Government wants you to pay an NBN tax of $7.10 for Fixed Line Internet

Your NBN plans might become slightly more expensive starting the next fiscal year.

Eagle-eyed readers of IT news today might have seen this in their newsfeed, but for those not in the know, here's the full deets.

The government is pushing to introduce a $7.10 minimum monthly broadband tax for fixed-line NBN users to pay for the future cost of the fixed wireless and satellite portions of the NBN.

It plans to both introduce and pass the regional broadband scheme (RBS) charge bill, alongside a package of telecommunications changes, in parliament's winter sitting, which wraps up on June 22.

The Communications department began consulting on the tax in December last year, and took industry submissions until February 3.

However, the result of the consultation has not been released, and at the time of publication was still listed as being “under review” despite the government’s intention to pass the tax law by mid-year.

Users of “superfast” fixed-line services will pay the tax, which starts at $7.10 a month. The tax will be charged to retail service providers, who the government has admitted will pass on the cost to customers.

About 95 percent of those taxed will be NBN fixed-line customers, while the remainder will come from operators such as TPG, which has been deploying fibre-to-the-basement services in metro areas.

Lawmakers have acknowledged the charge will make broadband prices more expensive.

However, they argue the tax is needed because of an expected shortfall in funds from a cross-subsidy that – until now – has been embedded in NBN Co’s wholesale prices.

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  • 21
    I don't mind this tax.
  • 347
    I dislike taxes in general and I dissaprove.
  • 61
    I will move to South Korea, land of fast cheap internet.
  • 68
    Doesn't apply to me, I will never get NBN in my lifetime. ADSL is amazing! (sardonic laugh)

Comments

  • Any good deals on courses to learn to speak Korean?

  • +12

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2017/april/1490965200/pa…

    People should really read this excellent essay on the absolute train wreck that is the NBN. It's quite long (about 30-45 mins read) but is well worth it.

    • +3

      Thanks for that! That was a very sobering read, I had a suspicion the whole thing was a mess, I just didn't realise how badly the coalition had f'ed it up.

    • +1

      Adam doesn’t care whether he gets fibre to the node or fibre all the way to his home. “They can put the fibre up my arse for all I care. I just want fast internet.”

      LOL, worth the read just for that last quote!

  • +4

    F this government. They don't care about anyone but their own rich arses.

  • +3

    maybe it's good time to lock in contract just for this reason?

  • $7.10 is better than paying the $25 Telstra tax that I'm currently paying to get ADSL1..

  • +4

    Cheaper, faster, sooner…

    SUCKER!
    Who guessed, Fizza lied.

  • +2

    Not to sound cold, but don't some of these people who live in regional areas know that they are moving to an area with poor/limited connectivity? The financial offset of living there should be used to cater for their own infrastructure improvements/upgrades.

    • +4

      Many regional areas support the primary industries of Australia. I would feel better knowing that those living there had better internet/communications for whatever big or little different it makes for them to have a safer and easier time staying there, not to mention it could encourage more traffic into industries/businesses in those areas. Even if they understand the consequences, any young people growing up in those areas also have a harder time accessing education materials or acquiring career/retail/professional skills, etc. - putting them at a disadvantage and possibly making it harder for them to leave if they wish to. The barrier to leave itself becomes another barrier for entry.

      Rather than financial offset, I would think living would become much more inconvenient and the costs of many things would surely increase rather than decrease. In fact, poor financial situations might have even forced them to move out that far in the first place - meaning they could never afford the upgrades themselves given that would cost more due to the location too. Some people might move out for the lifestle itself but not everyone.

    • +3

      That's a naive and shortsighted opinion to hold of what the NBN - or any fast internet infrastructure - represents. Like I mentioned above, fast, stable internet should be considered as basic as water and electricity, and not (just) because lolSteamgames or YouPorn or whatever, but rather more the way it can transform things like access to doctors, specialists, technicians and other people who you don't otherwise have access to in regional Australia.

      One easy example: I was part of a trial that used various online streaming services to connect to diabetes educators/clinicians/endos in major cities, people I otherwise don't have access to.

    • I do not always believe a politicians excuses for a tax.

      When they bring out a tax or "fair" levy they usually try to get people to blame each other and give suitable excuses. We should be blaming the politicians who screwed up the budget in the first place. They were told enough times by experts in the field that they were making huge mistakes with the NBN, but chose to ignore everyone. The politicians just need more money to support a crippled NBN and do not know how to fix it without taxing people.

      This tax might not even fix the money problem, maybe they will end up taxing the banks slightly more to pay for it, everyone loves them taxing banks ;)

  • +3

    I would gladly pay any tax if they knew what they're doing with the NBN (which they don't) and I know where the money is going (which I don't). $3.6 million the CEO is on. Take it out of his pay then, obviously not doing a great job considering how angry most people are.

  • +3

    As with others here… wouldn't mind if I was actually paying for the FTTP, instead, I was given FTTN. Luckily I drew a lucky straw and live close to the node but f me when its peak hour… 96 —> 15 shared between four family members.

    Bloody politics got in the way, if they had just built the FTTP network everyone would've been happy to pay for the tax knowing that it is at the very least future proof instead of the capped maximum that copper imposes on us.

  • +2

    This is Australia - the home of Telstra. If you don't love Telstra as our brave Australian leaders do, then take the hint.

    Cuz if you don't love paying Telstra more and more then clearly its time to go. Its un - Australian to be anti Telstra - that's the TIO position, the telecommunications minister, the prime minister and Acma's position. None of them enforce the current telecoms act, haven't done for some years,and as things continue to worsen so will the number of complaints continue to rise.

    Until a Royal Commission is set up to investigate what has been going one for the last decade we're all screwed.

  • +3

    Govt. wd get more tax if they impose it on Service Provider if they fail to maintain 50% of the speed that they have sold the buyers to.

    e.g. Tax them if the speed is less than 50Mbps wherein the customer has purchased upto 100Mbps plan.

    • +2

      I don't think any of the major service provides (read Telstra and Optus) will be around for long if this was implemented lol

  • A "perfect" wank tax for all country folks who had been deceived so many times!

  • +4

    So first they downgrade our NBN to a horrible version which is already outdated. Then they make us pay even more for it. Great

  • +2

    won't stand for this.
    There's already a monthly $1.68 hidden extra cost.
    Modem uses 10w 24/7 x 0.25c = $20/year.

  • We got the internet we deserved.

  • Yep with so many monitoring everything going on its a wonder theres any speed at all.

  • +1

    It's amazing to me that the labor and liberal parties can waste so much money bickering over it so they can say they delivered it all the while using tax payers money to build it then have the cheek to charge you for using something youv'e already paid for in the first place , are other countries that way ?

    • +4

      I'm sure most 3rd world governments are similar

  • +3

    Government truly are SCUM.

    Years ago, the price of dialup internet was continuously dropping as download limits were simultaneously increasing. Then ADSL came out. After a pause the same thing happened - prices down, and/or download quotas rose. Then ADSL2+ came out. Same thing happened again.

    THEN government started talking about NBN.

    Prices of ADSL ceased dropping, and in many cases actually increased. Government pushed on. Told a bunch of lies about the NBN, such it's price. Then lied that the copper would stay and people could choose to say on ADSL. Oops… Quickly had to admit the truth and justify that when it hit the news that copper was being ripped out to FORCE people onto NBN who were quite content to stay with ADSL/2. So many lies and degradation of what the NBN was supposed to be since then.

    Currently NBN plans make it seem to the unwary, that you can keep doubling speed. When in reality, those speeds are not even achievable.

    And now THIS.

    Something that was basically a hobby for the relatively few computer nerds, that 'normal' people scratched their head about and mocked, has now infected every aspect of life - getting to the point where you MUST have it. They demanded and forced control of it to monitor us, which due to function creep will one day (just wait and see if I'm wrong), will be trawled through to roll out against people in court…

    Everything government touches turns into a money grab, and becomes a quality/level of service that is a disappointment/disgrace in the process. They're absolute SCUM.

  • Where is the option for "I understand the importance of taxes but this is obsene - that's a huge increase for people on lower-tier plans".

  • +4

    We're aiming for the worst and most expensive Internet on the planet. Well done LNP.

  • -3

    I remember the good old days with Howard as PM. There was a tax cut in every budget. Now… poverty line, slowly but surely creeping closer.

    • +1

      God I hope you're being sarcastic…

      • Nah, really getting close to poverty line.

        • +3

          I'm talking about praising a Howard for all the tax cuts.. which has partly put the country in its current predicament as he bought votes during all the 'good times'.

        • @Porthos: They both do it. Rudd handed thousands out to supposedly stop the big bad GFC here, and ignored their mistake of giving 2-3 payments to the same people in many cases.

          I wish everyone in Australia would BOTH of them LAST and SECOND LAST on the ballot.

        • @GregMonarch: A one off payment (or a few in the different things Rudd did) is much easier to stop or take away than years of tax cuts doing boom times leaving any government in a bind later on when the boom times end.

          Look at how much people complain when they have to pay a bit more tax in general (this NBN tax I think is ridiculous and not what I'm referring to here) and you'll see the issue. Neither side of government can really increase personal income tax rates or they'll be thrown out quicker than they can sign the budget.

          Howard put a whole generation of people into the 'gimme more, what's in it for me?' mindset for each budget. I agree both sides nowadays are as bad as each other. But who would actually run the country? Hanson? Xenophon? (Who just laid down and claimed victory for getting pensioners a once off $75 payment in exchange for cutting the company tax rate, yeah, great victory there).

          Sadly I think Australian needs its own Trump moment to wake the major parties up. It won't happen though, as when they get back in power they'll just go back to their usual ways.

        • -2

          @Porthos: I laughed at the idea (that people still believe) that handing out those cash payments somehow saved us from a worse financial crash.

          Hanson: Yes. She's the most obvious face that isn't labor/liberal. So she should get our votes, if only to slap some sense into liberal/labor. Their silly racist claims don't hold water. Just like the constant flow of lies you mention about Trump.

          e.g.

          • Comey investigates Clinton.
          • They rubbish Comey.
          • Comey closes investigation.
          • They pat Comey on the head.
          • Comey reopens Clinton investigation.
          • They scream for Comey's head.
          • He closes that one too.
          • They pat him on the head again.
          • Comey didn't follow correct legal procedure with all that - and if anything, it helped Trump. But Trump still waits for the fake Russia investigations to complete, so they can't whine he's firing Comey for that reason. Then he fires Comey because no-one has faith in the FBI.
          • They scream at Trump for firing Comey. Saying it's 'unheard of'… Conveniently forgetting Bill Clinton did the very same thing to the head of the FBI.

          Lying morons. I don't love any politician. But the rubbish pro-Clintoners come out with, is outright intellectual dishonesty. So are the racist lies about Hanson.

  • +3

    I don't mind paying this tax if I got FTTH rather than rubbish and useless HFC.

    • +11

      Except that the taxpayer's money has been squandered on inferior technology (FTTN, HFC) and much of it also been pumped into Telstra, a company that the government no longer has control of. Then they decided that FTTN was a faulty plan and they should ditch it for FTTC 18 months into the project. This means there will be a mix of people on FTTN and FTTC, and eventually the people on Node will need to switch their equipment to support FTTN once the co-existence period is over.

      Its the equivalent of the a government official standing in a computer shop buying whatever the hell he wants with taxpayer money and not fully understanding the technology behind it, only to realize what he bought was not as good as it was claimed to be… so now, realizing he can't refund the stuff he bought, exclaims "We need more taxes to keep going!"

      So far there's not a whole lot of transparency or honesty about how the funding is being managed, so yes, loads of money being spent, but not spent on the thing people actually want.

    • Well, it already has tax on it now - GST. Which is a 10% tax, that not too many years ago, they wouldn't have had in their pockets either. Now they want that 10%, plus this new tax as well!? Not to mention taxes were used to build the NBN in the first place - plus they ripped out copper as they went. Even though - and most people miss this point entirely… Decades ago they said analog voice couldn't continue on copper - then they discovered multiplexing. Then the same story decades later… copper won't suffice any longer for internet - but then ADSL appeared. And then ADSL2/+ appeared. My point being ANOTHER technology could have been invented to get even more speed out of copper, but we'll never know. (They were wrong every other time they said it.)

      Then there's the fact ADSL1/2 was, and still is, just fine for many people. And unlimited ADSL2 could be had in metro areas for as little as $40 per month before government a) sold off telstra and b) became obsessed with NBN. Heck, with the expense of fibre compared to copper, they could have renewed all the copper - even laid 2x or 3x as much at the same time, and came up with another form of multiplexing technology to increase speed even further.

      Or could have skipped the ongoing cost of ALL forms of cable - forever - by going wireless or satellite.

      Or look at mobile phone companies… I'm currently paying $54/m for 50GB/m on a data SIM. If government had invested that money in the private sector, such as via a loan - made the lot Category 6 or better…

      They're just greedy fools. And we're fools for continuing to prop up the labor/liberal stranglehold they have on this country, instead of tossing them out on their ear.

    • +1

      Hey pal, we know your real name is Scott Morrison? Wake up mate. Australia is already overtaxed on just about everything and your belief about everyone wanting the best for free is a load of bull too. People don't mind paying for service, but getting arsed by the government on top of that draws a line.

      You obviously work for the government. Your comment is spoken like a true politician . By the way, the government is SERVING no one other than their own interests. If they were serving they would listen. You talk like we have a democracy. Lol, Good night Mr Morrison.

  • would gladly pay this if i could even get NBN. aparrently i r not worthy to get NBN.

  • +1

    What exactly did you think was gonna to happen. Only in lala land would it be possible to pay off your competition, and use some of their assets and invest in a whole lot of new assets, in hope of providing a lower cost monthly subscription.

    If it really worked the investors would have been throwing their money at fiber, without government intervention.

  • Dunno who is worse - Turncoat or Shortass.

    • +2

      As above… Don't vote for either major party. Put them last and turn them both into MINORITY parties.

  • +1

    I am seriously considering giving a big "up yours" to MT and just cancel my NBN if this proposed tax goes ahead.

    I must say my usage while high, can be scaled down quite easily.

  • +1

    GST already paid on NBN, now another tax on top of it?! Liberals are the best; screw most of the country over with VDSL, then charge for the privilege - twice. Perhaps I would be happier if our taxes were actually used for things the majority want. In my dreams, HAH.

  • Ahh..glad I'm on good old Telstra, rotting, 2-wire ADSL…..NOT!

  • +3

    so they cut our phone lines and force us on nbn. then they introduce this tax bs. what the heck.

    • +2

      Just wait till everything becomes cashless and are forced to have your money in an online bank system only. Imagine the fees and taxes you will be forced to pay then. It wont be like the old days where you could bury your money or stash it under the mattress away from these crooks. There will be no escape.

      • Then there will be underground banking where you can stash your money offline.

  • i switched from adsl2+ to tpg's FTTB, and the speed is a lot faster. (went from 12mbps->93mbps).

    why doesn't the government just try to provide this to everyone instead of nbn? or is nbn supposed to be even better?

    • +3

      Because the government can't just cherry pick areas like TPG have done?

      The original NBN was meant to be FTTP for 93% of areas, but then the Libs and their whole 'faster/cheaper/better' came along and ruined it for everyone. Few news outlets jumped on the bandwagon as well due to their own interests and the rest is now history as a lot of people think we can just keep digging stuff out of the ground, selling everything to China and having insane house prices.

      'Straya!

  • Should I be glad that I'll only ever get Fixed Wireless NBN???

  • +2

    So again we get taxed for government incompetence.

  • +5

    It's a bit like the electric companies installing smart meters so that they can save millions by not having to read the meter, only to make us pay for it. I believe the government was involved in that too.

  • +1

    I'll just stick to cable internet. 100Mbps down, 3 up. NBN should be FttH in metro areas, not this mixed technology bullsh*t

  • +2

    Sorry I don't want NBN then….My current Telstra Cable surely outperforms its resold Cable service with less speed and higher prices.

    There's no reason to change for me

    Don't call it NBN when its still cable afterall in my area.. This mixed up technology bullshit is out of control.

    F$%^ this governament

  • There's no choice - you're force to change within one year of it being available in your area.

    (unless that's be challenged in court).

    • +1

      True. I just had to give up my very fast and reliable cable connection for NBN that uses the old phone lines??? No choice. And now I have to pay tax for this retrograde step? Unbelievable :(

      • If you were on cable you should still be using the HFC (if it was Telstra cable) portion of the NBN, just with the benefit of all providers not just Telstra. If you were using the Optus HFC, you'd either be getting FTTC in a few years, or in rare cases going to FTTN? I'm assuming you're on FTTN now?

        • My building was cabled for Foxtel, and my Telstra cable connection used this. I was very surprised when the NBN technician hooked me up via the ancient phone lines :( I'm on FTTB.

        • @Sweet3st: At least with FTTB the copper run is very short, I'd be surprised if you couldn't easily be pushing 100/40Mbps even on old copper (unless it's ridiculously bad). Still surprised they didn't use the HFC though, especially considering it's Telstra's as opposed to Optus'.

        • @Porthos: The point is why would I want to pay extra especially in tax? My download speeds are actually slower than before.

        • @Sweet3st: Well what plan are you on and with what ISP?

        • @Porthos: I used to be on Telstra Ultimate Cable. Now I'm on Telstra Fast NBN FTTB (I think this is the fastest possible on copper). The consultant lied to me when he said my speeds on NBN would be as fast or faster. Obviously the coax cable I used to be on is capable of offering much greater speeds than the old copper (building dates to 1939). I may change to TPG now… not sure what they are using to get from basement to my apartment.

        • @Sweet3st:

          Which plan do you actually have though? The Telstra website is ridiculous just to find basic information and pricing.

          Very Fast Speed Boost ($20 per month) can provide speeds up to 50/20 Mbps into the home.

          Super Fast Speed Boost ($30 per month) can provide speeds up to 100/40 Mbps into the home.

          I wouldn't be changing to TPG (or iiNet or Internode etc) as they're all doing it on the cheap when it comes to CVC. Some of the better ISP's are Skymesh or Aussiebroadband.

          The beauty of the NBN for you now is, you're not just stuck with Telstra!

    • Mobile phone providers are steadily catching up (providing more data for lower cost). If that pattern continues, it won't be long before the price of using a data SIM, with unlimited phone calls is cheaper than NBN. It would be hilarious to watch the NBN die in just a few more years, as most people realise they can drop their home phone, home internet, and tether their phone (WiFi/bluetooth) to their car, TV, and computer instead for music, video, and internet - and not be tied to the one address.

      • The fact you actually think the mobile network could handle the data we download currently let alone what we will in a few years just shows how hilariously uniformed you are on technology.

        Mobile always is and will be complimentary to fixed line services, it will never replace it.

        • +1

          There's always a smart alec. WHERE exactly did I say every person in Australia, would switch to the CURRENT mobile network as-is with NO upgrades taking place… oh, that's right - I didn't.

          Your comment goes further towards proving your own ignorance of technology, more than my own. (Reminiscent of goobers that bleated things like 'the current limitations of copper mean it won't suffice for all of Australia increasing to 56k speeds', then said it about ADSL, then about ADSL2…)

          First, I'm using it now. A category 6 device via the Vodafone network. It is quite a bit faster than the Telstra ADSL2. Can't roll it out to everyone? Well, duh - obviously. And just as obvious, all that's needed to solve that bottleneck, is more frequency/bandwidth allocated, and widespread use of what was once known as Category 4, 6, etc.

          In short - if it's working for 10 people, but drags its feet for 100 people - then they upgrade the tech/bandwidth. Precisely what has been occurring with cheaper ISPs for the last couple of decades. And it's far easier to stick a new wireless repeater on a pole, than dig up the ground and replace the current foolishness we have in the NBN.

  • +2

    vote for liberals this is what you get suckers!!! .. Labor for Fiber to the HOME .. no coppy crap from Telstra that costs more to maintain when fiber ever would have,

  • +2

    Amazing they chose $7.10 - exactly the amount of tax I'll be saving by increasing my % use of NBN for business.

  • +2

    Meanwhile In the major waffle office

    Minister — ehhhm why are we loosing money on telecommunications, everybody wants this new fandangled netflix and chill don't they

    pleb —the biggest loss was to customers wanting better service with no line rental from telstra

    Minister —what can we pretend they need

    pleb — nothing they are smarter than us sir

    Minister —but they need to rent the lines

    pleb —No they don't they have Mobile phones with batteries now sir

    Minister —Batteries you say, can we install them somewhere in NBN…..hmmmmmmmmmm

    sometime later

    Minister —the storm knocked the power off last night, had to talk to mummy on the landline

    Pleb — good thing you don't have NBN then sir

    Minister —why is that?

    Pleb —fiber doesn't power the line you would need a power supply to transmit the signal from you're house sir.

    Minister —right we need power supplies on the network that should cover most of the line rental losses, the customers can pay for the upkeep of the batteries they won't know it's our responsibility because it's new and they will be too busy nechilling or whatever it is

    Pleb —ingenius sir thats sneakier than a tax

    Minister —HA i'm still going to tax the buggers, you said they were smart.

    • Until mobile phone plans overtake viability of NBN. More GB, and a bit lower cost, and gov. can kiss their NBN 'investment' goodbye.

  • +1

    Wasn't the price meant to go down with the new wholesale pricing structure?

    • +2

      The CVC charge is still fairly expensive and as a result a lot of smaller discount providers have to oversubscribe to keep costs down and turn a profit.

      And then to make matters worse, they rolled out FTTN instead of FTTP to a few hundred thousand premises using the aging copper network.

      So in the end people who sign up to cheap plans get the short end of the stick, crappy internet at somewhat crappy prices.

      • I was holding out for CVC revisions to see if that makes difference.

  • +1

    What do the Libtards classify as 'superfast' broadband? I suspect their definition will be anything faster than 28.8 kb/second.

    The purpose of this tax is to redistribute money to rich Telstra shareholders. Corporations give a brown bag full of money to certain politicians, and politicians pass legislation designed to enrich the corporations and the capitalists. Democracy is the most corrupt political system on the planet.

  • Lets Never vote for the Liberals again! stuck two year waiting for FTTN while the street across of me has FTTP "under labor"

    • +1

      Looks like the grass is greener on the other side of the fence after all.

    • +1

      Not voting liberal, gives liberal a slight pay cut, and puts them on the other side of the room where they can cause trouble for the next few years.

      Vote them BOTH out. (Last.)

  • Will you need to pay this if you use non NBN such as TPG FTTB?

    • probably not, since TPG is private and you're using their private equipment.

  • Govt already introduced 'anti-cherry picker' legislation so that profits from cheap rollouts in the cities would offset more expensive regional NBN rollouts. But they didn't save as much from their MTM mess as they thought. Hence, more tax.

  • So I will have to pay a tax on a inadequate service I've been provided where they have obviously skimped to save costs? Excellent. My FTTN isn't even faster than ADSL.

    Turns out NBNCo skimped on the nodes in my suburb and didn't put one next to my specific pillar so I am about 1.2km from the node. This results in my awesomely fast speed of about 13mbps/2mbps download/upload.. There will be alot of others in my suburb in a similar predicament.

    • If your area is still in coexistance period (that is, ADSL2+ hasn't been switched off) you will have to put up with the slower speeds. The quicker everyone in your suburb switches to NBN, the better.
      Once they turn off the Downstream Power Back Off you may see an increase in speeds. Emphasis on may.

      Let's hope you don't have to pay the tax with your 'superfast' 13mbps fiber…

      Though there's a glimmer of hope, NBNco is replacing Node with Fiber to the Curb, so in around 10 years time you might get to switch over!

  • +1

    As someone who has had some involvement with NBN from a vendor perspective I can safely say (the obvious!) you are all getting screwed. The amount of wastage and mismanagement is horrendous (what the public knows is only the tip of the iceberg). A lot of companies have a made a killing out of this mess with no corresponding benefit to the public. Labor/Lib would have made no difference. It's just another bureaucracy that's mostly incompetent, making it up as they go.

    For the record I will have to pay 15% more for NBN in my area to achieve speeds (Tier1)that is 25% slower than what I'm getting with ADLSL so yeah no incentive to move until I'm forced to. One good thing about their incompetence is that I probably get a lot longer than 12months!!

  • As soon as i receive "superfast" internet - by my standards, not theirs, i will pay the tax….

  • Considering I can already get faster internet through 4g on my mobile(100mb) than my adsl(14mb), we're all going to be better off ending up as wireless connections that can actually have infrastructure improved anyway.

    • on a good day yes, you can get full speeds on 4G but there are times in a highly populated area, having around 100~200 users around inside the same network 'cell' all downloading (100% utilisation) at the same time means the speeds can slow all the way down to 3G speeds.

      It's the reason why VividWireless (owned by Optus) throttles their speeds all the way down to 12mbps, it's to ensure that everyone can get roughly consistent speeds.

      TPG is building their own cellular network though, so it remains to be seen if they could offer home broadband and deliver it wirelessly and provide an alternative to fixed line nbn.

  • Explains why there are numerous cabling vans in and around our street, working till late. Seems there is a real push to get this done. At least in our area anyway. I'm actually quite happy on my Telstra Cable with speedboost, getting 100mbps.

  • +1

    So we need to be taxed to bail out NBN Co now? Isn't that supposed to be a commercially viable enterprise in the first place?

    • +1

      They made a few mistakes.

      • They started off by building them off in the poorer, less densely populated, remote areas. Had NbnCo had some common sense, the should've focused on the capital cities (Sydney, Melb) first and then spread out to the more suburban regions, once they were making enough money off the first lot of subscribers. This means it's costing taxpayers more money to rollout the network.

      • The Liberals wrecked the initial intent of the NBN by doing a 'cheap charlie' job on a nations infrastructure in a feeble attempt to showcase their 'economic wizardry' which will be well outdated in world terms by the time it is completed. You can thank Tony abbott for this. The FTTN network proved to be incapable right from the beginning as parts of the old copper network was already failling and costing too much money to maintain (since the copper belongs to Telstra — and it's a company that the government has no control of)

      Originally MT said they could wire up Australia for $29.5 billion… which was revised to $41 billion…. and last year it looks like it'll be 'up to' 56 billion.

      • and their 3rd problem was political intervention. The Libs wanted their version of the NBN at any cost, and ignored the advice and protests of engineers with sound technical knowledge on how networks actually work.
        So now we have this multi-technology mess which is both costly to build and costly to maintain, and hard to upgrade.
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