I am in the market for a 2-3 year old reliable medium to large SUV under $30k.
Ideally diesel but petrol would suffice
I travel approx 30 000km a year and no german brands please
I like the Toyota Kluger as it is large and strong and cheap to maintain too.
All advice will be kindy received.
Thanks
PS 4 x 4 or all wheel drive would be nice too.
They're absolutely fine if you do regular highway speeds. People who use them as a runabout will be replacing particulate filters left right and centre. This is a problem common to all diesels, but Subarus are particularly bad at it for whatever reason. I know two people with diesel Foresters, both love them, both several thousands into particulate filter related repairs and maintenance.
Buy a Camry when in doubt. These will keep on going until you know what.
Nissan xtrail
for towing… yeah no worries mate
I have a 2013 Kia Sorento Si which I picked up new for $34k driveaway. I've had no issues whatsoever with it and would happily recommend it for features and size vs cost. I chose the 3.5V6 because my ks are low but the 2.2 Diesel AWD would be great for you transitioning from a Territory. Sli midrange model around 3 years old will be squarely in your budget with 4 years warranty remaining.
Another vote for the Sorento. The 2.2 diesel is still the same model from 2009, and used in all the Hyundai's and Kia's. My 2010 Sorento sips at 7.5l per 100km, and have had zero issues even after the warranty had concluded. At 250,000 km, I can vouch for the reliability!
The Sportage is very similar, although certainly worthwhile if you don't need the extra two seats like we do - it's about $10k cheaper at new than the Sorento, so you could probably get a newer Sportage for the same value.
The Hyundai's are also very similar (most parts in my Sorento are dual stamped with both logos anyway) but I did find during research that the Hyundai's commanded a price premium over the similarly spec'd Kia's. Most likely due to either premium features, brand name or both.
2018 Mitsubishi Outlander
Mitsubishi outlander 7 seat new for 29k……
The only concern with Mitsubishi is the warranty is limited to 100000kms/5yrs so you will be out of warranty in 3yrs at 30,000km PA
Above is for most of the cars except Honda and Kia they have unlimited KMs warranty now
agree on warranty ….but a cvr from honda similar to an outlander will set you back other 12K easy……i would think with that you can pay to fix it or get a new one 3 years later…..
Depreciation on Mitsubishi is horrible.
Ford, Holden, Honda, Renault* and Hyundai all have 5yrs unlimited km warranties. *Renault is only 5 years on select vehicles. Ford has no km restrictions for commercial use or vehicles.
MG offers 6yrs.
KIA has 7 yrs.
If days off the road are important, you would have to be insanely unlucky to use a Hyundai or KIA warranty.
Very happy with our Renault Koleos, they start from $30k new, 5 year warranty
2016 Kia Sportage. Can probably get the top spec GT-Line if you push hard enough at those dollars with 5 years unlimited Kms' warranty remaining. Easily fit 4 big adults. Add roof racks if the boot is too small for your needs. 7.5L/100km in city driving (diesel). 15K service intervals as well.
I was also close to getting the 2015 Outlander PHEV (hybrid, 60km range fully electric, no petrol on short trips and prime parking in shopping centers!!), but Kia warranty won me over.
Suzuki grand vitara
I don't think you "need" SUV. Wagon will do the job and if you need bigger car then try people mover. You can get 2015 top of the line Hyundai i40 premium diesel wagon under 30k or entry level Kia Carnival S diesel. Hyundai diesel wagon consume only 5L/100km.
santa fe diesel
tuscon diesel
cx5 diesel
cx8 diesel
CX8's are around $50k
have u considered New Mitsubishi Outlander or ASX?
Ford territory. Absolute work horse. Car has been m. Discontinued though.
Not 4WD-ing
Not towing
Not carrying more than 4 people
How about a giraffe? Gives you that I'm-above-all-of-you-plebs feeling, doesn't burn up fossil fuels, and free tree trimming for the life of the giraffe!
A giraffe is a 4WD though.
So far i am looking at a 2 year old Subaru Outback 2.5 for about 25k or even an xtrail diesel for about 25 as well.
I am so thankfull for u guys ideas so far
Thanks in advace
Good luck to get a 2 year old Outback for 25K, maybe for a 2.5i. Def not the premium with eyesight.
CX5, X-trail, Koleos (X-Trail re-skin) or Outlander would be my picks. All available within budget, all reliable motoring as far as I know, decent service intervals (Toyota will sting you every 6 months which is a hassle).
I was in the same boat.
Got a kia sorento 1 year old. Still has 6 years warranty. Supper happy with the decision!
Skoda Superb wagon. SUVs like X trail are a bit like getting kicked in the nuts if you are in any way interested in cars.
Don't buy a Toyota Kuluger.
Lots of steering shaft problems any engine work required engine comes out.
Prado V6 is the go very reliable and not many people want them.
All used Diesel's run the risk of breaking down with huge expense huge expenses.
Only ever buy 4 cylinder front drive cars as room to fix under the bonnet.
Please have a look at this video before you decide to get a second hand diesel
Warning: 'Autoexpert' content link! I can't stand that bloke's attitude and he is getting more click baity the more click bait he gets. While I'm sure he is knowledgable, his delivery is all holier than thou and self promoting and clouded with rhetoric. The sort of person that would fit into a Trump administration.
I ended up with a Kluger. Spent 35k though.
Spent most my time looking at Hyundai Santa Fe, awesome cars, but just didn't have the room factor for a "tall" family.
You can't really go too wrong with any of these, really depends on what's important to you in terms of size, power, fuel consumption, badge/lux level etc.
On road SUVs:
Kia Sorento (diesel, fraction roomier than santa Fe, pick up the remains from 7yr warranty)
Hyundai Santa Fe (diesel, higher badge than Kluger at similar price, not as roomy)
Toyota Kluger (roomy, steers like boat,costs more, sips more, warranty only 3yrs, good power and comfort)
Mitsubishi Outlander (cheaper, lower powered, good bang for buck)
Nissan X-Trail (avoid the newer Pathfinders, rubbish CVT)
Mazda CX-5 (good) or CX9 (very good) if you can afford it.
Honda Cr-V brand new should be around 31k.
If you are doing 30000 KMs a year I think it would be better to buy a car with adaptive cruise control and autonomous breaking . They sound silly if you never used them but you can't live without once you get used to .
I used adaptive cruise control recently on a work car. Had to keep turning it off because the distance to the car in front was too much to give the car in front a hint that I was going faster and they should move back left so I could pass.
Yeah they're all different but you're right, the Toyota's closest distance is still a pita in peak hour
That was in an Outlander. Then it keeps you hanging so far back that every man and his dog jumps in front into the 'safety gap'.
I think its a bit of a gimmick that reduces your concentration on the road, which will probably lead to complacency and possibly even more distraction while driving. Give a person a lazy way out and they'll use it, then while they are being lazy, they'll get distracted by something shiny and before you know it… whammo.
I really like it in normal traffic on highways/freeways, just not during peak time. Would be damn handy on road trips
@Spackbace: I guess it would be handy on a single lane highway where the car in front is varying speed because they wont use their own cruise control. I was using it on a busy freeway
Any decent driver shouldn't need autonomous braking.
yeah, you wouldn't need it until you try one :-)
Sell cars with it, have tried it. Don't need it
Either the cars you sell have poor implementations or you haven't 'tried it'.
The only time AEB should engage is when you are clearly about to hit the car/pedestrian in front because you haven't braked/braked enough.
It is a last line active safety device only to be used when you have completely failed as a driver. It won't always engage, but when it does, it saves you from a crash.
@Euphemistic: If that was the case then there would be no car crashes anymore. While I might not use it, I am more than happy for all new cars to have it because it would protect me as a pedestrian/cyclist/driver/passenger in front.
@kingmw: True, all new cars should have it. I hope I'd never need it. I think I've only used ABS braking in anger once or twice in many years of driving, I hope most divers would be the same.
In my perspective the longer you are on the roads each day the more you need it
Great Wall :p
It have free air as well :)
but in the tyres, the AC probably wont work.
It could be more sensible to consider a station wagon or people mover if 4wd is not needed daily. Just hire a 4wd when you need one (probably never).
+1 to those who suggested Subaru Outback AWD or Forester AWD
hilux wagon diesel special order…arb
Sigh another person with a big car for no real reason.
Op isn’t alone in their choice of vehicle. The sale of suv are increasingly outnumbering the sale of traditional passenger vehicles.
I'm considering of buying a demo unregistered Mitsubishi Triton GLS Automatic with only 10kms for $35990 drive away. What are your thoughts or experience on this.? Thanks in advance for your inputs.
Perfect. Do it.
But I wouldn’t.
Demo unregistered?
Not likely.
Either:
A) it's registered, just not plated, or
B) it's been 'sold' in the system and the warranty has already started, and sure it might not be registered.
Check if it is 2018 built and complied.
It's not a demo if it is only 10km and unregistered. It is a 'pre-reported' vehicle. It has been reported as sold to the manufacturer to secure bonuses to be able to get to $35,990. Like Spackbace said, warranty has started. You are still the first registered owner of the car.
Demonstrators are registered and may have a minimum hold period, like 30 or 90 days (so you can only buy it after it has been registered for 30 days). These cars may be used as demonstrators or lent out to staff, service customers, people waiting on their new car or even (with some brands) to customers on extended test drives, over night. They might not be driven at all.
The problem with Mitsubishi is that they often have 3 year old vehicles which they are selling as new due to the way they incentivise their dealers. This matters as Mitsubishi suffer severe depreciation.
This comment is purely my opinion.
Thanks for your input. It has been built and complied DEC 2017 and undriven demo and unregistered but warranty started last April 2018. im just thinking that for a I wouldn't really find a "new" 4x4 automatic at that price.
We purchased a "new" car online - got a great deal! only to find out when we had an issue with it close to the warranty period ending (so we thought) only to find out that the warranty had already ended because unbeknownst to us - B) it's been 'sold' in the system and the warranty has already started (before we bought it), and sure it might not be registered. So be careful.
got a great deal!
Lol I love that you still consider it a good deal when you were lied to and deceived 😂
that great deal was the thought we had when we paid for it not the thought when we realised the warranty ended about 30 days before we expected it to. got rid of that car very quick like.. and we were not very happy campers Spacebace
You’re a lol on a stick mate. If you like Toyota kluger go get Toyota Kluger. What kind of lack of self esteem makes you come to the forums to have your opinion validated? The kluger is a barge it’s shit inside and out unless you live in the bush it’s a shit choice - does that sway your opinion? Didn’t think so. Now stop wasting our time and go get what you like
Santa fe 2010 onward. Every one I know who has one loves it.
I have a Forester. Wanted something of re reasonable size, can tow a trailer or camper, go basic offroad and most importantly doesn't drive like a tank.
Bought an 09 XS with very few kms, still going strong.
If you do want a prado lite however sure get the kluger or similar.
I was looking along similar lines a few days ago here n SA and noticed that Pickles had ex gov Ford Territory's circa 2016 for just over $21k. These were pretty high mileage diesels (60,000 ish), but looked not bad. The diesels seem to be considered pretty good by reviewers.
Toyota Kluger under $30 K
Err good luck mate.
2 wheel drive on a heavy car with a 3.5 litre engine. Results will be alot wheel spin and crap mileage per tank. Also in the description it says it has over 100,000km on it. Bit confused there
There's 41 results there…
Also fwd has better mileage than AWD…
Another vote for the Hyundai Santa Fe Highlander (DM). We have one in the family and it's been solid.
-Engine delivers on performance(also doesn't require a DPF)
-AWD
-Comes with plenty of features
-Top-spec Highlander can be had for under $30k second-hand although, you'd be looking at ~5 year old vehicle
Mazda cx-5 diesel only thing expensive about it is the wheels. But great car
And the number of them having faults and needing new turbos
Also ,also careful with Mazda. Servicing is sometimes much more expensive and more frequent than other Asian cars and even some European cars.
You're doing 27,000km per year. You won't have a problem.
Diesel particulate filter's play up when the particulate filter can't burn off heavy particles. You need to load the engine by hitting a certain speed and driving for a bit. Some manufacturers use urea instead. It sounds like Subaru dosen't in Australia.
Most diesels when used exclusively in a major city will have problems.