Paid no attention to parents with pram parking at shopping centres until I became a parent myself 9 months ago.
Just wondering what your interpretation is of these spots?.
I have seen: Adults with no kids, car seat,or pram park in these sports and I have also seen families park in these spots where the kids are of primary school age and beyond and no longer need to be in a pram.
My kids are too old for these spots now and I don't use them. They came in just as my kids were passing that age. I don't resent them and I don't want to see other parents miss out. It's not that childless people have no soul - it's that there are added difficulties when shopping with young children and we should all be supporting each other as a society, not just looking after our own selfish needs.
By the way just a quick tip: Don't apologise "for the majority of moronic self-absorbed parents out there" and accuse others of "sheer arrogance" in the same breath. It makes you look foolish and hypocritical.
it's that there are added difficulties when shopping with young children and we should all be supporting each other as a society, not just looking after our own selfish needs.
There's that no-one has any difficulties but parents attitude I know and despise.
quick tip: Learn to use the English language before you throw around big boy words like hypocritical.
I'm sorry am I using words that are too big for a child and parent hater?
I interpret them as parking spots designed to give enough space for prams, capsules, and safety due to location.
When I have a pram I park in them if available and convenient. When I don't have a pram I don't park in them as part of the contract for entry and use of the private carpark is to obey such designations.
I find it slightly annoying when people without the designated equipment/passengers park there but I don't waste too much mental energy on it.
They are good but Westfield Geelong has a designated fenced off kids parking area which is just fantastic. I wish they'd roll that out elsewhere (if it passes a CBA).
I haven't been to Westfield Geelong, but given that you've mentioned it's a private car park, that only leads to the fact that you cannot be issued an enforceable infringement anywhere within that car park (such as Westfield Doncaster).
Their limitation of liabilities from you would be capped to the actual losses Westfield would've incurred by you parking in a parent parking spot without the correct 'credentials'. As I'm sure Westfield would apply the same time conditions and paid parking conditions to both parents and non-parents, Westfield's actual losses are zero. Thus, even if Westfield were to take legal action against you for "wrongfully" parking in a parent parking spot their claim would be limited to a maximum of $0.00.
If it is a private car park patrolled by council (as in Westfield Southland) you won't be issued an infringement as parent parking spots do not legally exist (as disabled spots do).
I'm not familiar with whether the council patrols said carpark as I use that carpark perhaps once a year at most as I don't live in Geelong.
Thanks for the legal advice. While you have forgotten that 'nominal damages' is an available remedy in such circumstances, the potential for damages against me are not the motivating factor in my honouring the terms of the contract I agree to in this instance. My own sense of personal honour is the main motivating factor, with a slight acknowledgement that there is a practical importance to people obeying the directions in a car park, and that lack of consequence is a poor justification for engaging in behaviour that has negative externalities (serving to make impractical something that would be beneficial on aggregate or beneficial to a special class that face a particular difficulty with normal arrangements).
Besides, the beauty of the parents section of that carpark isn't just that the parents benefit. It's that everyone benefits. The parents and children are segregated, leaving childless me (as the majority of my use of that carpark has been) less in need to concern myself with the potential of an incident in the other areas of the carpark. Of course one must still look out for the fools with their noses in their phones and the fools who hoon around, but in an imperfect world mitigation is to be celebrated.
I've always been annoyed that seats on planes, trains and buses that have extra legroom aren't reserved for tall people. Us tallies are more important than regular people
i agree with you there, im a shorty so no self interest in it but tall people should absolutely get more room. its a safety issue on planes too because you get cramped.
If you can book very early and reserve (pay extra) that seat just behind the second door (left side). You can stretch out to your hearts delight and not even have the claustrophobic concern that the ignorant b in front of you may recline their chair back and end up in your lap. Of course the airlines cannot guarantee any booking let alone any seat. I try to book that seat for my son otherwise he physically gets serious muscle spasms and has to stand in the aisle frequently.
its still not right that tall people have to pay extra to do that. the airline chose to make the seats smaller and put in no practices to ensure tall people are given the room they need when they book, making them pay like its some premium luxury. these tall people are actually just in the normal range for human height. unfortunately airlines seem to be a law onto themselves and discrimination laws (fairness) don't seem to cover them
I'm glad they have these spots for parents and their kids. I remember when I was a bratty kid and would fling open the car door without any thought for the people parked next to us.
I love my car so I get paranoid enough as it is parking next to any other car. I'm always parking right at the very back of the car park preferably next to a pole/wall so I have one less vehicle either side of me! The more parents park away from me the better!
chances of it happening are rare and not worth the worry. its happened to me once and the child was certainly not a brat. small price and you can get a scratch fixed. So not an important thing to be worried about in life. Worry about children getting sick or loved ones dying.
I have a kid of primary school age now. But never parked in kids with prams spot. Maybe it's just 1 kid and easy to handle. I reckon that spot would be lot easier with people with multiple kids. Sometimes kids just want to climb down and run around when poor parent is trying to unbuckle little ones. It's hard to keep kids to ask to stand still or control opening the door. I think it's easier to judge people but being a mother, I know it's hard to keep them from running. Sometimes they are not in mood to listen or they are throwing a tantrum. It will be easier for the parent if they park at such places.
Have you never heard of a child-lock on a car door? It means it cannot be opened from the inside. There is usually a small switch when the door is opened to toggle on/off.
I do and I use it myself for my child. But I have seen the situation wherein kids trying to run and parent having hard time controlling them
I'm neutral about the parent parking spots. Am single and law abiding so I happily leave the spots designated for disabled, car wash, tyre shop, parents, employees.
To me the parent parking spots are a marketing gimmick. Its designed to appeal to the parents who are attracted to convenience. If you think about it the kids don't care how close the car is parked. Kids are overflowing with excess energy, enthusiasm and time (eg. run, hide, dodge, tag, trolleys).
The parking spots are purposely designed by the shopping centre to bring in the parents that wouldn't come otherwise. I say let those parents who are into an easy/entitled/selfish lifestyle be manipulated to custom at the greedy shopping centres. If others don't like the shopping centres there are alternate places to shop and who need your support.
I'm biased as I love smaller unique shops and have insight into some of Westfield's centre management and extortionist tactics.
It's not a gimmick when you have a pram and you need to get around easily.
If you can walk, use the stairs and park at a normal spot.
There's always utes parking at those spots,
(profanity)
The reason my wife uses the parent spaces at the supermarket is to take our 3 month old infant in to the supermarket requires CARRYING him in her arms so she can put him in the baby seat in the trolley, cant take the pram in. So being close to the entrance is a godsend.
For parents with kids who can walk, I see no reason to use the spots. But kids that need to be carried in for various reasons, they are a good idea.
EDIT: Actually kids who can run/walk are a fair danger unto themselves in any carpark. Not having to walk through rows and rows of cars probably saves a kid being reversed into now and then. SO I do see the added value for little kids who are likely to run off and get hurt. :/
Agreed. The pram spots help in many ways:
1. Wider girth
- so you can open your door fully to strap your kid in
- easier to load capsule
2. closer to shops
- this is not about kids being lazy to walk etc.
- Kids and prams are small and have low visibility from reversing cars etc. Parents of newborns will especially understand how it feels having to push a pram in a busy car park, having to scan for all cars, whether cars reversing out, cars still hunting for parks etc. Children aren't trolleys that bounce back when cars hit them. Less distance = less risk.
What kind of society have we come to that we find it difficult to empathise with the hardship of others? Even if you do not care for the parents, is there no room to be concerned about children?
Personally, I would prefer that parking spots in general were a little wider (rather than having parents with prams spots). Less cars would be damaged by doors being opened and there would be less "someone damaged my car AGAIN" rage. Happiness all round.
Also a walkway through the car park to provide a safe thoroughfare and prevent idiots from walking behind cars after they have started reversing.
And yes, I know that none of this will actually happen.
Oh wow! I'm a parent for 23 months now and I still haven't noticed these spots.
I didn't think it was a problem walking a little bit from the car to the door. But what do I know. I only have 1 kid.
I park in pram spots all the time, no kids. That's life. Suck it up parents.
Thug Life. You show those mummies and cute little babies who's BOSS!
Gold
I have a hammer which I got few cars with who parked In disabled or pram spaces. Your next
Wow - a heated debate. I view these parking spots as a suggested courtesy to mums with kids. Although not a legal obligation, I would not park there without children. I view it as a courtesy just as I would give up my seat to an elderly person on the bus or train. Others are not obligated to, but I will consider those that don't to be selfish (to put it politely). All of us have loved ones who are old or have kids and would appreciate the public treating them well
I finish work late and park in them at night as I've yet to see a parent with a stroller at the shops at 8:30pm. Haven't parked in them in the day since that's when people with strollers are out and about but yeah, these are a courtesy by the shops to their consistently higher spend customers. Kids cost a small fortune to keep alive, the coles and woolies of the world are absolutely going to give families preference over the rest.
I asked a shopping centre about the issue as people were parking in the spots without any hint of kids. They just said it's actually not a rule, more of a preference that people follow. It's really nothing special. So after that I thought I might as well park there.
Now with 2 kids myself I park in the spots more often, but given the shopping centre's own attitude I would park there without kids if there were no other spots available. The fact is, even with kids, I don't mind parking wherever anyway. This whole 'need a wider parking spot' would be nice but toughen up.
Really no big deal, before kids I thought about it, but now after, I figure it's not a right. Having kids doesn't make you disabled, it's not even in the same boat.
Much like motorcycle filtering. I used to think 'damn that's unfair' but now having a motorcycle I realise that it doesn't hold anyone up, it's safer for the motorcyclist and in fact faster for everyone. I now give a wide berth to motorcyclists if they want to filter.
i assume motorcycle filtering is when they go between cars in traffic? never had an issue with this - actually appreciate that they do it. don't know why people hate them unless its a jealousy thing. people don't like when people overtake them and speed up so probably same sort of mentality. hate having to drive behind a motorcycle or have one drive behind me, so i like when they go and good on them i say.
motorcycle riders are the best! they cause so much less trouble than everyone else, they dont take up a tonne of room in carparks and its all at their expense - they are less protected in accidents and also rain and weather. much less selfish than other people. never seen one cause other people trouble but i have seen people cause them trouble. wish the carpark would reserve special spots for them!
If you can walk around a westfield with kids in tow, you can walk the extra 50m out the door like everyone else to your car
My mum is one of those people who occasionally thinks it's okay to park in these parks when she is just running in for one thing or if it's late at night/close to the shops shutting.
I am one of those people who refuse to get out of the car when she does this unless she moves to another park because it's not fair for her to take up a park when we're perfectly able to park in any other park.
that is so sad :( no matter what you don't like about your mum doing, you should always have her back no matter what. don't care what other people think they aren't going to support you like your mum will. when you're grieving these people aren't gonna care less about you but your mum will. take care of your mum while you have her. None of us are perfect but anyone who has an issue with your mum, shouldn't get your support. Your mum can fight her own battles but she can't fight you breaking her heart, that cuts worse than anyone else because she loves you. She knows you don't like her doing it, just get out of the car and show her that you love her regardless.
Good ethics
CBF reading all 4 pages, but my policy is simple. I abide by the law. If/where/when parent parking spots are legally enforced, I will not park there. If they are simply recommended (as most are) for parents with prams, then it's totally fair game.
Neg all you like but I couldn't care less.
It's not my fault that parents cannot manage their own business within a normal parking spot. Those inconveniences come with parenthood, and parents should not feel entitled to any specific favours unless such favours are afforded to them by law (for example, on public transport).
If you are a parent and your pathetic reason excuse is that your car is too big, you should sell your environmentally-unfriendly mum taxi, carefully rethink your choice of vehicle and purchase/drive something which you can manage more readily.
If your excuse is that you have problems accessing your vehicle with all of your offspring and cannot cope with a parking spot that is some distance away, perhaps you can consider some easier alternatives such as:
In other words, don't expect concessions for your own life choices. If you have a car and children, you are doing much, much better than others in our 'modern' society.
Do yourself a favour. Drop your self-given sense of entitlement and do your own work. Parenting was not supposed to be easy, so don't expect it will be. Besides, you aren't aged. Nor are you involuntarily disabled. If you can manage your children in a shopping centre/supermarket/mall/wherever you're going then I am absolutely positive that you can manage to walk the length of a car park.
Slightly OT but….
I'll never forget the time my (able bodied) father in law parked over the middle line separating TWO disabled spots in the underground carpark of a retirement home. His reasoning was he didn't want anyone to hit his new car doors in the carpark, so decided taking up 2 disabled spots (at a weird angle mind you) was the right thing to do.
I was in the car at the time and let's just say he ended up moving to a regular, single spot :D
I think basing your ethics simply on what the law allows and does not allow makes for a mindless and practically quite poor philosophy.
In any case (assuming a direction to obey all signs/directions exists within the terms), your action is still a breach of the law. In this case contract law. It is simply one where damages are unlikely or at the least unlikely to be demonstrable as in this case breaches of the terms are minor and impractical to act upon (the resources required to perfectly monitor such things and actually execute towings etc would not pass a CBA). In these circumstances, the matter is still a breach of the contract and thus a breach of contract law, and nominal damages are still an available remedy (though again practically they likely would not pass a CBA in this instance).
You seem to be of the belief that statutory law is the only law or that elements enshrined in statutory law are the only legally recognised elements. I'm not a lawyer, only a legal graduate, but still I can assure you that is not the case.
Now as I said originally, I think basing one's ethics on what is and is not legal is a foolish and lazy philosophy, however you seem to be internally inconsistent. To rectify that inconsistency either your actions need to change or your philosophy needs to change. Personally, I'd favour tweaks to both.
I normally try to avoid parking in these spots, but there's rare occasions where i have no choice and in that situation I'll Park there only if there's nobody else behind me with kids in the car.
Only times I remember parking in them intentionally was when I bought some big suitcases,made it a lot easier to load them because of the extra space around the car.
That said, in normal situations I leave those parking spots alone.
As someone with a 4 month old, a child seat perpetually in the car, and 9 times out of 10, a pram in the back (it's a wagon) … seeing someone without any of these things in a pram spot is kind of annoying.
At the same time, I don't care, because, it's just a parking spot, but why even bother marking it as anything if barely anyone cares, at least more people respect disability parking spots.
Isn't the whole point of the wider parking spot so that you can get your pram/kids out without smashing up the guy next to you's door? Same with like disabled parking, so you can get out, since you have trouble doing that presumably. And if you have no problem getting yourself out, then go park in a bloody normal spot.
My partner didn't go through 9 months of pregnancy so you could take her damn spot for no reason other than your own laziness. You wouldn't park in a disabled spot… hopefully… so why would you park in a pram spot?
People respect disability spots because they are a protected space by law, the entitled generation parking spots are not recongized by law in any shape or form.
They're actually covered by a law? Interesting.
I can now add disabled spots to the list of things I wish the police would make an effort to bust a few people for, to set an examples and whatnot.
Disabled parking spots are covered by law in all states and territories.
so many angry parents lol.
Now whoop the minions or control your kids.
Don't do that… You'll probably be charged for child abuse!
Unless this sign/rule is enforced, then it's likely to be ignored.
I also paid little attention to these until I had kids, then realised how crucial they are. No easy feat getting kids out of the car as well as a pram…..the extra space really helps.
No easy feat getting kids out of the car as well as a pram
It's understandable that children can be a pain to control when they enter or exit a vehicle. But what does a pram got to do with wider parking spots? I've never seen anyone loading or unloading a pram from either side of a vehicle. The pram/s are normally stored in the boot of the vehicle, unless the vehicle is van or a Ute. Then it can be sideloaded.
I think parents wheel the kids to the door before unloading them into the car and vice-versa.
In my opinion the only 'reserved' parking should be for use by the disabled. Having children is a lifestyle choice, being disabled isn't. And making sure that the disabled bays are kept clear for those designated people should be enforced by clamping those vehicles not displaying a 'badge', with the proceeds going to charity.
What I find interesting is the number of people that "borrow" those passes to park in those bays that have no disability. They just happened to live in the same family as someone with a disability.
I think if there is an issue with not enough disabled spots being available that might need to be addressed.
Couldn't agree more. People that decide to have kids shouldn't be given any special parking spots. They made the choice, if life's hard, bad luck.
I'll usually check out the parent with parking spots first. If one is free I'm straight in there with no remorse. I'd never park in a disabled parking spot as they need them. Parents with prams can just suck it up .
Before kids I never really cared about the parents with pram spots. for maybe 2 or 3 bays for a whole car parking floor it didn't really seem like something to get upset about. However since having children I see the value in them as it really helps with not having to damage other peoples cars by accident when you are trying to rip three toddlers out of a car at once.
I don't think they need to be right next to the exits, I think that is probably the real reason "no-kid" people get upset about it, they want that empty park right next to the door, why should they be disadvantaged by a few metres to park somewhere else? (lol).
Anyway, I think that shopping centres if they are going to have these parks so put them up the back or somewhere else. I think it would be wise to make sure that there is good pedestrian safety before doing that, but if there is, maybe by doing this there wouldn't be so much entitled rage about car parking spots. (Seems like we have a thread every week about someone getting P'ed off in a car park, just get over it).
My wife sometimes gets a bit antsy about Parents with Prams spots — not that they are there but that, in a few places at least, there seems to be quite of few of them, unoccupied, when the rest of the car park is full.
We were at a barbecue a while back and I was talking to a chap who is a retired copper. He said that he had noticed the same thing, so I asked him what the legal situation was.
He said that, so far as he knew, it was what he referred to as "implied" — in other words, the spots are there for PwPs but there was nothing to actually stop anyone parking there. If you parked there without a pram, it was not like you were going to get towed.
[He also said that a parking infringement in a private car park — like next to a supermarket — is not enforcable by law, but that is a bit OT.]
The last thing I asked was, what if you park there and get a dirty look from a PwP? He said that had happened to him, with some shirty woman saying something quite rude to him. He said he replied, "I was shopping for a pram as a present for my neice!" Good idea…
in Perth WA, Garden city Shopping centre.
You have to display the Sticker to park in the spot.
if not the shopping centre managemenet can fine cars without valid sticker.
Valid stickers can be obtained for free (so they say but Donate $2 for good cause Extortion) excuse.
anyway I've paid $1.90 cents for it as that;s all I had in my pocket.
so yeah…
I've seen older people in their 70ths knowingly or unknowing park their vehicles in the pram spots before.
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/using-roads/mobility-parking…
I think most elderly people are well within their rights to use these spots anyhow, especially if they use a walking frame/cane.
Park in them all you want, with or without kids.
I just hope you don't share an experience like the guy I saw return to his convertible to find a used nappy soiled-side down on his drivers seat and half a bottle of warm milk all over the back seat.
Arrogant little prick, cutting me off and parking there while I had been waiting with a screaming 3mth old for the previous car to leave, he won't to that again in a hurry.
Arrogant indeed… A screaming 3 month old!? Quick, call the Wahmbulance!
I love the fact that in a recent thread, where the topic was someone "stealing" a spot the poster had been waiting for, everyone suggested keying the car, brake fluid on the bonnet, urinating on the car, fecal matter on door handles, and other such lovely "gifts"..
Yet when I mention something similar for a prick who pinched a "parents with prams" spot I'd been waiting for, it's a multi-neg post! :)
It's because you are a breeder. Our crimes are over populating the world and being smug, condescending and entitled.
I wouldn't park in one, just out of courtesy.
In my opinion, it's not about the closeness, it's about the wider space. Kids have no idea about how much damage car doors do, and even as a parent, you try to prevent your kid from opening them too far, but if you can't get a park in PWP, you don't have much space to play with sometimes.
I also wouldn't have a problem if you are one of those people who couldn't care less about "entitled" PWP spots, who think oh dear, too bad, suck it up, and selfishly park in one, and one day Karma bites you when some other non-parent parks in a PWP, and parent with a kid misses out, parks next to you, and BANG. Suck that up.
These spots are to help protect you from kids and parents who don't care about the car next to them, not just help the parents out.
Jesus people (those whom deserve this focus), it's a parking spot for parents with prams, which mostly will be used by the mother. No problems there, glad it could help.
This isn't about a kids behaviour at a Restaurant/McDonalds/Other.
This isn't about Parents and Superiority.
This isn't about Preferential Treatment.
This is about convenience.
This is about saving your car from getting whacked.
This isn't about a kids behaviour at a Restaurant/McDonalds/Other.
Actually it is. Standards of parenting these days are appalling. If parents controlled their kids properly we could resume a civilized society, and we wouldn't have to worry about feral kids crossing car parks.
This is about convenience.
For whom? The lazy hopeless parents who are too stupid and lazy to make their kids behave? Cue bogan parents - get negging people, but try to take a dispassionate look at yourself. Are your kids well behaved in public?
actually it's not….Parents with Prams parking bays doesn't mean shitty behaved kids, hell infants up toddlers that can't do the shopping (time/distance) is hardly a problem. But Bogans online see it as something else. Shitty kids are from shitty parenting (at least where it matters) and your focus should be on that, than some bloody parking space.
Yes I agree the standard of parenting amongst many is deplorable, such is this life, you'd think there would be more anger directed at the general driving populous than on a parking space.
Anyone who has child(ren) that replied to this thread, can agree these spots has made their early parenting lives much easier. I have received much help from strangers when I'm out with the baby and was overwhelmed carrying the baby, groceries AND nappies. Some offered to carry things to my car, some help me pick up her bottle she dropped. Of course none of them had to do it for me, but it was kind, caring, and sympathetic.
Yes, the pram parking spots are only marked as a preference, and it is also a choice we can make as a person to show kindness to others isnt it? I've always thought people without kids that parks in those spots, are doing so without consciously knowing what those spots are designated for. But so many comments here are so cold hearted, whatever happened to people just helping each other out?
I think some people are just venting, some just looking for a rise. Perhaps the weather has been getting some down. Hang on to the kind words so the others just brush off.
Will never understand why they get this privilege. If anything they should be moved right at the back where there is less traffic.
I think most of us can recall news of a toddler/child being hit in a shopping centre car park. I, at least, can. The quicker young chikdren are buckled up in a car the safer they are.
To all the people saying that people having kids have nothing to do with them. These are the children who will eventually grow up and support you through their taxes, be your nurses and doctors, drive your trains and buses, grow your food, build your cars and roads, and run your country.
And don't give me that 'I won't be on the pension or need support because I will have a million dollar Self-managed super fund.'. Your money aren't going to do much if there's no one around to actually do anything.
People who don't have children are worse than selfish because they are essentially relying on those who do to see them through old age.
Lol because if we dont provide parking privileges to parents mankind will reach extinction. Cant handle your kids dont come shopping.
The only thing wrong with your assertion (people who dont have children … are essentially relying on those who do to see them through) is that these people are generally far better off financially.
The ones I know of are self funded retirees who would claim little or no Commonwealth welfare pensions and also have private health cover. They have been paying the highest taxes most of their lives (no rebates) and invested carefully and wisely so they are not a burden on any taxpayers.
Case of damned if you do (have children) or damned if you don't. Where do you think the money to educate and train your children came from to begin with, so the children, can hopefully become financially independent in the future? The aged care and health industries appear to be where most jobs in the future will be generated. What comes around goes around eventually.
Just wondering something as I see comments here about pram parking spot not as enforceable as disabled parking spot:
How enforceable is disabled parking spot in shopping center? Is it within the shopping center management to issue fines or the council?
Why do you wonder? Do you intend to park there?
Just people here saying pram parking are not enforced, so I wonder if disabled parking are?
Just do not park in them. To me your queztion is more like "can I get fined?"
End even if not, follow my recommendation, don't be a dick, just because you can be a dick.
The "you" in not aimed at you, but at everyone.
I don't know why this isn't a valid question… Like the only reason to ask this question is because I am trying to park there.
Do you actually know the answer?
@wildstone: I normally ask a question, because I hope the answer contains information that comes useful to me.
Maybe this leads me to believe that you also ask the question for the same reason.
I do not see what benefit you can carry away, if you know if the disabled parking is enforced. Unless you intend to park there.
Please enlighten me, and tell me what benefit is it to you, to know if the disabled parkings are enforced.
The benefit to know is so I have the knowledge…
What benefit is to you to know the events happening around the globe, when you are reading a newspaper… ?
Again I ask, do you actually know the answer? You have been replying but have not actually provided an answer to my original question.
@wildstone: Knowledge that is no use to me is useless knowledge, and just uses part of my memory for nothing.
Do I need to know if a dog has pissed on a tree? No.
Do I need to know if someone committed suicide, maybe.
Do I need to know if the trains are late this evening, yes.
Do I need to know if the disabled parking are enforced or not. No, I don't park there. Yes, to whom do I report someone who parks without permit.
So to answer your question: No. I have no clue.
I would have formulated the question as "To whom can I report, a car that is in a disabled parking, without permit ?". Does that fit ?
I did once report to Shopping Centre Security, they did say they would take care of. After waiting 15 minutes, and no one checking, I came to the conclusion that they do NOT care. I assume they put signs for disabled parking, to comply with regulation, and that's that.
I did once report to Shopping Centre Security, they did say they would take care of. After waiting 15 minutes, and no one >checking, I came to the conclusion that they do NOT care. I assume they put signs for disabled parking, to comply with >regulation, and that's that.
After so many replies, thanks for finally giving an input that is related to my question. Thanks again.
@wildstone: Just out of curiosity, with this information, are you
1) Going to park there, because nobody cares
2) Not report it, if you see an infringement, because nobody cares
3) going to do nothing.
That was a very good question; a question many of us wonder about. I think you have taken a good question to task for the wrong reason. An answer to the actual question would be nice.
I have seen Council officers write out tickets, and even Police once (although perhaps for another reason .. no; I didnt ask them).
Those parking spots are fair game, especially around Christmas times. I'd never park in a handicapped spot, but the pram ones? Hell yes.
you are a person that fits my recommendation
As a parent myself, I apologise for the majority of moronic self-absorbed parents out there and their crappy condescending attitude.
I remember when I had no kids and the amount of sheer arrogance I copped from parents was astounding. It’s as if they feel producing offspring gives them self-enlightenment when all it does is turn them into careless smug arseholes.
I use the Pram parking when possible because yes it does help us when we are trying to carry our 4 month old out of our car into her pram(The extra space to get the capsule out is great), but do I act like a spoilt brat if someone other than a person with a pram is parked there? No.
The funny thing is you read the comments on here with people who have kids who are old enough to not have a pram spewing their 'woe is me' attitude of how they need it just as much(Pro-tip you don’t that’s why there is no parents with kids parking). They know they're in the wrong they just don't care. But rest assured if they saw someone without kids parking there they would be complaining about how these "Soulless child-free people" shouldn't be parking there.