Does Anyone Miss The Days of Made in Japan Electronics?

To quote a famous line:
Doc - No wonder this circuit failed, it says 'Made in Japan'
Marty - Whadaya mean, Doc? All the best stuff is Made in Japan

I grew up in an average household in your run of the mill average developing country. I recall in the early 80’s my father bought a Hitachi colour TV, shortly after a National top loader VCR. I recall the VCR was worked fine until the late-90’s, and was retired due to lack of tapes and popularity of VCDs, not a fault. I got my first Walkman in 1985, a Sony WM-22. Sad as it sounds, my best friend, till it’s rubbers gave way around 1997 (I wasn’t too techy at the time, else would have surely repaired it). All this stuff was Made in Japan.

When I started earning for myself in the late nineties and moved out and started buying my stuff the transition away from Japan to other Asian plants had begun. Bought a Sony TV paired with a Panasonic VCR, both assembled outside Japan, lasted 3-4 years max. Rinsed and repeated a few times over the years… Was fortunate to bag a 2nd hand Made in Japan Sony HiFi FH-B7CD in the late-90’s, still works perfectly to this day. Even survived a trip in a suitcase when I migrated down under…

Most of the stuff I buy these days always seem to have a life expectancy of 3-4 years max, if lucky. Although I try to (as sanely possible) seek Made in Japan stuff, my last success was a Panasonic Plasma VT55 series TV back in 2011, touchwood still going strong.

  • Would you pay a bit extra to get a Made in Japan item, like the glory days of the 80’s to early 2000’s?
  • Or is it a lost hope?
  • Or will Japanese companies someday realise if they could (profitably) manufacture in Japan again, people might buy their stuff with added zeal?

Interested to hear some opinions…

Comments

  • +6

    The real problem is stuff is built to a price point, rather than to last. Once a country becomes too expensive to manufacture in companies head to the next country that really doesn't give a stuff about their people or the environment. I try to buy quality so it lasts a while, but you can always get a lemon and because, even the expensive stuff, tends to have a short warranty you are stuffed when it goes belly up.

    In Myer at Chadstone, near the electrical section, there is a wall that shows the price of goods when Chaddy was first opened. The price of a TV was absolutely horrendous, compared to other goods. Now it might cost you a couple of weeks, maybe a months, wage.

    I studied Brave New World in High School;

    "Ending is better than mending. The more stitches, the less riches."
    A government slogan encouraging people to throw away old possessions and buy new ones, thus theoretically keeping the global economy strong.

    Very few people get electrical items repaired nowdays, it just does not make economic sense. Even if something does last it is replaced with later versions of the technology. Everything adds up to a great pile of ewaste.

    • +1

      "Ending is better than mending. The more stitches, the less riches."
      A government slogan encouraging people to throw away old possessions and buy new ones, thus theoretically keeping the global economy strong.

      A fact of life these days, and unfortunately, a macroeconomics truth.

      In the same way the Roman Empire was only able to be stable and prosperous while it expanded, so our ENTIRE global economy is sustained by (pun not intended) sustained growth, which is in-turn largely driven by consumer demand, which is encouraged by the planned/fast obsolescence of today's products.

      And it's not even an objectively good or bad thing: Consider that our increases in standard of living, and the increases in standards of living across the globe, even the poorest and least well off, are all because of this macroeconomic truth.

      • +2

        The trouble is the earth is a finite resource. We just cannot keep plundering it and leaving our rubbish everywhere. There are islands of rubbish in the oceans and more and more sea animals have plastic in their digestive tracts. An increase in standards of living does not mean we need the latest piece of technology it means we have enough to eat, shelter over our heads and heating. Paradoxically whilst we have cheaper techology the price of housing, food and heating is becoming a much bigger slice of the weekly budget.

        • Paradoxically whilst we have cheaper techology the price of housing, food and heating is becoming a much bigger slice of the weekly budget.

          I don't see this as being paradoxical at all - increased standards of living don't come completely free, though for different reasons for housing and other expenses.

          Housing is a function of demand, mostly. Costs of housing go up because, fittingly, everyone is richer and so can afford to pay more for housing, and are willing to pay more for better housing - and housing is really a finite supply.

          Regarding all other costs, while we have better technology, more advanced technology still costs more to produce - a couple of people banging out parts in a sweatshop is cheaper, irrespective of time period/tech level, than precision machined parts made by trained engineers and/or robotics. And further, the rare earth metals required for all our new shiny tech cost far more to mine and process than bog standard iron and steel too, even on an inflation-adjusted basis.

          We live better these days, we pay more for the privilege.

        • -3

          I don't think its as finite as people theorize.
          Oil, gold, iron, cows and chickens….plenty will last till the day of judgement.
          We hardly even explore our lands let alone our oceans.

        • -1

          @Strand0410:
          Earth is not a finite resource, just appears that way…nothing is running out.

        • @doodlebug: you realise that we're not making more fossil fuels, right? That we're sculling coal and petroleum that took this planet millions of years to bank up? Or that we're digging up metals that largely won't be reclaimed and repurposed? Which part of this reads like fiction to you?

        • -3

          @Strand0410:

          reminds me of when i was back in primary school and we were told that we are cutting down so many trees that all the rainforests will be gone in 10 years.

          Anyway, the planet is pretty big, the ocean is pretty big. if you rekon we are sculling coal and petrol then well…..whatever. You need to take a step back and think about all the places we are digging, and compare it to the size of where we live. anyway….whatever.

        • @doodlebug: The rainforests are being cut but trees can be replanted, and they are. They also don't take millions of years to become utilisable like some resources, it's right there in the name: fossil fuels.

          Earth is NOT an infinitely large planet. Why do you think oil fields are drying up while we're branching into deep sea rigs or fracking? We've picked all the low hanging fruit and hunting for new fuel sources, but if you think those are limitless too, you're delusional.

          …whatever

          Why didn't you just start with this? It perfectly sums up your attitude and knowledge on the subject.

        • -1
        • @Strand0410: as the scarcity increases all sorts of interesting things happen. The price rises. This makes previously unprofitable sources of fossil fuels viable, supply stabilises. Previous sources of energy that seemed unviable become competitive, and price makes them incentivised to reduce their price against each type of competitor.

          You are better off thinking of it as an energy market rather than separate markets for fossil fuels, nukes or renewables.

          Where things go pear shaped is when governments start interfering. And then entrepreneurs start subsidy farming rather than maximising energy production efficiency (see AGL hypocrites).

    • +1

      I still remember the days of getting the eu de cologne and handkerchief to clean the VCR head myself…

    • case 1
      A found a $200 ADSL modem/wifi box someone threw in the bin. Broken?
      No, firmware zapped it self, so it wouldnt boot.
      But you could still coldboot-flash it and it works.

      case 2
      PS4 fan stops working due to dust. Online cost $10, local repair shop, $90, replacement, $350+.

      Many dead electrical items are caused by blown caps, or volt regulators, $2 fix.

  • +1

    If you visit Akihabara in Tokyo you will find most electrical shops will sell two identical TV's side-by-side. One made in Japan and one made in (for example) Malaysia. The one made in Japan is the best selling model.

    • Thanks! Off-topic, but I have jotted down to walk by Akihabara when I visit Japan, love their stuff but never been there…

    • +1

      Japanese buy their own stuff of course. In fact I came across several items that the staff refused to sell to foreigners. It was a Japanese model ‘for Japanese use only’.

      • Can you give some examples of those "japanese use only" items?

        • Japan has a weird power system, generally 100v but 50Hz on one side and 60Hz on the other.

          Causes grief with things like alarm clocks which rely on the line frequency for timing (most do). If you move house your clock might start running slow or fast.

          Not only do you have Japan-only, but West-only & East-only.

          Shouldn't matter much these days as most electronics can handle 85v-260v at any frequency, but something with a motor that's designed for 100v @ 50Hz may not fare too well in other countries. (USA is close at 110V, but runs at 60Hz.)

          These some other weirdness about getting high-power stuff like hairdryers to run at 200v, but I can't remember what the details are.

        • +1

          @D C: I was actually referring to the items that the staff refused to sell to foreigners..

        • +1

          @leiiv: There might be good reasons not to sell it.

          Or simply a "we don't sell to the likes of you" attitude that exists everywhere.

        • +1

          @D C: Oii! Stop the press'!!
          Are you hinting that time travel may be possible when moving between certain areas in Japan?

        • +3

          @88mph: > time travel may be possible

          Sure, so long as you stay in the little bubble you create.

          What mains-powered digital clocks do is count the cycles as the voltage flips between negative & positive.

          So in 50Hz land (like Oz) the clock sits and counts 50 'ticks' on the power line, and then adds a second. All well and good until you plug it into a 60Hz socket, it will still advance by a second at 50 ticks, but that's 10 ticks too early. In five seconds of real time the clock has counted 300 ticks (60hz x 5), but since it thinks 50 ticks makes up second has added 6 seconds to the clock.

          Let it run for 5 hours and the clock will be an hour fast. Get one for the office!

          Of course the reverse is true, a 60Hz clock plugged into a 50Hz socket will run slow.

          Some motors rely on the line frequency as well, so they may run too fast or slow. May or may not cause problems, certainly will if your clock is motor-driven (rare these days). eg microwave ovens will spin at either 5 RPM or 6 RPM depending on where you live. The exact same motor is used in all of them.

          I remember reading stories about US servicemen in post-war Japan who had a bit of a 'WTF' when they moved to a different base and their super-reliable clock was suddenly out.

          This 'tick-counting' is a pretty reliable method long-term, short-term can be a slightly wrong. Provided you've got the right clock.

          The actual frequency coming out of the wall in Oz isn't exactly 50Hz at all times (runs slow during high-load periods) so what the power companies do is increase the frequency overnight; so your clock may be a few ticks behind at bedtime, but correct again in the morning.

        • @D C: Hmph, you sure are a smart person. Thanks! No sarcasm intended.

          Learnt (another) new fact of life today. Who said Ozbargain is only for deals, the amount of facts I've picked up with this simple post.

        • @D C: wow super interesting thanks for that captain

        • Their reasoning was the ‘power is incompatible’ but the manual says ‘for use in Japan only’ or similar. There was several electronic items like a power waist belt thing (those stuff you’d find on infomercials to slim the waist) or a very large massage chair (~$5000 equivalent range).

          You can tell this is true because they’ll sell the basic model but not the premium models. But this was just some stores, other stores weren’t such anal about it. The person who refused was a brand specific ambassador working in the retailer.

  • if you want to do comparison of many non japanese electronics i dont think the difference is there

    eg. i have a fujitsu made in japan laptop and its probably a tad better build than say a made in china Lenovo X1 but its not super apparent

    i have a made in japan seiko watch, its not super better than say a lower end swiss brand like tissot

    if you want to go cars… I reckon they still have it. I'd take a Japanese car over say a Korean and even many Euros but thats probably my bias.

    • Interesting… Is the Fujitsu and Lenovo around the same manufacturing time/genre?

      I have a Casio (notice a trend? 😉) but wouldn't dream of comparing to a Swiss brand. They are super human, aren't they…

    • i have a made in japan seiko watch, its not super better than say a lower end swiss brand like tissot

      I feel like comparing Japanese watches with Swiss watches isn't on par with the other comparisons…

      • i kind of disagree

        'swiss watches' doesnt mean much when you can buy one for $75 aud

        in that regard, i'm pleasantly surprised when its good

        but generally i dont feel like i'm getting all that great a japanese watch for the same money

        • If it's Made in Switzerland, then yes, it absolutely does mean something - there's a reason the best watches still come out of that country, and there's no doubt that the expertise and experience that goes into making $15,000 watches would to some extent filter down even to the cheaper models.

        • @0blivion: I feel like you aren't comparing apples with apples when you compare a Seiko or a Casio with a high end Swiss watch. Maybe a comparison with something like a Grand Seiko or Credor will be fairer

        • Also I can say with absolute certainty that Swiss firms are just as guilty at cutting corners as the Japanese or Germans when it comes to making the more affordable watches

        • @0blivion:
          There was a post here about Swiss watches. A very interesting read.

          I won't link it but the summary is - Switzerland's law on country of manufacture is very loose. Many items parading as Swiss made or made in Switzerland are actually predominantly (if not entirely) made and assembled in China.

        • @tshow: No way! Of all things, I would've thought Swiss Watches would be strict about this - I mean, it's basically their most iconic export (other than the Vatican Guard? and Banking?), and the EU is generally very strict on geographical indications (e.g. Champagne, etc).

          Damn. Is nothing sacred?

        • +2

          @0blivion:
          Money is sacred.

          I take it you did some reading. If you're feeling depressed, don't dig further. You'll find that nothing is completely made in one place anymore and worse, intentional deception regarding origin is rife in every country.

        • @0blivion: a lot of the cheaper swiss made or made in switzerland watches are really chinese watches. swiss law only requires a percentage of a product to be assembled in their country or they only manufacture the body/housing while the actual watch is hong kong, now chinese made. this has been going on since the 70s.

        • @tveye:
          They are only required to show that the cost of the product is primarily incurred in Switzerland.

          This cost can be manipulated so R&D and marketing costs are bundled into production cost. The whole product can be manufactured and packed in China and shipped through Switzerland.

  • +1

    I miss the Made in Japan Game and Watch MIB smell of the 80s. They should bottle it.

    • I think the Chinese beat them to it? Recall some article or news clip a while back on 'canned polution-free air'?

  • +1

    Read 'The power to compete' by Hiroshi Makitani and son. They are the Leaders of Rakuten, the Japanese Amazon. they share great insight into how red tape, the galapogas effect of Japan and the rise of china is to blame for this problem.

    Living in Japan, my local peers Bawk at me for buying anything thats not made in Japan. and thanks to aliexpress, everything i get is made in China. we found my Toshiba TV, bought in Japan and Japanese company, is made in china. I dont know what or if people are getting paid in china, but im not paying any shipping, and im often under-cutting and finding things a much better price from the source. If you go to Nagasaki City of Fukuoka (or heaven forbid tokyo) its full of chinese tourists blasting cash buying japanese products that are likely made in china also. theres not much that remains.

    I think the olympics and the current tourism book to Japan is a great opportunity for new innovation from Japan, new technology, but when my designs and products hit the shelf, I have to think of my money and business and its going to be designed in japan, manufactured in China, and money kept in a hong kong bank.

    • Oops, sorry reply below.

  • Thanks for the insight, and I will read that book.

  • Japanese made TVs, speakers and cars.

    jizz in my pants

  • Not just electronics. I still get my G-Shock watches from Japan. And a VHS cassette player bought in the 90's still going strong

    • Do you still have VHS tapes that work, and fungus free? Serious question, not being sarcastic.

      • Few of them, yes. Some managed to survive. Used to take few to the video shop to have them cleaned years ago

        • Good on you.

      • +1

        yes, some. I dont have a VHS player but at work in a cupboard we have one that can record 168 hours on a 3 hour tape.

        • 😱

          I've heard of SP, LP, SLP (tape speeds on PAL), but this is nuts, more like SSSSSSSSSLP

        • You must be viewing about five slow moving pixels per second at that rate….

        • +2

          @88mph:
          It was a pro model, super expensive for the day ( I think $5000) used in studios etc.
          we used it to monitor video errors.

    • I think there's only one made in Japan g-shock watch. All the other are made in China, designed in Japan.

  • +4

    Planned obsolescence.

    It's nothing but that.

  • components are intentionally made to be have limited life span.

    If we could still access components from electric stores like Dick Smith use to and Tandy's.. we could fix them by watching you tube

    From wht I read Dell Monnitors have a 3yaer life span, with the capacitor usually blowing. From what I had read easily replaceable.. getting the part was the issue… was also shocked that no one sold soldering irons anymore

    • What??? Nothing like the waft of burning lead to clear a blocked nose… I miss those components too, BTW.

    • Go to jay car or RS they still have all the component, soldering irons etc that you'll ever need.

      • sad, in the past the now dead companies salesperson would refer you to another company for things they didnt have.

        No chance of that these days

  • +1

    Not just Japan. Things back then use to be over engineered.
    Now days its all about low costs and size.

    • +2

      I recall I used to get mesmerised watching the loading mechanism once front loading VHS VCRs were introduced… With the hood off of course.
      Overengineered, yes, but mini modern marvels to see the synced ballet between mechanics and electronics. If you like, follow 'Techmoan' on YouTube, cool channel.

  • Made in Taiwan. Those were the days.

    • I only recall toys being made in Taiwan, but maybe other stuff never made it to where I lived…

      • +2

        The majority of computer hardware companies are Taiwanese (Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, Asrock, Gskill, etc). Most computer parts are still made there - Intel CPUs, AMD/Nvidia GPUs (the processor chip at least, most GPUs are probably assembled in china now), RAM and storage. Of course, if you buy a laptop or premade PC all that stuff gets shipped to China to be assembled.

  • +1

    you would like this guy https://www.youtube.com/user/Techmoan

    great vids of old, mostly, Japanese tech from 80s 80s, some he buys new still in the box and works straight away.

    good viewing.

    • Lol, I already do, thanks. Just recommended him to chanleystan 33min ago

      • +1

        ah, sorry, didnt read all the comments.

        • Hey no probs, appreciate the thought. I subscribe to user 'databits' too, not as good as Techmoan, but alright.

          If you follow any others like Techmoan, please share…

  • +1

    Whats really a pain is that even if you appreciate quality, and prepared to pay the extra 20-30% for it, because of how the market works and economies of scale it's rarely possible. In the days when there was only three choices, cheap rubbish, decent or flashy expensive, everyone gravitated towards the middle so it brought the costs down for everyone. Decent was the middle point.

    Now we have more options, but with more options comes more flavors of crap, and most people can't tell the difference so they choose based on price. So we end up with the middle point falling down to 'almost good enough', what was decent is now the 'premium' option which goes for 2-3x the almost good enough (making it a hard choice between buying quality or getting the almost good enough and replacing it as needed for the same price) and flashy expensive has gone I don't know where to. Custom order I imagine. Short term gain, long term pain

  • +1

    My Sony Xperia Z2 has lasted for ages and is still going great. All of our families Sony products have been great

    • I like Sony, one big disappointment… Sony laptop…. its beena nightmare

    • Yep, my Xperia Z1 is still holding up pretty well too

      Sony FTW!

    • +1

      Sony is hit and miss these days.
      I was happy with their top of the range laptop and A6000 camera, but some of there phones are slightly lag behind to competition.
      But base model laptop had hinge issues, didn't last long.
      Some of their point and shoot cameras wasn't that great in early days, my DSC-HX50 was a dud, which was made in japan, lol.

      • Yeah I think their new phones lag behind the others, they need a bezeless display. But my Z2 is top notch and was a great price when I got it.

  • +3

    We use to say 'Jap junk' in the 80's. Now I look for Made in Japan!

    • +2

      I would of thought 'Jap Crap' would of sounded better since it rhymes lol

  • I doubt we'll ever go back.The temptation to use borderline slave labour to maximise profits is too strong.

    I think in some products you will see certain components still made in places like Japan. Capacitors in PC powers supplies, as someone else mentioned, and Denso parts for automotive applications spring to mind.

    The best you can do is review as much as you can before you buy and get something that doesn't have known problems. If a forum has a 50 page long thread about some specific problem in the widget you are thinking about buying then it is probably worth considering skipping it or at least preparing yourself for a confusing and almost incomprehensible conversation with a service rep in a foreign call centre at some point.

  • I do and I don’t - I remember a kid we had this glass screen CRT with wooden sides that would refuse to break. We had it for almost 20 years, us kids would turn it on and off when the parents weren’t home in hope to break it. We were so behind in terms of TVs!

    It’d be great if there was a sustainable way to manage our old tech, but of course everything is more expensive than throwing it out

  • You can still buy Made in Japan Fenders (guitars), although they are limited in how many they can export out of Japan. Great guitars!

    • My son has one I think. It maybe a Japanese version of a Brian May 'Red Special'!

  • +2

    Also the time when some Philips items were still Made In Holland.

    The problem with "Made in Japan" electricals or electronics today is they can be merely assembled in Japan with all parts coming out of Chinese or SE Asian factories.

    • I recall some of the first Wide-screen 32" CRTVs I saw were Phillips, made in Holland.

      As for your second point, as long as the stringent quality control standards and dedication to long term quality is maintained… but rare chance of that happening in the real world.

  • Consumers want good quality products that last, but the corporations and governments have other ideas.

    Yet another case where supposed environmentalists (the term is "watermelons", green on the outside, red on the inside) turn a blind eye, while they focus on finding new ways to transfer industry from the western world (including Japan?) to Asia.

    • +1

      Consumers want good quality products that last

      Consumers might SAY they want this, but the majority of them do not vote the same way with their wallets. "Built to last" also costs more. People are fairly price-sensitive (see OzB).

    • Is Japan no longer in Asia?

  • Manufacturing in a high-wage country will not make a comeback due to perception of quality. It will take a lot of tax restructuring and political will (LOL) to do so.

    Manufacturing in Japan may increase the gross manufacturing cost by ~10-20%. Whilst you and I can appreciate that workers in Japan are treated better, tighter QC, marginally better fit and finish, the majority will not. If a product line doesn't have a high enough turnover, the retail cost goes up because cost of tooling, training and marketing remain the same.

    So, if a premium product sells well, then the manufacturing cost trickles down to retail cost proportionally. If the product becomes a niche, the retail cost will be vastly disproportionate.

    • I would gladly pay 20% more for a Made in Japan version. Did that in 2011, when I bought my last tv.

      • +1

        Assembled in Japan maybe.

        Panels are made in mega mass production and sold to companies to assemble.

        My last Made in Japan TV was horrible. It stopped working after I dropped something large on it x.x

        • Lol, I'll try to remember that, and keep the sledgehammer as far away.

          I do believe it was fully made in Japan, did a fair bit of research back then, though it was the possibly the last batch Panasonic made in Japan, plasmas died a sudden death around 2012ish.

        • @88mph:

          As far as I know, all TV size LED panels are coming out of China now.

          LG still holds the crown but I hope we see some real competition coming year.

          Interestingly, I find that a lot of made in China items that proudly display their origin (ie. Nitecore, DJI, Xiaomi) are often better than their Japanese, USA, German competitors.

          I suppose quality is where you find it. If you're a fisherman or enjoy in depth reviews (with engineering and manufacturing knowledge), read www.alanhawk.com

          He only speaks of a small segment of fishing products but the sheer quality of his reviews are second to none. If only car and phone reviews are anywhere near as comprehensive.

  • +2

    The ROLAND TR-808 !!!!!!!!!!!

  • My panasonic Plasma TV in made in Japan :)

    • VT series?

      • Model TH-P54S10A
        55"

        dont know what VT series is lol

        • Yours is the S series :)
          Mine TH-P55VT30A

  • +1

    I Still have the SONIQ made in japan TV. none of the new TVs in same price range matches that product.

    • +1

      hmmm My old 42" analoge Sonic Plasma (that still works) is made in China and just wont die probably 15 years old…

      • I want to buy a new one but at the same time this one never had any issues. Will wait for it to die before I get a new one :)

  • Fishing reels made in Japan, specifically from SHIMANO. They still last decades. Have some Shimano, FX4000A bought in KMart ot BigW, attached to one of my fishing rods, and they still work perfectly fine. Did not even service them once. So YES made in JAPAN still exists.

    • Good to know!
      Sadly I don't know how to fish…

      • +2

        Good. You just saved yourself 1000's of $$$.

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