Ballpark Cost of Repairing Another Turd Car

I'm about to inherit another turd (2009 camry), one that's newer and slightly faster than my current turd (2001 camry). It's my dad's old old car and is currently insured for $10k. Only problem with this car is it's had a hard life with my sister learning to drive in it, as well as random encounters with scumbags in hospital carparks (dad leaves it parked in hospital carparks for long periods of time, dunno why but people seemed to love scraping it or running into it when it had its old numberplates on - it hasn't had anyone run into it with new plates on it though).

I consider myself quite handy and have fixed up other things in the past, just not automotive paints. The interior plastic is kind of ugly, so I intend to wrap it in vinyl wrap when I replace the speakers and OEM head unit as well. The rims are all like the pic, all of them have varying amounts of gutter rash. I will be installing the speakers and head unit myself, as well as replacing the reverse camera to make it work with the head unit.

How much would it cost to get the exterior fixed, and is it something I can do myself? How hard would installing new speakers and head unit be in a newer car? My old turd car dismantled and reassembled quite easily. I intend to do this in the mid-semester break.

Images of turd 2.0: http://imgur.com/a/x0ykt

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  • +4
    1. Fixing the tail light issue should be cheap enough - 4 or 5 screws and the whole assy should pop out
      wreckers are your best bet or ebay for second hand parts - 20-30 minute job depending on how hard it is to access but certainly easy to fix if its just a leaky tail-light

    2. I personally think vinyl wrap it tacky and a waste of time, your choice, your car, be aware of the legalities and use of it though
      can be defectable depening on whats done with it

    3. Head unit to be changed, simple enough, if you're smart enough with electronics and understand wiring colour codes you can either remap the cabling yourself or get yourself an ISO DIN changeover cable to convert the OEM plug into whatever brand you choose to use, the best part of that is the OEM factory volume controls will work for you :), secondly most stereos can be changed with DIN / Double DIN conversion kits which just fit perfectly giving you a factory look

    As for speakers, pretty easy, work out the size and swap accordingly, change speaker cable if you wish
    If you go down the road for a sub, run power up the right hand side and audio cabling down the left, stops any issues with interference, ground loop issues and usually the firewall plugs are on the right hand side of most cars (but some can be on the left depending on your car etc, easy enough to work out, use the correct gauge power cable for the AMP you choose as well and ensure its FUSED AT THE BATTERY ( + POSITIVE TERMINAL I can't stress this enough), also ensure you GROUND your amp properly to metal

    Cars aren't too hard to dismantle, take your time and make sure you lay parts out in the order you want to put them back in (work from reverse to refit and reassemble)
    Head unit should not be too hard but ensure you either solder your wiring / use proper convertor kit, do not twist tie and ensure you know what each wire does as you work before you go connecting them up to the new unit

    If in doubt look for a service manual or ask someone with audio knowledge

    • Thanks mate, do you know anything about the exterior? I'm not too concerned about the audio upgrades because my old man is an electrical engineer by trade, he said that part would be the easiest out of everything I want to do.

      • Clean and then polish the scratches (use an oribital buffer) with any of the scratch restoring kits you get at supercheap. Then buy touch up metal paint and touch it up. Its easier to touch up using brush than sprays if you haven't used spray cans before (quite easy to overspray). If you are spraying, get shit ton of news paper and masking tape, cover everything except what you are trying to spray.

        Use a plastic restoring solution (armor all?) and apply that after cleaning the interior dash bits.

        Find a manual to figure out what size speakers are already in your car and pick up similar sized ones. Will save you the hassle of making a mounting board for them then.

  • What are the issues?
    Just the water logged tail light?

    • Tail light and paint issues. The paint work looks like it was driven by a little old Asian lady that parked her car in Eastwood. I know it's a free car and all but it would suck driving a car with so many scratches.

      • +2

        …nothing like a little bit of casual racism to wrap up a Sunday night.

        • +7

          Hardly racist. I live in Eastwood and I'm Asian. Some of the drivers there are pretty bad, I have no evidence for me to say most of them don't hold Australian licences, but a lot of the drivers I see would probably not pass the driving test. I know for a fact my little old Asian neighbour next door keeps going home every 6 months to stay on her overseas licence because she admitted she'd never pass the test here.

        • @niggard:

          Hardly racist.

          Your comment was racist.

          The question is: Was it justifiably so?

        • @Scrooge McDuck: I've always wondered if blanket statements were racist, if there was enough anecdotal evidence to suggest a correlation between a certain race and/or gender and bad driving. Obviously, not all Asians are bad drivers and not all bad drivers are Asian, but in this example here, Eastwood is frequented by Asians who happen to drive poorly most of the time - the rare occasion where an Asian isn't driving badly is rare indeed.

        • +7

          @niggard:

          I've always wondered if blanket statements were racist,

          Technically, acknowledging "race" at all, is racist.

          In my opinion, the politically correct crowd are far too sensitive about "racism".

          My best mate in primary school had ancestry from Hong Kong, mates in high school had ancestry from various Eurasian countries, and studying engineering at Sydney Uni, most of my mates had Asian ancestry. Domestic and international racist jokes and observational criticism were/are common from my self-identified ethnic mates. My own ancestry is one of the most lampooned worldwide and I enjoy receiving and partaking in deriding it.

          So generally, I can appreciate good-spirited "race humour".

      • +2

        The paint work looks like it was driven by a little old Asian lady

        I have one of these for a mother. Last week she drove her car front first into a stationary object which is evidently built pretty solid judging by the damage it caused to her car. Huge dent. The stationary object looks perfectly fine.

        Then she reversed into someone's parked car in my street.

        This comes mere months after she had both front and rear bumpers replaced after collecting too many battle scars.

        Face. Palm.

        • +1

          Silly mother.

          Driving is not a contact sport!

  • paintwork I wouldnt care much about, try a wax and polish and see how you feel
    tail-light is a defectable item so I would worry about that first

  • +4

    I think 'people running into it' is dad speak for 'i hit something again'

    • Nah, he's had some pretty bad things happen to that car at RNS and hospitals out in the west. The nature of his work requires him to be at hospitals for extended periods of time and a lot of people seem to be extra careless in the carparks of big hospitals. That car has been repaired more than 5 times due to not at fault accidents, all in the vicinity of Eastwood NSW lol. The only damage he's done to it was the last pic when he drove over a curb after coming home at 3am from RNS. The tail light and paint damage under it was my sister though, she reversed into a pole on her Ls. In hindsight I wish I let her drive my current turd car.

      • You are too trusting.

        • I've seen my dad drive, he is a pretty good driver 99% of the time. I've gone to deliver his laptop and/or tools to him at some hospitals and I've seen riff raff drive like (profanity) in them. Worst one seems to be Penrith hospital, followed by RNS. At the end of the day I am inheriting turd 2.0, I want it fixed so I won't feel too bad driving it. Right now even my current turd is in better condition exterior wise.

        • @niggard: So if he drives to and from work each date, that means he'd average 6 accidents a year?

        • @thorton82:

          He's had that car since 2009. The newer one bought in 2013 was given to mum to drive, as turd 2.0 was already pretty beat up. Between 2009-2016, turd 2.0 got run into by various people and I recall not at fault claims almost every year since turd was purchased. There have been almost 2 incidences a year of other cars hitting dad's car whilst parked since it was purchased. Here are two of my favourites, the first one was from 2015 and the second one was from 2013. Rear ended in 2015 and 2013 had someone do a Melbourne turn into dad's car. http://imgur.com/a/irNHL

          Given that the car is mine now and pretty beat up due to no fault of my own, I want to get it fixed for the least amount of outlay, that's all. Obviously I am not going to turn down a free car, and I'm not going to argue with you if my old man caused those because he didn't, bar the one under the driver's door.

        • @niggard: It was a joke.

        • @thorton82: fair enough mate, hard to tell over the internets. Can't wait to buy my own new car and I won't have to rely on charity.

  • +1

    the rims are easy.

    get some Selleys knead it. apply and then sand it down. then get an artist brush and a small pot of silver paint

    paint scrapes - try a cut and polish and see how much they improve.

    the tail light - take it off - here is a guide . let it dry out and then replace all the globes with LEDs and then when you reattach the tail light you should use some clear silicon sealant to seal it up nice and water tight (LEDs should last the life of the car)

    • The cracked tail light just looks unsightly, my dad said he isn't going to get my sister to pay for it and if I choose to fix it, it'll be at my own expense. I probably will go to the wreckers and replace the housing, and keep the spare LEDs for spare parts.

      With the rims, is it a good idea to paint them or plastidip them while I'm at it?

      • +3

        God no

        Its a 2009 Camry
        Just make the car look presentible
        Plasidip in my opinion is tacky, ugly and has the tryhard ricer feel to it

        Im all for it but on a 2009 Camry, please don't

        • How hard would it be to paint the rims either in the same silver colour or in a darker grey then? I took a look at some DIY guides that called for sanding the rims down and then using metal primer and special spray paint. I would like to spend less than $2500 all up including a new head unit if possible. In order of priority, a head unit and new sound system comes first, then the exterior.

      • paint.

        plastic dip would stuffed up the first time they accidentally get scrapped again.

        I had gutter rash on my previous rims. after half an hour with an artists brush and a small tin of paint from SCA they all looked fine from a metre away.

        oh, I see the crack in the rear lens. yep, a wrecker. but also check ebay + gumtree

        • So something like this: https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308624-restoring-alloy-w…

          How long would the bog last? I don't anticipate keeping this car for more than three years, because dad will turn over another car by then and I'll inherit that.

        • +1

          @niggard: you could go down that path -full painting as it is pretty straight forward. the bog would last until it gets knocked off when hitting a gutter.. though looking at the photo of your rim then probably I'd skip the bog and just use the paint brush and paint. an easier, cheaper and faster fix.

          as for the tail light - check out gumtree. I had a quick look and there are a lot of camrys being wrecked. start contacting wreckers and find the cheapest price. then start negotiating.

  • Tail light : cracked assembly, replace
    Lower right bumper: looks like its 95% paint scuff, should mostly polish out, get handy with a fine brush and some colour matched paint to finish the job.
    Plasti-dip: no. Would just clean the alloys and drive it.

    You probably are over-thinking this. Its a reliable unexceptional Camry. Three months later, your care factor will be zero.
    "I live in Eastwood and I'm Asian" So like, which anime characters will you be putting with the Kleenex box on the rear shelf. (;p)

    • +1

      Haha, I don't want people asking me if I caused the damage to the car. That happened to me when I inherited turd 1.0, everyone kept asking me if I reversed into things or if the scrapes on the side were my doing (no, they were my mum's). It's also nice to drive a car that isn't scratched, although it'll probably get scratched up parking around uni.

  • Rims you can DIY YouTube it heaps of video about fixing gutter rash.

    The light would be easy to fix its not a necessity unless its a defect but if it works. Shouldn't be a problem it may short out after getting to wet.

    The paint is probably the biggest issues some of scratches look deep. You could get a cheap respray.

  • Turd car 101: don't spend money on cosmetics.

    If the tail light is not roadworthy, then just replace it and enjoy the turd as-is. You can source new and second hand ones often less than $100.

    • The light works fine, it just looks bad

  • +1

    If I was your "turd" camry I would refuse to start. Cars are loveable characters and insulting them is a receipe for disaster. Dont do it.

    Embrace your camry, love it even with its blemishes. Look beyond the surface and see the love it has for you.

    If people ask you how the blemishes occurred, just tell them that's the way it came into your life, and you respect that in life everyone can't be a model

    And as a true ozbargainer (you are of course?) love the savings you have made. Remember the cheap crocs you bought from Rivers arent fashion statements, they are hip pocket liners.

    Those blemishes are badges that show your true inner cheapness

    Discrimination goes past race, and we know how well a Camry does in winning the race game

    As for some of the advice on the image issues you have, that affects your love, some thoughts….

    1. Plasticdipping the wheels. This is done all the time. Look on utube etc for many images on how to do this. Its been going on for years. So yes it can scratch off if ypu hit a gutter, but doh, that happens with any wheel if you hit a gutter, thats how it got scratched in the first place. Paint will also scratch. If you keep some spare plastic dip you can respay the scratch/knick. If this didn't last you would see plenty of advice in car forums not to bother. My son did this on his car and its lasted quite well.

    2. Rear light. Look at Aliexpress you might find a "replacement" light fairly cheap there. Sometimes cheaper than a wrecker. My Bro has a camry and we got door trim fittings very cheaply

  • Fix up the major issues to it and buff and clean up the rest.

    Cars will swap paint and in some cases a lot more then others and its unavoidable.

  • Just here for the fantastic headline!

  • +1

    As others have said - don't bother coating the interior unless you have nothing better to do with your time. Spend or save the money/time towards other things. I know there are Camry lovers out there, but it's not a classic car.

    The head unit should be easy to replace - note that it's likely to be a 200mm wide job (not standard din) so you might need to get 'wings' or similar to fill the empty space unless you get a 200mm wide unit (which restricts your choices - probably better off getting the trim kit). Getting a harness kit is the quickest and easiest way of plugging it in, but the cheapest is to splice straight into the existing wiring if you can work out which cable does what. Your call. Harness kit makes it a lot easier to swap the unit later. If you go the harness kit, note that you may need a cable to convert the head unit cable to ISO, plus a cable to convert the car cable to ISO. Some head units (mainly the 200mm ones) may come with everything you need as they are designed for Toyotas. Some head units come with ISO cables so you only need the cable to convert the Toyota harness to ISO.

    The paintwork actually doesn't look too bad - some time with polish might get rid of a lot of the scrapes. What's left you could get a quote from a local paint shop for a touch up then decide if it's worth you doing yourself or just leaving it as it is. The only exception would be if you see any rust - that you should get rid of. If you decide to try painting it yourself, then a) practice on something else first b) remember lots of thin layers not a couple of thick coats c) protect nearby panels etc by plastic/paper/tape to avoid being hit by overspray

    The lights - yeah, I'd check the wreckers. Not only should you be able to find a replacement fairly easily, you will also be able to practise removal of the light from the donor car first.

  • Sorry to revive an old thread. I've sorted out the audio side of things and replaced the tail lights. With the paint, will acrylic paints suffice or should I be using 2pac paint? I don't have most of the safety gear but I do have a rather expensive charcoal filter respirator. How easy are the spray cans to use, and how tough are the canned clear coats?

    • Cant use 2pac without a paint booth. EPA.

      • Hmm. How well will acrylic bases and clear coats hold up, and can you spray acrylic over 2pac?

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