My House Was Broken into, Could You Please Recommend Home Security System That Could Provide a Clear Footage for The Police?

jiaqi518 on 26/05/2016 - 14:49
Last edited 26/05/2016 - 15:10

Please help.

Someone broken into our house and it is not the first time. I believe I know the person and this person is on drug…

The police said they need a clear footage so that they can take him to the court.

They have stolen something that is only 6 meters away from my bedroom - I am terrified!!

My dad said he is happy to install it for me if I want to go with the wired ones.

I have 20% off code from ebay expire today. I want some thing can send a clear photo to my phone please.

My son have just turned three, and I need something in his bedroom that could go me a quick response.

I want a dog but mum is a cat person :(

I am looking at Swann and Hikvision on ebay

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  • shadowarrior on 26/05/2016 - 15:10
    +17

    http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/hd_security_cameras

    Get the HIKVisions. Pretty good and really nice price. Get the dome ones. http://overseas.hikvision.com/europe/products.aspx?c_kind=1&…
    They are IPCameras, so they can let you monitor feed via mobile.
    Get them from this store: http://stores.ebay.com.au/dstd-store/_i.html?_nkw=&submit=Se…

    • jiaqi518 on 26/05/2016 - 15:14

      Thanks very much for your help.

      Do they sell as a whole set?

      Not sure what do I need to built a system except the camera please? Do I need a PoE Switch or a NVR or they are cloud based? Do I have to have a monitor as I only need to watch on my phone.

      Do I need the Network camera in order to watch my son's bedroom on my phone?

      How good the cameras need to be for the footage for police? Will 1080 do the job or 3MP?

      • shadowarrior on 26/05/2016 - 15:27
        +5

        You will need a POE switch. How many ports depend on how many cameras you are installing + 1 extra port to connect it to your router. Here's one from MSY. 8 Port Gigabit with 8 Port PoE D-Link DGS-1210-10P (Max 97w) $259. You can install 7 IP cameras on that switch. You don't need any monitor. You can view from your computer or phone once configured. I have a NVR which does recording and daily cloud uploads for the feed.

        You need ethernet cables feeding from each ip camera installation point back to where you have your POE switch installed. (I have my POE switch right next my router). Connect each IP camera to POE switch via ethernet. Connect POE switch to router (make sure you have an ethernet port on your router free for this). Download the
        software in your computer from HIKVision to setup and configure each camera and done.

        Some more technical info here: http://overseas.hikvision.com//uploadfile/image/201507081057…

        Go for 4MP and with IR. Make sure they say external (ip66) If you want them installed outside.
        http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hikvision-DS-2CD2432F-IW-3MP-Wire… Are good for internal security cameras, and can connect over Wifi.

        • jiaqi518 on 26/05/2016 - 16:00

          If I only get the POE switch not the NVR, how will it record and upload to the cloud?

          Do you think I need both of the PoE Switch and NVR to do the job please?

        • jiaqi518 on 26/05/2016 - 16:02

          Could you please recommend one for outdoor?

          How do you think about http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hikvision-DS-2CD3145F-I-4MP-IP66-… please?

        • teardrops21 on 26/05/2016 - 16:26
          +1

          @jiaqi518:if you get an nvr get one which has built in PoE. This saves you from having to buy a separate PoE switch.

        • jiaqi518 on 26/05/2016 - 16:39

          @teardrops21:

          Do you think I can get cheaper 3mp/4mp cameras that does not have the wifi since Dad will stall the cable for me anyway?

          Which one will you recommend please?

        • shadowarrior on 26/05/2016 - 16:47
          +1

          @jiaqi518:
          that's around $121 AUD.
          Get this one instead:
          http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hikvision-DS-2CD3345-I-4MP-EXIR-T…
          It's the Chinese version, which was modded for EN version. So you can't update the camera firmware.

          If you want an international model then:
          http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hikvision-DS-2CD3145F-I-4MP-IP66-…

          These are the cheapest good quality ip camera you can get. Try searching any AU store, you will be surprised by the prices :)

        • teardrops21 on 26/05/2016 - 16:53

          @jiaqi518:I'm in the same boat as you. I'm looking for some internal cameras. Looking at hikvision however I cannot decide which one. I'm also looking for an NVR as I will need to record and store video for a length of time. I am here to pick up some suggestions too.

        • jiaqi518 on 26/05/2016 - 16:53

          @shadowarrior:

          It seems that outdoor4mp is cheaper than indoor 3mp:

          http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121524873341

          Could I install outdoor camera indoor then?

        • shadowarrior on 26/05/2016 - 17:29

          @jiaqi518: You sure can. People install these inside their shops/warehouse/garage. But remember, you want the camera to also work as a deterrent. If someone sees a camera outside your house, they might not want to enter in the first place. Better option than just having something to capture once they are already inside.

        • sol3x on 13/06/2016 - 12:22

          @shadowarrior: Hi Shadowarrior,
          Thanks for all the useful tips and experience you shared.

          Just a very simple question on the HIKVISION cameras if you don't mind, the difference between a bullet camera vs dome camera? Thanks.

        • shadowarrior on 13/06/2016 - 13:12
          +1

          @sol3x:
          Domes:
          - better aesthetics
          - covert
          - often vandal proof
          - outsider can't figure out it's FOV
          - easier to conceal wiring.

          Bullets:
          - easier to mount and adjust.
          - most of the time have wider angle lens.
          - often cheaper

        • sol3x on 13/06/2016 - 14:00

          @shadowarrior: great stuff. Thanks shadowarriors :)
          I'm leaning towards the synology solution mentioned by RobMel below. Your thought?

    • lyl-Lychee on 26/05/2016 - 22:03

      I'm curious - how come you're recommending the op a dome camera? I thought for the indoor cameras it is recommended to get the non-dome ones that can be hidden inconspicuously, like on the book shelf or on the mantel. Rather than on the ceiling where it is obvious to the theft?

      • shadowarrior on 26/05/2016 - 23:01
        +6

        OP wants A camera which ticks all the boxes and is within a price bracket. And my first assumption was that OP wanted an external camera (works as a good deterrent than just recording once an intruder is already inside).

        Hidden from plain view goes good when you know people are going to come inside, and one of them is going to be sly and nick something. You want to secretly record the activity. In case of home intruders, I think the prime objective should be deterrent. Put cameras which stand out all around the house. Have good sensor security lights. Deter them as much as you can from entering your property in the first place.

        If someone is hellbent in entering your property, doesn't matter what type of camera you chose, 90% of the time they are going to turn off mains, remove a window frame and come inside. Hidden or visible in plain sight won't do anything there.

        • lyl-Lychee on 26/05/2016 - 23:45

          Very fair points. Though op did mention he wants something in his son's bedroom. Maybe he needs both exterior & interior.

        • [Deactivated] on 27/05/2016 - 22:04
          +2

          Just on a side note. If the whole turning off mains thing became a possibility you could setup your NVR that has POE with a UPS. It might only last 15mins but that's probably all it needs. LOL just realised other people have already suggested this.

        • jiaqi518 on 29/05/2016 - 15:56

          @voolish:
          Could u pls suggest one with UPS?

    • zeomega on 26/05/2016 - 22:12
      +1

      Get the turret ipcams intead of the domes. The IR is good and it lessens the need to clean cobwebs blocking your view.

      Get a NVR at the same time which will double up as a POE switch (not much more) to store all footage.

  • Name on 26/05/2016 - 16:23
    +11

    I'd also recommend getting an UPS system. A lot of burglars these days just turn off the power at your meter box when they see a security camera.

    • supnigs super skids on 26/05/2016 - 16:35

      Dont the smart meter boxes contain a camera in there? They take footage when rhe box is open. Its the 2 little eyss. One is an light sensor the other a ccd

      • pjetson on 26/05/2016 - 16:52

        Dont the smart meter boxes contain a camera in there?

        None that I've ever seen.

      • Name on 26/05/2016 - 16:58
        +4

        It only takes a photo if you're not wearing a tin foil hat.

        • gimli on 26/05/2016 - 20:48

          How does it know if you are wearing a hat?

      • cDNA on 26/05/2016 - 19:38

        My box is completely locked up and requires a special key. The smart meter is monitored remotely by Ausgrid.

        • Name on 26/05/2016 - 20:51
          +1

          Well that's a little silly. How are you meant to turn your power off in an emergency or even when you get into the roof like all the ads tell you to?

        • cDNA on 26/05/2016 - 20:51

          @Trozza:

          We have switches in the house.
          IT's not silly. I had an electrical engineer design the system in our house

        • Name on 26/05/2016 - 20:52

          @cDNA:

          Interesting. Learn something new every day ay.

        • cDNA on 26/05/2016 - 20:56

          @Trozza:

          If you're interested, a company similar to this one did all the work.

          http://www.smarthomes.com.au/index.php

        • Name on 26/05/2016 - 21:13

          @cDNA:
          Did you go full home automation or just had someone who knew what they were doing design the electrical system?

        • cDNA on 26/05/2016 - 21:16

          @Trozza:

          My home isn't fully automated. My lights can be operated using a remote and I can adjust the hot water temperature using a remote. The temperature of the house is also monitored and can communicate with our ducted reverse cycle air conditioner. The rooms don't have door handles and can be opened and closed using a switch or remote.
          I knew someone who works in the electrical engineering space. We got Ausgrid to inspect our house just to be safe.

        • LittleKatie on 27/05/2016 - 21:25

          My box is completely locked up

  • Ace26 on 26/05/2016 - 16:23
    +11

    Great idea to have some sort of home security device for peace of mind and potentially to catch the criminal.
    Security camera captured the thief in action which led to her arrest (long story). She was charged and case went to court.

    Judge gave her 12 months good behaviour bond and a 3 months suspended sentence. Court didn't recover anything from her or ordered her to payback, sadly lost over 15k worth (replacement value) of stuff.

    When I asked police what about my stuff, response was that’s how the legal system works and I should consider insurance.

    If you are worried about theft of valuable items consider getting contents insurance.

    • teardrops21 on 26/05/2016 - 16:30
      +5

      That's the unfortunate truth of these things. Even if police catch the culprit nothing happens to them, and there is no way you will get anything back or compensation. However, cameras can act as a deterrent so potential robbers would pick another target instead.

      • supnigs super skids on 26/05/2016 - 16:34

        Yep cctv systems i believe are good deterents

        • trongy on 29/05/2016 - 12:01

          A guy at work showed me some of footage from his cams. The thieves came when it was dark and the cameras clarity was poor. They were wearing hoodies and/or baseball caps over their heads. Since cameras are generally mounted up high there wasn't much to see of their faces. At one point they went under the camera with the best view and it was then turned to face the wall.

          As cameras are becoming cheaper and more common, they are becoming a fact of life for thieves to deal with and less of a deterrent.

    • jiaqi518 on 26/05/2016 - 16:37
      +13

      I have got content insurance however more about about my three year old's safety

    • Name on 26/05/2016 - 17:02

      Yeah fricken sucks. The only reason I'd report something these days is so that the insurance company is happy. The amount of effort is too much for the lack of justice.

    • GarrusVakarian on 26/05/2016 - 18:58
      +2

      Cheers for sharing your experience. I had no idea the about the bit on recovery of stolen items

    • dodgybrothers on 27/05/2016 - 08:17
      +4

      thats good advice; but one of my friend's house were robbed ,police captured thief (thanks to cctv again !) but couldn't recover everything, luckily he had home and contents insurance - but that luck ran out when they asked for a receipt for each and every item he was claiming are stolen, he showed cctv footage but they decline claim , so make sure you save all your receipt somewhere or atleast take a photo on your mobile - (i find this is the best way to keep receipt for long time, as nowadays all photos are auto uploded to dropbox/google drive)

      • Ace26 on 27/05/2016 - 10:38

        I believe claim process is different with each of the insurance providers.
        I am currently with NRMA and they will honour claim without receipts if you had pictures of the items instead. In either case they wont replace the item but they will provide the residual value of them unless they are a year or two old. E.g. If you had your DVD collection of 100 DVD stolen they may only pay $500 for the whole lot.

      • Charity on 28/05/2016 - 09:46

        who was the insurance company? (I don't mind paying more for insurance if they actually pay in the event of a claim :) )

  • fruit on 26/05/2016 - 16:37
    +2

    Drones everywhere

    • Gnosh on 27/05/2016 - 13:43

      Drone patrol!

      …

  • pjetson on 26/05/2016 - 16:54

    Do you know how the thief got into your house?

    • jiaqi518 on 26/05/2016 - 17:09

      Not sure :(

      • StewBalls on 26/05/2016 - 17:34
        +6

        If I were in your position, I'd be changing all of my door locks immediately (if not already, to deadlocks) & also making sure I had good keyed window locks as well.

        If there's no obvious point of ingress (damaged window/door, jimmied lock etc), that's very concerning…most junkies & dreggers can't pick locks, so they usually brute-force their way in somehow…not knowing how they got in is a critical issue! Have they somehow stolen/obtained a key from a previous owner/tenant? :/

  • shaybisc on 26/05/2016 - 18:20
    +2

    You know the person but you don't know how they get in. What do you think of that, Watson?

    • gimli on 26/05/2016 - 20:50
      +2

      Shut up Sherlock

  • RobMel on 26/05/2016 - 18:48
    +2

    Got a Synology NAS for that.
    Synology NAS, comes with license for 2 IP cameras connected to their surveillance App
    2 * 1080P IP cameras (tons compatible around)
    UPS
    I get an immediate email and can review the clip on my mobile.

    Use the NAS also as back for my machines, personal cloud, media servers (movies, pics, music), download server.
    Haven't tried it as a coffee machine, but it works great for everything else.

    • jiaqi518 on 26/05/2016 - 23:15

      Is the quality good enough for the police?

      • RobMel on 28/05/2016 - 08:16

        Quality is as good as the IP cam you buy for it.
        Works with thousands of models.
        get a decent 1080P camera and a good hard disk that can handle 24/7 and you are set.

        • sol3x on 13/06/2016 - 12:19

          Hi RobMel,

          Interested in your Synology solution.
          How do you power your IP cameras though? How would you make the HIKVISION dome camera mentioned here talking with Synology?
          And what if I intend to connect more than 2 cameras?
          Thanks.

        • sol3x on 13/06/2016 - 18:19

          Also does it need internet connection to keep the cameras operating?

        • RobMel on 18/06/2016 - 13:39

          @sol3x:

          Hi,
          Power is via normal power adaptor into my UPS, same as NAS and Router.
          Cameras connect via you LAN, wired or wireless.
          Must be a supported camera. Do a search on synology regarding supported cameras.
          For more than 2 cameras you buy an additional license pack.
          Just do a search and you will find those.

          Cheers

        • RobMel on 18/06/2016 - 13:40

          @sol3x:

          Only LAN is needed to camera to connect to NAS and record events.
          To get instant email alert you do need internet of course.

          Cheers

    • tassieeagle on 26/05/2016 - 19:58
      +3

      Good luck with that attitude when you stand in front of a judge charged with manslaughter

      • cDNA on 26/05/2016 - 20:00
        -8

        Oh look, a leftist has crawled out of the woodwork.

        Good luck trying to prosecute someone for acting in self-defense.

        • tassieeagle on 26/05/2016 - 20:01
          +9

          Self defense takes into account this thing called reasonable force. Gun vs unarmed intruder is not reasonable

        • cDNA on 26/05/2016 - 20:02
          -5

          @tassieeagle:

          "You can use force to defend yourself, however the force must be equal or less than the force being used by the intruder."

          I'm aware of the law, and personally, I do not care.

          I petition my local MP to relax gun laws in Australia, but not to the extent of being able to own assault rifles, large gauge shotguns, explosives etc..

        • StewBalls on 26/05/2016 - 20:24
          +7

          @tassieeagle:

          Gun vs unarmed intruder is not reasonable

          I dunno, it sounds fair to me! :P

        • Name on 26/05/2016 - 21:03

          @cDNA:
          How do you want to relax them? You can already own a handgun at home with proper licencing and a gun safe.

        • firstworldproblems on 26/05/2016 - 22:10
          +1

          @cDNA:

          you may not care, but perhaps if you had children, it would be to their detriment if you went to jail?

        • EnALup on 27/05/2016 - 20:56

          @tassieeagle: ? but guy with gun is not intruding. Why is intruder in other's property at first place. Can have a knife to hjarm as well.

        • No ONE on 28/05/2016 - 14:58

          @cDNA: this is NOT america mate. You're in Australia, f**k the gun law. The root of crimes and violence are guns.

      • cDNA on 26/05/2016 - 20:05
        +2

        At least the thief won't be alive to sue me.

        • StewBalls on 26/05/2016 - 20:23
          +11

          Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six, as the old saying goes…

        • cDNA on 26/05/2016 - 20:28

          @StewBalls:

          Exactly!

          We need more conservative judges too.

        • StewBalls on 26/05/2016 - 20:30
          +5

          @cDNA: I haven't been keeping up with the recent Newcastle home invader death, but frankly I hope the homeowner gets off…if a convicted sex offender broke into my home with my kids present, I'd have done exactly the same thing.

        • [Deactivated] on 27/05/2016 - 21:27
          +3

          @StewBalls:

          Reports i read was he chased him down the street.
          Once the guy ran off, you're no longer in imminent danger.
          Kind of changes the equation a little…

          Anyway, he's on a murder charge, but on bail, last i heard - let's see what happens.

        • [Deactivated] on 27/05/2016 - 21:28

          At least the thief won't be alive to sue me.

          But any dependents might, you fit dummy.

    • shadowarrior on 26/05/2016 - 23:05
      +7

      And if all fails, a big breaker bar under your bed and a good bright torch. If someone enters my house unauthorized and is a threat to my family, I'll worry about the law later, crack that person's skull first.

    • jiaqi518 on 26/05/2016 - 23:19
      +1

      Our little boy is just three. Not well after a recent car accident. Nightmare and stuff. Do not want to make his nightmare even worse with weapons.

    • MrBillions on 27/05/2016 - 07:38
      +1

      Is that you Donald?

      • cDNA on 27/05/2016 - 08:32
        +1

        'straya

        Make 'straya great again

    • [Deactivated] on 27/05/2016 - 18:28
      +1

      Obvious scenarios missed by cDNA:

      1. Trips over big fat gut, drops gun, gun picked up by intruder, intruder pops cap in cDNAs bottom.

      2. Trips over big fat gut, fires gun accidently into partners head, goes to family bbq trying to explain what happened. Feels a little, you know, guilty.

      • cDNA on 27/05/2016 - 18:34
        -2

        I'm a conservative. Not a redneck cracker.

        Calling me fat just tells me you're just grasping at stereotypes. Fit people can own guns too.

        • [Deactivated] on 27/05/2016 - 21:22
          +1

          Stereotypes have always worked for me.
          Now get back in that box i made for you.

    • No ONE on 28/05/2016 - 14:55

      Yeah & in the process get shot or family members

  • firstworldproblems on 26/05/2016 - 22:05

    i'm not sure what your set up is regarding security, have you considered improving on that before investing on surveillance. this may sound a little cynical, but it may require nothing more than making it harder to break into your home relative to neighbouring homes. i.e. all things equal, if your home is fortified, a criminal is likely to go elsewhere.

    here are some possible alternative ghetto solutions:
    - get an old mobile phone which when camera detects changes, will trigger a call.
    - alternatively, perhaps rig up webcam => e-mail => sms.

  • Maz1 on 26/05/2016 - 23:28
    +1

    If you know who it is and they are a druggie, why not put an anonymous tip into the police about that?

  • andyken on 27/05/2016 - 00:08

    this is pretty good, no need power point, just plug it in (sPoE) and it comes with built in PoE NVR. very easy to setup

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CCTV-ZMODO-4-Channel-Complete-sPo…

  • shaybisc on 27/05/2016 - 06:56

    If I was you I'd spend any money I had for security on keeping them out. Having a movie quality video of them stalking about my house would give me very little comfort.

  • Wallyt99 on 27/05/2016 - 07:36
    -4

    Unfortunately the incident was in the past. There are no systems available that can provide footage.

  • ramshead on 27/05/2016 - 10:15

    Most power companies offer a padlock for your meter box. I bought one last year. The company's meter readers have a master key and you are supplied with at least one key. I ordered 2 keys. Cost about $75, but no ongoing fees.
    You just have to remember to unlock it if you have an electrician doing work on your place as they obviously won't have access to the meter box otherwise.

  • fr33loader on 27/05/2016 - 11:21

    We used http://www.ctccommunications.com.au/ to install alarm system for my house.

    They installed a Bosch pet-friendly alarm system, and it SMS you if there's any system event (alarm, change date, etc). It's a one-off payment with no ongoing costs.

    We've set it up such that we can partially arm the alarm (i.e. bedrooms unarmed, everything else armed).

    They can also provide you with a good surveillance product that you can use. Give them a ring, they are really nice and friendly.

  • Randxyz123 on 27/05/2016 - 12:13

    First off how do people keep getting in? Maybe that is something you need to address as well? I.e Swann has things like window alarms that you can arm at night, they have driveway sensors that you could put on your drive or near your front door that would make a noise when someone walks past which could deter thieves.

    Installing a couple of something like this and arming them every night could be a good start

  • lostn on 27/05/2016 - 13:28

    If they wear a balaclava, no camera is going to identify them.

  • Gershom on 27/05/2016 - 15:01

    Please Recommend Home Security System

    Smith and Wesson.

    • mmd on 27/05/2016 - 15:29

      I prefer a Winchester

      • Gershom on 27/05/2016 - 15:37

        Well now, seeing as how the .44 Magnum is the most powerful handgun ever made, you have to ask yourself one question - am I feeling lucky?

        (Actually I always prefered the .357 Magnum. Very accurate, instant man stopper, and more manageable recoil.)

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