Anyone looking to get one of the new MacBooks? Price is really steep, but then again, not surprised. I have to admit, I'm more excited about Skylake + Polaris in the new ones rather than the touch bar.
Thoughts on the Macbook Pro 2016?
epicttiimm on 28/10/2016 - 14:25
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@cheapisgood: Well then the pro shouldnt have to be this thin, if it cannot even handle a USB port. Leave the slimness to the MacBook/Air range!
Your measurements are plain wrong. A USB input port is nowhere near 12mm think that is the width. The height of a USB port is 6.8mm
But that's also what they said when they ditched floppy drives and serial ports – everyone has floppies and printers with serials. Eventually they all moved to USB-A.
However bad it is, I think USB-C move is one of the good ones – we will finally have a port where we can use it for power, display, storage, and anything else. And the charger we use for this laptop can also be used to charge other USB-C devices too like Android phones.
Can't believe they're getting ride of MagSafe.
Courage. Heres to the crazy ones… /s
At least the battery life is good enough you won't need to be plugged in as obsessively as you used to need to when MagSafe was introduced.
The battery life is worse than the model it replaces. This Pro is a fail, im keeping my 2015 Pro.
It may be worse, which is frustrating, but I would guess it's still "good enough" for most people, most of the time. The quest for thinness at all expense still is incredibly frustrating.
Same.
I think 2015 MacBook Pro is the very best one.
Magsafe. Check
HDMI. Check
SD Card Reader. CheckCan't believe Apple would be this bad without Steve Jobs
Doesn't USB Type C offer faster charging speeds?
Stuff the magnetic clip.
Type C doesn't give faster charging speeds - it's limited to 100W maximum.
That is actually higher than the 85W charger that used to ships with older MacBooks, but it could easily have been 120W or more if Apple wanted it to be. And that would have allowed them to fit a decent GPU….but they went with form over function again.
Probably their worst decision. However at least the chargers will be standardised and good quality third party ones will be cheaper now.
- Can't believe they yanked MagSafe
Specs are fine, but the price is BS. I've used mostly Apple hardware for the last decade or more, and this may be the point where I start looking elsewhere again.. $5500+ for the specs I want from the MBP, or $3000 for the same specs in a Dell XPS15 with an additional 16GB ram.. Wtf Apple.
The UK got even more (profanity) then us in regards to price
Cough Brexit made the pound depreciate by quite a bit. Also the tax there is double us (20%)
I hands down agree. Got a refurbished XPS 15 for $1999 and it easily matches the new MBP fully decked out..just jaw dropping expensive even for apple standards.
Everyone seems to be complaining about the ports and how expensive it is, yet we will all buy one anyway.
One port to do everything is a forward thinking in my opinion.
I don't mind the ports.. Tech has to move forward at some point. My issue is purely with the price. They're simply not worth what they're asking. I'll be sticking with my 2012 MBP, and if the times comes I need a replacement, I'll be looking for a second hand 2012.
New technology comes at cost, better screen and keyboard are worth the upgrade.
My 2012 is a retina MBP, and cost half of what a similarly spec machine now costs. To get the same specs in the new model would cost between $5500 - $6000.. Or you can buy a Dell XPS with the same specs (and an additional 16GB ram) for $3100. If you honestly think a $2500 - $3000 price difference for similar specs is reasonable, you're kidding yourself.
I own a Dell 13" XPS, it is not in the same class as Apple. The screen quality is going to be a big difference. I thought the difference in price was only about $500.
If you look at the up spec'd machines, the price difference gets worse and worse. I was looking at a 15" MBP, 16Gb Ram, higher spec CPU, 1Tb SSD AND THE 2gb video card (which is almost exactly what I paid around $3000 for in 2012). That spec now costs $5500 - $6000.
You can get the same level of hardware in machines half the price. I also own a Dell XPS, and while I'd rather the MBP, I don't want it bad enough to pay twice what I consider it to be worth.
I've owned a dozen MBPs over the years. I have at least 4 MBPs in the house right now, along with a bunch of their desktops. Im their target audience, and I can afford to buy these machines. But they're simply not worth it. They're pricing themselves out of consideration.
It's not even touch screen. Come on.
Fair enough, if the current set up work why waste money on a new gadget. The thing is people go all the way fully beefed up beast, the thing I have learned with Apple is to get the base model, dump it when a new one arrives. That way you only loose a couple of hundred for each upgrade. Plenty of second hand market unlike a Windows laptop.
Apple always do interesting things with each upgrade so that way you keep up with their latest technology.
That's certainly an option. I tend to go the other way and upgrade everything at purchase, so they last a long time. My 2012 MBP still retains about 70% of it's value today, and it's still on par (or better) than machines coming out now. Which is lucky, because at this rate it looks like Im going to be using it till it dies. :)
That's the thing if you buy a top of the range model then it is hard to upgrade because you have a large amount invested in it, sure it does most of the things new machine will do but you miss out on a much better screen, better speakers, better touchpad etc.
Apple is very clever with their pricing, one little change will cost you $500, just go with the essential upgrades.
What good is it having one port when everything still uses their native connector?
The Day peripherals come with a USB Type C connector is the day I'll buy a laptop with 4 USB TYpe C ports.
That time is now. People don't get connect many legacy type peripherals these days. Time to kill these devices for good.
You have to remember this. If no company is willing to ditch one port, then it will never become mainstream. Someone has to start it.
For example when Apple got rid of the floppy disk on the original iMac.
One port to do everything is not feasible how is it forward thinking. Especially if we consider that most items are not up to that stage yet, which means you have useless ports that rely on adopters to be compatible with everything else you're using. That's hardly forward thinking, unless of course youre planning on keeping the same device for the next 10 years, waiting - and hoping for the rest of the world to follow your footsteps.
Also SD card slots are pretty big deal for most creative users. Unless apple is planning on releasing new memory cards that are compatible with their stupid ports without the additional adopter (and is somehow also compatible with what ever digital device the person is using )- I again don't see how this could be forward thinking. They should stop calling the device "PRO" at the very minimum.
yet we will all buy one anyway.
Of course, who can resist that logo….
Apple is no longer a serious computer company. They're a luxury brand that sells status symbols.
Is Microsoft also not a serious computer company now that they sell $5000 computers?
Come on now. While they're pricey they are actually useful products. Microsoft Surface and their own line are expensive. Google's Nexus and Pixel lines are expensive. At least with the Apple stuff you get free OS updates and don't have to resort to piracy or upgrade fees, since I doubt Windows 11 will be a free update, whereas Mavericks, Yosemite, El Capitan and Sierra have been free.
I doubt Windows 11 will be a free update, whereas Mavericks, Yosemite, El Capitan and Sierra have been free.
AFAIK Microsoft is forever updating Windows 10 for free. There won't be a Windows 11.
Not to mention that while limited, the Windows 10 upgrade was free from 7, 8, and 8.1.It was a bit too free IMO. The way they handled it was just bullshit. Worse than Apple with iOS updates which I also hate. At least iOS doesn't do a countdown and totally screw you over by updating when you turn your back.
I was anticipating the new MBP as I need an upgrade but I have to say I'm underwhelmed, mostly because of the graphics card. If it had the new GeForce 10 series, I would be sold.
Now I'm thinking of keeping my current 2015 MBP and buying a surface studio.
Maybe even waiting for next year to see what comes out with the nvidia 1070/1080.
What do people think of metabox / clevo desktop replacement laptops?
I'm not sure if I should go for pure grunt or more form factor.
I travel a fair bit but also do CAD and big data analysisClevo / Metabox are certainly okay products, build quality is a little hit and miss on some of their range
early Clevo was garbage, expect as BIG chunky laptop though espcially anything with a removeable GPU in itI guess Sleek looks belong to Apple, but remembering battery life is going to be sh!t if you are lugging around a gtx1070 capable laptop
if you want a long life battery either go a Macbook / Surface tablet but each to their ownI use mac, I use Windows based laptops too, both have many pros and cons, I like the fact if I have a fault with my mac, walk into apple, have it fixed or replaced on the spot, but some well known business companies also offer onsite support as well so you have to weigh up your options at the end of the day
In terms of price, the dollar has much to do with this over anything, so unfortunately we cop the crap end of the stick, if you don't like the pricing go for a cheaper windows based alternative.
yeah, i have had a metabox before and it was a great machine but the battery life was a problem for me.
i just saw the new razer blade pro which looks top end but im not sure about the trackpad on the right of the keyboard.
i have found in the past that an off centre keyboard is really hard to get used to"walk into apple"? Make appointment, wait for a week, and then walk into apple, you meant? :)
2015 MBP and already /need/ to upgrade? O_O
Might be best to go for desktop form factor and get whatever specification it is that you need.
If the 1 year old MacBook pro doesn't provide enough grunt I doubt the new one will.Yeah I'm going to decide between a desktop and the new razer blade pro
It's too skinny
I love it. It looks very futuristic and has so much potential. Sadly our AUD has been so shitty.
Depends from whose point of view you are looking at, it is good for exports and travel industry.
Don't care about either of those industries.
Ever think where jobs come from? Ever think about the economy, that you would have been taxed more to enjoy the same benefits you are right now had there not been foreigners travelling to Australia? No, you only care about yourself.
@shinichiduy: Remarkably silly view of the world. Do you form your views "listening to politicians" like a twit?
@Diji1: No, I based my view on knowledge obtained from education. If you don't understand, a bit of reading into economics issues might help. By no means did I say my view is complete although it is extremely difficult to say with absolute certainty that facts stated in my sentence are wrong or "silly" for that matter.
There are always 2 sides of the story. Be a wise and educated person by always having regard to both before stating your opinion
This is an invalid thread.
Those who buy a Mac buy because they are Apple fanboys/fangirls. Otherwise, you would be buying a cheaper alternative with better specs should you be the kind of person where logic prevails.
Macs are always overpriced for their specs when compared against alternatives. You would buy a Mac if you are an Apple fanboy/fangirl and/or for some ridiculous reason love the OS.
The argument is always the same. Like Apple? Buy a Mac. Want best value for money? Don't buy a Mac.
People buy Apple because their products are more reliable, backed by great support from Apple plus an efficient OS.
People who say that have never bought a Windows business laptop for the same price. They compare the $1000 windows laptop to the $2500 macbook.
Can't go wrong with Dell or HP Pro Support.Yes but Apple spend more on marketing. So this somehow makes Apple products so much better….. Even though the specs are the same yet price much higher.
Buying Apple you are paying for fluff. But hey, that's what people seem to want O.O - Apple do well to influence this strange misconception that their products are somehow part of an almost elitist technology which inspires more creativity and innovation in the consumer than other products would.
Love it.
@niner: lol best reply.
people buy mac because they love the OS - especially if you have an iphone and apple watch you get things like airdrop and your laptop auto-unlocks when you are nearby. even locking the screen by moving your mouse to the corner is so much better than ctrl+alt+del then enter for professional environments.macs are less prone to viruses, bloatware and general software / hardware issues than PC.
the battery life is amazing and the build quality is top notch. you would pay the same price for a windows based machine of the same quality / support services.
mac's also retain their value better than windows machinespeople who are anti-apple just dont understand the value proposition.
the only reason i use windows on my mac is because of micorosft office. if microsoft office is brought to the same level on a mac, id never need windows.
that said, the surface studio looks amazing - if it had a m.2 ssd and gtx1070/1080, i would be sold
@clickship: The faith is strong in this one. So much Apple. They'd be so proud. Enjoy your fluff! :)
Hold up man. The only reason I am getting one is because my work will hand them out for free. Need a new laptop to deploy some shit on the App store.
I will always buy windows based machines.
mac's also retain their value better than windows machines
Yeah, I don't care about this. I'm not one of those people that sells their computers.
that said, the surface studio looks amazing - if it had a m.2 ssd and gtx1070/1080, i would be sold
That's a very fancy all in one that doesn't suit people like me. I'm not a graphics designer or video editing monkey. I do engineering. Apple products give me the shits. They're too under powered for the primary work I do. Dell Precision Workstations are what I use at work most of the time.
@clickship: I think the value proposition is what turns so many away from Apple, as there is quite poor value to be had. They market so heavily to 'persuade' people that the brand is worth 2k extra
I don't know where you guys are getting the $2000 difference. Seriously, it is not that much. Regardless of the specifications MAC Pro will still run better than a laggy Windows PC with the same specs.
If you spend apple money on a Windows laptop you will get the same if not a better product.
But these are terribly marketed.
I went in to JB a couple of weeks ago, their best lenovo laptop was an E series ( none of the X series or P series on sale )Walk into Apple and there is top range products on the self.
The average person thinks windows laptops are inferior because all they are offered is the low range junk
@DrDollar: Another twit struggling to understand that people don't want he wants and then he draws the conclusion that this means people are brainwashed by marketing somehow which is a considerably dumber viewpoint.
marketing somehow which is a considerably dumber viewpoint.
Yeah, but the Apple users tend to be complete morons who need to be called out. I don't care what people use, but that doesn't give them the right to call out other operating systems for being 'bad' or 'slow' and be left alone. Most of those people are computer illiterates.
I'm talking basic consumers who do nothing but go on facebook, surf the web, watch videos and play solitaire. Yet they think they can make an informed opinion.
@rememberme: But the Windows machines come with so much amazing time limited and crippled software bundled with the machine. How could that not be seen as great value?
@Daabido: I was talking about hardware specs and build quality.
I agree, Bundled junk software is an embarrassment to Microsoft, and reveals how each company sees its customer.
To Apple, the customer is Joe Blow who is buying the product
To Microsoft , the customer is HP or Dell
Yeah true. But this laptop is a piece of shit and it's overpriced.
People buy Apple because their products are more reliable
First time I've ever heard this and i giggled a bit.
The average consumer buy Apple products for "status". Apple has realised this, that's why they get away with such ridiculous pricing for low/mid spec laptops. It's sad that people don't realise that there are better alternatives.
And your talking as though you don't buy status symbols which is simply stupid.
@Diji1: I don't buy products to maintain a "status" believe it or not.
I'd rather buy products:
- Which i intend to use.
- That are objectively better (hardware wise) than Apple products for a lower or slightly higher price.
You know who the real stupid people are? The people who would buy a product to look "cool" and "trendy".
Edit: formatting.
@j3t1yf: Right your so amazingly speshul with your self-assessed brilliant buying decisions that are no different to someone buying a mac except you aren't buying a mac.
god damm non retina macbook sata cables die stupid often.
And your talking as though you don't buy status symbols which is simply stupid
You sound like a typical asian. So materialistic and shallow.
@Diji1: What on earth are you talking about?
How are my buying decisions "no different" again? I just said that i take the specs and price into consideration when making a purchase.
If you're going to mock me, at least do it properly.
Did you keep giggling when IBM revealed that deploying Macs was saving them hundreds of thousands of dollars a year?
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3131906/apple-mac/ibm-s…
@Daabido: I'm giggling now because having a UNIX-like system is still cheaper than buying a MacBook.
Edit: i read the whole article. Some of the comments in the article are very telling.
And have a look at this: https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/07/15Apple-and-IBM-For…
I wonder why IBM would promote Apple's upcoming MacBook? Golly gee i can't tell.
E.g. one of many comments.
Before people jump on the bandwagon and switch to MACs, they should do some homework first such as learn how these IBM statistics were obtained. Last year, IBM had nearly 380k employees. Of that, 30k were using MACs. This means that potentially over 300k employees were using PCs. What kind of jobs were those 300k employees doing that required helpdesk assistance? Were the MAC users simply using their machines to type up documents and fill up spreadsheets while the PC users were logging into a centralized system and needing their passwords reset? How were they using their machines? And were they comparing 1 year old PCs to 1 year old MACs or were they comparing 5 year old PCs to 1 year old MACs? Too many questions, not enough answers.
@j3t1yf: I think I'll trust that IBM has done its figures correctly internally rather than take the word of a commentator with no insider knowledge.
As for the article you mention, it is do with iPad and iOS, not macOS.
Finally, I giggle at the thought of IBM finally slapping itself on its corporate head when they realise they can increase productivity, profitability and employee satisfaction by getting their cousin Bob to waddle down to uMart and slap together a Linux machine and plop it on the employees' desks.
Hey, even better, than amortised cost of OS / 2 must now be $0 too. Why not whack that on the machines and reminisce how Microsoft screwed them in the development of WIndows.
I think I'll trust that IBM has done its figures correctly internally rather than take the word of a commentator with no insider knowledge.
Firstly, according to the 2015 IBM annual report, IBM had 377,757 employees. IBM tells us that 90,000 of their employees are using Macs in the article. So how many potential PC/Other users are there? You do the math.
Secondly, IBM has a partnership with Apple, it's obvious why they would push Apple products.
Third, i would like to know what are they doing with MacBooks that cheaper alternatives (e.g. Google Chromebooks) can't do?
Fourth, i looked at Tim Cook's bio:
Tim also spent 12 years with IBM, most recently as director of North American Fulfillment where he led manufacturing and distribution functions for IBM’s Personal Computer Company in North and Latin America.
Finally, I giggle at the thought of IBM finally slapping itself on its corporate head when they realise they can increase productivity, profitability and employee satisfaction by getting their cousin Bob to waddle down to uMart and slap together a Linux machine and plop it on the employees' desks.
What is this uninformed babble? Are you not aware that there are companies (e.g. Dell) who sell quality pre-loaded linux systems?
As for the article you mention, it is do with iPad and iOS, not macOS.
You mean the press info i posted. My point is Apple and IBM have a partnership. It's clear why IBM would push Apple products.
Heh my 2010 mbp with an ssd is the best piece of tech I ever bought. Granted secondhand $800 in 2011
Battery is great, performance was great, still relatively is for a value $300 today.
It's been through a lot and still looks good.
O.O
It begins!
Want a good UNIX-based system? Buy a Mac. Get your head out of your arse.
As someone who actually professionally uses a macOS, you're so deluded. Literally the only things Windows does better than macOS are support for games and the new Linux compatibility layer.
•I need an OS that won't force me to reboot during work: macOS/Linux.
•I need commercial software: macOS/Windows.
•I need a laptop with actual decent touch drivers: macOS/Linux.
•I need to develop and cross-compile: macOS/Linux.
•I need to develop iOS apps: macOS.
•I need to use Sketch: macOS.
•I want to use the Affinity Suite: macOS.
•I want free OS updates for several years. macOS/Linux.You're comparing the crappiest HP/Asus/Acer laptops with a laptop in a totally different class. Do you remember when everybody whined about the UltraBook prices? Oh, wait, they were the same price, if not more than the MacBook Air.
That being said, the new MacBooks are over-priced. Previous years models have been comparable.
Fluffy!
shutup and take my money
I bought my air 13" on the same day Steve jobs died
The laptop runs better than my surface which was purchased a year ago
Yes Apple products are expensive, but they work and work better than most pc products
Then again the new MB is too expensive to buy as an indulgent upgrade
$2000 can be spent buying something else
The laptop runs better than my surface which was purchased a year ago
The old Apple user's argument. No substance, just based on feeling.
They don't work better. That's another bullshit statement. I use both (for work purposes). My high specced surface outperforms any macbook. It's all in the internals.
What do you do with your computer? Word processing? Browsing the internet?
I do everything buddy
Including watching porn
And every bit runs better than the shitty surface
Get a life mate! It's the best Unix based machine out there for a lot of people who care about not having to fight with drivers and care about battery all the time.
A lot of programmers like me chose it thanks to this.
Thank you. I'm so damn tired of people whinging. Hilariously, people who use their computers for more technical things opt for macOS. Hackintosh is great and I use that as my primary non-portable. I own a MacBook because they're quality and hassle free.
As an aside; I'm so damn amazed at how utterly crap the Windows trackpad drivers are, even for the MacBook trackpad. The Windows developers either don't know about track pads or have never compared them. Last time I checked, scrolling down on a trackpad does not provide any tactile feedback, so why in hell do they scroll by lines? The scroll wheel has tactile feedback to indicate each line increment, the trackpad drivers on Windows just go from 0-100 in half a second and before you know it, you're on page 13 of a freshly opened PDF.
All you get with Windows PC is viruses, please call 1800…… to unlock your PC, lol.
People who still get viruses in 2016 shouldn't really own a computer imo.
I found the windows fanboy. /thread
No, you found the full stack developer.
@niner: As a developer you of all people should know what a crap-fest Windows is as a developer environment. Windows 10 has improved slightly, but the input widget still sucks majorly. Home/End vs Command+Left/Command+Right are reason enough to be annoyed with Windows, imo. Less of an issue if you use vim, but if you're using vi on Windows, you probably shouldn't be.
Macbook Pro 13" is 14.9mm thick. However that includes the lid and the bottom part that curves down a bit.
USB A is 12mm thick. Now tell me how it fits? That leaves 2.9mm for the lid sectiom, bottom part and you have to leave a tiny gap between the top and bottom of the side.
It doesn't fit.
For reference the thickest part of the Macbook Air is 17mm.
Now i'm not defending Apple but you should do a bit of research before saying ' I doubt it'.
It's like how people complain about no USB A on the Macbook even though you can't physically fit it.
I think what Apple should have done is included an adapter as part of the laptop