Seems there are a lot of vehicles that are modified to increase their loudness A LOT out there.
Does It Seem That There Are Too Many Loud/Modified Vehicles to You?
[Deactivated] on 18/08/2018 - 20:49
Poll Options
- 276Just enthusiasts having fun - enjoy it or ignore it.
- 195Should be more enforcement - after 3 infringements they should have their cars crushed.
- 21Not a problem if they do it 'out of town/suburbs' or at some 'track'.
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I find its alot less than say a decade ago. But maybe Im older and dont pay as much attention as I would have as a 20 something to sports cars. A decade ago, happy laps up and down george street in Sydney was a thing amongst the youth. Now there is a tram line.
There were definitely more "doof doofs" in the past. In the early 2000s you literally had road earthquakes every summer weekend. A lot of people's subwoofers were fully sick (defective?) and made mostly vibrations rather than bass sounds.
Yep, when I hear a "doof doof" now I get all nostalgic for my first car and The Fast and the Furious :)
Not defective, just larger subs. With larger subs, you get lower frequencies - hence the vibrations, but bass is much less "punchy."
Sorry, the "defective?" reference was just a bad joke. As in, I was pretending that I didn't understand that all of those gentlemen commenting on a subwoofer being "sick", or "fully sick, bro", were in fact complimenting the quality of said subwoofer, rather than commenting on potential defective qualities.
Here's some cultural references:
https://blogs.crikey.com.au/fullysic/2010/04/17/how-sick-ful…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRv7IE6T4gQ
I was one of them… :)
The mid-2000s was way worse. Boofheads hooning their fully sick WRX or Evo, thinking he was Vin Diesel or something.
$#!tbox parade, yeah I was there doing that too. good laugh.
I still use 'happy laps' today but it appears there is a very small generation of people that know that phrase. Most people think "WTF is he talking about??"
The only reason for happy laps is it was the only way to get noticed (which is what we thought back then). Also we were way too tight or poor to afford club entry (well, not every weekend). Plus 4 guys don't get into clubs. But there were ways around that too ;-)
Come to think of it, who picks up chicks in an Excel or a SSS. The best we got was an occasional glance or 'shout out' and usually from school friends who just happened to be in town when we were.
OMG, this is soooo sad…Off to therapy!!
Back to the topic, I don't really hear sound systems anymore, seen neon's, 4" or greater tips for a decade. I still see modded cars. I don't think I'm not paying attention I just don't think 16-24 yo kids are really into this kinda thing these days. But I'm no longer living out west so what the f do I know.
I do hear quite frequently the sound of an AMG 6.3, everybody f**ken got one, and I still think it sounds like sh*t. It sounded hot for a few years when it came out, now its just a disturbance of the peace!
There are a lot of bikes around that are incredibly loud. Makes you wonder why they don't get defect noticed off the road.
Loud pipes save lives…. what a load of bullshit.
As a motorcycle rider, this mantra (that usually Harley-Davidson riding douche canoes sprout off any time they are questioned about their loud shitbox) is utter garbage.
The problem with the “loud pipes save lives” is that so many cars are very well insulated, that the noise just doesn’t get through. That insulation is compounded by the in car entertainment systems, kids on iPads, passengers talking and drivers on their phone.
The next big problem is that the “loud pipes” noise is uni-directional. ie: it comes out the back of the motorcycle and is projected backwards. Sure, it’s loud, but it’s loud to the person the the car behind you. Problem is, you’re already it front of them.
The other issue is reflected sound. If a “loud pipes” bike is stuck in traffic, that noise tends to bounce of every car in the traffic. Chances are, you have lane filtered to the front and all you are doing is filling the space behind you with noise. People won’t know what way to look for your “loud pipes”, because all that noise will be echoing around all the other tightly packed cars.
There is no study that can correlate the evidence that “loud pipes save lives”. If this study did exist and was indeed true, then the powers that be would mandate that all motorcycles be fitted with forward facing megaphone exhausts.
While I have bikes that have “louder” pipes, I own up to it. My Ducati sounds better with the Termi exhaust system on it. It’s “louder” but not offensive and it’s like that because I like it like that, not because it saves my life.
As soon as someone justifies their “loud pipes” with a “saves livez” remark, I just automatically think, nope, you sir, are an arsehat riding an obnoxious shitbox.
Excellent analogy. Thanks for your comment!
@wolffram: Did you miss the bit at the end where she writes "My Ducati…"? Nevermind the fear of the HD she opened with. Remember, with the great pricetags comes even greater self righteousness! :D
Shame, because some reasonable points were regurgitated in the middle of that shi7 sandwich.
Lol. Does that come in English?
For the record, my Ducati was the cheapest model (Monster 696) you could buy and I bought it used as a 6 year old bike.
I also own a Harley. An 883 Sportster. Ironically, also the cheapest Harley you could buy. It was a used 4 year old bike when I bought it.
Both of my bikes are hardly the “great price tag”.
I also openly admitted that my Ducati exhaust is not stock and is louder than stock and that I like it that way because I like it sounding like that. I don’t justify it with a bullshit, unfounded made up claim about the exhausts ability to save my life or any one else’s. Anyone who justifies their obnoxious bike with “loud pipez” slogan are ignorant arseholes.
If I am wrong, feel free to point me to a study that backs up the claims that loud pipes do actually in fact save lives. I would be happy to read it.
The next big problem is that the “loud pipes” noise is uni-directional.
Really?
While I have bikes that have “louder” pipes, I own up to it. My Ducati sounds better with the Termi exhaust system on it. It’s “louder” but not offensive and it’s like that because I like it like that, not because it saves my life.
Ever sat in a car next to your ducati being ridden by somebody else?
Nothing worse than a straight pipe on a modern 250/300.
Really?
Yep, really. The noise comes out the hole in the muffler. This muffler usually faces towards the rear of the bike. So, the majority of the noise goes in that direction… You can test this by standing in front and then behind any vehicle.
Ever sat…
Yes. And it makes me moist. I know it won’t suit your agenda (and you won’t believe me anyway…), but my bike is not that loud. Happy to bring it round for a listen if you like. I opted for a system that brings out a low frequency rumbling note. Sure, it’s louder than standard, but it is still under the legal limit.
But yes, I agree. There are some super loud, super offensive sports bikes out there with race exhausts or diabolically loud cruiser bikes with short or straight through pipes. But the fact remains, if the owner of these shit boxes tries to justify their bike being well over the legal limit with the old “saves lives” rhetoric, then they are only fooling themselves…
Nothing worse than a straight pipe on a modern 250/300.
I could not agree more. The high pitched, tinny ringing noise that they make is ungodly and painful. I generally don’t like larger inline 4 cylinder sports bikes with straight through cans on them for this same reason. They just sound like a screaming banshee…
I had a Ducati and many of my friends did. We used to go for rides together and would have a meeting point. As the guys rocked up to the meeting point, the Termignoni exhausts would quite literally vibrate the walls we would be standing next to from a distance let alone at the actual meet point - they are very capable of alerting drivers of their situational awareness in all directions.
Likewise sound is not one directional, xrays are one directional, but not sound. Unfortunately science says you're wrong on this, not me. If you disagree, go and argue with science.
Also you're talking in a very emotional fashion. There is no reliable statistics to prove loud exhausts "do" or "do not" help motorbike riders so how can you be so convinced? just because you think so? If there is no real study by a reputable authority to back it up or statistics to prove whether exhausts do or do not help moto rider, you are just talking emotional opinionated bull - so am I, except I didnt get so worked up about it from the onset and am happy to admit it.
My bike has a louder than stock exhaust - but only because it was like that when I bought it. I have actually disassembled the muffler and repacked it properly to reduce the noise; if I could put it back to stock without outlay then I would.
Nothing worse than a straight pipe on a modern 250
The high pitched, tinny ringing noise that they make is ungodly and painfulWhich modern 250/300 has a high pitched sound like an inline 4?
Most are Singles or Twins now. The old CBR250's sound like a pack of angry bees after you've punted their hive.The CB400 was another one. The engine just sounds like a cardboard box full of angry hornets… I know it isn't 300cc either, but what I should have clarified was "all small capacity learner legal 4 cylinder bikes", of which there are plenty.
I bought a KTM RC390 on the weekend as a project, and being a single, it doesn't sound too bad with a pipe on it.
But, can I add "450cc dirt bikes" to the list of obnoxious noise makers with that Earth shattering braaaaaap braaaaaap noise they make?
Loud pipes save lives….
While I don't use that line to justify my bikes Akrapovic exhaust, I have personally had a few occasions where I have been the driver of a car and nearly merged until I heard a bike just moments before seeing it. If, for example, my Mrs. was to get a bike I'd put an exhaust on it no matter the type of bike as I'd be concerned about people not hearing her.
I do agree that some cruisers and dirt bikes have ear-shattering volumes to them which is waaaay overboard and deserve a fine
@pegaxs: I see your bait, but I shan't be biting!
Sportster, come on, you can do better than that to get a bite! :P
Just let me know if you want a photo of it. Happy to send you one. It’s a powder blueish/silver 883 Sportster Super Low…
@pegaxs:
Yep! Add the dirt bikes to the list (although I do have one or two that make exactly that sound).Being a project, maybe check out the Tyga pipes for the RC390? But there are plenty of good parts out there for them.
I would pass a law that noisy bikes would be fined if they are crawling under double the speed limit. This way "natural selection" would take care of the issue
@macrocephalic: signs of cheap imports from China. Talked to a lad with an extremely loud bike and he confessed that he had bought it for his less enthusiastic wife purely on price. Now she had left him, taking his good real Japanese street legal bike and he was left with the cheap Chinese crap. He nearly cried to admit that this cheap show off bike was also gutless..
sounds like i'll need louder pipes
I purchased CBR600RR with race exhaust.. I couldn't here fire truck sirens when they were running the red on ride home.
Had to put baffle in the exhaust after I purchased it..
Sounds awesome but hardly safe without the baffles in it.
My Harley came with “short shot” exhausts and the originals in a box. Rode the bike home, and even with a helmet on and ear plugs in, I got home and still was deaf. Soon as the pipes cooled down, I put the genuine ones back on.
While I don’t mind a nice sounding exhaust system, some are just so loud, they are offensive.
Get the plate and report them to EPA and then highway patrol if they keep doing it. I had a few of these Harley-Davidson pests in the area that got defected off the roads.
Or overpowered headlights
The issue isn't overpowered as much as poorly adjusted.
There are lots of people with cheap HID kits that should never be installed. The issue with them isn't the power, but rather that they're often installed into housings designed to effectively reflect light from an incandescent (filament) bulb, not an excited gas plasma, which has a several characteristics that mean the end result isn't appropriate.
Lots of idiots out there with stupidly coloured lights too - too high a colour temperature and the lights aren't actually useful for human eyes at night.
That and HIDs have to be on auto levellers.
The faster the moving vehicle, the higher the beam but as soon as it slows down, the beam is angled lower.
This accounts for distance between vehicles.
One of my biggest pet peeves while driving.
I once saw a little honda hatchback with windshield stickers "turn off your F%$%ING HEAD LAMPS"
What he didn't know was that because he lowered his already short hatchback, his rear view mirror was below the headlamp level of about 80% of the rest of the traffic. Especially with more SUV's on the road these days, with higher headlamps, would just go straight into his rear-view mirror. The poor sod thought everyone was high beaming him when it was just regular low beams, and his own fault for lowering his car.
I can squint my eyes but not my ears
I'll take the loud cars over those cars from the 90's that are basically falling apart and are a hazard to everyone.
Lol, most "loud" cars are just show..
… surely you mean, 'yell'
been doing house inspections recently
when it comes to devaluing the property value of your neighbourhood, loud cars (whether utes, all classes of japanese posers from imported Nissans to fartcan Lancers) are up there with house of hoarders, bludgers loitering the streets, and the yobbos collecting car skeletons
so, good job if you own one of these!
Do you also yell at kids to get off your lawn? 😂
In the 60s/70s there were just as many modified cars, but without the strict regulation we have now. No speed cameras either. Yeah those 'good ole days' that baby boomers refuse to acknowledge actually happened.
Nothing like the sound of a worked 13B
Especially in an RX3 doing a hand stand.
I assume you mean a bridge port 13B turbo.
Only if they're loaded properly…
A loud car/bike is the same as a fart….
… only sweet to the owner..You're getting old!
You typically notice more of things that you're actively noticing or particularly annoy you.
e.g if you hate people who don't indicate you're more inclined to notice them.
If anything I'd say there's less than a few years ago when every single lancer, excel, civic ect. had a 3" fart cannon attached to it.
Definitely a lot less loud cars than years ago. Why doesn't the poll give that option?
However the doof doof 'music' coming out of many cars is a lot louder than years ago IMO.
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
Yes. We agree! There does not seem to be the control over the loud m/bikes and the car exhausts that there used to be. The police have far too much to do! We need to rein it in a lot - especially at night! C'mon government, try listening to us!
What there is out there, is far too many trucks on suburban streets now, and don't they love using those engine brakes! I'll take any modified car/bike over one of those!
Most of them are the same idiots who replace their halogen bulbs with utra white violetish crap that effectively work as a highlight.
I say they should enforce this instead of going after 3kmph over speed limit.
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I don't see many at all anymore. Just motorbikes and trucks.
I agree with earlier comments, way too many SUVs with angled headlights, essentially highbeams.
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Should be more enforcement
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after 3 infringements they should have their cars crushed
This is incredibly wasteful. A muffler (even a complete exhaust system) represents a small percentage of the overall vehicle. It's a simple correction.
Instead of crushing, have the State seize vehicle, swap to legal exhaust then auction it.Excellent suggestion Jim.
I think that comment was tongue-in-cheek.
Ask first and second offenders to watch a documentary with close up views of the expensive gear being "recycled". Then some court appearance, then loss of partner, loss of savings. and so on. Had a mate who used to run red lights in a Suzuki. Cops put him in a dark room with a slide show with red light camera shots. Close up shots with metal fragments stuck inside of dying bodies. Not to mention that he took a cab home and not drive for a week after that!
When I was a kid I read an article that quoted a tow truck driver saying some accident victims “split like a garbage bag”; that was very evocative.
My favourite is Commodore V6 utes, shit-sounding loud exhausts, lowered to the point where they probably bottom out on every little bump, and always driven like they're on race tracks.
Except that no one on a race track drives like the drives of lowered Commodores.
My main gripes are a) the idiots who turn up their sound system then open the windows (if you want to go deaf then wind up the windows and keep the rest of us out of it - your taste in music is usually shit anyway) and motorbikes with really loud engines/exhaust systems that you can hear blocks away. In both cases they are #mefirst morons. Personally, I can't wait until most cars are electric - although I will probably be killed crossing the road because I won't hear it coming.
Yeah, the (profanity) playing shit music loud enough to hear half a street away are way way worse than exhausts to me. I really don't understand the desire to damage your own hearing. I've played music in my car loud enough to almost be uncomfortable to me, then gotten out and closed the door, can't even hear it from a few steps away! And this isn't a modern car with modern insulation either. Are these people bleeding from their ears?
Don't worry, you'll hear electric cars, the majority of noise from a car is made by the tyres, modern engines are so quiet, plus cars like the Jaguar I-Pace are introducing external sounds, which hopefully can be hacked to sound like a TIE Fighter.
We bought an electric top, a few years back, that played the theme to Star Wars when you set it off.
You want the cars crushed after 3 infringements?
Do you not realise how rare some of these cars are?
Hate it when non-enthusiasts thinks crushing cars is a solution because of a couple (profanity) with fartcans. Should be forced removal of such mods, I would support that.
Also, loud cars are not the only problem. I want "stance" to be cracked down on. Ever seen cars with terribly misaligned wheels? Yeh, thats a "trend" and is actually very, very unsafe to other drivers. This, I fully support rules against.
Most other mods are fine, though. With respect, dont recommend crushing cars without knowing what you are talking about.
With infringements, you have to technically infringe the law first.
If your ultra-rare ferrari from the 80s is causing a nuisance then off with its head lmao.
We arent talking "ultra rare ferraris" here. We are talking rare Japanese classics (current classics or future classics) being ruined by idiots (for example, other rare Euro or Aussie cars suffer the same fate). The people that mod their cars that way arent enthusiasts. Theyre idiots.
Trust me, I dislike them just as much- if not more- than you. These fake car people. All they care about is sound or how "slammed bro" their car is. The car should not be wasted because of them.
They ruin good/rare cars for a laugh. Or to follow a trend. I hate it.
But crushing them is not the solution.
Agree x 1000
In regards to your stance comment - it has to be one of the stupidest concepts I've ever seen, travelling along the freeway next to some idiot who thinks having his wheels on a 45 degree angle is somehow 'cool'
I just don't understand why you'd negatively screw up your cars performance by making it look like it's crapped it's pants.
I extend this to people who've lowered their cars to the point they NEED to slow down to 0.5km/h and go sideways to get over speed humps, slowing down everybody else in both directions
I'm curious to know if you actually know which cars came from factory with a loud exhaust that has an electronic valve in it that lets the user determine how loud they want their car to be VS a modified car. The majority of cars that I see/hear that are loud are ADR compliant vehicles.
Not having a go, but with the "Not a problem if they do it 'out of town/suburbs' or at some 'track'" option on the poll, it appears that you're painting people that modify their cars with the same brush as bogans that go out and do burnouts in suburban streets. I'm all for taking hoons and the unsafe cars they drive off the roads, but let people that do modifications and drive responsibly enjoy their hobby.
I agree completely. Wishing I would have addressed that aspect more in mind when creating the poll… someone else said something to the same effect. What do they say about hindsight…
In both cases whether the car is old or new - many of them look incredible and many (most?) owners I'm sure are conscientious and considerate to those around them. Others have mentioned noisey bikes so focusing on loudness of vehicles may have been appreciated to some degree more.Thank you.
I appreciate a well tuned exhaust and extraction system. The cars that get on my nerves are these droning drainpipe exhausts that serve only to wake up the neighbourhood.
This and those damn bikies.
Whats wrong with the system? They let manufacturers get away with things that they dont let normal people get away with.
How loud is a ferrari, lamborghini, mercedes amg or a v8 holden HSV? they are usually louder than most normal cars, if your going to have rules, then have the same rule for everyone.
Cars, buses, trucks and bikes - all have different variations of how loud they are legally allowed to be. Why not have one decibel amount for all manufacturers, this would restrict everyone to having no more than what is allowed.People are quick to blame enthusiasts, but what about the manufacturers who make the parts or the shops that install the parts.
Its quite easy to modify a vehicle these days due to parts availability and as much as there is backyard mechanics, there is legitimate business that make money selling and installing defective parts.As an enthusiast, I dont like my car to be too loud, because I dont want to annoy my neighbours and the general public.
Also don't like the super bright headlights on older cars that scatter and blind everyone, it does irritate me when a SUV with bright lights is behind me, but if its stock standard I just deal with it and nope my car isn't lowered at all.If the government wants to crack down on it, they shouldnt just aim at the enthusiasts but the manufacturers, mechanics and performance parts shops. After all if you want to stop it, you gotta stop it at the top.
If a car is modded and sounds nice, I appreciate it, as I know how much time, money and effort goes into one.
And these are people's hobbies.
As far as I'm aware there is no way to engineer an aftermarket variable exhaust and yet its on every $80k+ HSv/porsche/etc
I used to think it's cool, but after having kids and seeing it wake them up, I did the old person vote in the poll.
get back to the good old days, don't turn old so quick!
Irony or selfishness?
I feel the same way. Also, people peeling off at 3am in the morning on a worknight, why do that?
selfish morons sums it up. Many years ago, when we were renting, we got up one morning and found that just about every car in our street had been vandalised. Stuff wasnt stolen just side mirrors smashed, etc. Some people are just antisocial tools.
Idiots, I have a fairly loud exhaust but Im always driving it quietly in my local area. You're an absolute idiot to rev it loudly around your neighbours.
but it's okay to rev it around other peoples neighbours? lol
agree; you want it loud find somewhere in the middle of nowhere so no one cares.
Where?
I think there is a lot less than last 20 years. There has been huge crackdown on loud cars and bikes.
My car is loud on WOT but relatively quiet driving normal. That said I hate Harley, they are worst sound junkpiles made, I had no hesitation reporting them.
I have a neighbour. Has an exhaust with super deep notes, you hear his car moving, whether getting in and out of his garage. He doesn't have to try, just turn his car on. And he's 2 houses away from us. Worst thing is he enters/exits strange hours, ie, heads out at night 11PM, comes back around 2, or 4.
We've gotten used to it, but I feel for his direct neighbours, a retired old couple.
Hmmm. I wonder if the police should take a look in his garage/house? The high powered car, the antisocial hours - they might find some interesting stuff.
Could be anything. Uni student drop out. But yes I do concur, but hard to get the coppers to have a look without anything solid.
Stupid comment tbh. You think just because they have a loud car and goes out past your bedtime they are doing something illegal? Please don't offer stupid advice.
everybody is allowed to have their opinion Ding' no need for insults.
@Chris Farley: I wasn't insulting him, I said his advice is stupid. Why would the police need to search someones house if they have a loud car and go out late? I have a loud car and go out around then (gym) really don't think I am committing crimes…
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Turn the music up.