Moving Overseas: to Sell or Not to Sell Properties

Hi there,

We're moving to a paradise island for… a while (could be a year or could be forever). The Mrs will be working but I don’t have a job lined up and it might be hard for me to find one. We will be staying at her Grandma’s place for the first year, in exchange for fixing up the place, or until we find another accommodation.

We own 2 properties and both are located in the Bayside area of Melbourne.

Property 1: “Happy House”

It is a 2 bedroom + study house. We call it the "Happy House". We bought it soon after we got married, almost 12 years ago. We furnished it with donated and second-hand furniture and slept on a mattress on the floor for a very long time. We had so little and yet were so happy and in love. Every single room in that house is filled with scintillating memories of joy and laughter; even the driveway, where my son was too eager to be born to wait until we reached the hospital.

By the time we moved out, there was 7 of us ( 2 adults, 2 kids , an Ewok, a Darthie and a Goldfish) and we were planning on having more kids.

Currently, my best friend lives there and is looking after our cat, Darthie M, who has chosen to stay in Melbourne. Darthie is too old and cranky to ever thrive in Paradise Island (PI). My best friend has a bad credit rating ( he had several addictions, including gambling) and a shocking rental history( he has a pattern of dating psycho women , then cheating on them and getting his placed thrashed by said psycho women when they find out he's been cheating on them.)

We have received an unsolicited offer on the property and so has the neighbour. We believe that the investor is planning to demolish both properties and build apartments or a couple of townhouses on the 2 lots.If we do sell, as advised by our financial adviser, we are concerned that my best friend might not be able to find a decent place to move to.

Property 2: “ Thornfield Hall”

I can't remember why we bought it. At the time, we were told that it was too good an investment to pass on ( which it has been, considering how much it is worth now) but none of us really liked it that much. Maybe we thought we would grow into it or maybe we were just tired of house-hunting. We never grew into it: it is the perfect house for the perfect family. But we are not the perfect family: we are too loud and messy and enthusiastic and exuberant and accident-prone and incontinent…at least the cat is, to have ever been happy there. There were also no more babies, as we had planned and hoped for. The house is just too big, with too many empty rooms.

Not too long after we moved in, a very deplorable 'incident' occurred: someone slit their wrists in our master bedroom's bathtub. Our son found him while the rest of us were watching tv downstairs.He survived but we couldn't move back into that house. We lived in a motel until a 'colleague' offered to house-swap.

The ‘colleague’ has made us what we believe to be a fair offer. If we sell Thorfield Hall, as we call it, we could pay off our mortgage and still have more than enough money to buy a property ( or 2) in PI and not have to worry about money or finding a job for a very , very long time.

Our financial adviser says it is too good of an investment to ever sell.

What would you do if you were in our shoes?


TL;DR : Our financial adviser has advised that we should sell property 1, to which we are very emotionally attached and always refer to as the “Happy Place”. My best friend currently lives there and it would be very hard for him to find another suitable rental because of his credit, rental and past conquests history.

On the other hand, we’ve been advised to rent out property #2 and this will be our back-up plan if we ever decide to move back to Oz. We are still paying the mortgage on property #2 and have received a very fair offer for it. It is also highly unlikely that the children would ever want to live in that place again following a traumatic event that happened there.
What would you do if you were in our shoes?


Poll Options

  • 22
    Take his advice and sell the 'Happy House' and keep 'Thornfield'. He knows what he's talking about.
  • 141
    Do not take his advice. Keep 'Happy House' and sell the other one, since you don't like it anyway.
  • 11
    Sell both: you need the money.
  • 67
    Don't sell either and get a job ASAP.
  • 8
    Other

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  • +42

    Even the TL:DR was TL:DR

    • Tldr - csb

    • Couldn't agree anymore, was so hard reading through this.

      • Hard to read or not engaging enough to read?

    • +1

      Even the TL:DR was TL:DR

      Cliffs of cliffs:

      Property, drama, first world problems.

      • Hey Turnip! Thanks for stopping by.

        • -2

          Scrooge McDuck isn't Turnip.

          Lets not forget you drove her away.

        • -1

          @GameChanger:Neither wiki nor I have ever been called a bully nor have we been in the penalty box. You on the other hand…

        • @Jar Jar Binks: Turnip confirmed that you both bullied her and forced her to disable her account.

          Have we forgotten this? Thanks for bringing her up, as this was a perfect case of bullying on Ozb.

          Also you never received a penalty because that sweet Turnip was never the type to report to the Mods.

        • @GameChanger: I've never bullied anyone. Back up your claims or I'm reporting you for harassment and bullying.

        • @Jar Jar Binks: Unlike you I don't have a unlimited amount of time. When I do have the time I will find the post which was public that called you out. You like to play the "can't remember" card a lot when its the truth, yet have perfect recall of everything else.

          I have never ever bullied someone to the stage they disabled their account.

        • @GameChanger:

          I have never ever bullied someone to the stage they disabled their account I like to add.

          Yes you did: Wicket1120.

          P.s like I said back your claims or take them back or I'm reporting you. So which is it going to be?

        • @Jar Jar Binks: Provide the evidence, you won't find a single post that shows I bullied someone.

          I'm not responsible for how people neg vote on here and if a user can't handle it they shouldn't blame others without a shred of proof.

          P.s Backup your claims or I will report you as well. You started this harassment of me when you made false comments that I bullied the Mods.

        • @GameChanger: I'm feeling bullied.others have also noticed your vitriol against me.

        • @Jar Jar Binks: I told you already before, don't ever make false accusations at me and take comments out context.

          I will not stand for it and this is the end of the discussion as you refuse to have a proper talk.

  • +22

    I'd evict everyone get both places repainted and cleaned and then get a PM to rent both of them out. I'd get a depreciation schedule for both and let the pm manage them, don't get involved.
    However I have two concerns you seem like a nice person and this sometimes complicates being a landlord as you are emotionally involved with both places.
    My other concern would be if you take all the cash to Pi and after several years if it all doesn't work you could return to Oz broke and unable to rejoin the property Ladder.

    • +1

      completely agree. OP must be prepared to make the emotional transaction. Maybe he can afford it.

  • I'm moving too!

    • Where you're moving to?

      • Europe.

        • +1

          Following your dreams?

        • +1

          @GameChanger:

          Sort of. I decided not to pursue fashion but a different investment world which is huge in Europe.
          Thanks for remembering though :)

        • @Beethoven: Good on you.

          Do keep us updated on your progress.

        • @GameChanger:

          Lol some loser down voted you for that comment.

          Thank you :)

        • @Beethoven: Yeah they did the same to you! Must be one of those users that don't like change haha

        • +1

          @GameChanger:

          :)))))

  • +3

    I may agree to some extent with you advisor.

    It depends on your Marginal Tax Rates (MTR) and household income (Note: Ability to offset losses, ability to maximize income following a potential negative gearing strategy, due consideration to legislative changes for MTR and gearing, potential Non-resident tax rates with Nil thresholds then applicable)
    Overseas country - which country? (Note: tax treaty, immigration policy reversals, etc.)
    Ability to have healthy cash flow and surplus income following implementation of all these changes.(Note: tax bills may stretch, injection of monies may be required, consider increasing loan levels and/or interest payable for deductions before departure)
    Debt/property considerations (LVR, management of property, deductiblility of costs, breaking even with just enough income to pay least tax in compliant way, given NR MTR)
    To remain on retirement track, considering lifelong goals and retirement income over period of time. (Note: compounding effect of decisions and money over longer period of time)
    Trust to manage affairs (taxation, special persons, DASP rollover)
    Consideration for 'specials persons' not capable of managing affairs. How much do you want to help, e.g. with rent, living costs, or dollar figure with what period of time.
    Potential return to Australia by you/kids.
    Estate Planning (considering move to overseas) as a final step before departing.

    High level, I may suggest financial planner may be right.
    Request lifelong 'Modelling of Scenarios' for:
    1. Your current position
    2. Proposed position following all recommendations
    3. Proposed position highlighting impact on cash flow, tax position and total assets in Australia.
    Request comprehensive written information outlining scope of advice considered, benefits, risks, costs and alternative consideration. with dollar figures and percentage attached to each.

    On another note, emotions often curtail or cloud our ability to make good decisions; However, family comes first and you have to think through.
    Also, not all aligned (such as bank Big 4, industry super) planner may be allowed to include in their scope the above requests (given licensing and advice authority issues). You may have to approach a non-aligned advisory firm (such as a good accounting firm's financial planning service, or a company like Shadforth) for a second opinion, potentially paying a one-off fee for a well thought over, good decision.

    TLDR: Print the above and send to your Financial Planner. You age, income and alot more info is required for a suggestion, but hopefully this helps.

  • +16

    It sounds like you got some advice you don't like, and now you're hoping someone can find a reason it's bad? It sounds like you got good financial advice, but as you've clearly said, Money Isn't Everything (But It Helps). If you're going to be okay living off your wife's income then I would say do what you think will make you happiest, not wealthiest.

  • +12

    I suspect your FA is more objective than you are. For instance:

    Do you think you can really recapture happy memories in H1 on return? Time passes you may not like it any more years down the line.

    If you stand to make a killing selling to the developer, why not?

    Your best friend sounds like a bad risk for a tenant.

    You don't have to live in H2 on return, you could sell it and get H3.

    Don't risk uncertain payoff for manifestly realisable gains.

  • -1

    Is any of this really wise? If I remember correctly, you cannot get a job there remotely similar to your current one.

    • +4

      Is any of this really wise?

      Probably not :( The Mrs and the kids are moving there no matter what.

      I can choose to play it safe and either stay in Oz or move to a neighbouring country (5 hrs flight from PI), where I've been offered a job by the same organisation that I'm currently working for. Either way, I won't get to see my family much.

      Edit: Monochrome contentment or technicolor roller-coaster? No contest: to hell with playing it safe! :)

  • +2

    I'm pronouncing "Thornfield House" in my head with a lisp, JJB, as fun contrast to the bathtub story. Forced smile :|

    As thhhaid in comments above - you have likely received sound advice of the dispassionate variety. Up to you and Wiki as to whether you follow it, or not.

    In relation to property prices in both Sydney and Melbourne, and some other places on (bigger) Paradise Island, here, financial advisors do remain very keen to believe - despite some recent easing, that we are not amidst an almighty pricing bubble that will at some point burst. I'm not so sure.

    So, at least a possibility that 'Thornfield House' may not, ultimately, be worth quite as much as is currently being sold to you as a given prospect, even allowing for returns in the meantime. Your financial advisor doesn't know, my financial advisor wouldn't know, and neither do I.

    As for the "Happy House" - only you and Wiki along with kidlet memories, will really know just how attached to it you are. Feelings of friendly obligation just a bit aside, as you consider whether you will ever live there/here, ever again.

    Everyone has sold things that they regret selling, and vice versa.

    No BPM - Bikies Property Management option in your poll, so am boycotting it, Jar Jar Binks.

    • +7

      Re. Bathtub story

      He was an acquaintance of sorts of Wiki's, who broke into our place.

      It was more a cry for help, than a real attempt at killing himself.AFAIK, he's getting the help he needs.

      Edit:I probably should add that support is available for anyone who needs it by calling :

      Lifeline 13 11 14

      beyondblue 1300 224 636

      Kids Helpline 1800 55 1800

      MensLine Australia 1300 789 978

      • +1

        I linked a video for an OzBargain Pumpkin, earlier today - probably required a 'trigger warning' of some description. Lol + another forced smile :|

        You're a good kid, Jar Jar Binks. Don't stress too much.

        A lot to look forward to.
        :-)

        • Thanks, Da! :-)

  • +8

    Could be a year.

    Lease both properties out through an agent..

    Could be forever.

    Sell them. You're not coming back. Invest in living in your new location - maybe you can buy a business, plantations, etc.

    In any event, if you move in with your family (and seriously a job vs family? what do you love more?), then explore other employment opportunities. Think outside the box. Forget about what you currently do and move on because it will only cause drama and resentment later on.

  • +3

    Last year, you said of your employer :- "I barely turned up for work 10 times in a period of 4 months and yet I never had to worry that there was enough money in the bank account to pay for the mortgage, bills,groceries..etc The company took care of that. HR and my secretary took turns calling to make sure that I was ok ,that I was coping, that I didn't need anything. My boss and his wife even came once week with some groceries and to take my kids for the afternoon, just so I could have a bit of a breathing space. They are amazing. Its like a big, warm, caring family." I am fairly sure that not very long ago you told them something like "I can't believe I get paid for doing this job".

    Some people just cannot see how lovely their life is. Would I be right in saying you are uprooting your family because your wife wants to teach abroad?

    • +1

      She wants to return to her homeland…. According to prior posts

      • +2

        Yes. She is resolutely determined not to see how good her family life is here. It is all about her, and this has been building up for months now. As soon as I read the topic title I correctly guessed the author.

        • +2

          As did I, PJC - and, "Yes", she does plan to teach.
          Witchcraft, to more girls than just her daughter. :(

          Belatedly discovered vocation in life, or always the plan?
          We (and JJB) may never know…

        • +2

          @Tas: Well you know what they say: if you can't stir with the big girls, stay away from the cauldron :P

          -Wiki

        • +1

          Hi Wiki. My God, I pasted that into Google - actually a saying… www.google.com.au/search?q=if+you+can't+stir+with+the+big+gi…

          One that had eluded me..

          I'm still worried about the girly J-Twin /Mini-Wiki Witch. Those poor boys on Mauritius…

        • @Tas: Did you also have to google 'Thornfield Hall' to get the reference? The twins will be sorely disappointed if you did.

          -W

          Edit: hi Tas! :)

        • +1

          I didn't, but I did consider linking a certain (I thought, maybe) other-relevant song for this thread and ended up thoroughly distracted by Youtube's glorious suggested videos, instead.
          (You don't want to know.)

          Good night /Bonne nuit, Wiki-Witch.
          :)

        • +1

          @Tas: 'night.
          W

        • +2

          @Jar Jar Binks: You appear to have been otherwise distracted, but tonight's 4 Corners is worth a full look and there to watch if you missed it and I think that you may have. Some very pertinent Melbourne-market specifics, some ways into the program, for you to think about and make up your own mind about.

          Reminded of something by your thread, today - considerable fun as compensation for Mondays as they can sometimes be.
          :)

          A little bit late, tonight - tolerated Q&A for considerably longer than usual and Wiki will need some time to practise her singing, tomorrow, in any case…

          Not too much turmoil in your thoughts, I hope. I think that you may be a bit given to that…
          It does appear from below, that you have the first chapter for your book to write. This thread may have generated some pre-order interest for you..

          Tomorrow, Ordinary Man and She of Paradise Isle Dreams

        • @Jar Jar Binks:
          'Johnny Depp Trigger Warning'.
          Related to Johnny Depp. Not for him, at this point..
          :)

          This may be just my opinion, but do you want to know the two best things to have come out of your thread, Jar Jar?

          Not the variations on two songs I was listening to the other night that neither Wiki, nor you, would have enjoyed.

          Nope. Me remembering this track (I bought the original cd single at the time. It's somewhere!) and then also finding this particular clip of it!

          Sweet Jesus!!
          Take a bow, YouTube. No, seriously.
          (Not by much, but best audio + lyrics -)

          Oh, and possible future career, JJB, if things go completely awry on PI :)

          +OzBargain - If you don't enjoy that song, then 1) In a world of recent terror for the French, there is no justice. 2) Also no testosterone on OzBargain, despite site demographics, and 3) No South /Australians who love things, um, French, despite the submarine contract..

          P.S. Wiki. In true OzBargain advice-advises, fashion, your husband, I am quite sure, would indeed like you to sing along with your version, later tonight. As you practise for the next hour or so, he has a serenade cape that you can wear. He still knows where it is.

          Bonus karaoke versions:
          Regular:
          Extra Cheese:- Serving Suggestion: Maybe one for the kids and JJB, tomorrow evening, while you dance with Ewok. You're welcome…

          :)

        • @Tas: Did Wiki ever mention that she was named after her?

          P.s. You do know that she's only 14 in that clip, right? I prefer her in Be my baby.

        • @Jar Jar Binks: Um, no, and I think you mean the island…

        • @Tas: of course, the island…

        • @Jar Jar Binks:

          P.s. You do know that she's only 14 in that clip, right? I prefer her in Be
          my baby.

          Oi! and 15, I thought and I was only a bit older than that when the song was released, I'll have you know. Which is an entirely valid excuse to have enjoyed that Roxy clip!

          'Be my Baby' is ok.

        • @Tas: Be my baby was written by Lenny Kravitz and she's over 18 in that clip. So Be my baby wins:)

        • @Jar Jar Binks: Neither musically, or otherwise :)

          I'm referring to the cute yellow deux chevaux that Wiki will enjoy, of course..

          Kindly don't imagine otherwise (ʘᗩʘ')

        • @Tas:

          Kindly don't imagine otherwise

          Hard not to when that request is followed by a somewhat sad-looking phallic emote o.O

          'night, Tas.

          -Wiki D'enfer

    • +2

      My wife came here to study and always planned to go home after she graduated. Then she met me and ended up staying for another 12yrs. What's a year, when she's given me 12? If I don't like it, we're all moving back to OZ in a year's time.

      As for the kids, they are close to their maternal grandparents and are excited to meet the rest of their extended family.

      • +2

        I'm glad to read you are with your wife :):):)

        • -1

          :-)

  • +3

    You might want to check the ATO website if you an Australian resident tax-wise while OS, most likely you are. This means you are still entitled to the CGT exemption on your primary residence which means you might want to hold onto one property for that reason. You only have to come back to live in it within 6 years IIRC. Your FA would have told you this.

    • Thank you. Yes he did.

    • +1

      Could be up for land tax though as absentee owner. http://www.sro.vic.gov.au/node/1873

      • +1

        Don't think he qualifies he has strong ties with Australia. Land also has a different meaning here not land on which house is built more like farm, mine, undeveloped land, etc. FA would know this.

      • We don't qualify.

      • +1

        Point to note: Is the individual an Australian citizen or permanent resident?
        If yes, the individual is not an absentee person.

  • +2

    Another option is you may be able to negotiate with the developer to get a better deal by "swapping" the "happy house" with two or more of the "future units", instead of selling it.

    • I would have to kick out my best friend and my cat… Not really an option.

  • +2

    Sounds like both houses are no good for you.
    I would sell both and invest most of the money safely in Australia (term deposit or similar), only take what you need to PI. In a year or 2 you will have a better idea what to do with the money.

    • See above.

  • +2

    Keep both houses, move OS and write a book about your life instead of finding a job. Sounds like it would be a best seller.

    • The life of a very ordinary man - a memoir by JJB

      I doubt anyone would be interested :)

      • I would be interested.

  • +2

    Just wanted to say good on you for having such a great attitude to your best friend.

    My best friend's situation is quite different from mine, but in a different way to yours - for example, he still lives at home with his parents. He was a high school friend and we did a lot of growing up together at different stages of my life. New friends just haven't shared those experiences.

  • +5

    There is plenty to consider above in relation to property values … like

    1. The developer wanting to properties should be willing to pay more than the single property is worth. Collude ( it IS legal) with the neighbour and push up the price. Don’t forget that in property development 1+1=3 .. in land value

    2. Never ever rent a place without a lease - especially to your best friend. If you want to give charity to a friend, or a cat then pay their lease on property you don’t own.

    But I want to add value to the discussion here As an Economist.(commence lecture ….)

    Living ( and earning and spending ) in country P and having investments in country A is a double gamble.

    First you are “gambling” like any investor. Some investments are low risk – like leaving $ in the bank. Stock are higher risk and real estate somewhere in the middle.

    But having that investment in a different currency, means you are also subject to foreign exchange risk. You are essentially gambling on exchange rates - and Unless you are a forex guru, trading daily .. forget it!

    Perhaps its easier to understand with an example.

    Say you decided to move permanently to the USA four years ago when $A = $1 USA. So your $500 AU house is worth $500 USD when you move.

    Four years later prices have gone up so yippee the house is worth $550 AUD.

    BUT you now live and spend in USD and the AUD has gone down from $1 to $0.70. So you house was worth $US500 when you left but from your perspective its worth $US385. From YOUR perspective, you earn, buy, eat, rent and sell in USD.. so your house is only worth $385 - you lost 23% on safe investment because you invested in both real estate and gambled on foreign exchange.

    I apologise if this seems dumbed down or too long - I mean no insult. But its a simple issue that most people - including investment advisor's forget.

    IF – you are definitely coming back to Australia, for sure, then I suggest tidy up your investments, put them with an agent, and have something to come back to…

    Bon Voyage

    • Thank you.

    • +1

      I mean no offense, but "First you are “gambling” like any investor. Some investments are low risk – like leaving $ in the bank. Stock are higher risk and real estate somewhere in the middle."

      Stocks are not necessarily 'higher risk' as a blanket statement - to me this reads like somebody who is more used to gambling and punting in stocks and doesn't really understand the risk/reward tradeoff.

      Commonly I find the 'mums and dad's who are neck high in leverage for the property game are totally against stocks. WHatever floats your boat, but both are inherently high risk if you don't know what you're doing and blindly following the latest hype.

      Both can be great return on investments if you do your research, educate yourself and make the right investments. Anyone who references 'gambling' or 'punting' on their stocks or property are doing just that, and aren't 'investing'.

      • No offence taken. Cheers.

        • +1

          sorry my comment was in response to garyfbne not yours. It just seemed like a generalistic comment about investing in shares as being high risk and property medium. Honestly both property and shares sit on both high, medium and low risks scales - it just depends what you invest in. It is commonly spruiked that property is medium to low risk because it tugs at heart strings for those who get to 'own, see and touch' bricks and mortar.

          Don't fall for the spruiking, invest in what you're most passionate and understand about.

  • +1

    Best time to sell the haunted house is now. If u don't the market will cool and I'll be stuck with the ghost house.

    I enjoyed ur story. ;-)

    • +3

      It's not haunted. AFAIK, the man is still alive.

  • +1

    Our financial adviser says it is too good of an investment to ever sell.

    That's not an investment then.. unless you sell..lol

    I would rent both properties and let a PM manage it.. Unless I need the money real bad.. If you think you can survive for say 3-4 years without selling.. Just rent it.. especially if that's covering your mortgage payment after considering any benefits from negative gearing.

    However, you must also consider the extra tax you will pay if you sell your current "home" after you convert it into investment property (when you start renting it out).

    Cheers!

    • Our FA is a dear friend and has been over to our place a few times. He once described property #2 as his dream home and said that he would buy it off us if he ever won the lotto.

      If I did sell property #2, what would I do with the money? I wld have to invest it somewhere else, wouldn't I?

  • I tried; I really did…

  • +1

    I have no idea why people come to these forums and ask about financial advice, selling property, etc. These are all serious decisions with serious consequences.

    As stated below, you have already spoken to (and paid) a financial adviser, wtf is the point asking a bunch of plebs?
    Are you seeking an answer you didnt get from your FA? Are you that confused that you need the world to convince you?

    Our financial adviser says it is too good of an investment to ever sell.

    Our financial adviser has advised that we should sell property 1, to which we are very emotionally attached and always refer to as the “Happy Place”.

    • +3

      "No one, however smart, however well-educated, however experienced … is the suppository of all wisdom." - Tony Abbot

      Doesn't cost anything to ask, here at Ozbargain.

      Often it is better to ask questions before seeing a professional. Often there are the "unknown unknowns", things you didn't even know to ask about.

      Jar Jar has outlined more of the strong emotional ties and is seeking thoughts on those.

  • +6

    From what I'm reading, you're far too emotionally invested/attached to both of the properties.

    If they are going to be investment properties in the future, it is insignificant if the "Thornfield Hall" is perfect in every single way, whether Barack Obama could live there with his perfect family or whether it has a bathroom with purple tiles in it.

    Similarly, it is not super relevant that the cat, the wonderful Darthy M, has deposited in excess of 1 tonne of feces in the garden, or that never to be forgotten romantic encounter with your partner in the laundry of the "Happy House"

    The only thing that matters for the investment properties is the numbers. Do the numbers stack up?

    Melbourne is expected to appreciate at least 5-6% in 2016. Sounds like you've already made a killing off them if you've owned them both longer than 7 years and assuming the 2 bedder house is worth 500k+ and the bigger house is 800k+ (being very generous here for Melbourne property). You would be potentially missing out on another 78k+ of appreciation this year alone (6% of 1.3 mil). Not to mention 100k+ per annum in the next boom in the Melbourne market (might be 5-10 years away).

    If you really need to sell for monetary reasons, go ahead - but I strongly recommend that you try and take the emotion out of the decision and base it purely on the numbers and what it is that you actually need.
    Renting in PI and holding your properties would more often than not be the smarter way to go about it. If money is a huge issue and you need cash to get by for the next year or two until you have stable income, then consider refinancing one or both of your loans and pulling out 50k or 100k into an offset account to see you through the next 12 months. Chances are you have considerable equity built up into both of your properties.

    • The offer for property #2 is almost double the price you've quoted which is why we're tempted to sell, considering we don't even like the place and never plan to live there.

  • +1

    Money or sentiment.

    TLDR, if you put emotions aside you could save/earn yourself a fair bit of money.

    Your best friend is weighing you down.

    Not sure how much the relationship is worth to you.

    Kick your friend out and rent both places. Your kids should get over themselves and the house has nothing to do with wrists being slit in bathtubs.

    Both places seem like fairly "safe" investments since they are already in-hand and committed (no more emotional decisional waffling cost). Only sell either place if you think you can get a BETTER investment with the money or you really NEED the liquidity.
    The market may have softened a little but global population will keep growing for the next generation so property will be better than inflation in the long run.

    The kids should be happy to inherit something in this day and age.

    That is what I would do in your shoes.

  • +1

    Are you getting rent from Happy House?

    I wouldn't sell either yet until you're 100% sure you'll never return.

    And even if you're 100% sure you'll never return to live, it doesn't mean that you have to sell it now or in future.

    • He pays whenever he can.

      • Is it both your and your wife's friend? Or just your friend? If only your friend, I could see some potential issues that she may see it as a little unfair/inequitable that you are basically paying the upkeep for your friend, that you don't have a house for her friend, wasting the family money, etc.

        I understand it's a tricky situation though, and it's not all about the money, but every week he doesn't pay full rent you're throwing that money away.

        • +1

          He's my best friend. The Mrs is quite fond of him too. She wldn't kick him out either.

        • +3

          @Jar Jar Binks: Its ethical and a good thought to assist another in need. But are you feeding his habits or constricting his will to be independent?
          Get him a life counselor. They cost, but helpful over the long term. Get him to work. Australia is a land of opportunities when you open your eyes.

  • +3

    keep at least one, if there's even a slight chance of coming back here you'll want the foot in the market already.

  • +2

    Does anyone believe the 2nd house story?

    How implausible that someone slit their wrists, when they 'moved' in.

    • -4

      No, that part I can believe. Theres plenty of people running around out there who are emotionally detached, frozen inside. Wiki sounds just like the well meaning type who might circumvent their defenses with her earnestness, crack them open like an oyster shell and shine a thawing light upon their souls with charming tales of her rambunctious, imperfectly perfect life, softening them up and making them dare to dream again.
      But, life stands still for noone, and not even angels like wiki can be there to hold your hand forever. And when they're gone, your left with a flurry of emotions whirling round your head. What to do? Can't go back to how it was before, and working through their issues seems a herculean task.

      In that scenario, its entirely possible someone might seek to shift the blame onto wiki, and leave an impression on her by doing something drastic, ie a bloodbath. Not necessarily in a retributive sense, but in a I'm-going-to-show-how-much-you-mean-to-me-by-hurting-myself type way. Hardly a suitable house warming present. Next time get something of the registry. Shame about the boy though. Thats a horrible seed to have planted in your mind at such a young age.

      The part I have trouble believing is the 'happy house'. But I guess anythings possible.

      • +2

        lol did JJB pay you to write that?

        That quite possibly is the worst thing I have read on this site; no one has met him to validate any of his stories.

        • Truth is important to you, isn't it gc?

        • +1

          @outlander: Yes it is.

          I very much still doubt the existence of a user, based on multiple evidence.

        • -2

          @GameChanger:
          Why? If it is all a lie, what does knowing the truth change?
          Do you really think JJB does this just to make a fool out of you?

        • +2

          @outlander: Well knowing the truth this thread wouldn't exist and waste people's time.

          No he does it because he wants the attention, the internet serves as the perfect medium to fill a gap in ones life.

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