Hi All,
My car had an accident and insurance declare as written off. So I need a car within $7.5K which has fuel economy and can accommodate 2 adult and 2 children.
I was looking at Toyota Corolla.
Just needed people’s opinion on whether I should buy 2010 Corolla with 191,000 KM for $7K? Or anyone suggest me a better car.
Thanks for your opinion.
Honda Jazz can be picked up for that price with much less Km's
cvt second hand? Are you nuts?
I believe the 2007+ models are fine and you get an easy 150k km out of them
You do know how a CVT works right? It will fail by design.
150k km? that should be half the life of a car and when buying a second hand car I'd be wanting it to be running properly well past 200k km.
@thorton82: That's absolute rubbish, my car has CVT and is 11 years old and I haven't even been good with the servicing. It works great.
@MrMcHairyHead: Oh my mistake, because you have a CVT that has managed to last, they must all be good.
My car is 11 years old with CVT and it runs like a charm.
much smaller though, those 2 children won't comfortably fit in the Jazz for long.
I think its the same size inside.
Unless you talking about Corolla sedan?
Disagree, unless the MY16 Jazz is significantly different than it's predecessors.
Jazz got plenty of rooms for 2 kids in the back. Hack, they can even fit 2 adults. I don't know what you are talking about. It looks small outside but it's not that small inside.
Do you have one or at least sit in one before you make that comment?
Higher maintence costs and a weaker motor also. I wouldn't do it.
Be warned - some CVT's are absolute lemons. Like mine. Had to spend 000's fixing it! and Honda wouldn't compensate me for any of it even though they knew the issue occurred in a number of cars they had sold
Which car was it?
Model and year?
Honda Jazz 2007
@GameChanger: I'd say just under the 100k mark. I'm not too sure to be honest. Why? Do you know similiar CVT issues?
The Corolla is typically renowned to be a low-risk car.
The fella has to spend under 7.5K. He isn't buying a 40K+ Audi.
Op, if I was hunting for a car under 10k, I would primarily look at the Corollo, Camry, as well as the old Mazda3 (generally reliable).
Make sure you get it checked out by a solid mechanic prior to purchasing!
I don't think my comment deserved a neg. This is an open forum, I just put in my 5 cents. I didn't say anything technically wrong, or made comment about Toyota Corolla. There are people that are more open to risk while some are less open to risk.
Besides that, I had purchased a Nissan Tiida 7 years back for $11K. It had only done 16,000KM and was 1.5 years old. So from my experience, this Corolla seems really expensive. Also work mate sold his 2008 Corolla that had done 60,000KM for $6K couple of months back. He bought it for $8.5K when it had done under 50,000KM.
EDIT:
Before anyone asks. Mates Corolla, was mechanically excellent, however it was parked in the Sun all the time and the clear coat is worn.
The Tiida is an utter pile of shit, I don't trust it at all. It's made for slow occasional city driving in total discomfort, doing anything more than that is asking for trouble.
I imagine you got negged because you gave an opinion, and signed it off with a statement that your opinion was worthless.
mazda 3 is rubbish esp the way it starts, metal on metal sound, known problem, mazda ignored all customers
Is that why it's the top selling model in 2016 top quarter out of all brands?
Haha, exactly Tom.
The Mazda3s are one of the best value cars for money you can buy.
People simply wouldn't buy them if they were "rubbish"
Sure, if you have a couple of grand in reserve for possible repairs, new timing belt, etc etc
timing belt? corolla 2010 has timing chain.
Ah well there ya go :) Should be ok provided the car has FSH, otherwise I'd be checking the chain ;)
whats fsh?
Why would you do this
Following is the complete Toyota Timing Belt and Timing Chain List. Some Toyota engines have timing belts, some have timing chains. It pays to know what your engine has. Belts need to be replaced at normal intervals (usually every 90-100k on late model cars) or you will have hell to pay. Timing chains however are a different story and will generally last the lifetime of the engine. There are no prescribed timing chain replacement intervals.
2010 Corolla -> Timing Chain
http://yourcarangel.com/2012/06/toyota-timing-belt-and-chain…
You didn't read what else I wrote yeah? Provided the car has been serviced properly, the chain should be fine. Again, provided the car has been serviced properly. If that car hasn't had a service for 100,000kms, don't expect that chain to last 400,000kms!
I trust your expertise seeing you are in the biz and I am hijacking this a bit.
For a similar price -whats a good car for our boy that has his P licence. What should we be looking out for? I am sure he thinks a crappy Skyline is fine but thats not goig to happen. He is even looking at 1971 Corollas for some reason (old must be cool)
It's hard to suggest in something sub $10k because it's not something we deal in to be honest. I'd recommend the newest car possible in the price range, but it's likely that it will be something small and buzz-box-y, and probably turn every girl away from him :P (yes, I have to get stereotypical here, it's a young guy!)
So while something like a Suzuki Alto would likely be the newest car with the most airbags, it certainly aint gonna be the one to transport his mates around!
Umm if he's on his P's, so has already driven for a bit, I might suggest a good condition Mitsubishi Magna or 380. I'm biased because I had 1 as my 3rd car, but they're just a decent car without the stigma around the RWD Falcons and Commodores. If his budget is around $7k, then you could look for a $6k car and chuck some rims on, and/or upgrade the stereo head unit so it isn't stock standard (give him Bluetooth at least!).
thanks.
I would recommend the same car, except that if he drives a lot petrol will be expensive which could be an issue if he is low on income as his parents are buying it. Also parking could be a bit if a bit more hassle if he goes to town, and 380s don't have the best rear view and blind spot, but that's every car these days I guess.
What is the stigma around RWD?
Good response.
I probably wouldn't recommend a magna. Some of the older models are renowned to have some serious issues later in their life.
For a P plater, I would probably suggest a corolla/camry. Reliable, cheat on fuel, etc.
Stigma around rwd would be burnouts and doughnuts ;) can't mess around as much with a fwd.
And I know what you mean about parking a magna/380, but it's a good thing to learn how to park those cars :)
@Spackbace: the idiots who think RWD is all about burnouts probably aren't smart enough to know that the Magna/380 are FWD :P
Why are Skyline's 'crappy'?
Just the age of them.
And all the ones I see look like they've been thrashed.
@PVA: Yeah I agree, majority of the Skyline's up for sale have been thrashed and are in terrible condition due to the P-platers who do 'fully dick doehys bra'. But they're not crappy generally speaking.
@TheOneWhoKnocks:
yep, thats what I meant. They are meant to be great cars, but who wants to buy a car that probably has had half a dozen P plate owners who have all thrashed it. and my son would prob do the same, would rather a car that doesnt scream boy racer so much.
@PVA: Overheard one of the apprentice mechanics at work saying he saw his old skyline but wasn't game to talk to the new owner knowing he had sold it with a crack in the firewall. P-plater, thrashed it, broke it, sold it.
@Euphemistic:
Yeah I knew someone who bought a second hand skyline and probably spend about $50,000 doing it up. Lovely car but it was just a money pit. He sold it in the end on got a second hand Hyundai Ascent.
At 191km this car will be up for some serious repairs at some point. Fuel economy should be the least of your concerns. Spend more money and buy a decent car. Especially if you have kids.
Oh no, I'm agreeing with you…!
Plenty of people, me included would think that 191k km on a corolla still gets you a decent car. I don't think that a serviced Corolla with that many km on it would be significantly more risky than one with less than 100k km.
Well yeah, that's the thing, we don't know about the service history/accident history/general condition etc.
It's like the number of customers that I get that want a 'rough' trade-in figure on a car like this, and expect us to pick a number out of a hat lol there's too many possibilities, too many variables that we don't know about here to form a proper opinion about the car. Year/kms just isn't enough
@Spackbace: I dealt with second-hand memorabilia for a good long while. Whenever a customer asked me "How much do ya give for <insert broad category of items here>", I would respond with, "how much would you give me for my car?". Normally made them see the stupid in their question.
Ford Falcon on lpg. It uses quite a bit of it but it is 1/2 price of petrol so cost per km would be equal or less than a Corolla.
Large car. Safe because of weight and size.
Cheap for parts and repairs.
Cheap insurance.
Beautiful…enough!
No way,far too many kms :)
these are OLD cars
more than likely need a timing belt (if they have one)
the four-cylinder engine of the Camry had a timing chain (rather than a belt) and this should last the life of the engine.
To me those kms are too low. The car could have been sitting idle for long periods during its life. I'd rather have one with a minimum of 10,000km/year. I had a friend who bought an immaculate 'only driven to church on Sunday's' car with very low kms. She had all sorts of dramas with seals and hoses when it started getting driven big kms in the country. Sometimes kms can be too low.
I also wouldn't be fussed buying a corolla with 191k on it. Provided it looked well looked after (clean, tidy). Service history would be good too. Having said that I have a reasonable mechanical knowledge and aptitude to be able to pick up problems and fix them
I had a 1990 Corolla which had 15k on it in 2005. It was perfectly fine and still trucks along now with over 100k on the clock. It was regularly driven, just not very far originally. My wife's Jazz is 2004 and has 65k on it, again absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's done local commuting as well as trips up to Coffs, down to Canberra etc. Low kms are not an indicator of sitting around for too long just as high kms are not an indicator of being trashed all its life (e.g. taxi).
@nafe: I also had a 1996 Corolla in 2013 that only had 65,000kms on it. It was my great aunts car, driven regularly just not a lot of long trips on it & it never had any issues.
we have a 2003 corolla thats at 200k, i change the oil, filter and brakes as required. never had any issues, the things are built to last
rollas can do well in excess of 200,000km easy provided that they have been looked after. they're a simple car that can just keep going.
like what the dcarbonetti has said above, look after the oil and the car will look after itself.
my toy car is a 1999 vt commodore wagon that's done 316,000kms. It's an ex telstra work car, and therefore it's been abused and thrashed. However it's been well maintained. Obviously my bomb has wear and tear, bumps and bruises, and plastic things like door handles and fuel flaps falling off (crappy holden design), but the engine is AAA+++. They can easily do 500,000km if looked after.
OP, just one thing with 2010 rollas. This was around the time toyota for some reason decided to manufacture the sedans in Thailand. The hatchbacks were and continue to be made in Japan.
Same here. Mine just clocked past 200k and it hasn't ever broken down on me.
Thanks all for your comment, I was going to see the car today but it got sold last night.
Corollas are a dime a dozen. There will be plenty of others around.
My opinion is that while Corollas are great, everyone knows this, so they are expensive. Also the Koreans have pretty much caught up (I have a 210k on an Elantra and not any issues, it feels like it could get to 300k should we keep it). A Kia Rio will be fine and they will have done much less kms and be much newer for that price. You might even find one with warranty for a bit more.
The other option is take the Camry, they are a lot cheaper than Corollas and just as good being a Toyota, cheap only because smaller cars are more popularand a bit better fuel economy. My opinion is that 7.5k isn't the mark where you can care about the model personally.
Just checked carsales and if you stretch it to 8,4k you could get a 2013 Rio with under 50k on it. I don't know if many people could really with a straight face say an 2010 Corolla with 197k is better than a 2013 Rio with under 50k and 4 years unlimited km warranty will on it? It's a 1k more but that 1k buys you a lot
As long as the Rio has improved in the last few years. I had a Rio as a loan car once while our RAV4 was getting repaired. Despite the RAV being about 5 years older it was a much better car in just about every way. Fit and finish, noise, handling, power. The Rio was a horrid little thing. If they are still bult down to a price, then a Corolla a few years older is going to be a much nicer car.
I'm a fan of high mileage cars such as diesel vw golfs, passats, ford focus, Peugeots and good ol Japanese cars in petrol… It means they've been driven and are cheap.
But always had to be a big caveat - i prefer to buy privately so I can meet the person who owned the car (1 owner from new is a good indicator, moving into a new car for the novated lease) must have full service history and a quick Google search on the car model will highlight any particular issue with that car. Also look for the premium model of the car so get all the perks!
It really does take a fair bit of time on carsales.com.au, phoning and asking pointed questions, an online check for the specific car and then finally having a shortlist of 2 to 5 cars to choose from. The person I am buying the car from is a very important factor.
Can save bucketloads. But requires time, friendly negociation and end up with a car that will last another 150km to 200km with no more risk than a more expensive outlay.
Plenty of cars in that category/age that are fine - focus, cruze, 3, i30, elantra. Also don't forget you can usually negotiate people down pretty easily, if it's carsales you are looking at people are very aspirational with their prices. If your budget is around $7.5k then don't discredit cars listed for $9-10k
Get a pre-purchase inspection. I tend to tell the seller who always says 'the car's perfect!' that if they find nothing wrong then I'll wear the couple of hundred for the inspection, but if something is wrong they have too. All of a sudden they start spilling the beans about a few issues that may be found….
Nup… waay too many k's.
Have look at pickles auction house. I saw a 2010 Corolla with only 10k kms go for about 8k. It had a huge scratch on one side of the car. Otherwise it was almost new. You can find yourself a real bargain.
Do go with a corolla though. There is a reason they retain value better than other cars… They don't die. Also they are easy to repair, find parts for and are pretty economical.
Thanks, I've never seen pickles before. I'm in a similar position as the op, pickles looks great.
Gosh I'm sad to read pickles gets terrible reviews http://www.productreview.com.au/p/pickles-auctions.html =(
Of course it does, they don't do anything to the cars prior to selling, hence why it's mainly dealers that pick up the good cars.
i just bought a honda civic with 230Ks on it 2000 model, been driving it 1 week and died and needs a new timing belt. but since i got it for a bargain (less than $3k), i expected some repair cost.
Hopefully the repair cost will be slightly less than 3k
Timing belt will cost you minimum $1k.
Why do u want to get the one with high kms while u can get one with low kms? Cheaper price ? Worth it ? No !
That's alot of kms, check if engine is clean, offer $6k
7.5ks is a lot of budget to buy a used car with your requirements, I recommend ford focus rather than corolla, its less km, newer year, for the price.
2006 camry less than 100k only mostly 7k
What a great topic, one that everyone can easily advise you on.
Yes you should buy it, from your description it sounds great and will give you years of trouble free motoring.
A better car would be a Toyota landcruiser
I bought a 2010 Kia Rio hatch with 35,000 kms for $7500 over two years ago. It's very reliable, very efficient and hasn't skipped a beat. Also have two kids as well and they are comfortable. Don't waste your money on label cars. Give Kia a go they are great vehicles.
I wonder if you'll say the same thing when your car reaches 200,000kms.
I personally would avoid buying any secondhand car approaching 200,000 kms but that's just me. I think Corolla is a good conservative choice, but would try looking for one with less use even if it costs more.
Toyota Corolla's from 2002 onwards have a modern styling. Id say go for an older model with lower km's, it'd probably be a safer bet.
Your bio says youre in Melbourne, these ones look alright:
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Toyota-Corolla-20…
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Toyota-Corolla-20…
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Toyota-Corolla-20…
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Toyota-Corolla-20…
@jahangi: it might be a good deal, but I will be selling my 2009 corolla for 10k and it only has 73,000km on it. Its better to find an older model with less kms than a newer model with more kms.
What is this? Are you mean to share a link?