
I don’t see why not. It should be standard paractise. Only a small operator would have a problem paying out annual leave.
It’s illegal for them not to.
People like you are ruining Australian businesses. They spent money on hiring you, training you and you were not even efficient from day one, so they waited and incurred efficiency loss so you can take your time and prepare for the role. Now instead of thanking them to provide you with an opportunity, all you are worried is about ripping them off further. I suggest you resign with dignity and don't worry about your annual leave cash out, that's not something you have earned yet!
For full time employees, annual leave is not "ripping them off", it's accrued when you work, it's something that HAS been earned.
Please get your facts right.You don't know the circumstances of OP's resignation/training. What if the business never trained the OP? We don't know, and we don't need to know. The question is a about annual leave and what it means when you accrue it as a full time employee.
You have no info on why he resigned. Instead you presumed he has walked out of a perfectly good job. Maybe the manager is a complete idiot and spat the dummy because he took a sick day, maybe the role isn't what they promised, maybe there is no work and the guy got frustrated and decided to leave. A job is a two way relationship. You are ethically and morally fine to leave it is not giving you job satisfaction. We have enough mental health issues in our society without creating stigma around leaving jobs.
He has earned his annual leave, and its his right to claim it. It is part of the minimum requirements set by FairWork in an employment contract. Everyone signed knowing their rights and obligations. For every employee that quits a job for no reason or steals the stationery, there is an employer underpaying minimum wage, not paying overtime or unfairly dismissing staff.
Annual leave should be paid out provide you provide he or she provides the appropriate notice.
One of the times annual leave can be withheld is if the employee has not provided the appropriate notice period and if they have not returned the employer equipment. The amount to be withheld is as per contract, award or FWO.
The notice period applies to both sides.
You should always be paid out your remaining annual leave upon leaving a job. You’re entitled to it just as you are your regular pay.
Tip of the week; if you want a million different wrong answers, ask an employment based question on Ozbargain!
I think you are confusing people by using the word cash… As in cashing out annual leave. This is something employees continuing employment may have the option of doing.
If you are leaving employment and have been engaged full time then you should get your annual leave paid out to you in your final pay, providing you have given them 1 week's notice of your last day. This isn't up for debate, it's the law.
What did your employer say?