Anyone looking to get one of the new MacBooks? Price is really steep, but then again, not surprised. I have to admit, I'm more excited about Skylake + Polaris in the new ones rather than the touch bar.
Thoughts on the Macbook Pro 2016?
epicttiimm on 28/10/2016 - 14:25
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There is no substantial increase in CPU from one generation to the next, so don't let the fool you.
Oh right because CPUs have always been the same speed as right now, that makes so much sense.
He is right about the last 3 generations to be honest. Kaby lake, Broadwell and Skylake.
That doesn't mean Apple should be buying old processors at discounted processors when there are new ones on the market. At the end of the day, it's their profit margin that they care about.
I have a 2012 MBP that runs rings around all my friends' PC laptops of the same vintage. As a professional photographer, my MBP is still super fast for editing and multi-tasking, doesn't miss a trick.
Was thinking of upgrading in a year to a retina screen, but now, will not. The cost is prohibitive.
Will upgrade the RAM, invest in a retina or HD external display and hold onto this baby as long as I can!!
SSD
External SSD works for me…I don't keep files on my laptop anyway
For the OS its amazing the difference it makes to booting and application speed
With all the negatives Microsoft have brought on themselves with Win10, Apple could probably do almost anything and still sell heaps of them. I can see why they haven't lowered the prices that's for sure :-)
I have another idea. Perhaps people that use Windows laptops don't care about what Apple is doing? There's little wrong with Windows 10. Best OS to date.
Apple products sell well, because their fan base is loyal. Almost like a cult.
Apple products sell well, because their fan base is loyal. Almost like a cult.
This.
Yeah just like you would when the products works all the time and enhance your life in a way that makes you feel more like an individual because it's made and designed by an tech company.
Android users do not report feeling like that. Their devices run an operating system designed by an advertising company to cause you to be connected all the time in order that you can be monitored by the advertising business.
Apple fans are loyal because when things go wrong they can walk in an Apple Store, greeted by a courteous staff member, and get their problems sorted unlike other manufacturers.
That's because they're too incapable to do anything themselves. As a windows user, I just want to be in and out of a store. Problems I solve myself or ask the technician from Hp or Dell to pop by my house (usually next business day).
You get what you pay for.
You've never walked away from your computer and come back to find it's restarted and you've lost data? You've never had to rollback an update or been stuck in an update-rollback cycle every time you reboot? I'd hardly say Windows 10 is the best OS to date, it's a step up from 8/8.1 sure, which both had improvements over 7 and also some regressions. I still prefer 7 as an all round OS.
I'm not a fan of the privacy nonsense. I do like having the Linux subsystem but that's really the extent of it.
I still prefer 7 as an all round OS.
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You've never walked away from your computer and come back to find it's restarted and you've lost data?
Never. Sounds like a faulty HDD.
You've never had to rollback an update or been stuck in an update-rollback cycle every time you reboot?
Never.
@niner: faulty HDD because Windows force closes things and reboots, doubtful. Windows has the worst update system ever. To this day multiple reboots may be required to install large update groups or service packs. Yet on macOS I can update from Mavericks to Sierra in one. On Linux it's the same. Despite this, Windows still lags behind. Windows 7 has so much less of the crap they brought in in 8, 8.1 and 10. I don't want an OS that is touch centric, I use a mouse and keyboard, maybe they should cater to the majority or at least not push them into a corner and force us to use Start8 or Start10 to revert to ideal functionality. My Windows 10 search in the start menu doesn't even work, despite having cleared the index and caches multiple times. Yet, a third party extension seems to do a better job? All I get is something "Internet search from cmd" no, sorry, just open the thing.
I'll be buying a 13" one for sure. I really do agree with the comments here, but my MacBook aluminium 2008 is getting old. And I guess that's the point, my 3 or 4 high end windows laptops gave me 3 or so years each. If my 16gb, 512gb ssd MacBook Pro can last 9 years I'll be pretty happy. I'll buy adaptors for now, but I guess I won't need them after a couple of years.
Why not get the 2015 model? I found their price really reasonable.
I actually want the USB-C ports - I'm hoping to use the laptop for 9 years so it needs the latest ports.
9 years? I'm not going to take the bait on that one.(or maybe I already did)
@tomski182: I don't know what you mean - unless it is about the dates. If I buy next year it will be about nine years since I bought my MacBook.
@mowersfourpeter: I thought you were trolling with the 9 years thing. You're incredibly lucky to have had a computer last that long (and without being forced into upgrading).
nope….. too costly
They upgraded the Final Cut Pro and now it has a completely new look - it is really hard to adapt.
I think Apple is forcing people to use their touch screen as they make the software harder to use on the new version.
What a shame!
Macbook alternatives please? I can't afford this luxury. Was excited until it released.
Lenovo T460s?
Similar performance as a macbook pro 13.
The integrated graphics in the macbook pro is slightly better, but it's still rubbish integrated graphics. Not going to break any records.Lenovo has been the worst laptop I've ever had to work on. Gone are days of the excellent keyboards and builds. Nowadays it's just another cheapo windows laptop. Don't get me started on those awful trackpads.
I you're looking at an alternative, have a look at the Dell XPS.
I you're looking at an alternative, have a look at the Dell XPS.
Which lenovo?
T series Lenovos are good.I use Dell Latitudes. Not a fan of XPS (mainly due to price).
@niner: I've had to deploy T450s and the W540/550 around BHP sites. They are woeful. They keys on the keyboards pop-out from time to time, the trackpad sucks and the battery life is miserable (even on the T-series). I did look at buying the Carbon X1 (prior to getting a Macbook Pro) but having had to deal problematic Lenovos and overseas Lenovo call-centers really turned me off. The good thing is that the client had a "platinum service agreement" with Lenovo. Otherwise it would be PITA to get some of the issues resolved.
I admit, I mainly stick to Dell Latitudes and HP elitebooks. Dell Precisions are good for work.
Wait for a refurbished XPS 15. Got mine with i7 6700HQ, 16gb RAM, 512gb SSD , GTX 960m, 4k touch screen for 1999. best decision of my life
i'm in a similar boat
XPS 15 looks like a good option but the battery life doesn't seem to compare to MBP
We have a decent wage and saving but Apple managed to price us out. It is ridiculously expensive and this is coming from a person who switched to all apple devices and left windows completely. I think Apple has lost its way and its peak year was the launch of iPhone 4, its all been down after that.
when steve got sick it was all over……..
they are just not pushing any boundaries, caring only of their share price and profits,… put 32gb as an option for the mac books,.. come on somthing.
We have a decent wage and saving but Apple managed to price us out.
The price is unjustified for me too. I won't be paying for it with my own money. I just think it's getting out of hand, especially for Australians.
Apple has definitely lost its way. Do you think that Steve jobs would've allowed all these dongles so you can connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook? Technology is supposed to make our lives easier, not harder.
so i have been waiting for the launch for just about ever…. i had it down to 2 ultra books/13" laptops
new xps 13
zenbook 3
the new macboo prothe macbook pros are, 1. the style and its thinner, 2. hardware refresh, but not enough imo. 3. upped the min hhd space form 128gb to 256. 4. alot fast hhd's
the negatives are, 1. the price, 2. i couldnt give a stuff about the touch bar. 3. the upgrades are still expensive, the 2TB upgrade is like $2k!so basically not impressed,.. i could get the base model with no touch bar, and just a i5 2.0ghz for $2899
right now im leaning toward either the zenbook or the xps… i havent made up my mind, and i really need to play with the new macbook to make up my mind for sure… but the zenbook is so so thin!
if i do buy the zenbook 3 it will be from amazon, the 16gb 512gb version for $2,2k where as harvey norman are selling the 8gb version for $2699
you're not comparing apples vs apples.
the zenbook 3 equivalent is the macbook and there is no equivalent in the dell.
Nah it would be the air if anything. It's what I wants. They are the 3 best on the market. Can count surface pro 4 but It's keyboard is a joke.
Ps. Zen book is gen 7 CPU. 16gb ram and 1tb hhd. It's just as good as the new MacBooks 13" if not better.
So to each one who is saying that these new MacBook Pro's are much more expensive than a comparable windows laptop, here's the comparable Dell XPS 15 http://www.dell.com/au/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?oc=z510896au&… which is $3144 after including 15% off the price and still comes with a spinning hard drive. The ASUS N550J laptop that I am typing this on may be aluminium and what not but I think they have used the cheapest grade of aluminium or they just do not know how to use it because its not even a patch on the build quality of the MacBook Pro that I sold a couple of months ago as soon as I knew that a new one was coming.
Over the years I have also used Surface Pro 3, which by the way was bought pretty cheap as it was used, and it is an interesting device except that every time I wanted to do a pro laptop stuff on it, it felt like it would not be able to do it for any considerable time and lord it is expensive and comes with a slow arse SSD. For someone who does not use the surface pen, I can't quite see how it is a better device than an ultraportable laptop with a good trackpad. Too bad then even some high end windows laptops come with absolutely shitty trackpads like my erstwhile Alienware 14 which by the way was also a nightmare after the Windows 10 release. Suddenly the Dolby functionality was absent from the software even after installing the latest drivers and some things stayed as it is and some made worse than they were! Oh and what a nightmare it was installing the requisite drivers because there was sundry list of drivers for various flavors of windows on the support website and you cannot be quite sure if they would work or not. And that horrible trackpad. All I have ever had to do to update my Mac was just click the update button. Can you put a price on this? I can surely see the appeal. Microsoft themselves are still struggling with firmware on both the Surface and the Surface Book and they arent even comparable to the MacBook Pro in performance because they come with low voltage dual core CPU's. The 15inch MacBook Pro runs a comparatively full fat Quad Core i7, 45 watt TDP. I haven't even came to the rest of the system performance like the SSD which is way way faster in the Mac.
Coming back to the new MacBook Pro, yes it is expensive but so is every other laptop with the same basic build and performance. And yet they lack the finesse and support that Apple provides by a long long shot. And while you may lament and argue your case by saying that it misses out on essential USB ports, something that can be easily cured using a dongle, it comes with 4 thunderbolt ports as USB 3 connectors. Given an option between a USB port and a thunderbolt which one would you take, the most versatile and powerful port ever or a USB? If you saw the Apple's presentation, this thing can run two 5k's screens simultaneously and then also host a raid storage array on one port, all at the same time! If that is not "pro" enough for you I do not know what is. I do not also know of another laptop of the same form factor that can do that.
Now coming to the elephant in the room - innovation or rather lack of it and I can see why the haters want to believe what they want to. Let me ask you a simple question - Is it easier equipping a laptop with a touchscreen or equipping it with virtual function keys which not only need their own software to run, and that software runs on a custom chip by the way, but also customizations in the software that is going to use the virtual keys to make them useful? Is Windows 10 really touch optimised? So just slapping a touchscreen to a laptop makes it better? Give me a use case where you think touchscreen is a better idea than a trackpad which works and work well all the time. I rest my case.
So to each one who is saying that these new MacBook Pro's are much more expensive than a comparable windows laptop, here's the comparable Dell XPS 15
What are you comparing the Dell XPS 15 to? The Macbook Pro 15"?
The Dell XPS15 has a better display, higher resolution, faster GPU and more ports. They also use carbon-fibre material, which is stronger than most metals. The new XPS15 will have a quad core Kaby Lake and an 84 Wh battery. So it has a faster CPU and larger battery than your anorexic MBP15.If you saw the Apple's presentation, this thing can run two 5k's screens simultaneously and then also host a raid storage array on one port, all at the same time! If that is not "pro" enough for you I do not know what is. I do not also know of another laptop of the same form factor that can do that.
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The macbook pro is not what allows you to do that. It's the Intel integrated graphics. Dell XPS13 also has Iris graphics.Too bad then even some high end windows laptops come with absolutely shitty trackpads like my erstwhile Alienware 14 which by the way was also a nightmare after the Windows 10 release
Alienware laptops are gaming laptops. Most alienware users use a gaming mouse. It's your own fault for buying an ALienware and expecting a business grade trackpad.
I can surely see the appeal. Microsoft themselves are still struggling with firmware on both the Surface and the Surface Book and they arent even comparable to the MacBook Pro in performance because they come with low voltage dual core CPU's.
The macbook pro also comes with low voltage CPUs. The Surfacebook and Surface Pro seem like products that attract multimedia people and uni students. I don't know many engineers or technical people who would buy those.
Is Windows 10 really touch optimised?
Yes. I can't believe this has to be spelt out for you, but Windows is compatible with millions of software applications. It's up to the individual developer to make their software work with touch.
So just slapping a touchscreen to a laptop makes it better? Give me a use case where you think touchscreen is a better idea than a trackpad which works and work well all the time. I rest my case.
In applications that make use of the touchscreen. There are thousands of places where a touchscreen is useful in Windows 10. You're clearly just a basic user, so who really cares what you think?
The 15inch MacBook Pro runs a comparatively full fat Quad Core i7
So does every other 15" windows laptop at that price. In fact, the Dell XPS15 has had that same processor since November last year (INtel 6700HQ?).
Most of these advantages you're talking about are all because of products by other companies. Intel, Samsung, and AMD.
All I have ever had to do to update my Mac was just click the update button
This may come as a shock to you, but that's all I have to do with Windows 10, 8.1, and 7 too.
Windows trackpad drivers are just plain old crap. It's not a hardware thing. I had a hackintosh laptop with a shit trackpad that was actually bearable in OS X but I'm Windows it was practically unusable. Why do trackpads scroll by lines on Windows, why not per pixel? Why is the scrolling acceleration so janky? Even on higher end laptops in the ThinkPad and XPS range, while they're better than the cheap sub $600 laptop's trackpad, the OS support just isn't there. It doesn't feel like it should. Scrolling on OS X feels like scrolling on a smartphone or tablet. Scrolling in Windows feels like a crappy attempt at track pad input being translated into scroll wheel increments.
I used Windows 95 to Windows 8 and then bought a MacBook. I've since switched mostly to OS X but also keep a Windows 10 machine. I switched because Windows left a bad impression and things have been simpler since making the switch. And no, I don't just use it for Facebook and YouTube. I'm in software and security and I'm doing fine with my setup. At the end of the day, if I can increase my productivity and reduce time spent sorting out menial issues, the slightly more expensive products are better. Not to mention, when it comes time to sell, I'll make back the loss with the high resale value.
Come on, you said in an earlier comment that Windows users don't care what Apple is doing. Yet here you are, debating it to no end, explain that.
Scrolling on OS X feels like scrolling on a smartphone or tablet. Scrolling in Windows feels like a crappy attempt at track pad input being translated into scroll wheel increments.
Use a mouse. I have no problems with high end Dell or HP trackpads.
You work in software and security but don't use a mouse. You can't be doing anything serious.Come on, you said in an earlier comment that Windows users don't care what Apple is doing. Yet here you are, debating it to no end, explain that
I use both, because I have to.
The new XPS15 will have a quad core Kaby Lake and an 84 Wh battery. So it has a faster CPU and larger battery than your anorexic MBP15.
Does anyone know when this is available?
I'm guessing in December. The XPS15 took a while to get going last year.
8GB ram on a base model that isn't upgradable on a $2000+ laptop is unacceptable.
$29 for a USB Type C to USB 3.0 cable is bonkers.
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I am buying accessories for when I get the macbook pro 15 at the end of the year. So expensive.
Don't buy it from apple. Get a third party one. You could get those 1 usb c to 4 usb a hub for cheaper.
Just note that the 2 TB ports on the right hand side are slower on the 2016 13in mbp.
MacBook Pro (13-inch, Late 2016, Four Thunderbolt 3 Ports) supports Thunderbolt 3 at full performance using the two left-hand ports. The two right-hand ports deliver Thunderbolt 3 functionality, but have reduced PCI Express bandwidth.
thats prob coz of the CPU is only i5 on those that have the 2 ports and you cant upgrade it to i7 (id have to double chcek though) but thats what i suspect is the reason why.. it was only a i5 2ghz plus turbo boost, where as the next model (with the bar) was i5 2.9ghz and upgradeable to i7
All the more reason they could have put a couple usb ports instead.
you do know that due to the thinness of the product now, you can't fit USB A ports unless you make the laptop thicker again.
It's like how you see some people saying why can't you put a CD drive on a 15mm computer cause you can't anyway :P
I don't know what they are doing. This is not a "pro" laptop, it is "premium". The base model has two ports. Two. One if you need to use the charger. I don't know what actual professionals are going to do with one port.
Then there is the issue of pricing; they are actually pricing people out of the range of the Macbook Pro. Just about every uni student has a Macbook, but I don't think that trend will continue.
The model with the touch bar costs nearly as much as my car.
This is not a "pro" laptop, it is "premium"
On the wan show, Linus had a go at the "Pro" name considering it has an intel U cpu and integrated graphics, Power-wise it seems closer to a mba than the 15in mbp
Just about every uni student has a Macbook,
No they don't. Which uni do you go to?
There are more windows laptops on campus than macbooks at the university of nsw and USYD.Have you never walked into a lecture theatre to be met by a sea of glowing apples? In my tutorials i'd say it's probably 7 in every 10 people with a Mac.
Which uni do you go to?
Never.I occasionally give guest lectures to engineering/computer science students. I admit there are a lot of macbooks, but definitely not the majority.
@niner: Macquarie. I wouldn't say it's particularly affluent. Though now you've said eng/compsci I understand why your experience is different. In arts, humanities, social sciences I'd say Macs are the clear winners
Yeah, most of the people I teach do play games. The people who use macbooks are usually the programmers (computer science/it). Most of the Macs I see are being used by the females.
A lot of sad and angry anti-apple campaigners as usual. It's a shame people aren't this passionate about stuff that actually matters.
I am still interested in the new MBP as an upgrade to the 2013 model.
As a photographer I get benefit from the retina display. I have been looking at the XPS15 due to specs and in particular the colour range of the 4k display. Problem is the battery life, despite being larger in capacity, is worse than the MBP by a fair margin it seems.
Downside is the lack of anything compatible with the ports on the new MBP. But I am assuming aftermarket options will be there to allow connectivity. Pretty stupid to remove ALL legacy ports. Should have kept a token USB, and the HDMI. I should be glad their courage doesn't extend to removal of the headphone jack.
There will be an upgrade, just not sure which way to go yet.
Still waiting TighA lenovo post !!! I'm too cheap for Apple
After using a touch screen laptop from work for the last few months, I think it is ludicrous that apple doesn't make their laptop screens touch capable.
Steve Jobs!
I frankly think the only thing that is making Apple products better is the synergy of being able to tightly control and manipulate both hardware and software. No other company can actually do that till now, Google might get there if they decide to make Pixels in-house.
MMMM Microsoft?
Can't believe the Apple logo doesn't glow anymore. I have been the biggest mac fanboy for the last 6 years but so disappointed with the new macs :(
i saw it in store yesterday, and ive decided to get it.
13" i5
16gb ram
512gb hhdits really thin and powerfull, so its the winer, looks coolest of all of them.
Did you see the Touch Bar? My local stores only have the 13" without Touch Bar.
no, only the dark grey non touch, but that was enough to convince me its thin and light enough o be my choice.
Are you sure its the 2016 model?
yearh.. im not a complete idiot ;0
um the new models havent been released yet - theyre not actually in store yet.
The non touch bar are in store mate.
Unless I was dreaming when I played with it yesterday for 10minutes.
Umm yeahI've been following g there almost every day checking them out. I kinda knows. So take my word. They were the dark grey model u can't et that in the normal mac pros.
T1OOO is 100% correct. I just came from the Adelaide store with the base model on display.
I've been wanting to upgrade my 2010Mbp for a long time now, (mine had the dreaded rebooting problems which got worse over the years and which i never addressed when they provided extended warranty for my model, it is now considered a legacy product) it still works however was very ready to order the new model the moment it was announced
Ive now had to reconsider and not jump in, admittedly seeing the model in store today it was nice. I'll probably buy a few k of Jbhifi gift cards and wait for a 10% off mac sale to lessen the blow.Ive been using my MBP for 6 years with one niggling issue however besides the rebooting it has been a very reliable piece of technology. Prior to my mac i was buying a new laptop over 2 years…
For me the battery, reliability, never had to install virus protection, easy back up process, and the awesome trackpad (which is huge on the new ones) will end up being the influencing factors for why ill still buy a mac.
I wont be buying right away however i probably end up buying the new one.
How much did it come down to? Are you concerned about lack of ports at all? Especially if one port is for power?
http://bgr.com/2016/10/28/macbook-pro-2016-specs-creative-pr…
The MacBook Pro had options with 2.4 gigahertz dual-core processors back in 2010. Anything new in 2016? Not really, well… nope.
Apple prioritized thinness and lightness, which I care about hardly at all. I would rather have better performance, a good keyboard, more storage, a larger display, more ports so I don’t have to carry dongles, an SD card slot, etc
Seems like the lackluster performance of the "pro" macbooks are disappointing to developers.
Then the 15" quad core is for u with 2tb :-) 6.5k
Fact is cpus have hit a wall along time ago in that they are fast enough for basically anything. Happened with the core 2 duo. Happening with these now too. That's why I bough the core 2 in 2005 and then the i5 3550 in like 2011 and still don't have a reason to upgrade cpus till prob 2020 at 'tis rate. It runs everything fine.
6.5k
There's the problem lol.
I'm sure most things dual core is fine, but when they put a "Pro" name to it, they seem to want to hide the fact that it's not very powerful.
It runs everything fine.
It could run certain things better and faster.
$$$ has never been a problem with apple, they always have been expensive
"It could run certain things better and faster." i7 quad core highest spec they have, is just fine, the bottle neck isn the cpu, unless your doing encoding 24/7 in any event it would be a little slower… the cpus usually sits at like 10-15% most time.
theres no real issue, except it dosnt come in the 13" id love a quad core in it. bu thena gain neither do the zenbook 3 nor xps 13
Macbook users aren't generally as aware of specs, and Apple knows that. They don't even list the specific cpu on their spec page.
The issue is them taking advantage of their users and calling the 13in a pro model when it's more like the mba.
So some mac users may get the 13in pro models thinking their getting a lot more grunt than an mba.
Of course intel u cpus are fine for many things, but to call the same line of macbooks "Pro" models when some are dual-core Intel U cpus and others are quad core Intel HQ? cpus is a little dodgy.
and they didnt need to be in the past, as they actually were the best and greatest hard ware on the market, you didnt need to look at specs.
I think the removal of most ports is what allowed them to achieve the thickness reduction. Furthermore, they wouldn't add a USB-A port purely to appease, as this chassis is suppose to last them the next 4-5 years. They design their products like a car manufacturer does. Keeping the chassis more or less the same for X years.
It is big greed though to not even include some adapters for people to transition over, especially for the average user who decides to buy a mac. they would expect to open the box up and use things as is, the sales people are going to have to up-sell adapters now as well.
I think ill wait it out till most accessories start coming with more USB-C and when they decide to adjust the price a bit down.
In terms of the:
- Charger, I like the previous one…. the MagSafe charger works neat and its magnetic.
- USB, I like the previous one… it had two fullsized, no need for dongles.
- Video, I like the previous one… it had a fullsize HDMI, no need for dongles.
- Memory, I like the previous one… it had a SD card slot, ready for cameras/accessories.
- Battery, I like the previous one… it had a large battery that can stay awake for long, this one has a smaller battery (and slightly slower charger and battery life).
- Keyboard, I like the previous one… it had a decent travel to it, the new one is from the 12" MacBook and it sucks.
In terms of Fn keys, I like the previous one… the tactile is great, always useful, no need for adaptive toolbar when you already have a big one on-screen. Such a gimmicky waste. The TouchBar won't be used by any developers until its on every mac system, which means the Apple Keyboard for iMacs. That's not coming for a few years. So it is a gimmick through and through.On a side note, the GPU choices of AMD Radeon Pro 450/455/460 are really lacklustre. They should've gone the route of Pascal instead. There's very little gain going from the Intel Iris Pro graphics to the weaksauce AMD ones. Such a bad oversight, especially considering these are meant to be "Pro" devices. It would've been awesome if the 13" rMBP could actually get the Quadcore Intel Core i7 choice, so that it could become possible to use it with the USB-C to Razer Core like external GPU and have a Gaming Console PC. Also awesome if they even manage to fit the GTX 1050Ti inside the 13" chassis, I know Razer is getting close to this engineering feat with their Blade lineup of notebooks.
All they needed to do was:
- replace the two thunderbolt ports with two USB-C ports, and put one on both sides.
- put the TouchID into the top-right corner of the trackpad.
- offer a GTX 1050Ti upgrade instead of the AMD 450.
- improve the FaceTime cameras.
They didn't.So they've only upgraded the Intel CPU, and the Retina display's efficiency. Everything has become downgraded.
Therefore, the 2015 MacBook Pro is objectively better than the 2016 models (and cheaper!).
Steve Jobs be rolling in his grave.As I've said before, Im a big Apple Fanboy, but this was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. That's not to say I wont buy more Apple gear, but the direction the company is headed isn't good. They have made some huge mistakes recently:
Paying $USD3 Billion for Beats headphones. A useless acquisition, and not the Apple way of doing things. They said they acquired it for the streaming services, but the Apple way is through innovation, not acquisition. The headphones (and the baggage associated with it in terms of board members) is not how Apple should do business.
Starting project Titan in the aim of creating an electric car, spending a rumoured $10billion a year on it, then scrapping it. Stay in your own field of expertise, Apple. Tesla is doing a better job, with real products for 5% of the R and D budget.
Releasing a watch with useless battery life and limited functionality. At least get a week of battery life before launch.
Releasing a version of the watch that retailed for $20k, offering zero additional functionality. Super elitist was never the Apple way.
The camera bump on the back of iphone 6/7. No way Job's would put up with that design faux pas.
Instead of innovating, copying other manufacturers in terms of phones/ipad pros.
Literally not adding a single product to the line up (aside from the poorly regarded watch), since the death of Steve Jobs.
Essentially just bumping the spec of all their products for the last 5 years, and not adding anything new. (The touchbar really is a minor addition).
Removing floppy disks is understandable. Removing DVD drives was understandable because everyone was streaming and downloading. Removing the current world wide standard USB (not an outdated tech that no one used), is insane.
Releasing products with ever reducing batter life (They used to double it with subsequent releases when Jobs was alive).
In Steve Job's biography, he gave some scant details on the next big thing, an Apple TV product. (Not like the current one, but with some kind of improved interface). This still hasn't been released.
An uninspiring leader who seems to car more about the bottom line than the products really doesn't help the situation in the long term.
If I owned Apple shares, I would be selling right now. They had time to make a successful transition since Job's death and they have utterly failed.
Just heard that they removed the iconic startup chime for this Mac - very sad, been the Macs since the start in 1984.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/30/classic-startup-chime-ne…
courage
the cowardly dog
Is there any site similar to system76 in Australia which has same level of quality and excellent reviews ?
If you're interested in the rebadged Clevo laptops then lookup Metabox, they have an online store, and a few resellers. Clevo laptops are great performance wise, but the plastic models obviously lack the durability of a MacBook. They do have some Aluminium-Alloy models now, but I haven't seen one in person myself so can't comment on whether or not they're more durable than the plastic ones.
lot of scary reviews for Metabox.
I'm curious. I've had a MBPr 2015 for the last few year, literally best purchase I've ever made (hate saying this. Spent 20 years advocating for windows).
I don't see what the huge improvement is for the 2016 version- I get close to 9 hours of battery on this. And my FN keys are pretty darn practical!
I'm curious. I've had a MBPr 2015 for the last few year
Just came out last year lol
Ive obviously been more brainwashed that I realised by Apple. Grrr!
I'm considering selling my 2015 MBPr (~$2,000) .
Where are the official prices for the newest model?
:/ go to the apple australia store and see
@Wiggleh: $3600!!! Holy moly.
I reckon the design is ugly. And I like my HDMI port. Any word on the weight of the 15?
The company I work for normally orders about 50 for all the Apple users. Mostly female. Our 2013 models need to be replaced.
It's still using a skylake processor, so the performance will still be the same as the windows laptops I was using 1 year ago.
I might test the gaming on those polaris GPUs when they arrive in 1-2 months time.