Hi Fellow mates,
I wonder why there is no penalty notice issued for the motorbikes or cars which produce intolerable noise around the city? I see, the traffic control department is more keen towards signal jump, over speed, seat belt and, etc but not against noise pollution.
What's the allowed range in Australia? I am severely impacted as my apartment is near great western highway, NSW. I'm have nightmares due to super Bikes and Lamborghini.
Cheers,
Sowny.
There may be but I don't see them being penalised!
It's probably low priority when you consider there is a finite amount of police officers.
Bikes have a much more forgiving limit than cars and I think the authorities are a little more lenient on them, cars get defected for noise all the time.
Lol have a look on car forums for the flood of complaints about defects… bikes get a more lenient treatment esp Harleys
Coz…..? Bikies
I have been, sucks because my bike wasn't that loud compared to most modified HD's and similar cruisers
my HD got a epa defect notice 2 years ago…so no lenient treatment for harley
the officer may issue a fine to the motorist for driving an unroadworthy vehicle.
How often do bikes get defected for noise compared to bikes I wonder. The noise put out by some bikes is ridiculous!
A member of the public can report a noisy vehicle to the traffic management unit at their local police station. If a police officer assesses the vehicle as being too noisy, the vehicle will be referred to EPA for noise testing.
So the report needs to be made to the Police, not to the EPA.
And will the police actually go out to the owner of the bike and check it? Highly doubtful…
@MrBear:
If enough people do it then the owner gets sent a letter saying they've had reports and they have to have their car checked at a road worthy station (whatever the state one is not a road worthy station). It does happen
You're right! Victoria Police doesn't really have an easy way to contact them. I guess one could try to email their local police station, which I have to admit isn't very convenient. Or perhaps one could submit a hoon behaviour report to Crimestoppers (there is a mobile phone app for this, apparently). What do folks think of that?
@montorola: yes, but it means noise complaints have been taken seriously. I'm sure if they get reissued, then further action will be taken.
Yeah, ill give you a few years until you end up asking eveyone what they said twice because you've lost a range of frequencies. When i was younger i didnt give a S*** but now im paying for it.
@MrBear: If you get on to one of the TOG'ies - for sure. Those lot have a hard-on for loud vehicles, at least in Bendigo. With a general duties officer probably hit or miss.
How often do bikes get defected for noise compared to bikes
IANAS but if I had to guess I'd say it would be about equal!
Lol. I possibly meant bikes compared to cars..
What does IANAS stand for? Perhaps my googling game is poor; I only get "Inter American Network of Academies of Sciences"
"I am not a statistician" I'd assume.
Loud pipes save lives!
That's what the bikies say!
thing is these people put on the stock quiet exhaust and then have the notice cleared, pay the fine then put back on the loud exhaust
we live in a society where we tolerate things we dont like
loud bikes and italian supercars are a part of that
i suggest that the OP move to some place quieter
At least when I had a car that was commonly modified, you only got a fine if the EPA had a testing station and the cops dragged you to it. Cops defected your car, then you put your original bits on, then went to a mechanic to get your defect cleared (around $50), and that's more or less it.
But if you got tested by the EPA, then you'd be walking funny for a few days.
Things may have changed since then though.
You're right. They replace the loud exhaust to make our ear bleed!
So you are suggestion we just have to give in to a bunch of selfish bastards who don't give a fig about other people. Personally I would prefer to make their lives a tad of a misery by continually reporting them until they learn some consideraton for others. The neighbours might have babies, or animals that are being stressed; why should they have to suffer? What about Hoons doing wheelies, we give them a free pass too, until they crash into someone else and maim/kill them?
@try2bhelpful: When was the last time you saw someone fail a wheelie and maim somebody other than himself?
@cold hotman: There are certainly instances of hoons drag racing and people losing control and plowing into crowds and I'm sure the crowds that gather to watch people dropping wheelies are leaving the area in an orderly fashion and observing all the road rules.
My issue is that people should not have to live with other people's antisocial behaviour and that the authorities should do more about it before it reaches that level.
@try2bhelpful
Not to discourage the point you're making, however:
"the crowds that gather to watch people… other people's antisocial behaviour"
Pretty sure that if crowds are gathering/socializing, then it's not antisocial.
@rompastompa: I don't know; the nazi crowds that called for the jews blood where pretty antisocial. Just because they are a mob does not make them social.
WHAT DID YOU SAY?!
"Loud pipes save lives!"
Sounds like my wife…
Complaining about your pipe sir?
If loud exhaust is a measure of safety consciousness, harley riders will be the safest riders on the road. Their exhaust gives them so much protection that all they need is the tiniest open face helmets and leather vest.
Ironically, a stock harley is one of quietest bikes.
If someone likes a loud and noisy exhast, just be honest about and dont try to justify it.
I ride a bike. as a rider I very much doubt that a loud exhaust do anything to increase safety.
I ride too, and have a louder exhaust (but not excessively loud that I would be reported).
I've noticed as I ride along that drivers do turn their heads when they hear me coming - especially when i'm approaching their blind spot. I've also had a whisper quiet bike many years ago and can say there is a difference between driver's awareness.
Loud pipes save lives!
So does not riding a bike. :)
and that's why people ride harleys…cos they are concerned about their safety??
HEAR HEAR. Anyone that says this isn't true doesn't ride a motorcycle. I'd rather you hear me for 3 seconds while I pass by then you merging into me for not seeing my bike.
Last time I got my motorcycle roadworthy certificate, they placed a rubber silencer in my exhaust. This leads me to think that there is a penalty in Victory for non-roadworthiness.
I do agree though, the sound of some motorcycles around the city at night is far too loud.
Can you provide more info on these rubber silencers please
I fitted a silencer after fine. Rejected at one place for non permanent. Went to exhaust specialist, and he then welded a metal plate onto silencer in there to block it up, took it elsewhere and still 5db over. Eventually had to get a stock muffler fitted with custom fitting, once they saw stock muffler they just approve, don't even test. My bike is not even noisy in comparison to most.
Thanks. It's ironic though, half the coppers I know ride noisy bikes. I found it cheaper to trade it in for a quiet one.
The one that was placed into my bike was held in with a screw hole they drilled. A lot more temporary than welding!
I wonder why there is no penalty notice issued for the motorbikes or cars which produce intolerable noise around the city?
for nsw.
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/index.cgi?fuseaction=demer…
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/regulation/2014/758…
In Victoria is not really enforced.
Given how some bikies gangs have friends in high places no wonder.
The back shed?
I've got a lifetime of noise damage done to my hearing by attending a pub gig. I found out after the fact the live music industry is self regulated and can play at whatever level they like. One local government department said they'd make a phone call and advised me the venue recorded that nights output at 140db. As I type this I have moderately loud whistling going on in my head and has changed my life. The Australian government couldn't give a damn.
Now that loud bike exhaust to you is annoying but for me it is head shattering piercing and ear pain inducing. Hyperacusis is what people like me have and my is due to acoustic shock damage from that live band.
Sorry my hearing awareness / rant post over.
Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution.
At excessive level it is … just like normal amount of sugar is sweet, excessive amount is poison..
Every Rose Has Its Thorn.
For example difficult if not impossible to tell the difference between 120db and 123db in real life but the later is 2 times louder power wise.
It was my only 9th concert in 22 years.
Just wish I knew the dangers and what can happen.
If have just made one person aware I'm happy
Err.. That's ridiculous! Is there a way to recover from your pain?
No. Hearing nerve damage/death is permanent combined with brain rewirement. Stem cells are the only possible healer. ENT will tell you learn to live with the noise. So far people are paying $30k plus for stem cell treatments overseas for no or minimal improvement results.
Don't fall for any of the bullshit Calin, there isn't any effective treatment imo. I've had this for 18 years.
I negged you Sowny, not sure why people seem to think all nerve damage can be cured but this belief grinds on you after a long time.
I think the situation is quite different to the ops post. When living in in your home, be it in the CBD or in the suburbs, you have every right to live in peace and quiet. If you are attending pubs or clubs on a regular basis, then really, loud noise is something you'd expect. When I attended clubs previously, sometimes the music got painfully loud. The only way to save my hearing was to wear ear plugs. I got plenty of crap from people teasing me for wearing them but i didn't care. My hearing was way more important.
In Victoria it's enforced differently. They hold a microphone a metre away (45 degree angle) from your car and if it's above the level at a certain RPM, you receive a defect.
Mate, you live near a highway, what did you expect? Lol
I live near a train station, does that mean I should report train noise?
Benson, couldn't agree more
complaining about noise on the highway, did they even check the place out before buying or renting
rent is cheap on a highway for one reason
NOISE
There's a nice quiet place on the corner of Park road and Stewart lane in Sydenham for the OP to complain about. Planes, trains, and automobiles!
This reminds me of whingers who live next to an airport and complain about the noise. Wtf did you expect, seriously?
I believe there is a charge to get the test done though, even if you pass. One of my mates neighbours was referred for testing on three occasions (and passed) on his old XB before he finally changed his exhause to get a break.
I think the full test is as you described, however they rev the car up to 3000rpm (may vary on engine type) and then release throttle. Some cars fail at the last part apparently.
Edit - found the whole test if interested http://www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports/(9745A524-E60D-9B7C-835B-CDAF7DC19D8B).pdf
Great Western Highway Sydney
I can tell the demographic of this neigbourhood already
I would suggest once your lease has expired or is about to, find somewhere different to live
You are not going to change much about that whole region tbh
@Tonyjzx Really? People should move somewhere quiet? So does that mean bikies aren't allowed to live somewhere quiet?
This kind of response is just plain crazy. If bikies want to have loud exhausts, fine, but put them on when you're away from people's homes.
It's a show of utter contempt for other people to deliberately blast down the road by peoples homes, especially late at night. Our kids have been woken up many a time due to this.
I'll be reporting the guy down our road shortly.
Show some respect for other people, or you risk tarnishing all bikies as not giving a sh1t.
seriously? just because some idiot wants to torture people you expect them to move??
it was a direct comment in regards to living on a highway and then bitching about noise
I agree all people should have some peace and quiet in living and if it was a neighbour making noise then so be it, complaining here won't do anything about it, go to the relevant authorities
People who do the wrong thing should be in trouble, driving down your street with loud pipes making a noise is a little different to noise due to living on a busy highway dont you think?
Common sense please
The OP is complaing about people using the highway, this was where my comment was directed at
Just like living near a train line and then bitching because the train rattles your apartment
please…
Draycen, I ride a bike and don't make racket
The comment was directed at people bitching because they live on a highway and people USE IT
Noise is going to happen, its a fact of life
Moving is a very easy solution
Not once did I read the OP is being harrased by an invidivual person or group
Theyre complaining about highway noise
Anyone who has a noisy car or bike should be defected, nothing really happens though, change the pipes or exhaust back, clear and then change it back
defects don't stop people
thats a problem NSW has to deal, I hate noise as much as the next person but complaining on an internet "forum" is going to do what exactly
Magically make the noise go away
This ^^^
You live in an urban centre. You are going to suffer noise.
Let me put it like this… my family owns two houses, both up around $2 mil. (sydney prices)
one is near a hwy and a bus interchange under the Connex construction, one is a near a train station and school
do I complain about the constant train line and the kids and the pain in the ass traffic at 8.30am and 3.30pm?
do I complain about the heavy hwy noise from trucks and construction?
How much do I have to spend to get away from this? I already have $4 mil. invested ("invested") here?
Do I waste my time with a friggin' notebook taking down numberplates and reporting it? Do I rant on here about it?
No I realise that noise is intermittent and its gone in a few seconds.
Cry more. I would like to call you a bunch of women but really, women have more fortitude that the people here.
You own the house so you need to go through the pain but why the hell i have to ?
Your comments are simply irrelevant … the train station and bus interchange are city infrastures benefiting all people… they are public assets and public choices ( through the government elected ) … the bikes and cars making excessive noise are illegal in the first place, why would OP need to tolerate , he was asking what shoud he do .. and you talked about ' woman' .. this reveals what kind of peolpe you are.. i am sorry to say this on first day of new year but just cannot believe the level of rudeness in your comments
here's the thing… am I complaining about them? am I making a thread about it? am I having nightmares about them?
I dont believe I am. I'm just happy that the property I paid $250k for is now at close to $2 mil.
That's it.
Also I must say this. What kind of person has 'nightmares' about loud cars?
I mean, really? What poor state of mind exists in people these days?
Tony, your attitude is part of the problem. It appears you do not either read or understand the issues to effectively respond in a manner to which we can take your views seriously. Dude, ya not helping.
When I was studying for my HSC, some doofus was riding up and down my street on a pocket bike.
I walked down the street and tied a rope to a tree, the other end to a house brick (the ones with the 3 holes are preferred) and strung the rope slack across the street.
A few cars passed over the rope unhindered until the doofus on the pocket bike approached. I conspicuously pulled the rope taught and held the brick prominently, giving the doofus plenty of time to slow down (I didn't actually want to hurt him, just to send a message). He stopped, looked bewildered and communicated something unintelligible to me. I then let him have it (verbally) and he rode away.
I retrieved my apparatus, walked home and continued studying.
2 or so hours later, said doofus or perhaps a friend returned on a sports bike to ride up and down the street continually. But by that time I had finished studying and was watching TV. So I was quietly content in the facts that the doofus(es) were now wasting their own time and wouldn't be receiving the response they sought.
Tough guy in the building!! Please tell us more off-topic stories about how you threatened murder
I've noticed most of these stupidly loud bikes are Harley's with pot bellied middle age men sat astride them generally wearing jeans and t shirt, presumably deaf.
Edit: my exhaust has removable baffles (not bought for that reason) and why would I want to remove them? It'd only annoy my neighbours and make me look like a tool.
Harley Davidson the only motor bike built to sound good rather than perform
True. Rubbish bikes for idiots.
Harley Davidson the only motor bike built to sound good rather than perform
Not sure about the 'sound good' part. Definitely built to be loud as hell, but they just sound like 'loud noise' compared to most other loud bikes/cars, which can sound amazing.
Agree. Everytime i hear these noisy bikes I think of the biker as just an another TOOL who has nothing else to show.
They have the biggest power to noise ratio. All that horse power converted to noise.
But as I mention previously, a stock harley is very quiet
it's terrible, once a week in sydney cbd a small gang of bikes go down liverpool street revving their engines sounding like ferraris at 10-12pm. it's downright noise pollution at that time of the night. on christmas eve they all dressed up as santa and there were about 100 bikes revving down liverpool street in cbd
Oh the horror.
Ahhh South Park the highest and lowest forms of comedy mixed into one. It's beautiful to watch.
OP, take heart that in ten years, internal combustion engines for small vehicles (including motorcycles) will quite likely be outlawed altogether.
Then we can live in a nightmare of near-silent electric vehicles sneaking up on noise-cancelled pedestrians. Inevitably, this will be followed by a cacophony of synthetic sound effects required by legislation because knee-jerk lawmakers.
Think of the children!
a cacophony of synthetic sound effects required by legislation because knee-jerk lawmakers
And they will make sure the only legal synthetic sound effect will be this
Police do go after excessively noisy vehicles, I have seen video footage of police pulling over a typical bikie and questioning it, then ordering it to be modified to be quieter. But it's not a priority and I think there might be unspoken directives about engaging/hassling different gang members at certain times.
There is a guy with a very loud road bike (sounds tough) and normally Id love the sound but when the guy roars around all hours of the day and night and you can hear him for miles, this is where I draw the line. wish I could get the cops onto him, he live near me somewhere.
Harleys with straight through Exhausts, too loud, it not fair for everyone else, do they not even care?
Thank goodness there are not many Hyundais around with Fart cannons nowadays…
I think that your problem is your living situation next to a highway… not the loud vehicles themselves
"They never knew, that I - could - be - so cooool!"
This realistic reenactment (from Grease 2) demonstrates that both ladies and gents will swoon for mysterious quiet types on a motorbike. You've somehow escaped this universal human response.
Hold on GUYS. I know how it feels like.
To be frank, I'm a hardcore fan of Grand Prix. I have been to Malaysian GP, Indian GP and even Australian GP but still I can't tolerate this irritating noise around Sydney roads. I never wear ear plugs while watching the race on the circuit because I freaking love that wroom,.. wroom,.. sound but certainly not this!
I lose my temper when morons push their bikes/cars on the first gear with full throttle. Can't help it, I know.
Then move.
If you went into this unit knowing there's a highway nearby then you have no one's sympathy.
If you didnt know, then you still have no ones sympathy, you'd didnt do a google map search before you went in.
Your only choice is to move. Or continue to have nightmares (!!!)
You could pull up a chair next to the highway and take down all the numberplates you dont like but then would you seriously take notice of people who ask you to do this?
Your happiness is your choice alone.
I dont necessarily disagree with this but when push comes to shove, why dont you say that to their faces?
Lots of passive aggressive types here who love to complain about noise from the safety of their browsers.
I have nightmares, people!
I ride a bike and I also hate harley riders. But I do agree with your keyboard warrior comments.
there is….defect notice