A small Christmas thank you from the team at Cashrewards to all our fantastic members with an increase from 1.25% to 2.00% sitewide at eBay Australia. Great time to stack with 15% off gift cards and 20% off wine & spirits (which both end midnight Sunday), as well as anything else on eBay. Ends 6pm AEDT Monday. Enjoy :)
$10 for referee and $10 for referrer, after referee makes $20 purchase within 14 days.
And the reason you don't want it on ozb is because you care about how they make money, otherwise you wouldn't comment on their margins and how they are middlemen :)
Your first comment is an attack on their profit margin and their business model, as well as anger directed towards advertising on a completely community voted website for visibility. Your reasoning is based off a vindictive mindset about how much profits you think they make, and an incorrect judgement of the morality of such a business (of whom is wholly supported by and benefits consumer, middleman and supplier). Just because you don't want them on ozbargain (minority) doesn't mean 200 others don't.
They dont pay for any sizeable purchase.
My first purch via CR was gift cards ($700).
Not supposed to pay out according to T&Cs but it did :)
Advertising.
and it ends midnight. what happens after, Another Advertisement ?
I used cashrewards and had no prob with the tiny tiny amount accumulated over months. As a regular ebayer i have gathered around $200+ from CR (though it used to be more than 1.25%).
Nevertheless, those small pennies add up.
An honest plus from a satisfied customer who will try to get few more cents out if CR…
I don't think the people complaining are saying that it isn't a good thing. It's just not a bargain in the spirit of OzBargain.
ShopandMint is always 2% cash back, no 'promotion' needed. Should be a forum post.
try claiming your cash backs with them…………
What's with the negs? Don't like it, don't use it, simple, no need to winged about it, just move on.
I don't want non-bargains on mah front page.
Quite embarrassing that a once prominent poster of good deals has been reduced to this drivel, it must be hard for you posting this advertisement but I guess you have to keep the boss happy.
Money talks.
Being employed by them probably has something to do with it l0l.
I just came to count the negs. Good night
If this was any regular post for an item sold at $100 RRP and has a discount for an hour of 75 cents then I doubt it would get so many positive votes.
If only the rba had taken 0.75% of last week.now that would've been deal.
I seriously doubt MODs objective of allowing this no deal to remain here? When is this going to be moved to forum?
It has never been moderator practice to move a deal to forums just because a discount is judged not to be a good deal - that's what the votes are for. If you find a deal breaching deal posting guidelines, please report it using the report link.
Have to say, if I posted something up that was now up to 0.75% off for one day only, it would get moved to forums or at worst, deleted. I can't see that 75 cents back in every $100 as any deal or incentive with stories of people constantly taking months to get their cash back or they didn't hold their lips the right way and turn their head at the right time while sitting upside down when they opened the site. It's all too convoluted and a waste of time to give your details to rewards sites for a meagrely 0.75% for a limited time.
Sorry TA, usually love the bargains to post here, but this is not a bargain.
75 cents on top of $1.25 on top of $15 off RRP of gift cards per $100 is a deal, on top of being the most popular shopping website in Australia. These increases coincide with eBay or AliExpress sales in order to give you an even further discount.
If there was no eBay sale and CR didn't offer any base discount and it was not for such a popular all encompassing shopping website such as eBay you'd have a point. You can present anything in a bad light if you try hard enough.
GoCatch is giving $5 off a ride (nothing really in the grand scheme of things) of a ride as pure advertising knowing it costs them virtually nothing and a significant portion of people will continue to utilise their service, but you don't see people crying and complaining there. Freebie deal posts make it to the top that cost nothing. Yet when someone posts a 2% discount on top of a very decent sale that already exists on the most popular website in Australia it's blasphemy and must be moved to forums. Okay Jeffrey.
It's not even hard to click or track either. It's a login, one search and one click. All of mine have gone through no problem, on things that I would have purchased anyway. You make it sound like its rocket science. If you decide to purchase something solely because it's 0.75% off that is your choice, however don't bring up a strawman asserting that 0.75cents off $100 is not worth the time. 75 cents per $100 is excellent on top of the current base discount and eBay sales and the fact that you can buy gift cards to purchase things that are also on sale, or that some of the gift cards are rare enough to never go on sale at these prices.
Someone who was planning to dine at Quay or est or purchase something expensive from DJ going to be very happy with their mere further $5-$10 saving. The further is a very important part.
My major point was, if anyone other than TA posted this, it would have been downvoted to oblivion, deleted or moved to the forum, which it was last time.
It's 0.75% off extra for one day. And I guess technically, you are correct. If I was planning on going out and buying a $6000 UHD, 80" Samsung ULED TV, that 0.75% really comes into play (an extra $45 off). But let's face it, 99% of people on here were not impulse buying $6000 TV's or were waiting around for CR to get a 0.75% bump for a few hours.
And you just have to read here on OzB the amount of people who mysteriously did something obscure and caused their cashback to not stick or they have to wait months for any return if they did manage to spin in their chair three times, pat their head and rub their belly at the same time.
And you do get the concept of free versus next to nothing off, don't you? Free is 100% off. 0.75% off is like, the opposite end of that scale. So, great comparison.
Onto why Gocatch gets upvotes. $5 off a $20 ride is 25% off. To make that $5 worth 0.75%, I would have to take a ride that cost $666.66. Great, if I wanted to go from Sydney to Brisbane I guess (or how ever far $600+ would take me.) and if their usual $5 off was bumped up and extra 0.75% for 24 hours to a whopping $5.04 and a post made here about it, it would get a rather different reception, unless of course the usual celebrity posters put it up here.
0.75% off a home loan is great news! 0.75% extra cash back that is only available for 24 hours and may take months to be rewarded if you even managed to jump through all the hoops and getting 170+ upvotes is horse shi… I would ask, you get the point?, but I know you won't, just as I will never see yours…
it would have been downvoted to oblivion, deleted or moved to the forum, which it was last time.
It was moved to the forum because the OP (Firey1989)of that requested it, see Hamza23's comment
Comment for request of move to forum is here
Stop using debunked misinformation flying around to prove your point.
And you just have to read here on OzB the amount of people who mysteriously did something obscure and caused their cashback to not stick or they have to wait months for any return if they did manage to spin in their chair three times, pat their head and rub their belly at the same time.
With over 14M paid out, clearly the system works for a lot of people.
I've got around $90 so far. It works for me everytime for ebay, aliexpress, wiggle, geekbuying, woolworths (technically not a cashback). Yeah, smaller stores have issues (easyflowers, adrenaline).
I've ran into issues as well, nothing is perfect, but they have been rectified every time.
Report it, and you may have a chance of getting it fixed and paid out.
Don't report an issue and it will NEVER get fixed.
Your reasons for negging are:
- if anyone other than TA posted this, you aren't supposed to neg based on a user
- it was moved last time, see above. It was a user request (firey1989), nothing to do with CashRewards team.
- CashRewards does not work 'mysteriously', it does for major sites, I have adblockers on.. it still tracks. Something's wrong on your end, PEKBAC. Save your receipts, report the issue, submit a did-not-track ticket. Also, before you make your purchase, try and add everything to cart/wishlist, so that the clicks between Cashrewards click through page, to adding your desired items to cart and payment is as minimal as possible. If you open a new tab and pay through there, that's your fault.
- wait months for any return, the stores need to make sure you didn't return the item first. There's a waiting period. Or it would be open for abuse, buy 100 items, get the cashback in two minutes, return 100 items. Repeat. This is the same with all cashback offers.
- And you do get the concept of free versus next to nothing off, don't you? Free is 100% off. 0.75% off is like, the opposite end of that scale., well there's the five finger discount everyday. Free criminal record as well, that one's 100% free! How is this a valid reason for neg? It's not listed as a freebie.
@cwongtech: Did you miss the point where I said I'm not going to convince anyone and I'm not going to be convinced?
I tried reading your post, but I got about one paragraph in and thought… oh, ok, and then promptly fell asleep.
I have made my point. I am not going to convince anyone who doesn't want to be. And likewise, you and your ilk are not going to convince me.
Point in case is; a 0.75% increase for 24 hours on a cash back site, such as CR or any of the other sites of the same nature is hardly front page worthy, let alone worth 170+ votes. Unless of course that extra $45 appeals to you on that $6000 tv you were looking at buying. Pretty sure I could haggle more out of a $6000 tv in store.
No offence to TA here, he/she brings a lot of great deals to this site. LOTS! And I am thankful for those times. It's just, this is not one of them. And if I had have posted this, you think I would have gotten 170+ upvotes? Next 75¢ off $100 bargain I find, I'll be sure to post it for the whole community.
Anyway, I am sure I will get round to reading the rest of your diatribe one day. It's on my list of "to read" right after reading the bible backwards.
It's on my list of "to read" right after reading the bible backwards.
Thanks mate, I made it to your list :D
Did you miss the point where I said I'm not going to convince anyone and I'm not going to be convinced?
You missed the point that being uncooperative gets you nowhere.
I have made my point. I am not going to convince anyone who doesn't want to be. And likewise, you and your ilk are not going to convince me.
I addressed every one of your so-called "points" if you can even consider them that, given you my view as a fellow OzBargainer who has had success and experience in the service CR offers.
The pen is mightier than the.. pitchfork.
Pretty sure I could haggle more out of a $6000 tv in store.
Can you haggle in eBay though? That's the difference. Also, if you can buy a TV for less than $6000, it wasn't worth $6000 anyway. Only suckers pay that price, we're professionals here!
Next 75¢ off $100 bargain I find, I'll be sure to post it for the whole community.
If it's for any of the cheapest sites like Amazon, Aliexpress, or any site which you have no control over prices (cheapest deal for fuel!) I will very be appreciative of it!
@cwongtech: #yawn# don't even know why I'm bothering, but sure, feeding the trolls is free…
You missed the point where being uncooperative gets you nowhere
You missed the point where I said I cannot be convinced otherwise, so anything you or your breatheren have to say is a moot point. And likewise, anything I say won't magically make you switch sides. That's just life.
Can you haggle in eBay though ?
Yes, and I quite often do. I will message a seller and ask them if this price I have in mind is acceptable. Although, I usually ask for smaller amounts than 0.75% off. That's just greedy…
At least I can rest easy knowing if I can get 75¢ off that $100 for 24 hours only, I can count on your up vote and unwavering support.
Most people receive their cashback fine. You make it sound like it is rocket science that is extremely difficult/flaky and that the majority of people don't receive or get their cashback tracked when this is not true. It's like saying you have to do a Voodoo ritual to get an Australia Post parcel arrive because you read a few complaints online even though the huge majority of parcels make it fine.
Free is 100% off. But 100% off does not automatically make something a good deal - you are trading your personal information for something that is worth almost nothing. As an example, check out the deals with samples where you trade your personal data. This is why I brought up freebies as Top Deals (when the item is almost worth nothing). You will support such a deal, but not a deal that furthers a good sale such as eBay cashback on 15% off giftcards.
Sure, the GoCatch deal is okay, but its extremely normal. One time $5 off rideshare services is nothing to write home about and it is only upvoted because people really only see face value. To utilise it, you have to take a ride, which sometimes is more than $5, especially if you are an existing user and can not take advantage of first time discounts. The current discount for new users is also less than what it usually is to accompany the promotion (it has been $20 and $25 many times). For many people (most people are new users) this is 0% increase relative to what it was last week ($20). If you want to look at what the base is then don't be hypocritical and ignore the base cashback from eBay. If we evaluated deals like you guys are evaluating this one, the GoCatch promo is 0% difference from what it normally is, sometimes even MINUS 20% of the value it is sometimes. But we evaluate BOTH the BASE value and the added value of what is available at the time as well as concurrent promotions - e.g. concurrent referral bonus in GoCatch or concurrent eBay promotion on gift cards/alcohol.
Why am I comparing these to the eBay deal you might ask? In comparison, spending $200 on eBay is simply one item for most people (they sell almost everything), that is $4 of cashback right there. Spending $200 on rideshare is not the same and not as easy or everyday as spending $200 on eBay/gift cards. That is a bad analogy. If $5 is such a big deal to you guys on such a big condition such as having to take a ride (which is ONLY useful for existing users and people that actually need it and actually utilise full value of it and were likely going to make purchases anyway and for new users is equal to or even less of what the usual first time discount is), then this deal should have no problem getting upvotes the same as the GoCatch deal.
If it doesn't matter that the base value was already 1.25%, and it doesn't matter that eBay was already running a sale, and it doesn't matter that the site is eBay, then GoCatch should also be called out for running such a normal promo on rideshare whilst simultaneously reducing the referral price. On top of that rideshare in Australia for Australians is such a niche novelty service that existing users are possibly losing money from taking the deal by taking rides they don't need. So I find it quite insane that such a limited time deal such as the GoCatch deal is receiving so much attention while an already very good deal on gift cards leading to even further 2% discount is getting complaints.
It doesn't matter how long a deal is available for, because the deal was meant to accompany an existing sale on gift cards and alcohol. This sale was very good on certain gift cards, and possibly the only time you'll ever find them at this price again. To get an extra 2% on top that is stackable is a great deal. Small percentages matter when combined with a base percentage. Good deal finders must evaluate all factors and all promotions on at the time as well as seeing what is stackable and what is compared to the normal price.
As an example, Dick Smith had a 17% off April Fools code while also running an Xbox One sale promotion being the cheapest of them all, which received heavy upvotes (and rightly so) despite the 'usual' discount being 16% the week before. The fact that the Xbox One was already being sold for the cheapest of all retail stores made this a very popular deal. A further $3.5 off $349 is very worthwhile because the deal is already very good and most people were going to purchase anyway, as well as the item costing a lot which is easy to do at retail stores such as this or eBay (but harder with rideshare and only a one time discount for a very limited time). These small increases are worth a lot, lot more when accompanied by an amazing sale. To me, many of the gift cards on this deal were GREAT, as it was for many, many others. They were objectively great because they are the highest they've ever been, with the highest limit available to purchase. 2% is like a cherry on top, especially if we can be quite comfortable that a company such as this will pay out.
@takutox: Didn't see you mention "strawman" once in this reply. But lets face it, I didn't read all of it. Just know that I lost a wager. If only I had an extra 0.75% cash back to ease my wager woes…
Most of it is blah blah blah.. Oh, here is something interesting. So something for free isn't always a deal if it costs your personal information, but 0.75% cash back is ok?? Free item for information, or paid item with a 0.75% "extra" cash back… free item v's 0.75% discount… please don't tell me you have anything to do with maths/finance or marketing for a living…
Mostly regurgitated garbage after that and typical internet making up stories about things I didn't say or cover manupilation, such as the initial 1.25%. I never said anything about that being a good deal or not, as it is not relevant to this 0.75% 24hour fire sale deal listed here… a wise man once said this…
You pick one random thing I've said (THIRD PARTY LOL, TENFOLD LOL), take it out of context, attack it, and think you are providing good points against my core argument.
Just so you get what I have been saying all along, I'm going to make a TL:DR, just for you.
TL:DR; 0.75% on top for 24 hours only is NOT a deal NOR is it worthy of 170+ upvotes and a place on the front page. I am sure if a not so well known OzB member had have listed a 0.75% extra off deal, it would have been flamed and downvoted to obivion.
I am sure I will value the extra $1.50 on my $200 eBay purchase and will spend it wisely. 5/7 for your posts though, great work.
Excellent responses completely devoid of logical reasoning - 'hahaha 0.75% is nothing because 0.75% nothing hahaha i would be rich with 0.75% hahaha you have no 0.75% hahaha i have no 0.75% to wager hahaha'
Oh, and don't forget the ad hominem
'please don't tell me you have anything to do with maths/finance or marketing' 'regurgitated garbage typical internet making stories' 'i didn't read any of it' 'didn't see you mention strawman once in this reply'
Basically, your entire response is the scene in Billy Madison. Nothing is coherent, everything is an attack or attempt to belittle (with no logical reasoning or reply). You provide no reasons for your responses where as I have completely rebuttled you. This is why your ego directs you to try and fail to insult me.
Yeah. I valued the extra $1.50 on top of the extra $2.50 on top of the extra $30 of my $200 eBay purchase. It is funny you question my mathematical skills as cumulative discounts and taking all factors into equation must not be your strong suit.
It is also embarrassingly obvious you have a personal vendetta with TA and his success. May I suggest you hash it out with him instead of finding more passive aggressive ways to detract from his glory? Blaming people upvoting this deal because of the poster reeks of jealousy and ego. Stop spreading lies and BS fuelled by hate - you already got called out on it before with your fairytale reason why another deal was moved to forums.
@takutox: Your rambling is showing that you are fishing around the Vegimite jar for the last skerricks of the black goo to make your invalid point a little less invalid. Problem is, you need a new jar.
Since you have nothing to actually offer or add, but to lower yourself to snide remarks and passive aggressive commentary, I will make this as simple as I can.
0.75% extra for 24 hours is RUBBISH. It is NOT worthy of 170+ votes, it is NOT worthy of front page status. It is spam at best.
For the record, I love TA. TA never ceases to amaze me with where they get their deals from. Almost like insider trading it's so good, top quality and so fast to be posted. I have complimented TA many times in the past on excellent deals that I have upvoted and purchased from. This, however, is NOT one of them.
For the record, I have never mentioned that CR is garbage. I think it is a great service for those that use it and get benefit from it. I do not use it. I do not benefit from it. But adding 0.75% for "24 hours" isnt enticing me to join. And quite frankly, is NOT front page worthy, NOR 170+ upvotes worthy.
Last of all, because you don't read, or refuse to read and absorb what I am saying, this isn't against TA. This is against a 0.75% cashback reward program that got upvoted based on a users popularity. If any number of other popular users posted this, my comments would be the same. 0.75% is saving mere pennies… This is OzBargain, not OzMcScrooge.
Final point, cause you're just being a troll now, is this. If you found out this information and posted it before TA did (Impossible, but let's just live in this town called Hypothetical for a moment.), do you seriously think that it would have garnered over 170 upvotes? No.
So, stop being a fanboi, stop being a troll, there are not enough hours in your life time that you will ever convince me otherwise. Me, on the other hand, don't care what you think. You can disagree with me all you like. I'm not here to convince you that you are wrong. I'm only here to state that my opinion is my own and that by no stretch of the imagination is 0.75% extra for 24hours is anywhere near a "deal" or a "bargain" no matter how you try and spin it.
You don't care what I think, but wrote an essay full of nothing new but logical fallacies. Alright bud.
Look, a poster that is not TA nor a notable or popular poster posting about 1.25% cashback on eBay
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/208440
Oh look, 200 upvotes
Okay, keep telling yourself you just don't have bias against popular posters success :) The first/main thing you mentioned is an attack on TA, whereas I'm arguing from a point of view where I don't even care who posted it i.e. you were the one that brought it up. And you're dead wrong, lel. Most people I know who visit OzB don't even know or care about TA or any other posters or who they are, myself included. I just look at the deal.
Once you're dead wrong about 2 things and making up all kinds of myths, don't you ever figure its time to stop posting BS?
@takutox: The old "logical fallacies" again eh? No doubt you just discovered the term, now you've got to get a handle on what it actually means lest you fall into the same hole as you did trying to argue with me. You're resilient I'll give you that. Can't recall having read so much waffle in such a short time since Malcolm Turnbull attempted to explain his backflip on climate change, marriage equality, or Jobson Grothe.
@takutox: Holy dead posts Batman! Had to go back into the archives for that little nugget.
Anyway, again, another invalid example. This post was 0.75% for 24 hours. That example was from 18 months ago and is so convoluted that I cant even make sense of what OP was trying to say. So much strikethrough it's hard to keep up. It certainly wasn't for a 0.75% for 24 hours.
And here is a word for you. Add it to your collection along side "strawman" that you just learnt. "Shill". As in, "You sir, are nothing but a shill ;)"
ps: 0.75% is still not really an "awesome!!" bargain…
LOL.
Lost the argument in the other post, bandwagoning other boyfriend.
Two people with fragile egos trying to insult someone online. Get that ego back, boys. :)
KEyboard warrioring is srs bzness
@takutox: Your opinion is it was lost. My opinion is it's a zero sum game. You have your opinion, shill based and fanboi as it is, has devolved into childish, incoherent commentary. It isn't about win or lose, right or wrong. The only keyboard warrior here is you with your constant replies and text walls of incomprehensible ramblings. But going off reservation and not even talking about the subject at all has no relevance to the original topic.
lol, keyboard warriors who have to insult people every 2 sentences.
ok ok, you're tough. hahhahah
@takutox: Did someone once/twice/thrice cry about ad hominem attacks? Lol, you'd be the perfect fit for a Trump fanboi. You've assaulted the language, brutalised elementary arithmetic, offended the concept of logic, and embraced hypocrisy without realising it. Can't be much left in that no-trick bag but to put the jammies on and kiss the Donald doll goodnight.
@takutox: I am happy to debate the merits of the 0.75% deal that was posted here, but I refuse to lower myself to trading petty nonsense.
If you wish to continue with the conversation, I will indulge you in private chat and in a civil manner, but only if it is on topic and about the validity of my negative vote and why I posted my thoughts.
lmfao at one taking the high road and the other getting mad that they were getting called out on ad hominem attacks.
scroll up to your posts. you guys can't even go one paragraph without trying to belittle someone.
fix that ego ASAP boyz :)
lelelel
@takox: good god man(?). Show some mercy. There's only so much badly dressed twaddle anyone can stand. Donald would be proud though.
LOL.
your ego fixed yet? we can keep going all night bae bae til you feel all better inside :)
Thanks all lets end it there, this discussion has gone on longer than the deal itself.
Not a bargain by eBay standards nowadays.
This is a privately run site and if they want to be in cahoots with the Cash Rewards outfit, that's their prerogative. It only impacts on the legitimacy and long term viability of this site and doesn't affect your life one little bit, so no need to get your knickers in a bunch, folks.
This is a privately run site and if they want to be in cahoots with the Cash Rewards outfit, that's their prerogative
Considering that CR has been able to negotiate deals, it DOES benefit OzB users (members or not), saving us money, I'd say they have contributed to this site far more than most members commenting and negatively voting on this thread, which is by the way against the negative voting guidelines available here.
It only impacts on the legitimacy and long term viability of this site
Not sure what you mean by this. What's illegitimate about this, it's a bonus saving on one of the largest website for obtaining cheap goods?
Long term viability of OzBargain does not depend on CR, but the bargains and its quality being posted by members.
There are many members here who do not contribute at all to OzBargain in terms of submitting deals or constructive criticism.
"There are many members here who do not contribute at all to OzBargain in terms of submitting deals or constructive criticism."
So what. Arguably the most important contribution anyone can make is BUYING, preferably sensibly. Using this "deal" as a model, OzB would be inundated with "offers" which save a few cents but which are little more than business hooks, eg special offers on cars (free rego etc), including low interest rates.
It goes without saying that TA is a hugely valuable deal poster. Nevertheless this is a bad precedent, despite the votes.
So what. Arguably the most important contribution anyone can make is BUYING, preferably sensibly.
I'm confused here. How is buying contributing to OzBargain?
Using this "deal" as a model, OzB would be inundated with "offers" which save a few cents but which are little more than business hooks, eg special offers on cars (free rego etc), including low interest rates.
Nothing is ever really "free" when it comes to bonuses with purchases.
Buy one get one free? Yeah right, you're paying for the second when you buy the first.
However in this case, the price of whatever you are buying from eBay stays constant.
The eBay sellers that increase their prices during 20% off eBay sales DESERVE to get negged because their price jacking decreases the actual amount saved.
This is different.
There's no price-jacking.
@cwongtech: VERY confused, obviously, and completely unaware of internet business models to boot it seems. If $0.75 off a $100 purchase is deemed a bargain on this website then it's on the slippery slope. The poster has a huge amount of stored credibility, nevertheless it's at risk with spam like this.
If $0.75 off a $100 purchase is deemed a bargain on this website then it's on the slippery slope.
If it was any other store apart from ebay, amazon or aliexpress, then yeah it would be a slippery slope.
If they jacked prices on ebay to compensate for this promo, then yeah, that's poor form.
But they didn't
I'm still confused how "buying" will contribute to OzBargain.
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@cwongtech: Chateau's comment was a starting point to improving your knowledge, even if his last phrase is optimistic. You read it but still don't understand? Ask Scotty how his business works.
Whether prices were "jacked up" by 0.075 in the dollar or not is a nonsense argument in trying to justify the "deal".
Chateau's comment was a starting point to improving your knowledge, even if his last phrase is optimistic.
It's eBay we're talking about here, not your average run of the mill store.
The reason why 2% is even considered a discount is because it's eBay. The reason why 1.5% of credit card points are valuable is because you can buy almost everything to accumulate it - eBay is similar in a sense.
You cannot use any other analogy such as a car marketing deal because they are not on the level, popularity or variety of items of eBay. You can use an alike analogy such as Amazon cashback, but that would likely receive an equal amount of upvotes if it also accompanied a sale for gift cards/alcohol. You also cannot use any analogy that doesn't take advantage of a third party, further discount on top of any existing discounts.
So please, use an analogy that actually applies to the situation.
@takutox: Seriously? A car loan rate discount (eg 'no interest until' etc) could easily be a "third party" deal stacked on top of a dealer discount, stacked on top of a manufacturer deal. That however is totally irrelevant, as is the fact that the miserly cashback increase related to ebay. Would it be less relevant if it applied to cheap grog at Dan's for example? Rhetorical question. The only factor is the value of the deal and this is clearly worth sfa. No doubt you look forward to every increase in cashback being posted as a deal.
Nice strawman. You are making out that I asserted that a third party link automatically means something is a good discount (or that I brought it up because it is in any way related to whether something is a good discount) when that is not the main point I was making. Nice try though. Feel free to continue to take what I say out of context though.
Obviously, the fact that something is discounted by a third party does not automatically make a good deal - this is a strawman you are attacking and something I did not say. however, trying to apply an analogy that does not involve a third party universal cashback on an already excellently discounted deal is not an alike analogy. This is the point I was making. The fact that a discount applies to more things does make it more relevant. This is why accumulation of CC points are as popular as they are.
If the car deal in question genuinely was already decently priced (in comparison to what you can purchase at other dealers or other brands, or the dealer in question was a place where we all shop anyway because it already has decent prices), and the third party discount applied was even further, your car example would also actually be a good deal, but not as popular as an eBay or Amazon deal due to the limited target market.
Things to ask yourself are - is the discount off the car already significantly good (like it is with 15% off gift cards on eBay?). Also, is the site geared towards more of a purchase you would make anyway? And can this discount apply to a huge variety of everyday purchases that you would make anyway and on a brand/site that you shop on anyway?
A better analogy in this situation is 2% off every car you buy off almost any dealer in the country. eBay has a similar power in that it is competitive, sells almost every item you could think of and is already used by everyone here. On top of that there is an actual real 15% gift card sale.
To compare a random car 'deal' to this deal is taking the piss on ozbargainers intelligence and a terrible analogy. I await to see what logical fallacies you will employ next.
The value of this deal is a further $2 per $100 on top of decent sales for a very everyday website. The fact it is eBay and that eBay is running a sale increases the value of this deal tenfold. This is why such a small percentage as 5% for WISH cards is so popular - fuel and groceries. This is why CC points are popular - you can buy almost anything. And it is why eBay deals are so popular. You can not bring up terrible analogies that are not alike in order to make your point as deals are evaluated on a case by case basis and depends entirely on the exact product, percentage and other circumstances surrounding the deal (like a currently running actual sale on gift cards).
And yes, I sure as hell look forward to CR cash back increases when a sale is already running. Any extra money helps. The value of $2 per $100 to you might be nothing. To me, it is a very welcome deal that just pushes the worthiness envelope for me that $1.25 might have not :)
@takutox: 7 paragraphs of waffle and you're still no closer to reality. You made a ludicrous claim regarding my analogy. I cleared it up for you with two examples (cashback fluctuates on DMs every now and then as I'm sure you're aware(?)).
You also seem to have missed the (cough) "value" of this deal - and it ain't 2% as you believe - which itself would be laughed at for many other deals posted on OzB.
Don't know where you did your schooling but a cashback increase of 0.75% is unlikely in the extreme to ever increase the value of any deal "tenfold".
But enough of this nonsense. You think it's a fabulous deal, some of us think it shouldn't be posted as a deal. The arguments have been made without the need for further irrelevant fluff - including mine.
Here come the ad hominem attacks instead of any actual logical reply. E.g. 7 paragraphs of waffle aka 'shut up you're wrong lalala!'.
Your analogy is nothing like this situation. A random deal with free rego on a random unspecified car with no context or information is not 'clearing up' with examples. Your analogy is ludicrous.
Also you clearly have reading comprehension issues. I stated that the fact it was eBay (being such a popular and everyday site) increased the value tenfold. Read the sentence instead of making up absolute bull and putting it in my mouth. Such would be the same if a credit card chose to offer an extra % in points back compared to other CC.
2% on a deal is 2%, especially if there is a great concurrent sale. The fact that was 'always the case' (I.e. 1.25% beforehand) does not make something not a deal. If you did your maths 2% is 2%. If a credit card company goes from 1.5% back in points to 2.25% back, that's a deal, even more of a deal because you can use it for everyday common purchases. Same for eBay. That is 2.25% of value for that CC, still much higher than other CCs. If KFC gave three sides on their survey instead of two, the value of the survey or deal would still be three sides. If eBay runs a 15% gift card deal and CR runs a 2%, that is near 17% of value from the combined deal.
No other business will be able to 0.75% cash back increase and get upvotes, because they are not (profanity) eBay. So bringing up stupid analogies and pretending they are eBay is just fluff. You wanna talk analogies use Amazon or credit cards, both fields in which 0.75% further disc (2% absolute) would be extremely decent. Also make sure they already have amazing sales on like 15% off rare GCs. 0.75% further with 1.25% base is significant on super sites like these.
My arguments are sound and logical, it's you who are adding fluff contributing with terrible potato analogies and pretending base value, business in question (eBay) and other circumstances (such as current promotions) have no effect on the validity of a deal.
@takutox: You not only need lessons in basic arithmetic but also on how this site runs. Deals are valid on the basis of NORMAL price or offering. For example if DM usually have a slab of beer at $40 (rrp say $60) and drop the price temporarily to $38 the saving is $2 or 5%, NOT $22/37%. Otherwise we'd be inundated with rubbish - and illegal - claims and "offers". In this "deal's" case the value is a whopping 75c per $100 spent.
Your love affair with "amazing" Ebay is personal choice, the fact that it blinds you to both the ACTUAL value of this dealt and its place on OzB suggests you have a lot to learn.
Cashback fluctuates regularly, and sometimes with far better offers than 75c in every $100. Under this model, presumably every change now becomes a "deal" worth posting. That will devalue the site "tenfold". My advice - take all unsubstantiated claims and gross exaggerations (like the previous sentence) with a grain of salt, and don't upvote "deals" worth sfa, no matter who posts them.
You need lessons in basic arithmetic. 15% off gift cards that can only normally be found for 10% off rarely is a good deal (DJ, Good Food, Best Restaurants etc.). Add 2% to the mix and that becomes nearly 17% off. Like you said, it doesn't matter whether the discount comes from the third party since it is virtually a cumulative discount that sweetens a good deal that already exists - if eBay was not running a sale then there would be less reason to upvote this. The actual value of this deal is that it stacks on top of the eBay sale, so the actual value is that it is 2% further on top of what eBay is offering (which is already good).
It is a logical fallacy and strawman to assert that every change will now become a "deal" worth posting. The fact that you can't see that your arguments consist of low level logical fallacies begs the question of what point you are trying to make. It is quite childish to say 'oh, you upvoted an eBay deal for 0.75% extra while a sale was already on, that means you will upvote any deal where cashback changes or fluctuates'. This is not true in any sense and you simply ignore what points I have made. At this point you are banging your head against the wall with incorrect analogies and false assertions. OzB almost never upvote any cashback changes/fluctuations this small unless there is a good reason to i.e. a good sale is on. It isn't going to magically change because one eBay deal was upvoted that would allow us to receive 2% on top of 15% off gift cards.
Another example is if Xbox One on release has a special sale being sold by Dick Smith for $299 (which is already the cheapest), and Dick Smith offers a 16% further off code in response (say for April Fools) that is normally 15% off. This is a worthwhile deal because it is a further discount on top of an existing sale and it would receive plenty upvotes, and rightly so. This is also a real scenario that would not have been as supported had the Xbox One not be priced so greatly. See how an actual similar analogy works? Pretending that the base value doesn't make a difference when the item already has a good price and that the sales surrounding the deal don't matter is ignorant. This is a real example
I don't have a lot to learn, I KNOW the discount is good/the best (especially for multiple cards) as I am a regular user/diner with the cards. The best you can get is a 10% discount every year or so. On certain occasions I have been able to stack these cards with an existing discount (such as Dimmi) to get a super discount. It is also one of the only ways you can get to fine dining at Quay or EST, and the biggest DJ discount you'll find. Certain alcohol is also very well priced and the $2 per $100 is very welcome.
There are no gross exaggerations. Tenfold is an expression, and sadly in this case, actually does apply to the situation. An eBay deal when there is already a sale on (say, 15-20% off on items that have not had their prices boosted) is going to receive much more attention than another business. A 0.75% increase on Dan Murphys cashback is extremely limited in both value and range, and unless it coincides with a super deal on certain alcohol would not receive much positive reaction. The utility of a deal such as this is that it can apply to both useful things (i.e. gift cards of a variety of ranges and alcohol for the christmas period) as well as everyday items on eBay. The main reason this cashback increase is receiving so many upvotes is because there is already an eBay sale on.
If eBay already had a sale on 10% sitewide, any cashback increase would become much more relevant - as further discounts to an already good discount, because it is likely most people would already be purchasing items. It is a logical fallacy to assert that only the change matters, and no circumstances surrounding the change don't matter at all, nor does the store that is offering the change. It's like closing off all of your brain and looking at a percentage rather than the actual value of the combined deal and all of the factors.
You don't get how this site runs mate. Discounts like this work when there is already a sale (and a good one, at that). They also work more when the total value is high (e.g. 3 sides from KFC survey vs 2 sides = 3 sides of value still) They don't work if they are announced randomly with nothing accompanying them at a random store that is probably just having a fake sale through marketing means (such as free car rego with no other context).
@takutox: The value of this deal is 75c in $100. That you believe (keyword) otherwise is irrelevant.
Some advice on your use of the terms logical fallacy and straw man. Learn what they mean before you trot them out out. Numerical problems are one thing, misuse of language entirely another
And this is where you give up your argument and resort to ad hominem and more strawman :)
Everytime people respond like this you know you've won.
I know exactly what logical fallacy and strawman mean, because your posts are textbook markers of them. You pick one random thing I've said (THIRD PARTY LOL, TENFOLD LOL), take it out of context, attack it, and think you are providing good points against my core argument. You use logical fallacies such as 'oh, if this was upvoted, everyone would upvote any cashback fluctuations'
That you believe (keyword) that the fact that the site is eBay doesn't matter, that the fact there is a sale on doesn't matter, that the base value doesn't matter, is truly irrelevant.
Now the argument from your side has devolved into pure banter with no logical content.
@takutox: I did hope you'd just misused the terms as show but both examples above suggest a total lack of understanding of their meaninmg and usage. I'd provide links to their explanation and usage but hopefully you can and will seek them out for yourself.
A (tongue in cheek) extrapolation is no more a logical fallacy than 0.75% is 2%, let alone tenfold value.
If you bring up a point that is not the crux of an argument (especially if its a point that the person did not say), and ignore the rest of a persons argument, then you are employing straw man tactics.
Ignoring one's entire post in order to question whether they know what straw man or logical fallacy is, while ignoring everything else they've said, is ironically a strawman. It is akin to calling out someone's grammar
If you assume that everyone would do something just because one thing happened (with no other context), that is the logical fallacy of extremes.
Logical fallacy of extremes: If X is true, then Y must also be true (where Y is the extreme of X)
If everyone upvotes this eBay deal, then any cashback fluctuation will be voted up to a Top Deal
Also scattered throughout is Ad Hominem e.g. 'Don't know where you did your schooling'
@takutox: Keep working on it, you'll get there eventually.
A simple logical fallacy would be claiming that a 0.75% discount on an ebay deal, quote "increases the value of this deal tenfold". There are of course better terms for such claims but no need to go there. Another would be your claim that I can't use an analogy regarding what is and isn't a deal because it doesn't fit your narrow perspective/you hadn't considered it or didn't understand the point/you don't understand the premise of Ozbargain deals. Nothing in the least complex about the concept.
Nope. You quote out of context.
This is word by word, exactly what I said.
"The fact it is eBay and that eBay is running a sale increases the value of this deal tenfold"
i.e. the fact that the site is eBay and that eBay is already running a gift card sale is tenfold over another deal that is not running a gift card/alcohol sale and that is not eBay. It could be a 0.0000001c increase, or a 50% increase. The fact that the 15% sale already exists and the site is eBay makes it more valuable than other deals. Just like if the site was an Amazon or if it was Woolworths or credit card points and if one of them already had a decent sale running.
This is where your strawman comes in to play, as well as your quoting out of context and complete lack of logic or reasoning in reply (0.75% is nothing because 0.75% is nothing!!!!1111oneonoene). Nice try though.
@takutox: Ah I get you. If this deal was 1c off the original deal, ergo because that deal (posted on OzB) was already in play then it could, (by some bit of hocus pocus), reasonably equate to a much larger saving - pick any random multiplier you want. Yet another example of what will soon be known as "Trump logic".
The simple fact is that this deal is worth 75c for every $100 spent, nothing more and nothing less.
No amount of fluff, hyperbole or rationalisation can or will ever change that. Is that a "deal" worth celebrating in the context of OzB? Many people thought so judging by the votes and I look forward to them upvoting every other inconsequential deal posted (yes, that was sarcasm).
No. a 1c deal would still be a 1c deal. Multiplication of the value of a worthless deal still makes it worthless. That is not a fallacy - if something is 'more' valuable' in relative sense, doesn't mean it is valuable in an absolute sense. You can throw a ball further, but it doesn't mean you can throw a ball far. You are attacking yet another strawman, trying to put words into my mouth. The sheer truth is that the deals for these websites receive much more upvotes than normal ones because of their usefulness, the amount of people who already shop there, the amount of people that would purchase on the sale anyway, and the exact business in question. See the Dick Smith example which you have not responded to whatsoever.
Now when you start to take slightly bigger values such as say, 0.75%, the deal becomes much more worthwhile. When we're looking at Woolworths, Amazon, eBay, everyday credit cards, 0.75% is a valuable amount as this relates to everyday purchases to the wider public - eBay is under that umbrella. Even better that a very good gift card sale was on, as the purchases are 'already worthwhile'. Something that is already worthwhile DOES add to the deal. The better and the more 'would do it anyway' a deal is lends itself to deals offering further discounts having more value. This is why $3 off an Xbox One is nothing by itself, but when added with a $4 decrease on their website as well as being a very popular console that most ozbargainers would like to purchase at the time, a worthy deal. You won't see anyone saying 'LOL 1% is nothing' on that deal. Because everyone KNOWS it is 'just' 1%. BUT when you combine all these small discounts, you're actually getting a decent chunk off.
For example, a $5 off rideshare coupon for first users can be useful if there is also a signup bonus of $15-20. By itself, the deal is not that tempting as to take that ride with only the $5 discount would not be worthwhile. However, the total value you are evaluating is both the rideshare $5 coupon and the $15 coupon available to new users, not the $5 by itself (which you'll have to pay for if the other discount code didn't exist). $5 off rideshare can easily translate to 2% off a $250 ebay purchase, with no limit on the upper echelons.
Last week, the rideshare discount was $20 for new referrals, now it is $15. Why aren't you on that post crying about how the price was higher last week? lel. That's a 0% increase! you gonna say its better for existing users now? well this eBay deal is even better for people already planning to buy gift cards/alcohol. same sh*t.
A huge logical fallacy you are trying to assert is that 0.75% is never worthwhile (even if compounded on to another discount, even if the website in question already has a great sale, even if its for an everyday thing such as credit card points). This is not true. To get to higher percentages, you need to evaluate every little increase, as well as the original discounts being offered.
@takutox: Admittedly I just scanned your most recent post (waffle tends to have that effect on me) but not unexpectedly this caught my eye. Can't quite put my finger on the reason. Oh yes, it's a classic straw man argument (aka putting words into someone's mouth before attempting to shoot the same words down): "A huge logical fallacy you are trying to assert is that 0.75% is never worthwhile"
I'd suggest that this is more likely to fall into the category of demonstrably arrant nonsense, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that your misunderstood what I've written two or three times already - as simple as it was. 0.75% can obviously be worthwhile and only someone who believes in the tooth fairy or perhaps the magic multiplier would suggest otherwise.
Let me repeat it one final time for you: this deal is worth 0.75c per dollar spent, no more, no less. This does not constitute a deal in the true Ozbargain sense (imo - obviously), but it is of course a saving nevetheless and if you're struggling financially it might be important, in which case you should probably SAVE your money in lieu of spending it on gift cards/cashback.
Another spam of ad hominem attacks. Good job. 0.75% can obviously be worthwhile and in this case it is when stacked with many other small discounts - the base 1.25% discount and the existing sale.
It is a relief that you can finally come to that conclusion, with nothing to offer but 'YES ITS A SAVING BUT ITS NOT A TRUE OZBARGAIN DEAL, IM A TRUE OZBARGAINER'. I thought it was unanimously agreed that OzBargainers always try to get the best out of every situation, which is why a deal such as Maccas hacks gets so much attention. Paying $83 is better than $85, on something that is already very reasonably priced as $85, wouldn't you say? Oh nope, '0.75%!!!' , '0.75 CENTS!!' , '0.75 CENTS!! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS 0.75 CENTS'
Keep it up with the ad hominem attacks though, the person who has to keep doing this obviously doesn't have anything valuable to add to the discussion. Admittedly I find it easy to read your posts because they have no actual content, just personal attacks.
By the way I linked you another deal you forgot to cry on.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/275914
LOL its only 0.5% off WISH cards. Better start the attacks.
Enjoy your arbitrary determination of what constitutes an additional value vs what the price used to be.
God forbid KFC increase the free sides of their surveys to 3. Doing the survey isn't worth one side, so I won't do it at all. The value of the deal is only 1 side because the 2 sides were already being offered. Too much mental gymnastics trying to make the value of the deal 3 sides, because the value of the deal is only 1 side. I must be so dumb trying to riffle my way in to telling people that the actual value is 3 sides because the deal is already good and the 1 side only contributes an extra bonus. But 1 side ain't worth my time. Nor is that extra dollar per $100. You can't use the fact that they're already giving 3 sides for the deal.
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@takutox: Comprehension difficulties? Probably can;t blame you because the repetition is boring even me. Should I link a few deals where you forgot to dribble on? The point has been made ad infinitum (and not just by me), and if you bothered to check there has been wide derision for deals which are FAR better than this. No doubt you'll be upvoting every deal posted from here on because most of them will be worth more. Enjoy your 75 cents.
@takutox: Do I detect hypocrisy? I'm surprised how quickly you forgot what you wrote in your very first line. Water off a duck's back at this end but if you're hurt by the tit for tat response I apologise.
@takutox: Rest assured there's nothing you could write which would "hurt" me. Your hypocrisy was evident from the first mention of "straw men", your post a couple above simply confirmed the obvious. Been fun though hasn't it.
Businesses that post on this site have a vested interest in posting "deals" that ultimately drive traffic to their business [site]. The people who contribute most to Ozbargain are the members who have nothing to gain by posting deals; it's called 'altruism' and it's the founding ethos of this site.
By allowing reps to respond and post, they increase the trust between the members and the concerned company. They also have a rep tag to show they have an interest in the company as an employee, to show they have an interest to overall help the company.
If this was purely members only, no reps allowed to openly communicate, the amount of trash-talking without any sort of attempt to resolve the issue would be magnified. Just like this thread, there's heaps of people who don't attempt to resolve the issue, and run for the pitchforks.
The people who contribute most to Ozbargain are the members who have nothing to gain
Sure there are those who are selfless. And the there's those who post to in order to gain referral or store credits.
Then there's the completely random referral system where it gives you a random affiliate link. This benefits the members who have shoved their own referral link.
If ebay had a public referral system, OzB mods would have already made a randomizer link.
The referral system definitely encourages people to actively trawl through sites to find great bargains
OzBargain has no affiliation with Cashrewards. Nor do we make a cent from their posts, have a personal relationship with the owner or any other misinformation flying around. You are free to post a deal for your store, cashback or third party website without charge, as everyone is and has been for many years.
Store rep guidelines
Third party website guidelines
If you don't wish to see deals from a certain website click 'hide' under the deal post to block that store or poster.
There seems to be much anger directed at ozbergain and cashrewards about this deal being featured as a deal… however, in my most humble of opinions. Just because something is a bargain doesn't mean you should buy it. Get your priorities straight and save some cash to stop renting and buy yourself a place to live instead of propping up your landlord. This whole 'bargain' frenzy isn't saving you much when you are still 70 but don't have enough money for rent and still living paycheck to paycheck because you spent all your money on stuff you didn't even think you wanted until you came across it here. So if you get 2% off something that you need then it's a saving, but 90% off crappy trinkets that litter your house is no bargain at all! GET REAL PEOPLE!
By the way, I just received $36 cashreward for a DJI Phantom 4 Pro + drone which was already $500 off RRP, then I used the 10%-off ebay voucher. So I stacked 3 discounts, stoked!
Thankyou for your time,
Please up-vote my comment,
Humblingingly yours,
Hell0
2% is not a big discount by itself.
15% off certain hard to find gift cards (Good Food and Best Restaurants come to mind), and 20% off wine and spirits as well as 2% cashback is. This deal is virtually a freebie on a website that everyone already uses. With the discount its the cheapest BR you'll ever find and close to the rarest Good Food discount you'll find. Add even smaller increase (such as AMEX/CC points through PayPal linkage), and that gets close to 20%.
I've noticed a trend on OzBargain - if someone is successful and doing well, a lot of jealous people come out of the woodwork in order to detract from their glory. I see it in every post, deal or classified. If someone can put someone down or let everyone know they know better, they will. Your ego must be so insignificant that the categorisation of a simple deal (which is completely decided by the community) angers you.
I've noticed a trend on OzBargain - if someone is successful and doing well, a lot of jealous people come out of the woodwork in order to detract from their glory.
Used to happen a lot with TA. Since working for Cashrewards… all the time.
I think it comes down to communication as well. If TA would respond to users messages, maybe people would be more open minded. I remember he always used to respond to people in his old posts which really helped build his credibility on Ozbargain.
Or maybe they're the same people that always talk crap in every single CR related post?
I remember he always used to respond to people in his old posts…
Why would he bother to feed the trolls respond to any questions when he's clearly being attacked ?.
@Clear: Would you care to list these "same people"? I have also noticed these "same people" come after me in my deals and vote up the "same user" deals time and time again.
@Clear: All good, I am just providing my thoughts. I don't mean to offend anyone and I am sorry if I have offended TA or CR in my actions now or in the past. The best part about Ozbargain imho is that we have an open community where we can voice our own opinions and receive feedback :)
@nocure: That's true, would be pointless. Just lead to more arguments and people getting worked up. I guess people take Ozbargain a bit too seriously sometimes, I'm definitely guilty of that.
takutox said… "I've noticed a trend on OzBargain"
…right on, it's the infamous tall poppy syndrome at play.
Better graph it on Excel!
May not seem big, but in terms of savings, you are getting a return. It's better than nothing and better than most other places. So much greed now days, of course everyone wants 100% cash back, but that ain't happening. So pull-up your pants and take or leave what has been offered.
I put an order through (within the timescale) but has not been tracked - again.
Can take up to 7 days to track…..
Further to what CVonC said about tracking taking up to 7 days, as long as you clicked on the store you'll be fine. Some of my eBay purchases have tracked 10 minutes after purchasing while others have been after 4 days. If it's been longer than 7 days then you should raise a ticket on CR or send Mr TA a PM and they'll sort it out for you :)
Thank you CVonC & Clear :)
@takutox:
lol again i don't care how they make money, good on them for finding a way in this day and age.
i just don't want it on ozb, as does many others it seems