"What's wrong with the NBN?" (ABC 4-Corners summary)

Link to video: http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/whats-wrong-with-the-nbn/9077…


From the start, Australia's National Broadband Network was billed as a game changer that would future proof the nation by delivering super fast internet services.

Almost a decade on from those promises, there's a growing number of angry residential customers and small businesses who are bitterly disappointed with the NBN.

"I am a very, very frustrated NBN customer… What I've got is a trench running halfway up the driveway and a piece of PVC pipe with a rope running through it - and that's all." Customer

On Monday night, as the NBN reaches a milestone, passing the half-way point in its rollout, Four Corners investigates the problems fuelling this dissatisfaction.

"Nobody knows what anybody else is doing. The retail service providers don't know what NBN Co is doing, I don't know what either of them are doing, and NBN Co don't seem to know what they themselves have done." Software developer

For many Australians, the NBN has turned out to be a lottery. Not all customers are receiving the same connections. And in some regional areas there is a stark digital divide, between those with high-speed fibre to the premises, and neighbours stuck with old copper connections who worry they're becoming digital second class citizens.

"On the left hand side as we're driving down this street, those houses can have access to fibre to the node. On the right hand side, they're fibre to the premises, so this is the digital divide." Former Mayor

We examine what's driving the decision making about the rollout, and investigate
why some customers are being short-changed on expensive data plans that fail to deliver what they promise."

"We definitely feel like we're being ripped off." Customer

As critics warn that Australia will soon be a decade behind its near neighbour New Zealand in the digital transformation, reporter Geoff Thompson visits New Zealand's 'Gigatown', Dunedin, to look at how superfast broadband is transforming the way they do business. Back in Australia, the government insists the NBN is going to plan and will be steadily upgraded.

"The NBN will be fit for purpose. It will support the needs that Australians have. But no network, no technology, is ever set in stone. There are always upgrades." Communications Minister

In interviews with the Communications Minister and the current and former heads of NBN Co. we examine whether a decade of politicking has compromised the ability of the NBN to deliver for all Australians.

"I just feel incredibly disappointed that an opportunity to build a first class network that would set Australia up for the future was squandered, and squandered for the wrong reasons." Former NBN executive

Comments

  • should read "what's right about the nbn?

  • +2

    NBN was a great project, but should have been completed in something like 5 years max and tech constantly reviewed to make sure its up to date. ANY tech project given a 10-15 year implementation deadline will be obsolete half way through.

    Now we have 5G on the horizon few years from now which will be capable of 10Gbits real world speeds wirelessly and new form of fibre optics with petabit speed.

    In the end my opinion is government should stay away from tech projects and instead act as a motivator by removing regulations, inviting competition and opening markets then automatically private entities will develop infrastructure themselves

  • Quick read over their Corporate Plan 2018-2021
    https://www1.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco2/documents/Corpo…

    Seems like there will be newer technology that will enable 10Gbps whether you are on FTTP/FTTN/B/C/HFC .

    If that's the case I'm not too worried.

    However do feel that wireless should've be the way to go - that's with benefit of the hind-sight though.

    • 10gbps are "theoretical" speeds.
      Dependant on the length of copper to your property, and the amount of congestion. Which attribute to loss of speed when using copper. People on fiber won't feel this drop.

  • +5

    For all you wireless fans out there. I think fundamentally wireless will not be able provide the amount of data required by several hundred users at the same time. Think of a big fat loud mouth in room with several hundred people. You will not be able to hear anything over the big fat loud mouth.
    Torrenting and streaming 4K is the equilivant of the loud mouth.

    From what I've read recently about the 5G network is that
    1. It may be unsafe
    2. Wireless aerials will be mounted of telegraph poles, and there would be a lot of them. It would still have high costs due to the amount of them and they will need electricity to power them. It would also be a big project.
    3. Its not really practical for remote homes.

    I've been an I.T tech for the last 20 years and have for the last year rolled out FTTN.
    There has been lot said about the politics of it.
    I've got two points to make.
    I think FTTP is of course the best choice and would have been case of "Do it once and do it right" and would of in the long run cost the least.
    However if everything was FTTP, I think the rollout would have been much much longer. It only takes about 30 minutes to connect someone from a ADSL to VDSL connection assuming everything else has been done.

    Theres two reasons for the poor performance.
    1. The ISP's are not purchsing enough bandwith from NBN to cover customer usage. I havent seen these stats as I'm not privy to them. This problem will show up around 3pm when school kids come home and start saturating the ISP backbone links
    2. The copper network sucks. The maximum cable run from residence to pillar to node should be 1.1km. The closer you are to the Pillar the better.

    When Labor had its policy of FTTP. Telstra did not bother repairing the copper network properly and let it degrade with the reasoning why bother repairing it when it will be gone soon.

    The copper network was designed to carry a different frequency than the high frequency of ADSL and VDSL, the insulation and cable twist rate of the copper was not designed for it. It is a legacy technology and a remenant of the Alexander Bell world.

    The contractors installing the NBN get paid per job. So its in their interest to do the job as quickly as possible as opposed to salaried position which would I believe give a better quality jobs.

    The NBN and Telstra are in a way in competition with each other. They seem to not communicate to each other leaving the contractor very little information to go when installing a service. No Cable Details, No contact name, No contact Number, No Telephone no that the NBN would impact.

    I can appreciate that installing 20 million services is a daunting project undertaking. It certainly could have been done better.

  • +1

    Just so everyone knows .. this is the most important fact about the NBN the liberals lie about and don’t want anyone to know

    The fibre to the node network CAN NOT BE UPGRADED TO FIBER TO THE HOME

    IT will need to be 100% replaced .. wasting all that time and effort. Every single NODE and fibre connected to it needs to be replaced.

    Fibre running to the nodes from the base is a few 1GBPS lines. Not even 5% enough cabling to connect people to 1gbps fibre each… but just enough for a bunch of houses to run 12-50mbps connections. with bottlenecks when on peak usage and if everyone goes 100MPS connections

    Lies the liberals spout every time they are asked. ( they say it can be upgraded ) but it cant.

    NBN charge $600 for quotes to anyone wanting to pay for fibre on demand
    ( they connect your house to fibre if you request it at a cost to you)

    They are quoting around $20,000 to $70,000 to install that fibre to their home because they need to run it all the way back from the base. bypassing the node even if its sitting outside the front of your house!.

    Liberals have don’t some massive cost cutting to the nodes to save money on buying extra fibre cables .. they need that money to buy NEW copper from overseas …What this means is that they are 100% unable to upgrade them in the future.. fibre will need to be laid from scratch from the base like the NBN node never existed LOL..

    They need to start from scratch when they upgrade the NBN to pure fibre in the future and this is going to cost the same amount as what Labors NBN would have cost in the first place. but with no cost benefit of the existing network infrastructure. ( MIND BLOWN!! WOW , they planed this for sure ) no way would they have done this without knowing if wasn't able to be upgraded.. they want to keep all Australians stuck on VDSL 100MBPS for the next 50 years.. while the rest of the world moves to 10,000GBPS Fibre. Liberal scum bags.

    And this is not a IF its going to be upgraded.. This is going to be a WHEN its upgraded. This is FACT.. in the future we will need 10GBPS and we will need fibre.\

    NBN charges almost $150,000 to upgrade slower, copper broadband connections to fibre
    http://www.themercury.com.au/news/national/nbn-charges-almos…

    Cables running to each node are completely utterly insufficient for future fiber home connections.. its even not enough for everyone to go 100/40 VDSL connections.

    Malcolm Turnbull keeps talking about a fibre backbone is the network he is building.. its more like a fiber roll of toilet paper its so thin and useless.

    • in the future we will need 10GBPS and we will need fibre

      While great to have, I doubt that most people would NEED it.

      http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/nbn-complain…

      But it would suck for those that do.

      • 640K ought to be enough [ram] for anyone. cited in InfoWorld 1990.

        Our ability to determine what is needed in the future is limited by our lack of ability to imagine what is possible.

        That said I can already see applications in the bleeding edge of IT that could work with 10GBPS right now especially in remote collaboration and learning and can imagine society relying on some of these cooler innovations to counteract the problem with population expansion. Therefore saying we would not need it isn't a good bet right now.

        Fibre infrastructure, if done right, apparently doesn't have a theoretical life span as I understand it. The pros of getting at least the "physical" bit right now (e.g. quality cables in conduit run by training people) against the cons of causing further disruptions going forward by trying to cut corners seems like a clear decision to me. (if you ignore political agenda)

        • The NBN is available to 6.2 million Australian premises but only 3 million of those have migrated to an NBN plan, according to the ACCC.

          Of course it would be great if everyone could have 10GBPS; but even now, only half the people that can have the nbn have actually bothered to sign up for it.

          Certain areas are able to have 400mbps now and I think up to 1Gbps. Inconvenient, but is possible, if you really need it.

          Fibre infrastructure, if done right, apparently doesn't have a theoretical life span as I understand it.

          No idea, and it would be great if they built the best infrastructure possible, but resources aren't unlimited. I don't think anyone took Labor's nbn estimated costs seriously.

  • I believe Notoriously Bad Network sums it up well enough :)

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