Woolworths No Longer Bothering to Stop Shoplifters

I am really starting to wonder whether those of us looking out for genuine discounts, but still paying for our groceries, are actually the mugs given what I have discovered about Woolworths' apparent attitude to 'five finger discounts' for anyone that wants one.

Tuesday early evening I was grabbing a few groceries at WW Hurstville when I spotted a shoplifter shoving various items down their pants and up their shirt. Having worked in retail previously and nabbed a few shoplifters stealing from my previous employer, I followed them around for long enough to get a video of them doing it on my phone and while trying to notify a staff member. The shelf packer advised me to report it to the service desk, which I did.

The only person at the service desk was serving customers so I excused myself and asked if they could please call a loss control officer as I had witnessed a possible shoplifter (at that point, the person hadn't left the store, so perhaps they just preferred to carry high value items to the checkout in their underwear).

It was the store attendant's response that really shocked me. He told me that there are no loss control staff in the store and not to worry about it and that there was no-one interested in preventing theft from the store. This really annoyed me because the cost of theft just gets passed on in higher prices for the rest of us, honest customers, so I asked to speak to the store manager.

The store manager empathised with my concern about higher prices, but told me that loss control officers only visit the store a few times a year because 'head office' didn't want to have to pay extra wages. He agreed that shoplifting is rife in the store and that he sees people shoplifting most days. However, apparently staff are discouraged from approaching shoplifters in case they are threatened or injured. Also, most of the video cameras and other obvious anti-theft devices are primarily about creating an impression of security and discouraging honest customers from doing the wrong thing rather than stopping those that are claiming 100% discounts on everything that they buy.

It really annoys me that rather than addressing a social problem (theft), a large company like Woolworths is condoning and effectively encouraging it just because it has the market power to raise its prices to the rest of us.

What do others think? Is it reasonable for me to be disappointed in WW? Should large companies like WW have a role to play in supporting a safe and honest society? Or is it reasonable for them to encourage shoplifting because it hurts the small retailers more and discourages competition, thus allowing the big retailers to make more profits over the longer term.

My other thought is if Woolies openly acknowledges that it doesn't care about theft, why are we all bothering to pay?

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    • -1

      Would have been quicker to pay Coles for the coke.

      • +1

        That would mean I stole from Woolworths and donated money to Coles. One act is disgraceful and the other idiotic.

  • +1

    Which explains why the staff at Officeworks South Yarra Melbourne just stood back and let the apex gang clear their shelves off their goodies. Just like that. Anyway, when you mention shoplifting, why not ask those people who do self-service checkout, howmany of them shoplift a thing or 2 when they don't scan the item or scan a cheaper barcode more than once? They have only one person watching over 8 checkouts, as if her (it's usually a 'her') eyes have telescopic vision and she can see in every direction at the same time.

  • This is not only for WW. Our local Perth Coles and many other I have visited do not have security or anyone to prevent thefts. Even if you report they are not really interested, as you stated,u think this directive comes from Head Office. Pity in this day and age. Oh and you wouldn't believe I saw a Chicken Crumbed pack for$10 yesterday and it has a security tag onπŸ˜…

  • It feels like Australian society encourages theft and stealing …

    No wonder the problem is so bad.

  • -2

    If I worked at Woolies, I'd let the thieves go because their lives must be tough if they have to steal, not because it was Woolies' policy. Much rather them steal at these supermarkets with their deceptive marketing practices than from some small time family business.

    • Those with bad lives stealing pennies is worse than those with good lives stealing pounds?

    • I worked at Woolies and I didn't even check people's bags or stopped people if the beepers went off. It'd be inefficient for me to do so considering Woolies's ethos on not accosting thieves.

      I also didn't care. Woolies rip off their own staff via dodgy payroll schemes.

  • Stole a Mars bar from my local Safeway when I was 14. Got caught, Mum was called, and an arrangement was made for me to "work off my crime" by helping out in the store room for an afternoon.

    Stole some cassette tapes from my local K-Mart when I was 16. Got caught, the police were called, and I ended up at the local police station. This was at the height of my shoplifting arrogance where I was thinking I could steal anything from anywhere without a care in the world.

    Got away with plenty more than I was ever caught for, but I'm pretty sure that the times I was caught gave me some perspective.

    The "good old days" are over I guess. Or perhaps more accurately, for some people they will never exist.

    • So what are you stealing these days? :P

      • My only "crimes" these days are what I would characterize as occasional and purposeful civil disobedience ;)

    • If you'd always gotten away with it and never been caught, do you think that you would have been more likely to steal as an adult?

      • +1

        It's hard to say. So many things in life happen for so many different reasons, and they feed into so many other things in so many different ways. But I do think that generally speaking since our younger years obviously tend to be very formative, if there's nothing to stop certain behaviours from becoming habitual and therefore "normal", then the behaviours are probably more likely to continue.

        I think that everyone instinctively/intuitively knows that.

  • Commerically not worth to prevent such small loss.
    The cost of handling the incident is more than the lost goods

    • With a name like gstfree, I take it you also steal? =p

      • +1

        Opposite.

        I work for corporate governance and revenue protection,

  • I work at Coles and the managers and supervisors there definitely try and stop shoplifting.
    One supervisor even chased a little girl out the front and stood in front of her blocking her from going further. She tipped her bag out of the stuff.. I actually feel bad for that girl..

  • This is protocol for both Coles and Woolworths, there's just no reason to go after shoplifters. Both companies hire coverts and loss protection but as you've mentioned, loss prevention only goes in a couple of times a year, and coverts only go to the really bad stores which lose $100-200k a year due to theft. It's shit but that's how it works. It's better to just let them steal and then complete a police report with the evidence than potentially get injured or get some negative headlines because a "team member attacks customer".

  • This is interesting to think about in context of the prisoner's dilemma (Google will give you a much better explanation than I could). If everyone ship lifts, then shops would either be really expensive because of all the security or just wouldn't work, and we'd all suffer because of it. However, the lack of absolute security means accepting a small amount of loss from a few people not cooperating.

  • People generally only shoplift when they can't afford it or think they can get away with it. This sounds like the second one.

  • +1

    Very isolated incident - far from the case locally.

    I had the police called on me simply because I happen to have a can of Mother, bag of lollies and a few rolls in my backpack I had purchased earlier the same day. The officer was quite chill about it - he simply took down my details, wrote a few notes and said he would follow up on it if Woolworths can provide any evidence once CCTV recordings are checked… Though the staff member insisted as I didn't have a receipt I must wait around for a police officer to deal with the matter.

    Never heard about it again after that… But it was a little over the top considering it was ~$5 worth of items and I'm a regular customer that spends $100s a week there… Also the fact they didn't believe my story when I showed them the payment on my banking app.

    • That's pretty harsh on their part.

      Do you still shop there or did that overreaction completely put you off?

      • It put me off a fair bit, though I still shop there. I simply make sure to get a receipt now.

        Note I forgot to mention I was with a group of late teens/early 20s, all with backpacks on. That coupled with the fact I did have items in my backpack it does look quite bad, though you'd assume me showing money coming out of my account equal to the cost of the items would be enough evidence I purchased them legitimately.

    • Shoulda just walked off. Why would you wait around for the police.

      • Partly to make a point. I can't complain about people my age being viewed in such a way if I'm going to be disrespectful myself.

        My hope is next time the employee is in such a situation they will be more understanding and give the customer the benefit of the doubt, rather than treating them like a criminal before proving guilty… Especially when they're able to provide some proof they purchased the items (ie showing payment from bank account).

        • You would have made a better point if you just walked off. It's not disrespectful, it's having self respect and confidence that you did nothing wrong. You could have politely declined their demands with a simple ' sure you can call the police but I have things to do, bye'.

          Staying back would not have changed how your generation are viewed. People would have passed judgement anyway - seeing some bloke professing his innocence and emptying his bag over someone just leaving will make you look worse if you're really worried about your image

        • @jenkemjunkie:
          There's a difference between narcissism and confidence. I was confident I was innocent so I happily provided my details and was on my way. Simply walking off is more narcissism - as if one is too good to provide their details or answer questions. I have nothing against such people, though when that's the exact opposite of how I want other generations to view myself and my generation, doing so would have been counterproductive.

          tl;dr: I don't want my generation to be viewed as entitled, thieving pricks… Walking off would confirm in her mind I'm guilty (some ignorance involved on her behalf) and make me look like I'm an entitled prick who is above being asked questions.

        • @dyl:

          You deduce narcissism from the above scenario…lol! Atleast we know you aren't in a profession that diagnoses pretty big personality traits.

          You play the game of life all wrong with that way of thinking. You're probably the type that's happy to give up his civil liberties because you've got nothing to hide.

          You're so hung up on this generational viewing thing, people are judgemental, that's how it is, but all good if you think you're bucking the status quo of this generational judgement thing with your confident declarations of innocence as the aggrieved.

          Narcissism … rrrrrighhhht.

          'Hey that guy didn't stop and said NO when they asked to check his bags!!! Why!?' -

          '…Well, It's a given, my research in the psycho social supermarket study on human cognitive functions would illustrate he has narcissistic personality disorder or probably borderline personality disorder"

        • @jenkemjunkie:
          Note I don't mean narcissistic personality disorder, rather narcissism as a personality trait. I used the word in the way of 'entitled prick', etc. Someone who believes they have the right to not be questioned after an alarm indicating they have unpaid for items on them sounds is quite entitled. Believing ones self deserve some kind of special treatment (not being questioned) is, by definition, entitlement. Entitlement is a huge characteristic of a narcissistic personality.

          As with the rest, my innocence isn't really important - that wasnt my main point. Proving innocence is easy when you are innocent. My main focus was avoiding being viewed as an entitled prick. These things matter long term. The next time I came into contact with the same police officer there was a firendly vibe, rather than me being viewed as an entitled teenager (/early 20s). Maintaining a positive public view is important in a small town, unless your aim is employment at McDonald's.

          Sure, large scale it makes no difference… But for me and the group I was with (and maybe even other locals apart of the same generation) it makes at least a slight difference.

        • @dyl:

          someone actually DOES have the right to not have their bags searched or be held up by staff until police come. Doesn't mean you come across entitled.

        • @jenkemjunkie: The employee didn't exactly search my bag. I retrieved the items from my backpack myself stating I believed that's what triggered the alarm, and I had purchased them earlier that day. I would have refused a full formal bag search, though it was never even asked.

          As stated already above, believing you can simply walk off after having alarms go off indicating you have unpaid for items on you is entitlement. If the alarms hadn't gone off and I was stopped at random I would have simply kept walking. Them knowing I have unpaid for items changes things.

        • @dyl:

          I walk off from beeping door alarms all the time because staff forget to demagnetise the stuff I bought. Did it last weekend, then at every single store with beepers it set them off. I don't have to explain why my stuff from Myer is setting of targets beepers.

          Privacy is not entitlement, it's none of their business to go through my things because a beeper has gone off. See the thing is, everyone has a right to continue on their merry way. I don't have time to bumble around trying to explain why the alarms would go off. The onus is on the company to refine their shrinkage procedure and theft deterrence.

          Declining a 'full formal bag search' (whatever that is lol) doesn't make a difference in your case because you feel you just needed to have a pow wow with an employee on what set the beepers off that made you freeze in your tracks to show the clues that you selectively pick from your bags.

          The cop would have thought of you as a insufferable retard that wasted his and everyone's time. He'd have much rather you had walked off which you have a right to do instead of making an issue to prove some point that doesn't mean shit.

        • @jenkemjunkie:
          I think your name sums up your view points… lol

          That aside, I mean formal bagsearch in the way of the employee searching your bag themselves. I don't think I would ever allow this beyond at an airport. Rather I either allow the employee to quickly glance in, or I'll pull items up myself and display them as I deem required for the situation.

          As with the police officer, I would assume he more though the employee overreacted a little by requesting police involvement… But beyond that the officer simply took down my contact details and I was on my way.

          Anyway, that's all I have to say here… Maybe if you live in a large city or something it's different, though in a smaller town like this it's something that matters - you don't want people (even as low-down as checkout employees) thinking negatively of you… And you sure as hell don't want the police viewing you as an entitled, thieving twat - no matter if you're innocent or not.

          Note (as I've said already multiple times) no real point of innocence was even proven (as you seem to keep assuming) - I waited around as the employee said the police was coming, I provided contact details and left. I don't understand the whole trend of making others lives hard (police officers, etc) though I'm not going to be apart of it.

          Edit: I don't know if this is what you're aiming for, but you're coming across as this kind of guy

        • @dyl:

          So what small town are you from because I'm from South Australia. I'll be down there next week. I'd probably even know the woolworths. Couldnt be bothered clicking your link aye…I probably wouldn't understand small town coward humour.

          You're from Mt Gambier I bet πŸ˜‰

  • Yes it's absolutely rampant, my "mate" stole thousands from the same woolies last year and sold it to others for half price. Many staff saw him but did nothing. Eventually he stopped when he got a job. What a joke!

    • Entrepreneur. He's just skipping the exploited labour part of the big corporations…quite possible more noble too

  • After reading your article it makes me want to 'grab' something from the supermarket

  • I worked for Woolies for a few years and was told on many occasions they would rather i shoplifted than didn't show up for a shift. Many staff even shoplifted to that effect. The truth is that "Shrinkage" is only a small line item on their profit statement.

  • It's very sad. But a large corporation has the duty of maximising shareholders bottom line,
    so if they're sssessment that loss control officers are not worth it, they're in their right I suppose.

    I once witnessed 4 girls in their 20's destroying artwork installations. They were just smashing it for no good reason. I reported them to their management and even offered to be a witness. Nothing was done.

    The girls were well-dressed and I was thinking what sort of generation we are leaving behind. In my days I would have been thrown to jail for something like that.

  • One of the reasons I hate working for corporate companies. I hate it when my boss has a boss.

  • +3

    My take on this is it's a sign of the times. Over the past 20 years many societies have been racing forward chasing idealistic aspirations as fast as possible but regretfully neglected some of the corner stones of what enabled us down this path of great progression in the first place. Little things like accountability, personal responsibility, factual integrity, open/uncomfortable discussion, challenging taboos, 'actual' equality, frank talk/honesty etc. We see it everywhere in society, whether corporate or social world. Turn a blind eye to anything that may be result in liability, litigation, or even social exposure/outage by any perceived non mainstay group. Perception dictating reality. It's messed up. We've lost our way to the point knowing and doing the basic right thing can cause doubt and hesitation, heck, it can even have severe consequences! How thieves like this can get away with this stuff so easily is a sad reflection of where we are heading…. where ever that is.

  • +1

    Hopefully with advancement of facial recognition software, these offenders can be identified as soon as they set foot in any retail setting and refused entry to all places nationwide.

    • Lol we had a regular that got caught thieving got a court document stating he can't step foot any where near the store for less then six months never mind the 6 months a week later he was shopping again :)

      • What 'court document' was this exactly?

        'Scuse me sir you can't be in here the court document says you can't!!!!'

  • gg get gud

  • -1

    This is because customers are now encouraged to do loss prevention after successfully introducing self check out.

    Next year management will allow customers to fill shelves.

  • I remember back in the days we use to chase them down the streets these day they past the till let them go and to sum it up have massive entry be installed for them easy escape no gates no nothing im sure woolies is the true robbers here I'm sure its all in the prices on the items we pay for
    I there way it will cost them a lot more to have a lost prevention guy/girl work for them 38/50 hours a week then the price of the products

  • Why is this in the forums? Its basically a bargain yeah?

  • Woolworths is the most scum company I worked for back in the day. Witnessed lots of thieving. Didnt care. People stealing glue to huff, parents telling their kids to pants chocolate bars. They don't have loss prevention in the evenings. Thieving by customers doesn't hurt the bottom line as much as you think. I just turned a blind eye to it.

    Woolworths would fight tooth and nail to not pay out any workers comp let alone having to support someone trying to be a hero. Retail workers are paid a pittance and treated like shit. Stopping thieves is some Stockholm syndrome type bull shit.

  • After reading a few, I think its safe to say, we all look threatening and do an ozbargain meeting at woolies to have free ice cream.

  • This is the same attitude banks and credit card companies have. Billions are lost through theft and fraud which in turn passed onto the customer, us!

  • The opposite is occuring at my local WW. There's always been security, but the last 3 or 4 times I've visted I've seen him checking peoples bags on the way out. First time I've seen it, after shopping there a few years.

  • Woolies' Management has specified told/advised Staff not to touch them. Staff are not allowed to chase after them.
    Staff are allowed to approach them and ask them to show what they've got.. but not allowed to physically grab or touch the person in case they have a knife or something. I guess Workcover liability costs more than theft.

    Police are not interested in shoplifting. If you call the police to get them out of the store and next day, same person will be back again, doing the same thing. So the law itself is pretty useless.

    In terms of videos in the store, it is pretty much for the police (if Police is interested, which they aren't most of the time) and for insurance claim.

    There's not much you can do about it. Some staff do care about it and will try to stop it. But some won't be interested as they don't want to endanger their lives for these kind of things.

  • At the Coles i work at, there is no point going up to thieves. At certain times knives/syringes pulled out, team members punched.
    I dont get paid enough to deal with that shit and i like going home to my family.

    Imagine the man power required for the police to deal with the $2.7billons lost in retail theft.

  • +2

    I was at South Melbourne Woolies the other day, and witnessed Woolies staff gave chase to a man with a trolley full of meat (probably worth hundreds of dollars).

    Had a chat with the cashier while paying for my shopping and she told that thief actually steals and sells the meat at South Melbourne market across the road!

  • I don't buy this story. Ive been to many different WW shops in Melbourne, in Sydney, Central Coast and Newcastle and most of the time, theres a security guard standing around. Ive seen them check peoples bags at exits several times. Heck Ive even seen the regular check out ladies check peoples handbags. I do not for one second believe that they see shop lifters and turn a blind eye to it. They pretty much always check high school kids with large bags. When I carry a hand bag slightly larger, Ive had cashiers wanting to check it. I mean they don't spend hours doing it, and I don't think Ive ever seen anyone wanting to check up someone's pants or shirts but they do check things which tells me that most places do actually check.

    Maybe he meant they don't check peoples underwear for things (which seems so odd to begin with- who puts shit down there but then again, following someone around the shop to video record them shoving shit into their underwear is also pretty weird)

    • I don't go to OP's Woolworths in Hurstville often (it is in a Westfield Centre) but I don't recall seeing a security guard there. As for Newcastle, I haven't seen one at Glendale either.

      • never been to Hurstville but Adamstown had it the few times Ive been. Gosford has it, Western Sydney has it in several locations. The day and times might change but cashiers are the ones that seem to be doing most of the bag checking so I don't think it matters either way. I don't believe they see it and just go "meh oh well, have a nice day" unless its the specific store that has decided to not care.

  • Out of interest, those who shop at Costco would agree that they have a pretty good system. Firstly, sell LARGE items and package smaller ones up so you have to buy in bulk. Secondly, they make you go through ONE entrance and ONE exit, with people checking you trolley at the exit. Id be interested to know what their loss % is in comparison. The self-serve at Coles/Woolies is a joke and since most have now turned off the weight system on the scanner, stealing something is very easy with almost no staff watching

  • +1

    Woolworths and Coles are moving towards a consignment/scan based trading model with some suppliers, probably more suppliers in the future. This allows them to not care what is stolen from the store as they only pay the supplier for what is scanned at the register + a capped 'shrinkage' amount ~2%. Shrinkage covers more than stolen items, it's returned & damaged goods too normally as staff will normally just chuck these things out. They also reduce the amount of $$ invested in stock on the shelves. So you're right that the consumer pays for the theft, just through the supplier not being able to afford to keep the same prices.

  • They still go out of their way to check bags from what I've seen.

  • I've heard stores won't hire their own security guards as they think it look's bad to the other shoppers. On a Woolies note the Woolworths near me (a tad dodgy area) has security guards walking around the store.

  • Staffless counters or no checkout required. Yes, it is coming….
    https://youtu.be/NrmMk1Myrxc

  • +1

    How about people just stop being a****les and quit stealing stuff? Idealistic I know, but a man can dream can't he?

  • My wife wouldn't believe what I saw at Woolworths Marrickville Metro last Thursday.

    A aboriginal looking lady grabbed more than 10 cans of baby formulas into her bag, and put more in her shopping trolley. I was very curious about what she was doing because there's no way she can check out because of the baby formula limit.

    I followed her unnoticed.

    She walked along the wall and pushed the trolley really fast and exit at the entrance.

    I told the staff about the theft. She hesitated and said the lady had walked out of the shop and she couldn't do anything!

    The thief ran away in a flash.

    • WE should learn from this lady…

    • And you know what? had they apprehended her, she would have been let go because of her disadvantaged status. Truly and really. She'd cry poor with starving babies - how can you deny an aboriginal food for her baby? How would that have made the staff look?

      • +1

        Don't know the staff but you look like a racist

        • Whatever - yeah racist for being disgusted at an 'aboriginal woman stealing 10 tins of expensive baby formula'. Whichever race does that, it's wrong and you know that.

  • We, the honest ones, pay for that theft in higher pricing.

    Maybe, have a gated area for the trolley to stay in until they're "verified" as purchased. Like the airport car park.

    I'm waiting for the grocers to fully implement the trolley wheel lock. It's been around a long time. The trolleys are set to only get so far from the shop before the wheels lock. No more stolen trolleys found many km's away. Those also cause our prices to rise- it's ridiculous.

    Imho

  • Coles I believe have the same principle.Don't bother let thieves do what they like,

  • Yes, many times at MYER store entrance you hear the beep go off and because of the store status as it is (although downgraded recently), the front staff look too embarrassed to apprehend the person walking out. They just let them go and hope it was an item bought previously without the scan tag removed.

  • My Australia Post postbox key sets off the alarms every time, but nobody cares. The first couple of times I tried to explain it, but now I just beep away at the checkouts and no-one raises an eyelid.

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