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Also. This is shit. They have so many locks and the gun is put in this silly Metal slider thingy. Go to timezone and play time crisis. Cheaper and way more fun.
or just find a mate with firearms and ask if he will take you out shooting. i have even done target pistol comps with a borrowed pistol (both semi auto .22 and semi auto 38super) at the local range as well as shot rifles out over 800m to hit a 10cm metal gong target :) all completely legal without a even having a firearms licence
edit: lolwtf. anyone care to mention why they are negging this? it is completely legal to shoot someones gun at a firing range if they are "supervising" you (aka there with you making sure your competent and not going to do anything stupid)…. idiots…
Firearms legislation varies around the country. There are processes in place for people to shoot unlicensed at ranges but not always so clear cut on private/public land.
or just find a mate with firearms and ask if he will take you out shooting
Your statement isn't clear which may be why more knowledgeable folk may be disagreeing.
P650 in NSW may preclude someone with a criminal record or history of violence etc from shooting at a range. Try and get a better understanding of what you're ranting about before calling anyone who disagrees idiots.
I negged the comment because you were crying like a little schoolgirl for getting a couple of negs…and I wish comment negs weren't anonymous.
Do people on this forum have criminal records? Learn something new every day.
There are processes in place for people to shoot unlicensed at ranges but not always so clear cut on private/public land.
they are in SA, perfectly fine to shoot anything as long as the registered owner is with you. no one can shoot handguns on private property but long guns are fine (was at a friends cattle property where they, including a cop friend, regularly shoot out over 1000m). property owner just happens to be a registered firearms dealer and manufacturer AND multimillionaire to boot… such is life…
Your statement isn't clear which may be why more knowledgeable folk may be disagreeing.
i thought it was pretty clear, i even commented that i had done pistol comps which are only run at ranges… how can i be more clear than that?
before calling anyone who disagrees idiots.
i dont give a shit about the negs it just annoys me when spinless morons neg something without giving a reason for the neg.
you were crying like a little schoolgirl
crying? hardly. not even close champ.
a couple of negs
last i checked i think it was 5 negs without a simple moron pointing out where anything i said was wrong? couple being usually 1 or 2… once again quite off the mark champ… but at least you stepped up to get beat down by someone that apparently knows more than you about the facts, even without actually being a licensed shooter..
FWIW the comps i competed in were at an army range…. i also have a criminal record for several what is classed as "serious drug crimes" which i was sentences to several years (around 15 years ago) AND have recently (about a year ago) passed my firearms licence application and police clearances to obtain all my relevant firearms licence classes including handguns (all after clearly detailing my convictions in my application, its illegal to hide that kind of info in your application)… everyone i shoot with/borrow guns from knows my history including the cop i regularly shoot with… i have actually been to 4 different ranges here in SA and never once so much as asked for ID let alone history.. i was also working for a firearms manufacturer at one point, which is the reason for me applying for my licence because i was looking at also becoming a firearms dealers assistant myself which meant also being able to legally manufacture firarms and silencers completely legally myself… it seems your information may well be flawed, at least when it comes to SA laws…
Wow, what a rant. You really don't like people disagreeing with your opinion!
i thought it was pretty clear, i even commented that i had done pistol comps which are only run at ranges… how can i be more clear than that?
Not really, this is a WA only deal and now you've started carrying on about SA legislation. I know very little about the laws in either state but the point that you're helping me make is that we don't have uniform gun laws in Australia and the general comments about what you get up to doesn't apply to everyone in the country.
You're pissing and moaning about your comment being negged and I'm just trying to help you understand why.
I know very little about the laws in either state
so why are you talking like you are some kind of authority? if you have no idea about either SA or WA laws why either comment or more so neg me? according to you you have no idea if what i said was even slightly wrong? you are in fact far worse than what i said because at least what i said is backed up by fact. im not even sure you actually understand your own states laws let alone can speak about other states laws….
dont get me wrong… im glad you have explained your neg, it just seems that as usual people who neg without comment, and even you who at least took the time to comment are often completely brainless on the topic at hand…
You're missing the point champ, maybe the drugs have taken their toll or maybe you're just not interested in hearing anyone else's point of view but we're just going around in circles now.
so why are you talking like you are some kind of authority?
I'm not. Your statement isn't clear which may be why more knowledgeable folk may be disagreeing. If your original statement had more detail maybe it wouldn't have sounded like such a load of rubbish for people in states with laws that only allow unlicensed shooters to shoot at a range.
if you have no idea about either SA or WA laws why either comment or more so neg me?
Would Zombies count as vermin do you think?
i do believe the law clearly states that rabbits, foxes and zombies are bag limit exempt, so i believe so ;)
Well then this is clearly about pest control which has always been about protecting our families, society and nature.
I was being sarcastic :p
Good thing it was made harder to own a gun by Howard, else we May of ended up like USA with teens racking up rampages and pentakills.
Or may not have.
In any case one has to weigh the pros and cons and spree killings like have happened here and in the USA and extremely rare events: you have vanishingly small chances of being affected by one in any real way so it makes no sense to use that as a reason.
It's like having a blanket ban on going out in thunderstorms because of lightning strikes (except it makes less sense even).
I believe it actually isn't illegal however the legal requirements for storing firearms and ammunition render them pointless (if one follows the law).
That's for most people including city dwellers and farmers a like: it's not like you can use a firearm as a tool to kill a fox when you have to go back to the ute, unlock a gun case, retrieve ammunition from another place, load the weapon - THEN you can shoot the fox except it's now moved interstate :p
Which is a pity - we can only imagine how many women ((along with other law abiding citizens) would not be attacked/raped were they able to brandish a firearm, should they choose, and use it to drive the attacker off for at close ranges handguns are the great equaliser.
I believe it actually isn't illegal
assuming you were aiming that at me, it is absolutely illegal in australia for anyone except security with a special licence etc to own or carry a firearm for self defence. the laws are very clear on that here in aus.
it's not like you can use a firearm as a tool to kill a fox when you have to go back to the ute, unlock a gun case, retrieve ammunition from another place, load the weapon - THEN you can shoot the fox except it's now moved interstate :p
actually i have regularly gone out fox shooting with a mate, on his own property it is completely legal to store his rifle, loaded, on the dashboard of his vehicle while he drives around his property looking for foxes. he also used to cull on government lands where very similar rules exist. remember there is a very different set of laws around culling and hunting.
Which is a pity - we can only imagine how many women ((along with other law abiding citizens) would not be attacked/raped were they able to brandish a firearm, should they choose, and use it to drive the attacker off for at close ranges handguns are the great equaliser.
if you follow what is happening in america that is very true. the places with the strictest gun laws also have the highest violence and highest gun violence rates… paris has one of the strictest gun control regimes in the world and people ran through the streets with ak47's and killed hundreds of people…. imagine if just 2 or 3 "good guys with a gun" were in paris and could have stopped that attack before it claimed hundreds of lives? the orlando shooting was in a "gun free zone", statistically there should have been around 60 CCW holders in that venue at the time of the massacre, each one able to end the rampage of the terrorist without the massive loss of life that was caused by the 5 hours people bled to death waiting for the cops to finally end the terror…
Glad to see a well thought out response in this cesspit of a thread
Does that mean that a legal owner of a firearm, keeping it in an appropriate safe at home, is unable to legally utilise it for self defense in the event that he is attacked in his own home?
I get the carry laws, you can't even carry a pocket knife, but I'm not sure I'd have the restraint to not at least brandish a weapon I owned if that situation arose.
actually i have regularly gone out fox shooting with a mate, on his own property it is completely legal to store his rifle, loaded, on the dashboard of his vehicle while he drives around his property looking for foxes.
Driving around with a loaded firearm on the dash is just downright stupid. Idiotic behaviour like this just contributes to governments trying to legislate for stupidity and turn us into more of a nanny state.
“Accidental Discharges” DO NOT OCCUR !!
An "Unintended Discharge" is nothing more than the lack of appropriate safety procedures or the failure to follow them..!
Above quote was taken from a sensible member on local firearms forum.
if you follow what is happening in america that is very true. the places with the strictest gun laws also have the highest violence and highest gun violence rates… paris has one of the strictest gun control regimes in the world and people ran through the streets with ak47's and killed hundreds of people…. imagine if just 2 or 3 "good guys with a gun" were in paris and could have stopped that attack before it claimed hundreds of lives? the orlando shooting was in a "gun free zone", statistically there should have been around 60 CCW holders in that venue at the time of the massacre, each one able to end the rampage of the terrorist without the massive loss of life that was caused by the 5 hours people bled to death waiting for the cops to finally end the terror…
General public carrying guns around the streets for protection is such an idiotic argument to promote safety in the community. Most sane people understand that losing tens of thousands of lives to protect a few hundred is nonsensical. Unfortunately it's always the nutjobs who are loudest and give sensible gun owners a bad name.
legal to store his rifle, loaded, on the dashboard of his vehicle while he drives around his property looking for foxes.
You are both right, just talking about different things. He was saying you can't routinely carry a gun, so that if you happen to see a fox you can get it. Its a different story if you are actively hunting.
the places with the strictest gun laws also have the highest violence and highest gun violence
Come on - you are a smart guy, and this argument should be very familiar. Correlation is not causation.
The real link is rather obvious. At best you might use the data to argue that strict local gun control does not work in the US. But to imply it makes crime worse reflects poorly on you.tell me einstein, how does an accidental discharge happen with a loaded mag in a bolt action rifle without a round in the chamber? just more stupid ranting from an idiot drama queen….
Touchy little sausage aren't you!
To most people I've shot with a loaded gun has a round in the chamber.
once again… so factually incorrect…
just the first link i found with a quick google http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/g/definition-of-loaded.htm
Well, when it comes to firearms (guns), loaded means "having ammunition inside." There may be ammo in the magazine but not in the chamber, and the gun is still considered to be loaded even though there's not a cartridge in the chamber ready to fire. As long as the gun has ammunition inside of it, it's loaded.
maybe you should head back to facebook… it seems more your level of intelligence…. or maybe its just that everyone else is incorrect except you…
once again… so factually incorrect…
Dunno if about.com is really the best source of information. Reading around the place some people call rounds in the magazine loaded and others consider a chambered round as loaded, I am of the latter. I guess if you're referring to driving around without a round in the chamber then your previous statement isn't as reckless and idiotic as I read it.
Unfortunately it doesn't make you any less obnoxious or self righteous.
maybe you should head back to facebook… it seems more your level of intelligence
Didn't realise there was an entrance exam required for OzBargain :) I'll take my views back to the sensible, responsible shooters I prefer to associate with and leave you to take yours to your drug dealing mates who think share you fanciful ideas of society somehow becoming a safer place with more people carrying guns on our streets.
I'm done exchanging insults with you.
like i said, that was just the FIRST link i found, im sure if i spent more than 10 seconds i could have found a much more reliable source but the that still wouldnt change the facts that having an empty chamber but a loaded mag in a bolt action is not a neg discharge risk and is in fact completely safe and legal operation…
your drug dealing mates
nice slander… once again completely wrong. dont you ever get sick of being so stupid? the only drugs any of my mates have anything to do with is alcohol and while i accept that alcohol is a very dangerous drug and causes more deaths every year than illegal drugs and firearms combined it is still completely legal to obtain, use and share…
Learn to protect yourself and family this long weekend, learn how to shoot
That's ileagle in Australia. You cannot get a gun license on the premise of 'self defence', you cannot use a gun for self defence, we have no castle doctrine. I'd be taking this down (or modifying the OP's words), if I was the Admin's.
Squawk
Making fun of sick birds is not cool man, that poor eagle is ill.
Whoop whoop fun police!
Sanctimony Brigade is here. Mustn't be any McDonald's threads today.
Incorrect: one is able to use "reasonable" force in Australia including firearms although I'd hate to go to court and have people argue over whether it's "reasonable" that I shoot someone that came into my home uninvited. I'd rather be able to shoot them before we get to them doing the thing that means i can "reasonably" use a firearm against them in self-defence.
So called castle doctrine allows one to shoot someone merely for venturing onto one property.
Why would you want to use a gun. It's too quick. You don't get to savour all the little emotions that run across a persons face
Agreed hammers and a 10kg box of nails are currently 40% off at Masters, so are the ear plugs. Probably still cheaper at Bunnings tho….
The best defence is offence. Remember shoot to kill don't hesitate.
Le reddit sent me here XD
Is that a secret internet club?
Me ozbargain meme "broden" XD
Shooting and hunting are fun, but spare us the "Learn to protect yourself and family" bullshit.
Shooting and hunting are fun
fun? really? i guess so is eating your grandchildren……… that is a pretty sickening comment. im not against hunting either for sustenance or environmental protection or even personal protection… but to call it "fun" i find really sickening… it has been long proven that finding "fun" in killing things leads to serial killers…
maybe you are just in a manic phase of your mental disorder?
I guess you don't like fishing either?
Fishing is fun too, but that does not mean I emit a maniacal laugh as I kill and gut it.of course i do… i also like hunting.. i also like collecting mushrooms… i also like mowing my lawns… what is your point?
i do not like killing things, i do not find "fun" in it… but i accept that it needs to happen if i want to eat things..
I love fishing but gave it up as couldn't justify the kill or trauma . (I don't like to eat fish).
You can enjoy the challenge and adventure of hunting while still valuing the life of animals.
Unfortunately some are just too abundant (rabbits) and population needs to be controlled.
if you've never shot a firearm before, i recommend doing the 22 first. 9mm is also suitable as the recoil is manageable for newbies. just don't go for the desert eagle first ;)
When I was a kid, they took us to the range and gave us 7.62mm SLRs. Must have put a few bruised kids off guns for life :)
But do they have a desert eagle at the range? If so, I would like to try it out one day.
The "monster truck" of hand-guns :-)
Do they have an Uzi?
Nephew went a couple years back and paid to use the Deagle, said it was awesome but very expensive.
They do. It's $150 for 25 rounds. It's the 357mag version, so not an uncontrollable cannon but you're not going to enjoy it much if you aren't familiar with handling the recoil
except it is illegal for the public to own/carry a firearm for self defence in australia….