Talk Me out of Buying a Dual Cab Ute

I am mainly a city driver, recently sold my large Aussie sedan and now considering buying a dual cab 4wd ute. Not specific on which dual cab ute yet but i have been toying with the idea for a few months now. There are a few things a Ute would be useful for.

Advantages are towing, the GF has a jetski which we tow to the central coast. She also wants to take me on a road trip to the NT this winter and we are towing a trailer up to Darwin for her family, some off road is also planned. We were originally going to do this in her Subaru but it was recently written off due to flood damage. I'm feeling some pressure to find something soon because at this very point in time we both do not have cars and public transport with groceries has become a chore. I also dive so a ute would be much better to put the wet gear in the tub, garden waste disposal is a bonus, we both ski and snowboard so might make the journey easier and safer with 4wd if there is good snowfall this season. Extra range sounds nice too. I also drive to the Goldcoast often to visit family.

The disadvantages I think would be parking and general driving around Sydney, i live in the east so i tend to park on the street sometimes. It was already difficult finding large enough street parking for the sedan, even harder with a longer ute. General Handing will be different sitting so high up plenty of small roundabouts near me i suppose i could just drive over them instead of going around, acceleration might take a while to get use to not having any.

So please ozbargain. Talk me into, talk me out of. Make some recommendations.

TLDR - sold car and now without a car, do lots of outdoor activities with junk in trunk, thinking about ute

EDIT: Further discussions with the missus whilst test driving potential vehicles. If we get a 4wd of some sort then we will also accompany her friends into the Kimberleys. I have read its not a necessity to have a 4wd but it makes the journey much easier and gives us the ability to access serious off-road tracks. She is comfortable driving large 4wds, I come to realise it must be an integral skill having grown up in the Top end unlike myself who grew up in Sydney

Poll Options

  • 39
    Real men drive Utes
  • 21
    Utes are impractical
  • 8
    Keep commuting on Sydney's world class public transport system
  • 24
    High Yield AMG
  • 4
    Get a work from home job

Comments

  • +5

    I own a Ute, twin cab Navara. It is handy, but pretty big to drive around town. They are less comfortable on the highway unless you are carting a decent load because they are designed to carry said load and the springs are stronger because of it. It doesn’t corner as well as a smaller car, but you learn to drive it accordingly.

    Carparks aren’t fun, usually have a pretty big turning circle. Takin a load of groceries home in the tub isn’t ideal. I have a tonneau cover and it leaks a bit in the rain which can be a problem. It is also less secure than something that is lockable. I do prefer the flexibility of the soft cover though when carting larger items (bikes in particular).

    Back seats are generally not comfortable for adults for a long trip, they are smaller than the equivalent wagon size.

    4wding is fun, but not enough time to enjoy it.

    Contrary to popular belief you can tow with smaller cars. Unless you are gettig a massive caravan you could tow with a Forester or similar quote wasily.

    Having said that we also have a wagon for the family so the beat of both worlds.

    • Maybe I'll have to consider something that is a wagon type 4wd, I could still put the gear in the back and also tow comfortably. The gf had a subaru and it towed very well but the consumption used to increase considerably and the trailer used to have its way with it. I think she will likely consider another subaru with the insurance payout.

      • +2

        Maybe I'll have to consider something that is a wagon type 4wd, I could still put the gear in the back and also tow comfortably

        Do this ^ The problem with utes is securing whatever you have in the tray, in an urban environment there are way to many opportunities for randoms to just reach in the back and take whatever they want. Sure you can get a canopy but then you might as well have just got a 4wd Wagon instead…

        • +2

          LOL, real men don't drive 4WD utes, real men drive full size 4WD wagons. People buy 4WD utes cause they think they are cool, but in reality they are commercial vehicles that are generally uncomfortable for those in the back. 4WD wagons are designed more as a family car. I drive a landcruiser and live in the inner city, drive it once a week so parking normally isn't a huge hassle

        • After driving the pajero sport and everest wagons I think I am starting to sway more towards this option. Even though based on their ute siblings the handling and dynamics was better for city driving. I can visualise having a fridge or esky in the back and a tub with my scuba gear in the back.

  • +9

    Have you driven a ute around much in your time?

    Ride quality is generally pretty poor - suspension at the back is sprung for a load to taken in the back. If you are driving around with it empty most of the time, you bounce around like a ragdoll.

    • I've been driving a various vehicles at work, a navara ute, triton and a hilux are some examples. The Navara is comfortable and the hilux and triton definitely bounce around everywhere even when driving over small corrugations on the road.

  • +1

    Have a new Triton and love it. Not anymore annoying in a Carpark than a commodore. I use it to tow a trailer occasionally, put the dogs in the canopy, light 4wd and road trips. Love the thing to be honest but if done a few select mods to suit me.

    • The triton i noticed is good value. It is certainly something to consider if I head down this path. Is it comfortable for lets say a long road trip about 3 days on a long stretch of road?

      • +1

        I don't mind my seats but a lot of people hate them, including my wife. Have made a couple of mods, mainly a nice thick sheepskin seat cover for her.

  • +2

    Don't buy a dual cab ute. There, done.

    • whys that?

      • No leg room for a start

      • They handle like a boat, are noisier then a sedan and cost more to travel on toll roads (in Vic at least).

        • -2

          Woah Jimbo, harsh much! Give the All-New Amarok a go. With up to six 4x4 modes and a possible 31 driver and safety assistance systems i’d love to change your mind. #BornFromToughLove

          Alan_Volkswagen

  • +9

    Personally I wouldnt. Do you really need a ute to go diving? Like you cant pack a BCD, a wetsuit, a regulator and maybe a tank in hatchback?

    The way these things are marketed (utes and SUVs) they make you think that this is going to be some huge lifestyle boost, you're going to be climbing mountains every weekend and playing tennis and your wife will have bigger breasts and so on. Yeah pigs arse you are. You're just going to be commuting and taking home the shopping and trying to justify to yourself that you need a ute to bring home a bottle of milk and a dozen eggs.

    • I do miss my car. I did have problems getting everything in the car though especially if a couple mates join me, Esky, extra gear. It is something I enjoy doing every weekend. Was hoping a ute could solve all my problems

    • +1

      How are you going to tow a jetski or trailer of pack snowboards securely in a hatchback?

      • -1

        Hatchback aren’t designed to tow.

        • +3

          Why do they have a tow rating and make tow bars for them then?

          I don't imagine a jetski would exceed what many hatchbacks can tow.

        • -4

          @Euphemistic:

          Why do they have a tow rating and make tow bars for them then?

          Vehicle manufacturers wants to sell vehicles. They may advertise that a corolla may have a 1300kg tow rating, but nobody in their right mind would purchase one for the purpose of towing. A hilux, lc150 or a lc200 is designed for it and the logical option.

        • @whooah1979: I'd be surprised if a jetski and trailer went over 300kg. There is no reason a corolla couldn't tow that, or a box trailer with a lawnmower and whipper snippper etc. If a corolla suits your purpose 95% of the time and can happily tow what you want why would you buy a massive 4wd? Besides that, there are a range of vehicles between hatchback and full sized ute/4wd that may meet the needs of someone who wants to tow a light load.

        • @Euphemistic:

          We’ve a number of vehicles that are in different segments and are used based on our requirements. We sold our hatchback awhile back because it no longer fit our needs.

          Op is looking for recommendations for a Ute that suit their purpose. A hatchback no matter how convenient it may be isn’t what op is after.

  • +1

    Buy the ute, you have listed adequate reasons.
    Move house.

  • +3

    Mate, don't do it.

    There, I tried.

  • +1

    can't get laid with utes bro!

    • but the sandman..

      • was not a ute

        • There were Sandman utes.

  • +3

    A ute without a canopy is not secure not weather tight. A ute with a canopy is much harder to use as a ute; eg for garden waste or moving furniture. Even with a canopy dust is a real problem. Removing canopies is a pain.

    The turning circle on most utes is really bad. The visibility is normally crap too.

    Look at wagons like an Outback or a Pajero if you want more off road ability.

    Utes have their place but you sound like you can meet your needs with a roof rack and a rented trailer occasionally

    • +1

      Unless you get the tango lid which clips off with minimal effort.

  • Dual Cab Navara here… Best decision I ever made in my life. Satisfies all my outdoor hobbies, carts children, Ive taken it 4wding alot, goes shops, moved house 2 times with just the ute, tows, back seats fold up and down, 750km per tank city driving (manual), cheapest dual cab at the time (2013), easy to diy service. Only negative, I bought mine on runout and had no choice so I bought without rear camera.

  • op, you can't go pass a 4x4 hilux. a hi-rider with a bull bar, rear bar/step tow bar combo and reversing camera should make parking in sydney easy.

    • Hirider is code for 2wd though?

      • You’re right.

    • Is there a ute that parks itself like the new commodore?

      • why do you need apa? parallel park is a basic driving manoeuvre required to pass the driving test.

        • +3

          I want to put both hands up and wave to the pedestrians walking by

        • +1

          It is useful for when you need to fold your arms in anger and park at McDonald's drive-through while waiting for a coffee.

  • I flood damaged my Subaru too in 2016

    • the storm of 2016 was the worst i experienced. Did the subaru get written off or did you have to get it fixed?

      • Mine was taken out in Hahndorf in dec16
        I kept driving to kangaroo island etc, the next day as it still worked

        Eventually I took it in on feb17 and it never came back out. they wrote it off

  • +1

    Look up "broken chassis in utes" on google and hit the images button. :-(
    Some of the major players have also had serious problems with failing motors and transmissions.
    Do your research ….

  • +2

    Back seats are too hard

  • "especially if a couple mates join me, Esky, extra gear."

    If you are looking to cart your mates around free of charge buy a dual cab ute just so you can fit all of them and their gear in LOL

    Otherwise, buy the car, as in wagon, hatch or suv you and your G/F want, to suit your needs. Be sure to test drive every possible candidate thoroughly. For your needs a 2 min trip around the block is not enough.

    Sounds like money isn't an issue so narrow down the field, then hire the main choice from some rental car mob and go away for a weekend with all the gear and if it's comfortable buy it

    Oh and get a diesel with a snorkel so g/f can play boats and not stuff it up

    • +1

      lol she needs a snorkel, SS Subaru did not survive her maiden voyage. I'm test driving 2 utes and a wagon tomorrow, the new triton and pajero sport and a ranger and maybe an everest but the everest is out of budget so its not critical to try it.

      • With Ford just been fined 10 million for being crap, maybe you can beat the Ford dealer on the head with that for bigger discounts?

  • -2

    I missed the requirement for back seats in the OP.

    But as 4WD is needed, consider a low mileage Crewman Cross6/8. Slightly longer(?) than the Commy though.

  • Why not the wagon version of the utes, e.g. Mitsi Pajero Sport, Toyota Fortuner, Isuzu MU-X etc. It's the best of both worlds. Just use a big tub for your wet stuff.

    • They're all hideous and have a solid rear axle, a bit of a poor design choice for light duty wagons. A Pajero is a much better choice.

      • Get your axles crossed up when 4wding and see the solid axle shine over independent. Then again lockers or other traction control rules over them

        • +1

          Nobody is taking any of those properly off road though.

    • Some of the recommendations here have made me consider a 4wd wagon as well. There seems to many based on their ute sibling

  • +1

    If I had to have one vehicle, it would be a 4wd dual cab ute.

    versatility. it's the swiss army knife of cars.

    we bought our 2000 Rodeo V6 4wd in late 2000 (had 6500km on it). Still have it now and will not part with it.

    pros;
    simple - it is a basic vehicle, so easy to work on. no need for a jack to do oil changes either.
    ute - more convenient than a trailer (load size dependent). stopping for random items on road side is convenient, chuck it in the back.
    parking - piss easy to reverse park due to near rectangular tub shape, you can easily see the corners front and rear.
    engine - V6 gives similar power to weight as mid 90's v6 commodore, won't win a lot of drags but ample. sounds glorious at 4000rpm too.
    4wd - used infrequently but thoroughly enjoyable when needed. also comes in handy for towing on dirt, sand etc.
    wet weather driving - soooo much fun with skinny tyres and no weight out the back

    cons;
    back seat - flatter with less leg room than a traditional large wagon, but OK in comparison to say a forester.
    comfort - yep, can be a bit harsh due to rear leaf springs
    cornering - it does have a large degree of sway, but it is predictable and you get comfortable with it. do you regularly drive thru the windy hills roads? if so it could be an issue.
    fuel - maybe a little thirsty - I get 12l/100km, wife gets 15 on shorter runs. Our V8 VY wagon gets similar numbers…… a combination of brick like aero and high revs at 100km/h (3000rpm)

    .

    • Think you convinced me there

  • Just do it!
    The best decision you will ever make!
    Love my Hilux 💖

  • You live in the city , you'll have to push it to keep up with traffic, so get a turbo and forget about the low fuel use figures.
    Cost wise including fuel you'll be better off with two suburu's.

    • One of our vehicles is a 3l d4d. We normally get 500kms of urban driving between refuels. A 2.8l d4d may be more fuel efficient.

    • modern utes can easily keep up with traffic.

  • We have a Subaru Outback and prefer that for our uses over a dual cab ute.
    It is much more comfortable, is better to drive / park, and has pretty much all the safety bells and whistles. The AWD will get you to most places.
    For a load, the back is huge (particularly with the back seats down) and flat. We put a generic rubber mat (Supercheap Auto) in the back and that protects the carpet, and can be pulled out to clean of any sand / dirt etc. No reason why you couldn't take a load of garden waste to the tip in it. And the built in roof-racks are very handy, always there and ready to use in minutes.

    • Yes, but would you transport a jet-ski in it?

      • The back is huge with the seats down.

      • No, but OP mentions that they tow the jetski. I'm pretty sure that could be done.

        • Sure, you could tow it. Advantage of a ute is you don't have to!
          Sell the trailer, save rego money.

        • OK, I'm intrigued.
          So you sold your jetski trailer, and now have a jetski sitting on the driveway or in your garage or whatever.
          Is there any easy way to get the jetski into your ute?
          Similarly, assuming you got it into the ute, you drive to the beach / river / lake or wherever, pull up in your ute and now have to get the jetski out of the ute into the water. Do you back your ute into the sea, or is there another way to do this?

          Just asking.

        • Something like this.

          My experience is with bikes, so ramps were the ticket. There should be more watercraft loading solutions out there.

          With trailer in the urban environment OP described, you need somewhere to park that. If your property is large enough, no problem.

          I still believe the Crewman fits OP criteria best as:
          1. Like a Commodore he previously owned.
          2. Dual cab interior.
          3. Better steering, handling and engine performance than a commercial style ute.
          4. More comfortable and refined than a ladder-frame chassis vehicle.
          5. Available as AWD with V6 or V8 engines
          6. Choose to tow or chuck it in the tray bed.

          Cons? Kinda thirsty. It's a Holden (neg away). Good luck finding a low km example.

        • @Speckled Jim: Just to clarify, based on a very quick Google comparison:

          • A Kawasaki 2018 Jet Ski Ultra 310LX apparently weighs 487kg (full full tank, tool kit, and all fluids at optimum levels)
          • A Yamaha YZ450F motocross bike has a 'wet weight' of 111kg
        • Good thing those ramps have rollers then! A small winch might also be good and/or a second person to help. I imagine ratchet straps would be used to secure the load; a slower budget solution for loading/unloading perhaps.

          Having briefly reviewed the second-hand market, I've been reminded the Crewman ceased production ~2007 anyway. There's very few AWD variants under 200,000km. They look considerably longer than the sedan too.
          No easier to park then.

        • @Speckled Jim: I think you are onto something. Towing a trailer in suburbia can be difficult especially reversing it up a driveway with oncoming traffic and parked vehicles on both sides of the street. I have seen tinnies on top of 4wd roof racks, i assume there must be a mechanism to get them off.

        • @Speckled Jim: The HSV avalanche looks like a beast but is older then the car i just sold so I might give it a miss.

      • +1

        It can easily tow a caravan let alone a jet ski. Even a small hatchback with towbar fitted could tow a jetski on a trailer.

        • If you're replying to me, I'll draw your attention to this:

          in it?

          I didn't question the towing ability of an Outback.

          I DO question the wisdom of towing anything with a small hatchback, as that small hatchback will be FWD. Load the rear and your steering and braking are compromised.
          Ask me how I know!

        • +1

          2008 Hyundai gets
          Can tow jet ski, campervan
          And box trailer.

          Still gets 7 l /100km towing

        • That's a risk you assume, it's not for everyone.

          If I absolutely had to tow with a hatchback, it would be one that's available with a factory tow-pack option or recommended mod(s) to suspension, steering and brakes to compensate for the weight transfer. It would also be a diesel [cough] of at least 1.6l.
          I hate myself for writing that, but it's hypothetical.

          Driving on a wet road towing with a Getz? Not safe.

  • +4

    Don't buy a dual cab ute.

    • +2

      Now that's a useful post

      • +1

        Yeah, totally +1

  • "Look up "broken chassis in utes" on google and hit the images button. :-(
    Some of the major players have also had serious problems with failing motors and transmissions.
    Do your research …."

    If you do proper research you will find "broken chassis in utes" were caused by over loading. Almost every major player has had problems with "failing motors and transmissions", Toyota had massive injector problems in Hilux and Prado diesels causing motor failure. Nissan Patrols had motors virtually exploding. Jeep…well they just caught fire. Mitsubishi had timing chains snapping and destroying the motor in late model Pajeros. Ford has just been fined $10,000,000 for the fiasco with a gearbox problem and ordered to refund or replace 10,500 cars. Holden had big trouble with oil usage in their V8 Commodores. The list is endless

    Yes the utes bounce around a bit particularly the back. Yes the dual cab can be a bugger to park in the street. Yes the back seat is squeezy for adults. There are 10,000s on the road.

    Having had 4X4s since 1988 including two dual cab utes, I loved them. Now have a SWB Pajero purchased new and now has over 300,000ks on it. Still bounces. The back seat is squeezy for adults. Parks easily.

    Don't believe the "official" towing capacity. It is total BS. There is a lot more to it than the listed towing capacity.

  • Given you are not very experienced in the motor department with knowledge or first hand time driving a 'ute', try this. Hire each different model you can find, for a week end each, tow your ski, camp away, drive a gravel road, get wet and climb over a few gutters - there are limits when you hire 4x4s.

    I drove, towed, dived and traveled the country and all thru the NT, in a 2wd wagon. Even hit Double Island Point in a old Falcon, so don't write of 'normal' cars with a boot liner bag to do everything you say as well.

    Then because you are not not listing any serious 'ute' or '4x4' or work use, but more as a shopping cart daily driver with some side trips for now, go buy a smaller one in the colour you like as any basic 4x4, ute and or duel cab will satisfy your described needs.

    In a few years, maybe you will be bitten by the bug and want to buy a serious vehicle that truly suits your needs/wants with a heap more knowledge. Then the real fun begins.

    • embarrassing as it sounds the missus has much much offroad driving experience then me. I think she will end up being the primary driver of what ever 4wd i get whether it is a ute or a wagon until she works out herself what car she will get next.

  • Are you serious man? I'm never going back to a regular car. Having a 4x4 dual cab ute is the best! Most practical vehicle you can own I reckon.
    Buy it.

  • How about the Merc X-class?

    • The Navara with lipstick, fishnets and heels?

    • +1

      is there an amg version?

  • Buy it . They are awesome vehicles.

  • Just get a Nissan xtrail

  • I recently bought a ford ranger dual cab 4x4. I will never go back to a sedan until i'm old and it's self driving my drunk ass everywhere.

    • I test drove one of these today, the 3.2litre model and it had all sorts of LCD screens and could hauls well for its size especially in comparison to the 2.4 triton which does not have much in the way of gadgets and power however a lot cheaper which may afford me accessories.

      • Yeah the XLT has a bunch of gadgets which i didnt want so went with an XLS which was roughly 10K cheaper.

  • The 3.6 outback seems to be specifically designed to meet your requirements. And it’s way more comfortable and quieter

    • Can the back be hosed down after a day at the beach or after carrying a 1/2 cbm of soil?

  • I'd try a used Ute.
    Often a 2wd dual cab can be purchased
    Cheap used and do most of what you want.
    New Utes are so dear for what they are.
    50k plus

  • +1

    The Hilux is popular because it is virtually indestructible. Here is an article by Newsweek about how it is the vehicle of choice by rebel groups.

    "“It’s the vehicular equivalent of the AK-47. It’s ubiquitous to insurgent warfare. And actually, recently, also counterinsurgent warfare. It kicks the hell out of the Humvee.”

  • Suspension, handling and fuel economy will be worse in a dual cab ute. CTP insurance is also more as I think it falls under a different category.

    Main advantage is having the tray, but they compromise on many other areas.

    Just make your decision based on what you actually will be using your car for. you will have to make certain compromises as no car has it all.

    maybe also start off secondhand if you do go for a ute.

  • Another attention seeking post.

    • +1

      And with a 50” light bar, lift kit and big wheels you too can seek attention while you are carting a load of posts home in your ute.

  • -1

    How long is your mullet mate

    • I dont but I do have a couple wifebeaters in the wardrobe

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