Queue Jumping 'Groups' and General Queue Etiquette

[Deactivated] on 05/12/2016 - 20:24

Queues are simple things. There's one simple rule to queuing and that is to stand in line and wait your turn. Many people can't get it right and think 'knowing' someone already queued is a free pass or 'I'm with whatshisface' means instant advancement. I never queue jump, placehold or benefit from queue jumping, so my options are to do nothing but gnash my teeth about queue jumpers or to say something, so I do, and I will tell the person where the queue ends and to join it. They invariably say they know some random in the queue like it matters. I then broadcast in tall man voice that the person is attempting to jump the queue. Queues are not democratic or populist structures. First in, first out.

I am sincerely interested in views about queueing, and in particular, etiquette or rules that do not disadvantage people queuing by themself. In my view things get very complicated when two people enter a store, one immediately queues while the other shops. Shopping further than arms length from the queue is rude. Forgetting items is your own fault. Go around again.

Poll Options

  • 8
    Say nothing when people queue jump.
  • 26
    Say something polite.
  • 76
    Say something passive aggressive.
  • 21
    Say something loud or confrontational.
  • 8
    Dirty stares.
  • 123
    Position your body to make it somewhat difficult for them.
General Discussion

Comments

        • xoom on 07/12/2016 - 06:44
          +3

          Sisters boyfriend was in china one time. There was an ice sculpture slide. He got to the top and the people where just standing while the queue to get on the slide backed up. So he started pushing the people in front of him down the slide because they where taking an eternity to get down.

          The other peeve of mine is when people suddenly stop in front of stairs and escalators and proceed to look for things in their pocket or bag. Surely not getting in peoples way was taught to everyone growing up.

        • Tal_Shiar on 09/12/2016 - 03:38

          @xoom: people that walk across the entry platform of an escalator to use the other side while people exit are a common issue in Melbourne

  • Tejas57 on 07/12/2016 - 11:35
    +3

    the bus queue jumpers suck. my stop has multiple busses coming from it so a common tactic by jumpers is to walk to the front, check the timetable or map and than just stand there and duck on when the bus comes. i'm not normally confrontational but i have spoken up in the past over this as it has really pissed me off.

    • Lockieasy on 07/12/2016 - 12:50

      Depends on the bus stop. My stop where I get on sometimes, has about 5 different bus numbers that all roughly go to the same area. However, only one of those buses goes down an out of the way road, which has a stop that's about 2min walk from my front door.

      So I have no choice but to hang around the front of the queue or jump it because otherwise I have to wait an hour for the next one, whereas 99% of the people in the queue can hop on any of the buses, since they all pass through the main roads.

      Sometimes people will complain to me that I'm queue jumping but I have gotten used to explaining that this is the only bus I can catch!

      • Seraphin7 on 08/12/2016 - 10:19
        +1

        Don't really understand how any of that makes a difference, still queue jumping.

        • Lockieasy on 08/12/2016 - 22:53

          I'm waiting for a specific bus whereas the people in the queue can get on any bus, so I don't stand in the queue.

    • SnoozeAndLose on 08/12/2016 - 11:11

      I find that people in Sydney doesn't queue up on train, bus and ferry , they just stand near the bus stop and once bus arrive then try to stand at the bus stop, but sometime bus does not come all the way to the bus stop then people just get on the bus.

      Funny enough that there is no line for people to queue up here.

      Also people who come early and wish to seat at the bus stop(if there is a chair) then when the bus approach they expect people to let him/her get on first without even queue up.

  • DoddLad101 on 07/12/2016 - 11:40

    I don't think it's an issue, in a way you are contributing to the length of the queue if you go to the back because that's more people to get through. Makes sense at somewhere like a restaurant where waiting behind a group instead of joining them would be pointless as you're going to be joining them on their table anyway. I suppose it's circumstantial.

    • [Deactivated] on 07/12/2016 - 12:13

      I accept it's circumstantial, with restaurant seating being almost an exception as people can join the group table afterwards without even queuing and it doesn't disadvantage others. In other cases like election voting and at Australia Post stores, it's different. Some people queue jump at elections with the whole economies of scale family name excuse. In airports people want to be seated together so it gets complicated because often the missing member is parking the car while the others are queuing. People already in the queue have more right to be served than the person parking the car and arriving late.

      At the supermarket deli, the number shows 55. Who should be served next, 56 or person with 42 because they shopped in other sections and came back. In my view, the person breaking the sequence or order should be disadvantaged.

      PS on a crashing aeroplane, all bets are off! People close to exits will survive more often than those stuck at the back succumbing to toxic fumes. That's where I engage everyone for themself and survival of the fittest. :p The average toxic fume survivability is less than half the time to clear a plane in an emergency, let alone the time it takes to lose altitude and land.

      • Seraphin7 on 08/12/2016 - 10:20

        "The person with number 42" can take ticket 99 in my book!

  • enzioFirenze on 07/12/2016 - 11:58
    +2

    think this was mentioned before but yeah, Chinese people are really bad at queuing or lack thereof. My most recent experience was at Sydney TRS counter, it has been sometime since I did that but looks like now TRS has a Chinese app as well. I could clearly see the difference as last time I did TRS, there were no Chinese tourists in the app section of the queue but they were in the manual section and queue was all messed up. This time, they were in the app section as well as the manual section and my god, both queues were messed up and took so long I was worried about missing my flight. And don't get me talking about the piles of receipts they have!

    • ChickenTalon on 08/12/2016 - 09:21

      Spare a thought for the TRS staff! Every time you finally get to the counter the staff are completely drained from dealing with them.

      "Where is the receipt" "that's not a receipt". "Where are the items" "I need to see the items" "I need to see the items" "I need to see the items" ….

      • LittleKatie on 10/12/2016 - 06:24

        Some people are so stupid but at least they are leaving which is a good thing.

        • ChickenTalon on 10/12/2016 - 22:53

          Not really. While many things might annoy me about the way they behave, they are no smarter or dumber than us locals. It's a different culture. Their foreign students and tourists bring us sweet sweet RMB. So it balances out.

  • zombrex on 07/12/2016 - 12:09
    +3

    I think it is best to call people out.

    Old guy and his wife pushed to the very front of a sushi counter queue once.
    I was directly behind behind them but the line was easily 10+ people and I had already been waiting a good amount of time to reach the front. I did not say anything until I saw his wife was trying to edge in-front of me and get attention of staff to make the order I saw them deciding on.
    Told them politely there was a line, he tried to make the excuse they were simply looking, they ended up leaving the line completely. I think they knew exactly what they were doing and were probably used to getting away with it.

  • The General on 07/12/2016 - 12:24
    +3

    LARRY!

  • windrc on 07/12/2016 - 13:22

    Sometimes the queue jumper are too far ahead from you

    • Kangal on 07/12/2016 - 22:45
      +1

      They're never too far…. because you can just cut in front of them.
      What are they gonna do? Complain?

      If so, then you can tell them that you and him can both move to the back of the line.
      Watch the silence.
      And if they agree, then walk towards the back of the line with them….
      ….then just as you get to your original spot, slot back in.

      The line buddy will graciously allow you, as you have done them (and alot of people) a favour.

  • Mcbargains on 07/12/2016 - 13:24
    +2

    So much truth to this! I was standing in line yesterday and no less than five people blatantly pushed in when it was completely apparent that i was waiting. I simply raged to myself but i do regret not calling out such rudeness

  • IdBuyThat4aDollar on 07/12/2016 - 13:34
    +4

    Does anyone find it interesting that when you order drinks at a bar, it's pretty much every man for himself, but any other place its a queue? If I'm at a bar, I'll do my best to try to weasel my way to the front and strategically place myself where I think I would be served quicker. Unfortunately cleavage usually wins over me in these situations.

    • snapper on 07/12/2016 - 21:47

      Yep. Noticed, experienced many times.

    • Tejas57 on 08/12/2016 - 04:07
      +3

      i was at the local sports club for a family dinner when i went to the bar to get a drink.
      the bartender was doing a pokie payout so was not behind the bar. whilst i was waiting a diffrent person came up to wait as well. the bartender came back and waked straight over to the new guy and greeted hm by name and served hm.

      she got to me and i said "maybe next time ask who was here first rather than just serve the regular first?" i was not happy. she gave me the beer free

      • John Kimble on 09/12/2016 - 13:55

        I see what you are saying, but it is not the regular's fault they got served first…granted they could have indicated to the bartender to serve you first though. Good on her for giving you a freebie!

        • bluesky on 09/12/2016 - 17:38
          +2

          it is not the regular's fault they got served first

          That is the other thing … in such a situation, I would always say "He or she is here first" and let the rightful person be served first. It is not as bad as queue cutting, but I reckon it would be the right thing to do.

    • Tal_Shiar on 09/12/2016 - 03:48

      5 cougars please?

    • lemonato on 10/12/2016 - 15:44
      +2

      Had this happen last night at a local pub. I was walking up to the bar with my mate, when another bloke looking straight at us comes racing up from the other direction, and squuezes in next to us at the bar. Luckily I managed to get the bar staff's attention first and ordered drinks. Then just gave him the look of suck shit (profanity)

    • anastasiastarz on 20/12/2016 - 02:23
      -1

      Add Messina to that basket. On busy nights those shorter than the counter (i.e. me) don't get served.

  • anonymous01 on 07/12/2016 - 14:00
    +1

    Depends on what kind of queue. If waiting in line for a restaurant, then it doesn't matter. For example I might be finishing work late and ask my spouse to wait in line 10 minutes earlier and join her. It wouldn't affect rest of the queue as we are sitting on a same table.. even if I had waited back of queue, result would've been the same… same goes for activities doing together and shared time. However if your queue jumping does affect other people, that I don't like.

  • daleyboy79 on 07/12/2016 - 16:51
    +3

    Hate queue jumpers, also cant stand people who have no idea how to form a logical line that doesnt block peoples way who just want to walk past

  • [Deactivated] on 07/12/2016 - 16:55
    +3

    Queues are cultural specific - which can be problematic in a diverse society like Australia as everyone is carrying around their own thinking about how it's appropriate to negotiate a queue.

    If you've ever gone overseas you unthinkingly bring your own cultural baggage along with your carry on. It's hard to switch out.

    And then there are people who are just a-holes.

    However, if this is the case:
    - "I am sincerely interested in views about queueing, and in particular, etiquette or rules that do not disadvantage people queuing by themself."

    then this may be an enjoyable listen:
    http://freakonomics.com/podcast/what-are-you-waiting-for/

    • [Deactivated] on 07/12/2016 - 17:59
      +1

      I listened, thank you :) In computer science, structures like queues, priority queues and stacks are areas of study and used regularly. I think that's why it bugs me enough to the point of saying something. The priority for these people is self importance. The 'rules' for cutters are self serving.

    • DarwinBoy on 07/12/2016 - 23:32

      I wondered if anyone was going to mention this. Was ready to copy paste it in myself.
      A good listen on the science of cues but clearly an American/western perspective.

  • maximum on 07/12/2016 - 18:01
    +4

    my favourites are the old ladies who pretend like they haven't seen the checkout queue and walk right up to the front. They do it at my work all the time too. I always call them out on it (but I do try and wait till the queue has grown a bit longer so they are disadvantaged for their efforts) I would let them in if it's a queue to the toilet but anything else I think they can wait. If they don't have to fit work and kids in they have way more time than me.

    • tonka on 08/12/2016 - 00:11
      +1

      I see a lot more of the other way around. An older person approaching a queue and someone younger suddenly starts running from behind them to beat them in the last half meter (and often startle or shove them a little in doing so). You wouldn't do that to a younger person but people suddenly get all competitive and try and overtake an older person.
      Have had a few discussions with people giving my elderly mother a slight jostle pushing past her.
      One guy I think had some cultural problem with having to wait behind a female, he really agro and posturing when I told him he needed to learn patience and not shove the old ladies around. He had such a nasty attitude, I was actually thinking it would be a good idea to let him clock me so he'd be deported.

  • berry580 on 07/12/2016 - 18:20
    +1

    I can certainly understand it can be frustrating if some guy thinks he can just jump the queue when clearly he just coincidentally found someone he knew in the queue and decides to jump it. Definitely morally wrong, but it'll be hard to police.

    However if Mr A started queuing in the super long queue while Mrs A goes shopping until Mr A reaches the cashier. I honest can't see how one can even object to it morally.

    That's just my cents.

    • [Deactivated] on 07/12/2016 - 18:33
      +1

      In practise, it often ends up with the existing groceries being scanned and the checkout being stalled/blocked waiting for the other person. It also is an option not even available to single people. Some may consider it car pooling, but car pooling is to reduce emissions. Should couples get a benefit over singles in a society that pays to have an anti-discrimination commissioner? I don't agree with singles loading the conveyor and then going back to shop, either. I think that's the same or equivalent. I think at one Apple launch one group used robots as queue stand ins. Is that where we are heading? I don't mind one or two items personally, but one person queuing at the start while another shops and jumps a queue with a trolley is a time saving scam to the disadvantage of the other people in the queue.

      I'm not too political about supermarkets now that self checkout is available. I am flexible enough to do my shopping off peak. My main geezer gripe there is people entering via the self checkout exit :p

      • tdw on 08/12/2016 - 04:23
        +2

        My main geezer gripe there is people entering via the self checkout exit :p

        i'm only 5'7" and female but i'll block these idiots whenever i can. sometimes they're startled their path has been blocked and i'll bluntly tell them where the real entry is. other times i'll just barge into them while leaving if i have something bulky/heavy.

  • Zoosh on 07/12/2016 - 18:54
    +1

    I don't need to dirty stare… I just stare until the queue jumper makes eye contact. Maybe I have resting bitch face.

    • [Deactivated] on 07/12/2016 - 20:07
      +1

      So far from this thread, I have learned that is what a 'cropdusting' means. :)

  • JIMB0 on 07/12/2016 - 20:04
    +1

    Tell them to go to the back of the far queue

  • prinsenhof on 07/12/2016 - 20:39
    -1

    I think if you are genuinely meeting up with a group then its fine to queue jump. It would be stupid to hang at the back of the line when there no rush to get in anyway. Usually you have allocated tickets or something so who cares when you end up getting in. Goes both ways too, sometimes ill head to the back to meet the group.

    The group must form a circle and chat though, if they simply jump and say hello and then wait in line then they arent really a group and they are just pricks.

    • [Deactivated] on 07/12/2016 - 23:01

      A common scenario like this is at airports. Often, the group will get dropped off, someone parks the car in the long term car park while the group queue and then the driver conveniently reunions to check in. Meanwhile a solo person would have to park the car and then queue the full time. Does a baker's dozen rule apply whereby the queue jumping gets spread amongst the group to be under a 10% threshold? Other people might have been queuing the entire time. Maybe the group progress too fast, as happens, and they wait at the front of the queue with bags blocking others while waiting. What is the benefit of such group benefitting etiquette to single queue members, or is this behaviour defended with economies of scale justification? It leads to people who have queued one hour being jumped by people who queue maybe not at all. If a complaint is made, is resolution democratic? If that's the case, the rear half +1 can reverse the order of the queue altogether :) Is it based on noisiness of objection, playing a victim, hardship? A loud disagreement will result in security being called or police. One person argues they queued and the other jumped. The jumper will say they went to school with Samantha.

  • snapper on 07/12/2016 - 21:48
    +5

    I think I can spot these queue jumping people on the roads - they drive the same way.

    • tdw on 08/12/2016 - 04:28
      +1

      especially when there's 2 lanes turning and some dropkick - nearly always in an suv - tries to change lanes mid-turn and cut off drivers who've planned ahead and positioned themselves in the correct lane for where they're going.

      i never let these people in unless it's pretty clear they're willing to collide with me to get their way.

  • srr on 07/12/2016 - 22:05

    So if I voluntary pass a person before me is it a breach of the etiquette? What if I pass two? Three? Can I make that decision myself or have to consult with other people in the queue?

    • [Deactivated] on 07/12/2016 - 23:15
      +1

      IMHO it's highly subjective and negotiation. I speak up to self entitled queue jumpers who don't show any appreciation or forward gratitude. I think if you at least act embarrassed and thankful it goes a long way. People deliberately hiding from eye contact deserve going to the back of the queue. It's not a given right to queue jump nor is it my right to stop it. It falls into the awkward inbetween grey etiquette basket. Anyone treating it like an entitlement to cut in should be reminded of that, in my view.

  • Cheap Steve on 08/12/2016 - 05:47
    +1

    My queuing superpower is that whenever I join the end of a long queue no further people join the queue. My superpower lets me kill the long queue. So whatever product that was immediately before in high demand suddenly becomes undesirable once I join the end of a long queue. When I eventually get to the front of the queue I have waited maximum time and feeling lonely.

    Cue the queue jumpers arrival.

  • sergun on 08/12/2016 - 11:11
    +3

    What about "Next in line" call when people queued behind you rush to an empty counter?

    • lainey13 on 09/12/2016 - 11:35

      This happens in Aldis around the country every hour!

    • Tal_Shiar on 09/12/2016 - 17:31

      i don't think the assistant should be the one to dictate who gets chosen to come first (unless it's beyond clear), in that circumstance, I think it's perfectly fine for people to decide for themselves if they want to leave their current queue and see if they can get served quicker…

  • CharityCase on 08/12/2016 - 12:42
    +4

    I am Chinese myself and I work for a Chinese airline at Sydney airport and I can confirm the earlier posts about Chinese tourists don't queue are true. See it on a daily basis . Most of them are mid aged tourists who just visited overseas for the first time.

    • [Deactivated] on 08/12/2016 - 13:20
      +1

      When I originally posted this, I didn't quite expect there to be a large ethnicity angle. I've witnessed certain European tourist races in London live up to stereotypes. I live near a defacto CBD Chinatown and spent a fair amount of time living in Tokyo and Hong Kong and personally find different Asian cultural norms more 'logical'. The 'rules' to me seem closer to the surface, and to me, bad behaviour was more opportunism compared to Western arrogance, the worst :)

      I had actually originally thought the size of the jumper and the jumpee might come up, as my experience is that taller/larger people tend to not cut and smaller people think somehow they cause less imposition to the affected queue. It's not the most scientific theory, but I feel that in confrontations the taller people are assumed to be bullies or aggressors, allowing brazen and brash smaller people to try their luck.

  • jinny7 on 08/12/2016 - 18:35
    +4

    For me, the "I'm with him/her" is a legit reason, and not considered queue jumping.

    What I consider queue jumping is when I'm lining up for a right turn for 15mins on a 300m stretch of road for tunnel access when another car uses the next lane that happens to be empty to try cut in…. At the front, and when you don't let them cut in, they sometimes even have the audacity to honk you.

    • [Deactivated] on 08/12/2016 - 19:09
      +2

      Tah :) To elaborate, one person can double up with their partner. How about friend, and then non prearranged distant schoolmate. How about more than one addition of 2 or 3 people and finally one person placeholding for a football team? Does it depend on the length of the queue? What if I 'repay' the stranger at the front of the queue the $5 I owe him from right now?

      • bluesky on 08/12/2016 - 20:26
        +3

        Funny you should say that. I have seen before tour guides, "placeholding" for an entire contingent, at airport/tourist places. The contingent members could come and go from the queue. And even the tour guide might leave the queue (with some members in queue to placehold), to round up stray members, as they got close to service counter :-)

        • jinny7 on 10/12/2016 - 12:18

          I've yet to see a football team or tour group use this, and if they did, Id really like to see more how itd sit with the rest of the queue. Of course, thatd be the extremity here - I meant within reason in my post above, say one lines up for their friend while they make a few grabs of items of the shelf.

    • tdw on 09/12/2016 - 01:35
      +1

      when you don't let them cut in, they sometimes even have the audacity to honk you.

      and these sanctimonious twats wonder why they get road-raged at.

      • jinny7 on 10/12/2016 - 12:19
        +2

        sometimes its a bmw driver and I wonder if its the only situation theyve used the indicator for.

        • tdw on 10/12/2016 - 13:52

          i'm in a bmw i'm using my indicator now i demand you let me in!

          ^ pretty much.

  • worldwidehappiness on 08/12/2016 - 19:49

    Hate queue jumpers and find it hard to keep my cool. They are basically saying that their time is more important than yours. But once I jumped a giant queue. I was early to an airport for a domestic flight and there were about 10 turnstiles and all were empty, so I went for a walk around the airport - love airports. When I returned, all the turnstiles had at least 50 people lined up. I don't know where they came from. It was an urgent flight, so I went to the front and said "Sorry, I'm late for the flight, could I please go through before you?" The person kindly let me through. Only cost them 30 seconds, but I was so grateful.

    • [Deactivated] on 08/12/2016 - 20:00
      +1

      I have no problem with the 'last call' express. The staff usually ask and will open the queue for you :)

  • Tal_Shiar on 09/12/2016 - 03:29
    +1

    People making a lot of comments about overseas and certain profiles of people yet can't work a ticket machine at a Deli without being obtuse or having to be asked repeatedly.. 🙃

  • ssyl9 on 09/12/2016 - 09:57
    +3

    In regards to knowing someone in front I will see what the situation is.

    If it is like they were already in line with the group but was just going to the toilet/too old to stand too long/left and comeback for other reasons then I often just give the pass.

    If it is like a new arrival group that just happens to know someone in front. I will stare at them and talk to my friends really loudly about how some people are like animals that don't know how to line up

  • cloudy on 09/12/2016 - 12:19
    +1

    I generally give people the benefit of the doubt they are not queue jumping. Many people might wait in the queue whilst the friend or others have gone to the toilet or were asked to grab a drink etc… Or we're supposed to meet up, but If one party got there earlier and decided to wait first, I think it's all reasonable.

    If I could tell its balantly obvious queue jumper I'd be fuming.

    This reminds me of queue jumping when cars are lining up to enter the airport in ramp at melb airport, taxis and now ubers go as far alone as they can and then try to sneak in. Cutting 50 or so cars. It is so rude. When I see cars do it, there are no excuses, but in a physical line, there are too many for me to be upset up coz I hope it's not genuine pushing in.

  • John Kimble on 09/12/2016 - 12:52
    +3

    I hate queue jumpers; my definition of this is someone who knows what they are doing is against social norms/etiquette and do it anyway for whatever reason. Having said this, there could be legitimate reasons for it (not many though I suppose and if there is I would hope they would ask for permission, explain or apologise at least), so I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

    Anything like this where a reasonable person should know how to behave, frustrates me and although I can see the OP's point that these "sociopaths" get away with it because majority of people don't do anything (I have the same reaction to people who try and get on a train or elevator before anyone can get off, or people who don't keep left on a sidewalk or escalator, etc), I try and put it in perspective and remind myself that in most situations, the real impact to me is very little, I might lose a few minutes or something I guess?

    I rarely say anything (partly due to laziness and the risk of confrontation) but if I do, it would be something along the lines of "you right there, mate?". Which I assume is passive aggressive?

    • tdw on 09/12/2016 - 16:31
      +1

      maybe when i'm older and more mellow, i'll able to let more annoyances slide. but i also hate complacency, and not saying anything just feels like i'm placating these social bullies. and the more these selfish little turds get away with [metaphorically] climbing over other people, they more insidious they will become over time.

      i'm seeing this with some people i work with, those who should never have got the job but were quickly favoured by management and now they're deeply rooted like the weeds they are.

  • Mrgreenz on 09/12/2016 - 13:39
    +3

    Queuing for the Burj Khalifa and a group of 50-60year old Indians unhooked the rope que barriers and just walked through 3 bends jumping in front of probably 50 people. Did similar things at various quevents points. I guess they think everyone else was Queing for fun

  • [Deactivated] on 09/12/2016 - 13:51

    Why I don't like the "I'm with him" excuse is the following scenario: A couple agree to rendez vous for an unbooked dinner and one gets stuck in traffic. The late one then jumps the queue to join the partner. They were the one missing the rendez vous and getting delayed but the late person catches up as if there was no delay to them. Instead, the time gets passed on to the queue behind. They get delayed for something they had no input or control over, but the traffic delay of another gets spread between the queue behind and the late person gets no penalty. The back of the queue are truly the whipping boy of the decisions made by the couple. Maybe some hope they will benefit one day and accept it, but if you don't jump queues, I cannot see a reason to accept others treating you with disrespect.

    • tomleonhart on 09/12/2016 - 18:35

      Don't the restaurant prioritise and let the person who gets there first wait inline while getting other people in the queue in first ?

      I think that's fair that the first person who waited reserve his/her spot in the queue while waiting because their friends are running late.

      Or did I miss your point :P

      • [Deactivated] on 09/12/2016 - 19:21

        But as you say, someone is running late and they don't get penalised. The people in the queue behind didn't run late, but they get delayed. My problem is that the person who was rudest or delayed gets the most reward or benefit. They learn this and then leave 5 minutes later the next time, not earlier.

  • Mrgreenz on 09/12/2016 - 13:59
    +4

    The worst I seen was British tourists after we had to land at Salzburg in Austria rather than Innsbruck due to bad weather. We were transfered into busses to finish the trip. The parents were the worst thrusting their kids onto the first bus they could. People throwing one bag in the bus then charging their family to the front. Just an air of importance and superiority if they had children.

    Doubt I'don't be the same if I had a kid. Maybe I'm wrong though.

    • tomleonhart on 09/12/2016 - 18:36
      +2

      I have kid and I queue up like everybody else.
      Having kids is not an excuse to jump queue lol

      • xoom on 09/12/2016 - 19:40
        +3

        Its the holier than thou attitude because they have kids. Not to mention the their kid could do no wrong attitude.

      • Mrgreenz on 09/12/2016 - 20:18

        Yeah it was like they were using their kids to get on the first bus they could, and then using the fact they can't be split up to justify the hysteria. Was painful to watch

  • [Deactivated] on 10/12/2016 - 09:32
    +1

    It's not like Australians are innocent. You need to remember that most Australians see themselves as the most important people in the world, and because of that queuing, particularly in a car, as in on a crowded freeway off ramp, does not apply to them.

    • [Deactivated] on 10/12/2016 - 10:00
      +1

      Definitely. I'm an equal opportunity anti queue jumper. My own subjective experience is the most dastardly and brazen queue jumping is (fellow) Australians, which surprises me a bit as they should be most receptive to my body language screaming you're totally not cutting the queue.

    • tonka on 10/12/2016 - 20:10

      'most Australians see themselves as the most important people in the world', I dunno about this. Australia always seems so desperate for approval and validation from overseas, ie Academy Awards, Music Awards, Sports wins look at all the media attention if an overseas leader mentions Australia.

      • [Deactivated] on 11/12/2016 - 10:27
        -1

        Some people just don't get it. Speaking of off topic things, do you think Crap should come in a darker grey? Maybe with a less slimey option for their scales?

        • tonka on 11/12/2016 - 10:37
          +1

          True, don't get you.

  • anastasiastarz on 20/12/2016 - 02:30

    'Tall man voice' XD Are you a tall man? I need friends like you!

    I hate it when person lines up for their group!! And then their tribe joins them!! Even worse when it's the first 100 or so, and those people que skipping means you miss out!! How do I handle it, by either loudly annoucing they're pushing in line - note this doesn't work cause no one cares if it's a line of asians (who weren't born here).

    Once I was in line and a guy pushed in front of me (with a girl on his arm), and told ME I was pushing in line! He nudged me, I nudged him back out of line, then he shoves me and I fell. We both got kicked out of the shopping center. Has anyone else being pushed out of line? Should mention I'm little, so being pushed around at events/crowded places is almost normal.

    That crowd control is amazing… (that japanese summer con gif) I've worked comic con lines, because those people who push don't normally go to these events, it's so much easier! We had long lines, lots of long lines all bunched up together, think tetris x snake. These crazy lines were for autographs by the way. Up to 3hrs long.

    Line pushers. The best/most hilarious one I've seen was in April. 7am-ish in the city. That time Myer sold the original barbie at the original price of $3. A guy walks in and actively shoves people going up the escalator in single line aside, and drags his kid with him. Security meet him at the top where he was stopped in his tracks, he got told off, the kid cried and he told security off for making his kid cry?! It made our morning. XD He was of course escorted out of the building. .

    • [Deactivated] on 20/12/2016 - 02:52

      Tall enough to not get punched despite a smart alec mouth, but no one respects my queue authority. :( I have solid footpath cred where groups of 4 think they own the footpath, but come queues, my crimestopper chic fashion and laser eyes amount to nothing. I just get daylight queue jumped.

    • tdw on 20/12/2016 - 03:36

      then he shoves me and I fell.

      wow. that guy's a champion (profanity). i would've kicked his feet out from under him. least of what he deserves.

      a few more incidents i recall…
      a Samoan bloke with his son once tried to queue jump and intimidate me at reject shop. i was holding onto several cans of drink. i put a few cans down while waiting for the queue to move and scrambled to pick them up again when it did. that fatheaded prick just couldn't wait to rush past me. i gathered all my cans and stepped right back out in front of him and he started going off at me, telling me i was rude, didn't know how to queue and was crazy. i told him off right back and added that he could chirp all he wanted, but he was still going to be stuck behind me and reminded him not to embarrass himself in front of his kid.

      had one old lady at an Aldi tell me i was taking too long checking out an item. actually, when i noticed her standing next to me, i moved over a bit so she could also have a look. wasn't good enough for that bossy cow. i loudly told her i had as much right as she did to take my time peruse the items on sale. i wasn't blocking anyone else from browsing the items but i have to stand somewhere and i sure as hell wasn't going to let random tell me to hurry up.

      • anastasiastarz on 20/12/2016 - 08:06

        I like your assertiveness, do you feel panic attack symptoms when you're about to confront someone? I think it might be just me.

        The guy who pushed me, young asian giy definitely a local and should have known better. I think he was merely a puppet though, controlled by the girl on his arm. The line was to buy something, can't recall what but it was something girly and there were limited numbers. Not the first or last time I've been pushed. I've also been shoved down the stairs at another event, and it wasn't busy, just me and the guy who shoved me.

        Being 5" I might be small, but being American I am loud.

        • tdw on 20/12/2016 - 15:59

          i feel like i get a boost of adrenaline just before and during the confrontation. i do tend to shake a bit after and my eyes start watering from keeping them wide open the entire time lol. i think these symptoms you get are to prepare you for "battle" somehow.

          i'm 5'7" but we shorties do have the advantage of having a lower centre of gravity ;) plus i've played ice hockey against fully grown men so i can give and take a good shove.

          back when i used to take public transport, i'd always have to battle through crowds at the station. normally, people are co-operative and we'll all try to get out of each other's way. some douchebags think they're above social etiquette and i don't hold back giving these bullies a solid shoulder/hip check.

  • Reggie74 on 21/12/2016 - 14:09
    +2

    Etiquette is a thing of the past for a majority of the time these days. The classic example of this is Christmas shopping. If ever a study was take place of how woeful the human race can be, then one would only have to spend a few hours in a shopping centre & its carpark at Christmas time for verification.

  • John Kimble on 22/01/2017 - 14:03

    Currently queuing up for "the beach" at Barangaroo…fun fun!

  • voteoften on 22/01/2017 - 14:48
    +1

    What irks me is when a group of pedestrians are ambling down the footpath, all strung out and walking at different speeds. The first person to get to an intersection often enters the road, holds their hands out and makes all the cars stop, while their party meanders to the street. They should wait until all of their party is present before crossing or cross individually.

    • Roney on 23/01/2017 - 23:57

      Perhaps revving the engine could send a succinct message…

    • John Kimble on 24/01/2017 - 05:15

      I've never experienced or seen this! Crazy!

  • [Deactivated] on 28/01/2017 - 19:54

    I would just like to say sorry to all the car drivers who think I'm jumping the queue by lane filtering / splitting on a motorbike
    1. This is legal now, in legislation, so don't panic when someone comes close to your car,just imagine what it must be like for bicycle riders
    2. By doing this we are freeing up the roads from more cars and congestion
    3. Stop trying to close the gap between lanes as your vindictiveness will get some young person killed
    4. Buy yourself a bike, it's so fun, but rush hour is a bit like being the ball in a pinball machine
    Ps. car drivers, the car sized space in front of that 40 tonne truck is called braking distance

    • [Deactivated] on 28/01/2017 - 22:09
      +1

      In the scenario where cars are still, waiting for lights and a motorbike splits the lane to get to the front, where can the motorbike stop? The cars presumably stop at the the white line. If the motorbikes go further into the intersection, say into the pedestrian crossing they are breaking the law. If they stop alongside the cars, it will be dangerous when the lights go green.

      • [Deactivated] on 28/01/2017 - 22:58

        This is a quandry and a bit of a grey area, and car drivers thinking you've pushed past them in the queue only make it worse
        Personally I detest people who leave a big space in front of their car at lights, taking their time to get going again leaving everyone stuck behind them when the lights change, so I usually look for that big space infront of them, even if it's a fair way back from the lights,
        Then I don't need deal with the twit in the black holden Ute thinking he's being dragged off at the lights

      • cybapete on 29/01/2017 - 08:51

        at one set of lights in my area there is a little motorbike bay in front of the stop line where they can split the lane and go to the bay so they are first off the mark when the light changes

        • [Deactivated] on 29/01/2017 - 11:34

          This would be great if I was implemented.
          But most people who make those decisions don't ride bikes so it might be a while.
          But this is changing, especially since parking a car in the city has become a huge expense and motorbike parking is free.

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