[POLL] Cyclists Basically Never Yielding at Stop Sign on Stanley St, Woolloongabba, QLD - Is There Anything I Can Do?

ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 12:27
Last edited 25/07/2018 - 14:37 by 1 other user

So here's the jist - I'm not trying to stir up any heated discussions over cyclists using the road.

There's just a frustrating interaction I have with many cyclists 3 or so times a week on my commute to work in the morning. Here's the location the cyclists come from: Little Stanley Street (I'm usually on the inside lane, if you read further, images included)

Clearly the cyclist lane goes up to, and through, the Stop signage. Cyclists just blaze through this with wanton neglect - I have only seen a handful of cyclists stop at this sign, and I've been driving this route for about a year now, Monday to Friday.

In this image you can see my route in the lane with a red arrow, as I drive further along the lane and then turn left onto the motorway or you can see where on Google maps

Edited here for clarity: The issue being when they don't stop at this sign they are often over-taking traffic that is going slower, and then are riding along the cyclist lane and it inhibits drivers turning onto the motorway as they merge, because the vehicle is going slower, thus cutting off the cyclist, technically. If the cyclist/s had stopped at the Stop sign, vehicles driving past and turning into the exit lane would already be on their way up the ramp before the cyclist got into the cyclist lane. This is amplified when there is a file of cyclists along this route not stopping at the sign, which is common.

The point of the Stop sign is to filter traffic and bikes onto the road in a timely manner and to space them apart - that's why it's there.

This flagrant disregard for obeying traffic laws is really twisting my knickers, because I see it a handful of times a week. It's like they don't think this stop sign applies to them!

What do the Bargain of Oz users think?

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  • 23
    Nothing you can do, but I agree - what a pain
  • 106
    Nothing you can do, get over it
  • 6
    Bikies (not bicyclists)
  • 128
    Post a strongly worded paragraph straight to QLD Police's Facebook page
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Comments

      • thesilverstarman on 27/07/2018 - 17:05

        No, I don't ride one. It annoys me that everyone has to try and stick their noses into other peoples business. I don't see how it's out of order. They aren't hurting him or anyone else. I ride a motorbike, and people get angry with me when I lane filter, which is legal. They get angry because they see someone else getting ahead of them. People are petty and jealous.

    • ThithLord on 26/07/2018 - 12:06

      This is the most ridiculous comment I've seen on OB. You should be proud of yourself.

      • thesilverstarman on 27/07/2018 - 17:08
        -1

        obviously, you haven't read the others in this post. In Vic they are discussing whether or not to allow cyclists to go through stop signs, because they can see better and don't need the whole road. Focus on your own driving and on driving safely rather than on others. If you are so worried about such a petty thing, join the police.

  • 13 on 26/07/2018 - 10:20

    This is a outrageous breach of the law. Its your responsibility to case out the intersection and get some good video and take it to the police road command unit. Hopefully get a couple of convictions.

  • mroarsome on 26/07/2018 - 10:57
    +11

    I also drive this road and turn left on to the motorway Monday to Friday. Never once have I had "frustrating interactions" with cyclists on my commute. I indicate, check my rear view mirror and blind spot and yield to the cyclists when turning left across the bike lane to the motorway entry. It never takes more than 30 seconds of my life to wait for a few cyclist to whizz past. Its common courtesy to those road users who are far more vulnerable.

    These aren't angry middle aged men in lycra, these are hard working men and women commuting from their families home to their workplace, taking a car off the busy road so you can continue to enjoy the comfort of driving to work. Be nice to them!

    • ThithLord on 26/07/2018 - 12:07

      I completely get where you're coming from - as I've said in many comments, I have nothing against cyclists other than flying straight through this Stop sign.

      • Rollins on 26/07/2018 - 14:55

        I re-read your original post etc and to be honest I disregarded your comment about then having to merge left to the freeway with non stopping bike in the way. I don't think that would quite happen solely due to the cyclist running the stop sign ? However I will humor you on that point.

        Now hypothetically what I would do whilst running that stop sign under the guise of being a terrorist cyclist is take note of the cars etc that I just cut in front of, It would be remiss of me to then get all raged up when they wanted to turn left in front of me, in fact I wouldn't be too stressed about anyone making that maneuver there. Doing it at the very last minute whilst i'm barreling down the road at 35-40 and giving me very little indication of what they were about to do would however make me very upset. That previous scenario also happens very frequently to motor cyclists, which also makes them very upset.

        You seem like a reasonable person so think about it from the cyclists point of view. In fact ride a bike to work one day you might actually enjoy it !!

        That aside if you still feel strongly about it go ahead report it to the Police/Council etc as an issue. Good luck getting any response tho….. The best outcome would be that BCC can modify this intersection for everyone's benefit.

  • Lockieasy on 26/07/2018 - 11:54
    +1

    I would just report the problem to the local police station (since what you describe is law-breaking activity) and let them deal with it. It's possible they'll set up a stop sign trap there and rake in some easy revenue.

    Win win for everyone (except the law-breaking cyclists).

  • RichardRides on 26/07/2018 - 13:27
    +4

    Multiple people, all trying to get to their destination.

    The issue is INFRASTRUCTURE and road design, not one group or another. If you want something to change I think your energy would be better expended lobbying the relevant body to build infrastructure - dedicated off-road bike paths for example - that would encourage even more people out of their cars and into more active transport.

    You may even end up with fewer cars on the merge - problem solved!

    • brazen00 on 26/07/2018 - 17:32
      +1

      This person gets it!

  • JediJan on 26/07/2018 - 13:38
    +1

    It seems quite clear some cyclists are deliberately failing to acknowledge the stop sign. So it would be their fault if there was an accident, even uf a driver was taking due care. I would ring the local council (or member) to complain and ask if there is something they could do (perhaps extra signage or lights?) to bring this to the cyclists attention, prevent a fatality. They w/should act on your behalf to pressure the local road authority (RTA?) to amend the situation. Appears to have not been that long ago that we found many pedestrian crossings were installed until after a certain number of pedestrian deaths had occurred, before the authorities acted.

    I found that many drivers were (detouring and) many speeding (80kmh+) at the rear of a very busy secondary college, to avoid the regular bottlenecks at the front. After witnessing a serious close call with a young student I rang council (there were no reduced speed 50 to 40kmh signs at the time either) to complain saying it was only a matter of time. Soon after speed signs were installed and recently been notified speed humps are to be installed after (apart from the fact I really hate speed humps). Just saying; making an official complaint doesn't always fall on deaf ears. I just hope this kind of action was not taken after a fatality had occured though.

    • Rollins on 26/07/2018 - 14:58
      +1

      I think it would be VERY unlikely that a Cyclist would fly through there and not be very sure they had a clear lane to enter. The OP has suggested the issue is that the stop sign is disobeyed. Whilst cyclists to terrorize motorists frequently, especially according to Ozbargain (The one true source of the community !) I doubt they all have a death wish ?

      Wait a minute you saw speeding motorists !! Unheard of ?

      • poohduck on 26/07/2018 - 21:19

        That's my experience as a bike rider. I was rammed twice from behind at traffic lights by drivers when the lights went green. Then I understood why bicycle couriers ran lights. In the city it is the safer thing to do in traffic - keep way ahead of it. It's like when people cross the road before the crossing signal goes green - they only do it when there's nothing coming - pretty basic. The majority of car drivers just drive; they're not particularly interested in driving, and not necessarily good at it. Trucks, motorcycles and bike riders are generally different to the majority of car drivers.

      • JediJan on 27/07/2018 - 15:26

        Not only speeding motorists but parents picking up students. Saw one mother plant it and almost knock a student over (he was already crossing before her vehicle moved from the kerbside). He had to jump out of the way; not funny at all! If I was within earshot I would have taken her to task for that; complete sheer idiotic ignorance on her part. Should have got her rego and reported her to Police; no excuse for her behaviour at all.

        Secondary students often seem worse to me at being observant as it is; apparently more easily distracted and less likely to observe road rules. We don't have so many bike road user problems out here in outer suburbia; have some special bike lanes on major arteries. There seems to be quite a few that ride at night though with no lights or reflectors on their bikes. Not all are adolescents doing this; shame on parents for not having their children's bikes fitted out properly.

  • Neptunesblood on 26/07/2018 - 14:58

    Bikies joke. FFS. And the 5 morons who up-voted it.

  • Herbse on 26/07/2018 - 15:46

    Just drive legally and let whatever happens, happen

  • prinsenhof on 26/07/2018 - 17:28

    For some people driving is a hard task. You have the accelerator, brake and a third thing you forgot - indicators.

    These are used to let others know your intention to turn. Even though some road users just attach cable ties to the steering wheel to make these automatic, its generally considered polite to use them before making the turn, that way other road users can respond appropriately, usually either giving way to let you in, or planting their foot on the accelerator to entice a round of swear words and sign language.

    Maybe you should take a Taxi or Uber to work (bicycles/motorbikes require an extra skill - balance, i wouldn't recommend it for you).

  • Dack Smith on 26/07/2018 - 17:33

    Cyclists have right of way on the roads, anything happens, you are at a disadvantage if you are the car driver.

    The law has been skewed towards them, not sure why but there could be something going on behind the scenes with lawmakers

    • 2ndeffort on 26/07/2018 - 18:02
      +2

      I only ride for exercise and enjoyment, never for commuting. Practically I am a 90% driver 10% cyclist. The law doesn't favour cyclists, your paranoia fails to account for the fact that if a car and cyclist come together the driver's worst fear is that their paintwork might get scratched, a cyclists worst outcome is death or permanent disability. The law should protect people, if the consequence from this is that you are held up for 2 mins on your daily commute or that you have to wait for a while before it is safe to overtake, as frustrating as that may be, if the tradeoff is that a father gets to go home alive to his wife and kids or that a daughter goes home alive to her parents then I think it is a bit selfish to whinge about minor inconveniences.

    • nith265 on 27/07/2018 - 09:18

      anything happens, you are at a disadvantage if you are the car driver.

      Agree - except when the cyclist is dead or injured of course - but even so it's hard being a driver. Why should we be expected to look for cyclists and drive at the same time??

      The law has been skewed towards them, not sure why but there could be something going on behind the scenes with lawmakers

      I smell something too - we need to find out what's really going on. Someone is pushing a hidden agenda.

    • JediJan on 27/07/2018 - 15:35

      Have to disagree on that; obviously bike riders are at fault also. I know a couple who only had one child. He unexoectedly swerved and tragically swerved across in front of a vehicle without any notice, space or ample time for the driver to react. A bad judgement call made by a child rider. It was never considered to be driver's fault at any time, by anyone, least of all the parents. Fortunately there were witnesses to the accident who could support the driver. Very difficult to predict what a child rider may do.

  • asskikrneo on 26/07/2018 - 18:11
    +5

    FWIW I know that cyclists have been and are fined from police for running that exact stop sign.

    • ThithLord on 27/07/2018 - 07:45

      That's good to know!

  • poohduck on 26/07/2018 - 21:14

    My uncle used to say "life's good if that's all you've got to complain about". I think the gist of it is, if you were in a war zone you wouldn't be worried about such things.

  • Jase83 on 27/07/2018 - 08:48
    +4

    Meanwhile just up the road the left hand turn you take onto the M1 is banned between 4pm and 6pm - https://goo.gl/maps/q2fxc1vC7Uy

    This is COMPLETELY ignored by hundreds and hundreds of cars during that period every day.

    Seems to me your outrage meter is quite misdirected. There are hundreds of thousands of unlicensed/drug&alcohol effected/texting drivers piloting 1.5+ tonnes of metal on our roads contributing to ACTUAL damage - 1200-1300 deaths and ~50,000 serious injuries a year, the cost to the economy is billions of dollars. Yet the thing that makes your blood boil is ~70kg of rider + 8kg of carbon and rubber rolling through a stop sign? Selective outrage at it's finest.

  • [Deactivated] on 27/07/2018 - 09:01

    Mate, gtf over it.

    Just let the cyclists do whatever they're doing as they are simply in a better position than you to judge what is safe, and cycling is inherently unsafe. They don't have all that protective shit you have called a car body.

    So it makes driving a little more of a hassle. So what. You'll be fine in your little steel cocoon of entitlement.

    • SlickMick on 27/07/2018 - 14:33

      You can do what you like as long as it doesn't affect me. One day you'll hassle someone less tolerant than I am, and that should teach you some manners. Don't hassle others, and we don't have an issue.

      • [Deactivated] on 27/07/2018 - 14:35
        +1

        They're just trying to stay alive.

        You and others take it as some kind of personal slight to your fragile egos.
        Umm, no, they're just trying to avoid your undercarriage.

        Doesn't seem like too much to ask to me.

        • SlickMick on 27/07/2018 - 14:41
          -4

          They can do other things to stay alive. It isn't an ego thing (on driver's side), it's just why should we tolerate being inconvenienced? The issues we have are where cyclists seem to be looking to see the our undercarriage.

        • [Deactivated] on 27/07/2018 - 14:44
          +4

          @SlickMick:

          …why should we tolerate being inconvenienced?

          Your delusion is disclosed right there.

          They have as much right to be on the road as you do, but that's not how you see it.

          Only cyclists "inconvenience" you, not other car drivers, and you're conscious of the safety/power imbalance, and seek to play on that.

          They're not the problem, you are.

        • SlickMick on 27/07/2018 - 14:53
          -2

          @AngryChicken:
          What delusion? That I reckon we should consider others, even if we're legally entitled to do something that will be inconvenient for someone else?

          All I'm saying is if you want me to be courteous to you, you need to be courteous to me. I would never get in front of a vehicle I know wants to go faster, even if it is within my legal right to do so.
          For my own safety, I don't overtake a truck going uphill that I know will want to faster than me downhill.

          What problem am I? I'm a problem to cyclists? To myself?? I totally missed where you went with that.

        • [Deactivated] on 27/07/2018 - 16:09
          +3

          @SlickMick:

          How hard is this? They are entitled to be on the road. You don't think they should be there, in front of your car, slowing you down. It makes you cranky. You have trouble handling it. You know that they have a legal right to be there but you don't care, because you don't respect them exercising that right. You don't understand that getting out of your way isn't always safe, as you've probably never been on a bike. You're there, looking at this nice tight butt in lycra, while you're sitting there on your fat arse and hemorrhoids in your big fat car thinking you're the big boss man. The fact is you're the one that creates all these externalities - you're creating noise pollution for local residents, you're damaging the road so people like me have to keep paying for their upgrade, you're belching out all this toxic pollution that's giving me cancer, you're burning through all this fossil fuel that we're running out of, yet despite all this you've got a problem with a cyclist who isn't doing any of that shit.

          It's because i'm aware there are people with your insightless attitude that i do not ride on the road, despite your assumptions otherwise.

        • SlickMick on 27/07/2018 - 16:25
          -4

          @AngryChicken:
          society doesn't function very well where everyone demands to exercise their rights without consideration for anyone else. cyclists on roads are a prime example.

          i've been on a bike, but I wouldn't put myself in a situation where I'm a nuisance to others and endanger myself. (I also wouldn't wear lycra.)

          I don't have a problem with the stuff that's an issue to you - sounds like you don't want to be there - oh it's coz of me you're not there. okay

        • [Deactivated] on 27/07/2018 - 16:26
          +1

          @SlickMick:

          Mind you some of them are aggressive PIA's…but so am i when i think someones trying to kill me.

          And don't forget to read my Dick Smith tirade over here.

        • Eeples on 28/07/2018 - 21:55

          @AngryChicken:

          This isn’t about cars vs cyclists.

          It is about a stop sign not being obeyed.

          Your agenda (whatever it is) adds little to this discussion.

        • [Deactivated] on 29/07/2018 - 08:04
          -1

          @Eeples:

          I don't care if cyclists run stop signs for the reasons i've set out above. I'm perfectly on point.

          My agenda is the preservation of life. That should be obvious.

          Deal with your hemorrhoids. Gee that's hard to spell.

      • bongom on 27/07/2018 - 16:32

        @SlickMick doesn't understand how to share the road?

  • bobolo on 27/07/2018 - 09:15
    +2

    Interesting to see when cyclists are in the wrong its "get over it"…."move on"…"none of your business". But when drivers are in the wrong, cyclists are immediately up in arms, protesting, citing road laws and regulations in their defense etc. On one hand, they want to be treated with equality on the roads. On the other they don't want to be equally identifiable and charged with offences like drivers are if they break the law. And they wonder why drivers don't like them. waits for some triggered cyclist to copy and paste this comment but change "cyclists" to "drivers"

    • nith265 on 27/07/2018 - 09:30

      Yeah Im sick of reading all these forum posts from self entitled cyclists demanding action about cars breaking traffic rules and demanding police action.

      • bobolo on 27/07/2018 - 09:39

        Sorry I seem to have missed the part from the original post about "demanding action" let alone police action?

        • nith265 on 27/07/2018 - 10:02

          That's OK, it is hard to concentrate when day after day we both have to read these posts from irrational cyclists having a whinge

          I was merely extrapolating a possible outcome from OP's leading poll option

          Post a strongly worded paragraph straight to QLD Police's Facebook page

          It's high time us drivers mobilised and started making forum posts to give them a taste of their own medicine. Drivers have been oppressed for too long. We have rights too!!!

        • 2ndeffort on 27/07/2018 - 10:27
          +2

          @nith265: Almost every cyclist is also a driver, which faction do we join?

        • bobolo on 27/07/2018 - 11:24
          +1

          @nith265:

          "possible outcome" and "demand" are 2 different things. Also a "strongly worded" paragraph does not in any way constitute a demand

          If you scroll through QLD police facebook posts, or look at discussions, complaints, videos from various forums and community platforms, they are overwhelmingly about drivers breaking the law, behaving badly, doing the wrong thing etc - not cyclists. And most of them are condemned by everyone else if the issue is genuine. So I'm not sure why the odd cyclist doing the wrong thing post gets cyclists so upset lol

        • nith265 on 28/07/2018 - 13:41

          @2ndeffort:
          Come on - you know deep in your heart what side you’re on. We all know cyclists are the real cause of most problems on our roads.

          I know it’s just a stop sign leading to a dedicated bike lane that merges without interfering with the flow of traffic but you’re simply not seeing the bigger issue. If as a society we show any tolerance to this dangerous cyclist behaviour, what next?? It could infect the minds of drivers and next thing you know cars might start speeding and running red lights (unthinkable I know as drivers currently never do this).

          Once we get to this stage it could become really unpleasant on the roads with drivers getting frustrated with each other and driving aggressively. It’s important to focus now on the core issue of cyclists breaking road rules before its too late.

        • nith265 on 28/07/2018 - 13:54

          @bobolo:

          So I'm not sure why the odd cyclist doing the wrong thing post gets cyclists so upset lol

          I know right – it’s almost as if they think most of the deaths and injuries on the road relate to speeding and poor driver behaviour rather than cyclists running stop signs

    • devpress on 27/07/2018 - 21:50
      +1

      @bobolo:

      But when drivers are in the wrong, cyclists are immediately up in arms, protesting, citing road laws and regulations in their defense etc

      I understand your annoyance at the double standard.

      Thing is, the reason why cyclists seem to react in the way you describe is because of the inequality between the car and bicycle.

      If a car driver does something wrong, even if its a minor infringement, if the infringement causes a collision with a bicycle then the results are usually very bad to catastrophic for the cyclist.

      Cyclists react this way because they are far more vulnerable vs. a car in the event of a collision.

      Again, totally understand the anger at the perceived double standard, but when drivers do something that could be a life-or-death situation for a cyclist it puts into perspective the cyclists reaction

  • FirstWizard on 27/07/2018 - 11:04
    +5

    Well actually, if the cycle lane is as busy as the OP explains and if every cyclist stop for the prescribed 3 seconds, provided the typical average bicycle acceleration on a flat surface of 0.231m/s2, and the max speed on flat ground of 22km/h (Parkin 2010), the gap between cyclists when they reach steady state at the place where OP needs to change lanes would be 2.529m (say 3m).

    This 3m gap is not enough for a 4.5m car to safely change lanes when OP reaches the top of the road.

    You see, unlike the cars, the placement of this particular the cycle lane does not interleave main road cars and bikes as the OP expects.

    I'm not saying that the cyclists should disobey road rules. But it doesn't solve OP's problem which happens solely due to bad road design.

    • TimboAus1234 on 27/07/2018 - 11:31
      +1

      Agree, maybe ask the council about making the bike lane not continuous or something like that.

    • Jase83 on 27/07/2018 - 12:56
      +1

      Thankfully a major upgrade to this extremely busy commuter pathway into the city has just started - https://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-transport/roads-infr…

    • SlickMick on 27/07/2018 - 14:37
      +1

      Thanks for the maths. Someone earlier was trying to say cyclists accelerate faster. Apparently one of the major problems is so many cyclists don't have good maths skills.

    • JediJan on 29/07/2018 - 15:47

      Perhaps a simple set of lights for bikes vs vehicles turning left would simply rectify the problem … assuming bike riders would respect these lights. We have simple lights installed in Melbourne for trams and cars to proceed at different times (even though the current St. Kilda road renovations are a bit of a nightmare if you have not driven there for a while). Doesn't sound too difficult to implement something better.

  • tallmantim on 27/07/2018 - 12:57

    That is poorly designed cycling infrastructure.

    I would treat that stop sign as a give way sign as a cyclist, ensuring there were no cars cutting across the left lane.

    ESPECIALLY IF THE TRAFFIC WAS NOT MOVING!!!

    You want cyclists to stop, wait 3 seconds and move on after that just …. …. …. because?

    The stop sign is not there to "slow" traffic. It is to protect the inner lane from flying into a road area without checking.

    My take away from this is not that someone should force cyclists to act like cars in the tiny amount of road space they are afforded, but that the cycling infrastructure should be such that cyclists can spend as much of their trip as as possible separated from cars.

    • sween64 on 27/07/2018 - 14:05
      +2

      It sounds like they aren't even slowing down which should be done if it were a give way sign.

    • Levathian on 27/07/2018 - 15:50
      +1

      If they're not slowing down maybe it needs a speed bump instead.

    • tanksinatra on 28/07/2018 - 13:49

      "I would treat that stop sign as a give way sign as a cyclist, ensuring there were no cars cutting across the left lane."

      That will cost you $341 and three demerit points for "Failing to stop at a stop line at an intersection without traffic lights".

      You must come to a complete stop before proceeding through the intersection. Once you move past the stop sign, the next person is then required to stop as near as practicable to the stop line before proceeding through.

      I agree it is a bad road design for motorists and cyclist, but that is no excuse for ignoring the stop sign. Perhaps the council should install a speed bump before it?

  • sween64 on 27/07/2018 - 14:06

    If the Queensland Police FB post doesn't get you anywhere the next step would be to report it to the local state MP.

  • GG57 on 27/07/2018 - 16:14
    +3

    OP:
    "…I'm not trying to stir up any heated discussions over cyclists using the road…"

    You may have failed on that.

  • wirelesscord on 27/07/2018 - 17:14

    There's major works planned for the active transport there. Very soon I believe.

  • iSamurai on 27/07/2018 - 20:17

    I go through that intersection every now and then and always stop there. I also remind my mates to stop there and they’re surprised that there’s a stop sign. I was equally surprised at their reaction but you know they’ll do the bike lane upgrade soon so I think that’ll eliminate cyclists from going through the stop sign altogether.

  • devpress on 27/07/2018 - 21:43
    +3

    Guys (& gals) - the thing is, as long as there are humans involved, there will always be bad behaviour on the roads, irrespective of the vehicle in which said human is operating.

    Lawful or unlawful behaviour aside, we need to keep in mind that
    (a) it is another human being behind a vehicle; and
    (b) cyclists stand no chance against a motor vehicle in a collision

    Whenever I come across the cyclist vs. car debate, these 2 points are forgotten based on the the way the conversation usually carries on.

    In particular are the comments that suggest "running the cyclist over" to teach them a lesson - whether seriously or in jest.

    Some of us want to "punish" the poorly behaving cyclist by running them over with our cars - because we can. Yet far few of us think about ramming other cars when their drivers are behaving poorly (though I do concede taht incidences of road rage seems to be increasing).

    When other drivers are behaving poorly, we might get annoyed or angry, but often we let it go fairly quickly and get on with our own driving. We are far less likely to stew over it and jump on internet forums to voice our gripe.

    Just because car drivers have the upper hand (vs. cyclists) doesn't mean we should contemplate deliberately injuring one or otherwise deliberately compromising their safety.

    In the ongoing debate and hostility between drivers and cyclists, when its all said and done, cyclists will always lose out, and a cyclist is a life. Cyclists should obey the rules like everyone else, but even when you come across one that is behaving less than ideal, let's not treat them any differently to other less than ideal road users.

    EDIT: as a disclaimer, I'm both a road cyclist and car owner/driver. When I'm out on the road on my bike, I take special care to follow rules, and particularly to not do anything that may antagonise other drivers. I get out of the way, even if I'm "entitled" to use the road like other cars, for the sole reason of survival as I stand no chance against other vehicles. When I'm in my car, I give cyclists space and time (even if it slows me down) because I know precisely know how vulnerable a cyclist can feel when on the road

  • belongsinforums on 27/07/2018 - 22:55
    -1

    Why the f do stuck up bike riders feel the need to write irrelevant comments here and stir up arguments?

    • 2ndeffort on 28/07/2018 - 09:46

      Read the thread again pal, it wasnt a cyclist kicking it all off. Also, why are cyclists stuck up because we arent too keen on being run over.

      • belongsinforums on 28/07/2018 - 09:58

        The op did not complain about cyclists in general. He even stated clearly that he's not trying to stir discord, but simply wants to protect these particular cyclists from endangering themselves and others

        • 2ndeffort on 28/07/2018 - 10:53

          No problem with that and I agree with the OP that anybody running a red light or stop sign is an idiot BUT when others start piling on calling people Tour de france wannabes and lycra losers etc, when people start saying all cyclists break the law etc, things I know to be wrong, how is it stuck up to call people out for being bigots and judging people based on their own stupid stereotypes

        • nith265 on 28/07/2018 - 14:32
          +1

          He even stated clearly that he's not trying to stir discord

          OP is asserting that cyclists breaking the law in one spot affects his inability to merge 70 metres down the road. I think it’s a tenuous connection and this disconnect is causing the discord.

          This thread is yet another illustration of some drivers’ bewildering assignment of blame onto cyclists for their frustrations on the road.

          No excusing cyclists breaking the law but why get so upset that you need to make a OzB post about it specifically. We all see other drivers speeding, running red lights and generally driving aggressively nearly every time we drive. These are the real safety issues on the road to be concerned about yet they are all overlooked in favour of constructing a weak arguments to moan about and blame cyclists.

          …something about not paying registration…. something about identification…. something about wearing lycra….something about having to wait 10 seconds before I can overtake…

        • belongsinforums on 28/07/2018 - 14:38

          @nith265: registration should be introduced as a way to make all road users liable. The other complaints you mentioned are as petty as people complaining about the physical appearance of politicians

        • nith265 on 28/07/2018 - 15:44

          @tomkun01:

          …a way to make all road users liable

          Well cyclists are liable as it is.. yeah? If there’s a major issue of cyclists skipping out on paying for their liabilities in crashes I’m yet to hear of it.

          The registration issue has been well debated – the costs of implementing for bikes far outweigh any financial or road safety benefits. There are no issue that cyclists are causing (relative to cars) so governments are not prepared to waste time and money on it.

          The idea is championed mainly by drivers who feel that because they pay registration they solely also own the rights to use road. We all own the roads through our taxes paid by drivers, cyclists and those who never directly use the road. Registration fees pretty much only cover the costs of administering Registration fees.

          And I think both Malcom and Bill are very pretty (but not as pretty as Tony used to be with his cycling gear on)

        • belongsinforums on 28/07/2018 - 15:50

          @nith265: you're right. I dispute the cost factor though, seeing as how the gubment spent so much on the marriage equality survey

  • jamo96 on 28/07/2018 - 10:49
    +1

    In your life think how many hours you've been held up by other motorists (traffic jams etc) and compare it to how much time you've been held up by bicyclists. I'll give you a hint - they dont compare. People get so worked up over cyclists and just forgive any faults of other motorists.

    • ThithLord on 30/07/2018 - 10:03
      +1

      Absolutely agree - I was by no means getting worked about over cyclists for being cyclists. It was for cyclists treating this Stop sign with wanton disregard.

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