Casual Fast Food Employee. If I'm Say 5 Mins Late to Work, Can My Boss Force Me to Stay Another 5 Minutes past My Rostered Time

AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 01:22
Last edited 24/06/2018 - 12:36 by 1 other user

Had a family member waiting in the parking lot to pick me up, they weren't really amused. I have a feeling the boss forced me to stay longer and forced my ride to sit in their car twiddling their thumbs to prove a point, but I'm just wondering is it legal to fire an employee for not staying beyond their rostered time even if they were late to that shift? Wouldn't normally care, but this isn't the first time I've been expected to work a few minutes longer than rostered time while my ride sits in the car wishing I would be let out on time so they can keep doing the rest of their chores, but this is the first time I've been a few minutes late. I'm usually about four minutes early and jump straight into the work, even though I don't mark those few minutes down in the time book unless it's like a full 15 minutes early (it's boring waiting around for your shift to start anyway).

It's just the being forced to stay longer than the rostered time that I'm wondering about. I have not seen that in this kind of job before, usually the clock out time is the rostered clock out time, unless the manager asks you nicely if you wouldn't mind staying a bit longer this shift with my permission. I'd just like to do whatever Fairwork says we should be doing, instead of wondering whether the boss is going to be grumpy today and demand some extra work. Also I'm not too bothered about the 40 cents per minute or whatever. I'm applying for full time work that matches my studies, so a bit of unpaid minimum wage work here and there won't exactly alter my longterm career plans and savings much.

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        • Scrooge McDuck on 24/06/2018 - 15:50
          +8

          I use this to make it clear:

          🚨🚨🚨</SARCASM>🚨🚨🚨

        • JimmyF on 24/06/2018 - 19:11
          +1

          Its really hard to tell these days, so yes a wink would have helped!!!

        • JimmyF on 24/06/2018 - 19:12
          +2

          @Scrooge McDuck: hahaha that was needed here. There are a LOT of snowflakes who think its totally ok to arrive late and leave on time.

    • nige0090 on 24/06/2018 - 12:21
      +2

      "Down with this sort of thing"

    • Baysew on 24/06/2018 - 12:26
      +2

      what should our banner say?

      Any bargains?

      • D C on 24/06/2018 - 12:47

        What's the CashRewards percentage?

  • Marcsie on 24/06/2018 - 08:17
    -1

    First world problem :)

  • onetwothreefour on 24/06/2018 - 08:19
    +8

    I can't wait until your next post "I've applied for 1000 roles but never get past the reference checking stage, what am I doing wrong?"

  • Stevek1960 on 24/06/2018 - 08:26
    +10

    I know I will cop a heap of negs over this but it is reality and an issue in todays workforce.
    Had this discussion on another forum, young people today are just too casual in their approach to everything in general, expect to get paid for time not worked and not work the time they are getting paid for.
    God help the next generation with such great teachers.

    • Micko179 on 24/06/2018 - 10:25
      +1

      +1 Steve, my younger sister, racked up all these bills (car/numerous phones & tablets/furniture & appliances etc) then went bankrupt & because of all the defaults had the audacity to complain about no longer being able to get finance! Now dear old Mum & Dad have all her loans in their names!

    • Clear on 24/06/2018 - 10:26

      I've worked with a lot of people who've claimed the extra 10 minutes they worked overtime. Is it really worth all that effort?

    • D C on 24/06/2018 - 13:03
      +9

      God help the next generation with such great teachers.

      Obligatory (but likely bogus) Socrates quote from around 2500 years ago:

      The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

      • Scrooge McDuck on 24/06/2018 - 15:56
        +1

        Damn those presemiquinmillenials!

      • joungs on 24/06/2018 - 16:02

        Juvenoia is a hell of a drug

      • heatseeker424 on 25/06/2018 - 19:05

        Damn those leg crossers!

  • whooah1979 on 24/06/2018 - 08:39
    +5

    Our policy is to give employees three options if they are late on a regular basis. Stay back to account for the lost productivity, deduct from their wage to account for the time lost or find another job.

    These measures are something we prefer not to do. We would rather they start work on time and finish on time. That should keep all parties happy.

    • ausmechkeyboards on 25/06/2018 - 08:52

      What do you do for work?

      Laborer? Pick packer?

  • ozhunter on 24/06/2018 - 08:46
    +4

    If you're late, message the person picking you up to come bit later.

    • ozbjunkie on 25/06/2018 - 05:09

      Yeah I was wondering when someone would bring up the fact that he's often early.

      My response to that is, don't be. Stay on time, start and finish, if they won't give you credit, don't show extra effort.

    • HighAndDry on 25/06/2018 - 10:24

      Given that OP says he's in early (and working for free)

      OP doesn't have to be early. His boss obviously doesn't want him working early (otherwise he'd be rostered earlier). You're supposed to work your shift, not when you want to work.

      • ausmechkeyboards on 25/06/2018 - 11:18

        OP doesn't have to be early

        No he doesn't, but he is, and he's working for free during that time.

        His boss obviously doesn't want him working early (otherwise he'd be rostered earlier)

        Life doesn't work that way.

        You're supposed to work your shift, not when you want to work

        What do you do for work? Just curious.

  • WreckTangle on 24/06/2018 - 08:50
    +18

    Was your family member really annoyed they had to wait for you for 5 minutes so they could get back to their chores!? I’ve spent hours of my life waiting for my kids, if you offer to pick some one up from work or school you cant expect them to walk out at exactly finish time, every time.

    • onetwothreefour on 24/06/2018 - 09:31
      +8

      This. I can't believe that someone would be that annoyed to wait 5 minutes for someone to finish work. If this is a parent it would explain a lot about the OP's attitude.

    • TheBilly on 24/06/2018 - 09:58
      +2

      Totally agree. The issue here isnt the lateness or the boss, but it is the family member.I bet that family member would spend more than 5 minutes a day listening to music, watching TV or listening to the radio.

  • Hedgehog on 24/06/2018 - 08:53
    +2

    Why would you even ask this? Surely if you had any sort of conscience or integrity you would do this willingly after all it was you that stuffed up…..

    Perhaps work is too much for you and gets in the way of other delights in life?

    • TheBilly on 24/06/2018 - 10:01

      Probably a little bit harsh, op is obviously young and facing the pressure on 2 opposite fronts that have absolutely no give and is looking for a way to deal with this as a result. Good lesson for op, alot better than the young turds I come across in my industry that just get good paying graduate jobs via their parents or family and havent placed an ounce of effort into anything beforehand.

      • JimmyF on 24/06/2018 - 11:34
        +4

        and facing the pressure on 2 opposite

        What sort of family member has a breakdown for waiting 5 mins……… Oh yes now I see where the OP gets it from.

        • TheBilly on 24/06/2018 - 22:37

          Lol Im not defending, just trying to be impartial. Takes me an hour and a half to get home from work, 5 minutes doesnt register on my scale.

  • Ocker on 24/06/2018 - 10:05
    +1

    Typifies the attitude of the "privileged" youth of today - all take and no give.

    • JimmyF on 24/06/2018 - 11:34

      thats why they have been called the snowflake generation

    • puckman on 26/06/2018 - 11:32

      Oh yeah? Younger generations work progressively more hours than older generations, with stagnating salaries. But they're privileged. Younger generations are having to clean up environment that older generations had no respect for. But they're privileged. Younger generations have no hope of buying property that all the baby boomers bought cheap, and now hoard. But they're privileged. Younger generations have bigger loans for worthless degrees that older generations got for free. But they're privileged. Younger generations are entering the workforce right after the worse economic collapse in almost 100 years (one that was caused by older generations). But they're privileged.

      There have always been rude people, lazy people, and those who don't feel the need to contribute to society. To act like this is a creation of the current "youth" is grossly misrepresenting the situation. Some things are better now, some are worse. Some people work more to get less, others work less to get more.

  • Micko179 on 24/06/2018 - 10:30

    Surely this 'said' family member would know you were late(assuming that's how you get there also) & would know you'll be a little late finishing?!

  • Melb69 on 24/06/2018 - 10:40

    You cant have it both ways. That is for the employer and employee. Employers will generally not pay you overtime or really appreciate you coming in early or staying late. In this case you should always put these extra hours on your time sheet. Then you can flag the unpaid hours. Just to show you are committed. Could be used for review to show you are dedicated and maybe ask for pay rise etc.

    If your late or leave early as an employee you cant expect the employer to be paying for the time you aren't working.

    I would have mentioned at the start of the day could I leave earlier today as I have been coming in early this week, just for today. Then get his/her confirmation ok. Despite coming in late today. This is why the time sheets proior is important to back up that you did come earlier previously.

    Its about communication.

    At the end of the day you as an employee are dispensable. Just do your best in whatever you can do. An employer will always have a reason to get rid of you whether its self inflicted or whatever reason they want to make of your performance. You might be the hardest worker compared to the other who is a slacker, but still get retrenched.

  • Zeferlin on 24/06/2018 - 11:02
    +2

    You've made a few previous posts, one was "What Am I in for if I Try to Make It as a Sole Trader". Do it! There won't be a clock as you will be entirely accountable for your hunger for work, performance and reliability. Good luck with that!

    • AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 16:57

      Actually side business is going okay. I plan to tax a flexible working arrangement if, god willing, I can find full time work so I can keep doing just a bit of side work. There has apparently been a big push for full-time workers to accept these kind of working arrangements, in SA anyway.

  • rowenaduncan on 24/06/2018 - 11:31

    Usually 4 minutes early? Is that all? I'll bet you're one of those people that scream at road workers, pedestrians and traffic lights?….

    • AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 16:58
      -4

      Well when I'm 15 minutes early I'll wait and read a book, 15 minutes unpaid would be a bit more egregious and less helping out because you are already there.

  • JimmyF on 24/06/2018 - 11:32
    +1

    Another snowflake generation (look it up) about to get melted by the real world……

    You had been late, yes its fair to make up the time at the other end of the shift for both sides. The other option is your docked pay, normally in 15 min blocks or you're not rostered on in the future if you can't show up on time. Which one do you like the best?

    Your poor ride having to wait an extra 5 mins to pick you up. They must have nearly died of boredom in the car. Maybe get them to arrive 5 mins past your shift end time in the future to save this near-death experience from happening again (or just show up on time!!)

    • baskinghobo on 24/06/2018 - 13:14

      I'm not trying to defend op but it's hard to have a neutral perspective on small things when companies have mastered the art of screwing workers over every possible angle.

      • JimmyF on 24/06/2018 - 13:22
        +1

        Well you are defending them.

        The OP was 5 mins late to work. Its as simple as that. If they want to be paid for say their 4 hr shift, then they need to work 4 hrs. So that now means staying 'back' 5 mins. But really its not staying back as such, the OP was LATE to work.

        So it really was doing the work block they are being paid for ie 4 hrs of work. Not 3hrs and 55 mins.

        While you say, have give and take. In these young shift work people, its all give and no take. Clearly, the OP is a taker for complaining about staying 5 mins extra once (which wasn't really extra, as they had been late). For it to be extra they would have had to arrive on time!

        • baskinghobo on 24/06/2018 - 13:26
          +1

          If I was defending him I would say what he is doing is right, which I clearly am not. I'm saying young workers have a right to be sceptical, even to the point of paranoia at some of the crap employers pull when employers have figured out ways to squeeze the penny out of every possible angle you can imagine. That doesn't mean IN THIS INSTANCE he is right but that there is a good reason for these types of mindset.

  • hakkenuh on 24/06/2018 - 12:16
    +3

    stayed back 5 minutes…. wtf are you seriously complaining? at my work I often have to stay back an hour or 2 unpaid if I work slowly during my shift, and that's after me having to wake up at 3am to get to work at 4am. If you complained about staying back 5 minutes at my work you'd be out of there the next day and rightly so. It's better you learn it now rather than later - WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. If you want any hope of suceeding in life you're going to have to put in the hard yards, including staying back at work. While it may seem unrealistic at just a fast food store, better to learn this now rather than getting a shock when your boss asks you to stay back until 9pm and eat dinner at the office and/or lunch. Honestly mate, while there are laws to protect people at work, it's definitely not for people like you. It's not the managers fault your family member had to wait for you, it's your own fault and you should be apologising to your family member for arriving to work late and resulting in you having to stay back. The manager only did what was fair. And are you seriously bragging about getting to work 4 minutes early? the minimum should be 10 to prevent cases like this, for example traffic etc, even if you are 10 minutes late in that case, at least you get to work still on time.

    • hakkenuh on 24/06/2018 - 12:18

      P.S before I started, my manager fired 6 people from my department for being too slow. There is nothing to stop him firing you for turning up to work 5 minutes late - especially because youre a casual.

    • AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 16:54

      If I were being paid a salary as well, then yes I understand that comes with a salary. But you're working two extra hours on any given day unpaid as a casual, then that's much more than just five or ten minutes unpaid. You should talk to someone from Fairwork about your unpaid hours. If not for you, then to help out the next guy who is asked to work hours per week unpaid.

      • hakkenuh on 24/06/2018 - 17:42
        +3

        you know what hard work results in? a promotion to 2iC. Yes, while I don't plan this to be my long term career, I'm now getting paid more. If you want to go by in life just doing the bare minimum or less, sure go ahead, but don't complain when you get fired.

        • AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 17:47

          believe me, I do not put in the bare minimum or less. I frequently hear "I've never seen that machine cleaned so thoroughly", or "I've never seen them made so fast'. And it's not that I think any future employer will hear about all the extra effort, it's just that (for me anyway) if something is worth doing it's worth doing right. I don't want to go through the motions of sanitising a surface, I want the surface to be sanitised thoroughly so it's clean for the next lot of food to pass over it. No one notices or cares about most work being done properly because everyone is quite young and why should they care about doing it properly, but when they do they usually point out how well it's been done. It's not even professional pride, it's just if there's a task to be done then you should do it right, even if you're the only one around who is even thinking about what the task is trying to achieve.

        • HighAndDry on 25/06/2018 - 10:26
          +3

          @AustriaBargain:

          believe me, I do not put in the bare minimum or less.

          I mean… this whole post is about how you object to staying behind to make up for the time you missed because you were late. You're literally asking to work less than the minimum.

    • TheBilly on 24/06/2018 - 22:42
      +1

      My work hours are literally "8.00am to 5.00pm or the hours necessary to complete all project duties". Im just lucky nobody watches when I come or go, but I think thats beneficial to the employer because sometimes I dont go :(

    • ozbjunkie on 25/06/2018 - 05:16
      +2

      Nah unless you can finish early because you've done your work for the day, and till get paid for all the hours, I reckon unpaid overtime is BS.

      Reinforcing the status quo as you are does no worker any favours, as it's easy to say well it's only half an hour, then only an hour, and seems here you are saying hey it's only 2 hours some days welcome to the real world.

      Yes, the real world where your contract is only respected if you are the one disadvantaged, or otherwise the contract is worded in such a way to leave you little power or autonomy.

      Full time work is already excessive, and shorter hours would increase productivity (both per hour and globally). Might also help with underemployment. At least based on my reading.

      Tldr it's only 2 hours overtime - that's just the midpoint of a slippery slope. Unpaid work is not ok.

  • Sofie519 on 24/06/2018 - 12:24
    -1

    TBH if u walk in my office at 9am and walk out the door at 5pm, you won't last probation…

    • Daabido on 24/06/2018 - 16:07
      +2

      I assume the ellipsis means "because of course the Board of Directors is under indictment and will be serving time"?

    • sillyguy on 24/06/2018 - 16:33
      +3

      Your office is not a good place to work then. Ever heard of work smarter not harder?

      • Sofie519 on 24/06/2018 - 17:49
        -1

        Work smarter not harder is precisely why I am smart enough not to employ someone without basic work ethics.

        Lol, from the dawn if time .. from when I used to work for others til now… 9to5 means I get to work before 9am to start work at 9am. And I don't start packing up before 5pm so I can walk out the door at 5pm.

        This is the real world. We all come in just before start time and start packing after end time. Basic work ethics imo. That is what I meant.

        As far as I know all my staff r happy and productive. I see when my staff goes the extra mile, and sometimes I do ask them to help out with urgent matters even if it meant after hours. Thats where staff lunches , Christmas bonus, tea, coffee n snacks, gifts when I go away etc are just part of the norm as incentives. If once in a while they need to leave early, or arrive late, I don't dock their pay .. they let me know why and it's legitimate and not regular I wouldn't even be bothered with the data entry.

        But someone with OP's attitude who thinks arriving 4mins before work is a worthy mention and the boss asking him to stay 5mins because he was 5mins late, is unjust and worthy of a complaint… Sorry, that's the type of staff that bickers in the lunchroom and stirs trouble IMO.

        • sillyguy on 24/06/2018 - 18:46

          I got ur point. However it sounds like you’ve been clocking everyone’s hours.

          I don’t do that. As far as I’m concerned if the results are good, deadlines are met then people can walk in or walk out the office anytime they want, or even work from home.

    • AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 16:52

      Your office doesn't offer flexi time?

    • ausmechkeyboards on 25/06/2018 - 08:55

      Your office being a sales floor of an radiator wholesaler or something equally as useless right?

  • Cartman2530 on 24/06/2018 - 12:24

    Depending on how your pay is worked out they could dock you 15 minutes for being 5 mins late. That's how the pay is worked out at my work, in 15 minute increments.

    Next time, don't be late, staying back 5 mins is nothing.

    • [Deactivated] on 24/06/2018 - 22:27

      There is no reason for them to be rounding your clock in/out times. You should be paid for every minute you work. If you clock in 5 mins late then that is the time you are paid from, if you finish 5 minutes late then you are paid for that extra 5 minutes.

      • Soluble on 25/06/2018 - 10:45

        Our system round 7 minutes late back and 8 minutes late up. So 12:07 is 12, 12:08 is 12:15. A FT/PT who is 8 minutes late can lose 15 mins of Annual leave without a nice manager!

      • Cartman2530 on 25/06/2018 - 15:47

        @seano2101: Not disputing that, thats just the way for some places to ensure you aren't late. Our place has as 3 minute grace period on starting time, so if you start at 6.03 you will be fine, 6.04 and you lose pay from 6.00 to 6.15.

        Its easy to be on time, regardless.

  • djmm on 24/06/2018 - 12:32
    +2

    Keep having that attitude OP, you'll be casual fast food employee til you're 50.

  • Randxyz123 on 24/06/2018 - 12:32

    I'm guessing you're 18 or 19?

    Here are a few tips…

    1. Get your license or get your own way to work. Unless you work in a dodgy neighborhood and finish at 2 am, use public transport or just drive yourself. That way you won't be inconveniencing someone over 5 minutes even though for anyone normal that wouldn't matter.

    2. If you are concerned about making someone wait for 5 minutes then you need to wake up. Even more importantly in the real world of non-fast food places where you do shift work, staying overtime to get s*** done is normal.

    3. If you continue to wonder in 5 minutes late you will get fired. If you are 5 minutes late and he asks you to do a couple of extra tasks and you complain, you WILL be fired and your next post will be "Fired for being late and manager complaining I have a bad attitude".

  • gummibear on 24/06/2018 - 12:36

    I'm more suprised people can't handle waiting 5 mins to pick someone up. Unless they are paying for parking by the second.

    • AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 16:50

      It's more that it's turning into a habit, like I'm being counted on week after week to stay an extra five or so minutes during shift changeover, because if everyone stopped and started at the same time then it leaves customers hanging. Probably the shifts should overlap by 30 minutes so there's enough time for people to take over each other's roles properly. Start work a few minutes early and then shift end comes and as I'm packing up I'm told "there's customers waiting, you can't go". Which is fair enough from what I've been told here, he has the right to do that and the only option is to quit if you aren't happy with it.

      • o53djz7qTPY4der on 24/06/2018 - 18:01
        +2

        The issue is a case of chicken and the egg.

        You were late to your shift. Therefore, the person prior to you had to stay on.

        I feel more sorry for whoever has to cover for you whilst you are late than for the person picking you up.

        I agree that waiting for someone is annoying. This is, however, your fault, not your boss's.

        Get a watch. Be on time. This will no longer be an issue.

  • Sage on 24/06/2018 - 12:47
    +3

    People here seem to be missing OP said they have been expected to stay overtime on several occasions and only 1 of those times they were late. It's not directly related to being late for work.

    Anyway everything has already been established in above comments.
    They can terminate your employment if they simply don't like you. It sounds like staying back for a few minutes every now and then is normal for the position. So the solution is either to find somewhere else to work or my suggestion would be to get the family member to come 10 or 15 minutes after the end of the shift instead of assuming you'll be out the door straight away.
    Can't place the burden on everyone else.

    • baskinghobo on 24/06/2018 - 13:11
      -1

      Or lie and say you need to pick someone up. You need to play the game aggressively even if it's ethically wrong sometimes because if everyone else is doing the same then you will always get the short end.

  • p1 ama on 24/06/2018 - 13:01

    This is going to sound really mean, but I think you need an attitude fix.

    I have a feeling the boss forced me to stay longer and forced my ride to sit in their car twiddling their thumbs to prove a point, but I'm just wondering is it legal to fire an employee for not staying beyond their rostered time even if they were late to that shift?

    It's a moot point anyway, because 1) it's perfectly legal to fire someone for not turning up on time, 2) they don't have to fire you, just not give you any more shifts. Either way, you should take some responsibility - you were late in the first place, don't be late and there's no problems.

    Wouldn't normally care, but this isn't the first time I've been expected to work a few minutes longer than rostered time while my ride sits in the car wishing I would be let out on time so they can keep doing the rest of their chores, but this is the first time I've been a few minutes late.

    If you or your ride have an issue with a few minutes here or there, I think you both have issues that you need to sort out.

    It's just the being forced to stay longer than the rostered time that I'm wondering about.

    Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

    I have not seen that in this kind of job before, usually the clock out time is the rostered clock out time, unless the manager asks you nicely if you wouldn't mind staying a bit longer this shift with my permission. I'd just like to do whatever Fairwork says we should be doing, instead of wondering whether the boss is going to be grumpy today and demand some extra work.

    Your responsibility to turn up on time. Why should the boss be "wondering whether the employee is going to be late today and do less work", by your own words.

    Also I'm not too bothered about the 40 cents per minute or whatever. I'm applying for full time work that matches my studies, so a bit of unpaid minimum wage work here and there won't exactly alter my longterm career plans and savings much.

    If you have that attitude, then you're not happy in your job, you don't really respect what you're doing and your workplace and you don't even need the work, so quit. Why are you working there?

    • AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 16:44
      -1

      I guess technically I wasn't forced to stay, but it didn't sound like a question when it was said. The answer is friends with the manager, I want to see him succeed and enjoy helping him do his job.

      • pegaxs on 25/06/2018 - 08:04

        So, to help your awesome boss out and assist them on their road to success, you come in when you feel like it and bitch and moan when told to make up for lost time.

        If you really wanted to see them succeed, you would be in early and leaving late.

    • puckman on 26/06/2018 - 12:02

      1) it's perfectly legal to fire someone for not turning up on time,

      No, it's not, unless you have given multiple warnings.

      2) they don't have to fire you, just not give you any more shifts.

      Likewise - this might happen a lot, but it's generally not legal.

  • baskinghobo on 24/06/2018 - 13:06

    Don't mean to hijack this thread but say you start work 5mins early (8:55) and finish 5 mins early (02:55). Can the company round up your starting time to your roster time (9:00) but not change your finish time (2:55) saving them 5mins of pay?

    • AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 17:39

      From the sounds of it the only thing that matters is the rostered time. The boss could absolutely expect you to stay until 3, and he wouldn't be obliged to thank you for the free five minutes you put in at 8:55.

      • HighAndDry on 25/06/2018 - 10:57

        Of course not. He's not the one asking you to come in 5 minutes early.

  • Neptunesblood on 24/06/2018 - 13:13
    +3

    Everyone is expendable

    • sillyguy on 24/06/2018 - 16:30
      -1

      Er no… I am not a grammar Nazi but “expendable” is not correct in the employment context.

      • D C on 24/06/2018 - 17:11

        employment context

        You've not heard of 'Human Resources' I take it?

        Expendable is perfectly cromulent in HR-speak.

        • sillyguy on 24/06/2018 - 18:50

          Yeah go to HR and ask them if they think people are expendable and post your update here.

        • D C on 24/06/2018 - 21:17

          @kaitok:
          Resources are always expendable, otherwise what's the point of having them?

          go to HR and ask them if they think people are expendable

          Lol.

          What part of this: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/expendable do you disagree with?

      • [Deactivated] on 24/06/2018 - 18:26

        I think he meant that anyone can get fat. Or is that the other expandable?

        In certain industries, either way they are fired.

      • HighAndDry on 25/06/2018 - 10:57

        You're apparently also not a spelling Nazi.

        • D C on 25/06/2018 - 11:23

          Maybe he's just a regular Nazi trying new things.

  • drfuzzy on 24/06/2018 - 13:14
    +3

    One of two things will change - your attitude to work or your employment status.

    • sillyguy on 24/06/2018 - 16:31

      Actually both of them will change, but in a chronological order, employment status first then attitude to work…

  • HeWhoKnows on 24/06/2018 - 13:28

    OP is a casual employee paid by the hour.
    In reality that translates to being paid for the exact time worked.
    In terms of the roster, if you are rostered on for 4 hours then you work 4 hours. very simple!
    So if OP is late he either works the extra time or has time docked from his pay.

    Its quite different when you are on a weekly wage or salary.

    Conclusion
    OP is being unreasonable to expect to be paid for time they did not work.
    Maybe OP should also try to ask to be paid and extra 15 mins which he did not work and see how he goes….right out the door !

    • AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 16:42
      -1

      It isn't the pay really. To avoid the inconvenience for my ride I would have waived half an hour's pay, it still would cost me less than an Uber. And I always work more than the time I am paid for, I've never in my life asked to be paid for time I have not worked.

      • lostn on 24/06/2018 - 18:59

        Get a car. Leave on your own terms.

  • mbck on 24/06/2018 - 13:59
    +1

    Guys op is too good for this job, obviously. It's just a stepping stone. He'll be fine in his 'proper' job.

    • AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 16:38

      Well I mean there's nothing wrong with fast food work, and I'd only been late once before after a rostering mix up. But I studied two degrees over four years and I intend to earn enough to pay back those degrees. Nothing I studied covered hospitality though. I basically studied four years to be something like an actuary, so no fast food isn't the "proper" fit for my studies, to use your word there. But I'm happy to earn any income and help the store make more money any way that I can.

      • lostn on 24/06/2018 - 18:58
        +2

        Yeah let's hope none of these degree jobs will require more than a minute more of your time past 5PM, or clients and travel don't hold you up. And if you don't finish what you're expected to do due to unexpected delays, your boss is fine with you leaving things not done, and walking out in the middle of a task or consultation because it's "home time".

        • AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 19:03
          -3

          As long as they follow the law, their own policies, and the signed agreement, then it’s all gravy.

      • tezza on 25/06/2018 - 20:06

        You'd be surprised how much you are learning from this job to make you a better person. In your "proper" job, you are still going to be dealing with people who are time poor, expect things at all hours. Call it life experiences.

  • Briefcase Mong on 24/06/2018 - 14:39

    Maccas or KFC ?

    • Scrooge McDuck on 24/06/2018 - 16:09

      My guess is Domino's or Pizza Hut.

      • Antikythera on 25/06/2018 - 11:45

        not sure why the down vote. OP talked about washing the prawns in the hand basin so pizza franchise is the obvious answer

  • Serenixia on 24/06/2018 - 14:41

    Wow this guy for real? Rock up on time as you are suppose to and all will be fine and dandy.

    Suck it up princess.

    • AustriaBargain on 24/06/2018 - 17:37
      -6

      Believe me, I'll be starting and finishing on the dot from now on. Unfortunately the boss might feel robbed of the extra work I used to put in and have feelings about that lost productivity anyway. But we should all be playing by the rules within reason, like pros.

      • [Deactivated] on 24/06/2018 - 18:51
        +4

        You're an idiot. Just leave if you don't want to play by the rules.

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