Hi, looking to find a CPU + Motherboard combo for roughly $250 dollars, looking to get the most bang for buck performance for gaming. Will be playing CPU intensive games like Arma 3 and Grand Theft Auto V, thanks.
$250 CPU + Motherboard Combo
SimpleRoger on 15/09/2017 - 23:39
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How does that compare to the newest i5 and i3, also what about the pentium?
But you can Overclock the Ryzen 1200
Here whats the Ryzen 1300x (same as the 1200 just higher clocked) is compared to the I3.
Ryzen 1300x vs I3 7100I5 and MB is more expensive than $250
Do you think it's worth going up to the i5, or do you think i should go down to a pentium?
@SimpleRoger: If you really want intel over Ryzen then wait till atleast october 5th https://www.extremetech.com/computing/255411-intel-coffee-la…
Coffee lake i3's will be 4core and i5's will be 6 core.
@SimpleRoger: In single core yes ofc but Intel will still get owned By Ryzen in Multicore.
The i7 8700k has been performace has been leaked https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/intel-i7-8700k-coffe…
$500 8700k barely beats a $260 Ryzen 1600 in multicore, there are 4 other am4 Ryzen cpu's ahead of the Ryzen 1600.
Basically
Intel If gaming is your number 1 priority
Ryzen everything else that doesn't require the highest single core performance.@Axelstrife: But don't games focus more on single core performance? Talking about large open word games.
@SimpleRoger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8K2yc11eC4&t=1s
Have a watch I7 7700k blows Ryzen away in single core performance so you would think I7 7700k would win pretty much every game you would be wrong.
Skip to 5:18 ryzen 1600 is 1 fps behind the 7700k for the first game shown keep watching.
Ryzen 1600 $260 AUD comes with cooler doesn't need high cost Motherboard to OC (the first one i linked you can OC)
I7 7700k $436 AUD no cooler needs z170/z270 to OCDo they include fan?
@Axelstrife: Do you think I should buy an old it 3570k as it rivals ryzen 5 in gaming, and is also very cheap.
@Axelstrife: I can get one for 150 ish but then you need a motherboard, in gaming benchmarks I think i5 destorys ryzen 3
@SimpleRoger: That's too expensive. Maybe half that price. Also motherboards that allows you to overclock that i5 are expensive too.
@demiurge: But still it's around the same price in total, i can just get a cheap motherboard, and i'll have the same performance on games as ryzen 5.
@SimpleRoger: Dont think of ryzen as a competitor for gaming it's not.
Ryzen's more about everything else like streaming and encoding. which it's higher core count beats Intels.That CPU is still too expensive i was expecting a MB to come with that CPU for that price since you said it was cheap.
@Axelstrife: Is a Ryzen 1500x with an AsRock AB350M for $280 a good deal or Ryzen 1500x used for $200 worth it? Is the AB350M good for overclocking?
@SimpleRoger: Yes $280 is a good deal for both the CPU and MB
very good actuly even with this ebay 20% off $280 is still $75 cheaper.Sorry for late response been installing my New Ryzen 1700 CPU and Motherboard.
@Axelstrife: Do you know what I should look for in a good motherboard for overclocking. ALSO what features should I look out for in a mono?
@SimpleRoger: Sorry no idea whcih specific MB is best but it's most likely an x370 board those and more expensive though all over $200
As for features it's dependant on what you want.
ATX fits only Mid tower and full tower case's, Micro ATX fits all of those plus the smaller micro ATX cases's.ATX has more card slots since it's larger.
If you know you will need more than 4 sata 3 ports then you would want a MB with 6 or 8
Overall the Asrock i have has everything i need and it easily worth it for $116
@Axelstrife: Dude, how is the 1700 compared to 1600, I am thinking either 1600 or 1700x do you suggest?
Can I ask what Graphics Card you are using?
r9 280
Given the age and entry level state of the card, I think any current CPU mentioned above would have little to no impact on gaming outcome. I assume your existing CPU/mobo died hence the replacement? Otherwise I doubt you will see much change in performance given the GPU does the majority of the work
Nah i've got an fx6300 absolutely horrible
Whilst I agree it is terrible, I doubt you would see much of an increase in gaming performance.
Well this maybe relevant to what you are deciding on as your top choices are covered here. the youtuber jayz2cents (i know, i know… he has gotten all preachy and irritating in the past year or so) just released a video comparing some budget builds. most of the video focuses on the differences between the cpu's of intel and amd. Anyway have a look and see how the two line up I3 against the R3Vid.
My vote would be buy a motherboard that you can afford and sink as much money into a ryzen cpu as you can while the r3 range is much better than any thing in a similar price bracket from intel. If you can get into the lowest teir of the R5 range the cpu will be much stronger and last a much longer time (i think the R5 1400 retails around 225$ not a lot of room for a motherboard i know but if you could push your budget up a little it will make for a much stronger system overall).
On a side note. Remember all these new CPU's and motherboards use DDR4 ram now so check you do not need to buy new ram aswell.
Dang i forgot about the new ram, which would you choose for the best bang for the buck, i3 or ryzen or pentium.
I'd go for the ryzen. Its much cheaper than the intel choices gaming wise they are very similar, but over all performance and multi tasking the ryzen destroys all the intel options in this price bracket. As for the other question ram is meh, get a minimum of 8 gig recommend 16gig and corsair or gskill both are good choices the 2400mhz ram costs about the same as the 2133mhz. you can make the choice on ram just follow that little guide and you should be sweet.
i did some looking earlier and found the cheapest r5 1400 on the market is $212.50 from futu or shopping express ebay stores with the 20% off. so as i said earlier if you can find about a extra 50-75 in the budget for a much better stronger cpu the extra 4 threads do make it very much worth it, but if not then yes the ryzen R3 is the clear choice.
For gaming would there be a huge increase in performance from the ryzen 3 to ryzen 5? Thanks alot for all this information.
in terms of raw fps increase in games you would play for today to next year not to huge of a difference (less than 5% difference in normal games) the biggest difference comes in games that are cpu heavy like arma 3 or escape from tarkov. in games when the cpu starts aging a little say 2019-2020 the r5 will hold up better and be able to handle the games and gpu upgrades for longer.
the biggest difference would be when you run multiple things at a time such as a game and twitch/ video / chrome etc at the same time, or playing a game and your virus scanner starts doing some passes while you play. the r3 will slow down a little where as the r5 should be nearly unaffected. it will offer a larger window where the cpu stays relevant.
if you only play games like dota and csgo then you should just go with the cheapest because those things will run on a solar powered calculator. it all depends on what you intend to play and do exactly.
@Kiato: Do you think I should buy an old it 3570k as it rivals ryzen 5 in gaming, and is also very cheap.
The CPU is showing it's age and has been doing so for years now. I have a i7 from that generation in my old computer. It was struggling to keep up with games so I was forced to upgrade. While it is older and probably cheaper you won't be able to buy a motherboard for the CPU as they are nearly non existent now. So to answer your questions. Yes it will run games, but has no future to it so if you choose to upgrade in the future you cannot do it piece by piece you will need to replace the CPU motherboard and ram again.
CPU usage was getting close to the maximum output while playing games. At the time I was playing a lot of arma3, dayz and some other larger games on top of photoshop and video editing. so I was forced to upgrade my full system to a newer platform. That said my needs are different from yours without knowing what you play or intend to play it's hard to guess how it will preform for you.
@SimpleRoger:
Your r9 280 will be ok for those at 1080p for now but when prices come down some look st the 1060/1070 or maybe vega 56 range.All the gpus I suggested are inflated in price at the moment. Vega because it's new and the others because of mining. So best to wait if you can.
@SimpleRoger: ryzen r3 1200 if you cannot extend the budget at all. Ryzen r5 1400 if you can extend the budget a little. But as I said I do thouroughly recommend really trying to extend the budget by that 75 or so $
@Kiato: Can you give the best value Ryzen 5 mobo ram combo. Not sure which Ryzen 5 to get, but I just want the best price to performance, I don't really care about anything for the mobo except for being to get a good overclock.
@SimpleRoger: ram just grab some 2400 MHz ram and it will do fine. 8 gig is the minimum and should be around 80-90$ and 16 gig is recommended at about 160-170$. But in terms of ram you can buy a single 8 gig stick now and then get a second stick at a later date when you have the money. Corsair or gskill ram do good but in terms of budget ram I do find that gskill ram is more aesthetically appealing with the heatspreaders they use.
CPU wise the 1400 is the entry r5 and will do very well for you you wouldn't need to go beyond that for gaming. The 1600 model does add two more physical cores and more threads but that is a CPU that's getting closer towards the higher performing CPUs on the market. The choice would be yours on that subject as it's a budget one, both would preform admirabley for what you want just one is stronger than the other.
For motherboards I proffer Asus just due to reliability and support so I tend to feel spending a little more and trying to get one of their products is worth it. So I would say for your needs look at the Asus prime B350 plus this board comes in at about 130$. But if you want to get some thing a little less you can save some money here and get say asrock so long as it's in the 350 range you will be able to overclock.
Hope this helps.
@Kiato: Thanks alot, but some are saying that intel 2500k is better than ryzen 5, i might stick with it, as i can get it for much cheaper, and benchmarks are pretty similar.
@Kiato: Is a Ryzen 1500x with an AsRock AB350M for $280 a good deal or Ryzen 1500x used for $200 worth it? Is the AB350M good for overclocking?
g4560+h110+8gb or save up
How does this compare to ryzen 3?
things with ryzen 3 will be over $250, unless u can get the ram for free
Is the upgrade from Pentium to ryzen 3 or i3 major?
The ryzen platform is more future proof. If you went with a g4560, that motherboard will soon need to be replaced to fit the new coffee lake CPU's so you'll find yourself reaching into your pocket to buy another motherboard…
With AM4, you'll be ok going with a cheapass Ryzen 3 and then upgrading to a new Ryzen II CPU next year..
Purely from a bang-for-buck point of view though, you should buy an older Intel CPU (anything from the last 4 years) so starting with Ivy Bridge to Haswell, second hand from ebay will give you better or equivalent performance to Ryzen 3 processor at a slightly lower cost.
The upside of going second hand is that your DDR3 memory can still be used so you'll save a lot of $$$ not having to buy new expensive memory. 8GB of DDR4 memory sets you back a cool $80 to $90 dollars…
The downside is that you're buying old tech, and no warranty. Quad core desktop CPU's are also becoming dated (but that is not going to be a major concern if you're still gaming with a R9 280 and you can't spend too much on the CPU).
Would the old gpu bottleneck a newer graphics card, such as gta 1060?
"old gpu bottleneck a newer graphics card"
Did you mean "cpu??" nope. I know because I ran the GTX 1060 with the stock clocked 3570
and then upgraded to a Ryzen 5 CPU 1600x which is overclocked. After benchmarking, it was clear that the GTX 1060 was the bottleneck, so it's not the processor.
To really bottleneck the system I would have needed to actually run a game that's CPU bound, but there aren't many games that are CPU limited. Most are GPU bound.
Nothing to worry about. A 3570 can handle both games at 60FPS with no problems so long as you have the GPU to match. GTX 1060 (refresh version) is the min requirement for a solid 60FPS. Try not to get a video card with less than 4GB of VRAM.
ARMA3 is an old game and it's terrible at using multi-cores, so adding more cores into the equation doesn't benefit it. It likes to run on intel CPU's with strong per-core performance.
PubG is just giving very different results to people running different kinds of hardware. Some with 2500K and 970 running better than some people with Ryzen 5 and RX480… the game is just not optimised yet.
@scrimshaw: So for older games 2500k is better than ryzen 5, and ryzen 3, what about newer games like gta v.
GTA5 is not new. GTA5 released in 2013… that's an old game. RandomGaminginHD youtube channel plays this game on multiple types of CPU's including Haswell Core i5 and Pentium Anniversary Edition, and the game runs fine.
That game is GPU heavy.
Ryzen would give you simiar per-core performance to an Ivy Bridge CPU, and would beat the 2500k. So, if you had money to spend, you would buy a ryzen system and overclock it.
But if you are strapped on cash buy the old Core i5's and i7's. It would give you "close to" the performance of a Ryzen system but unfortunately not all Core i5's can be overclocked since you need the K unlocked models and certain motherboards.
All Ryzen CPU's across the board can be Oc'ed. You just need a B350 board to do it.
Go back to my first comment and think about whether you want a Ryzen or older Intel platform. As I said: got money to spend, buy Ryzen, but if you're tight, buy a second hand i5.
@scrimshaw: Is a Ryzen 1500x with an AsRock AB350M for $280 a good deal or Ryzen 1500x used for $200 worth it? Is the AB350M good for overclocking?
Well if you want pure cpu power then best bang for buck is X58 motherboard + 6-core xeon, and you can still use your old ram.
Not familiar with xeons and such how does this compare to a modern i3 or ryzen 3
Will absolutely crush i3 and ryzen 3 in terms of multi-threaded raw cpu power. 12 threads > 4. Single thread will be similar if you overclock them, and let's face it, you are not buying these old gears to run stock.
Wait so why doesn't everyone just buy these, instead of the new i3 and ryzen 3's?
@SimpleRoger: It's old tech with no upgrade path. Doesn't have new motherboard features, and will bottleneck the best graphic cards like 1080ti. But if you are on R9 280 that's not going to happen.
@demiurge: Do you think I should buy an old it 3570k as it rivals ryzen 5 in gaming, and is also very cheap.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AMD-Ryzen-3-1200-Processor-8-MB-C…
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Asrock-AB350M-Pro4-AMD-Ryzen-Sock…
$248 delivered.