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ESV Global Study Bible

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Comments

- - - KentT on 23/10/2015 - 12:57
      
      Now please answer me how can a person who claims to be a Christian that kills his enemies to serve his own political agenda, thereby doing the opposite of the very thing they claim to believe, actually be a Christian?
      
      There are no Muslim terrorists, because anyone who committed an act of terrorism wasn't a true Muslim.
      And no Australian ever committed any crime, because true Australians wouldn't do that.
      
      Please answer me this, when hitler, stalin and other mass genocidal maniacs who believed in evolution, murdered people,
      
      Well, they clearly didn't TRULY believe in evolution, right?
      
      No communist has ever murdered anyone, because Stalin obviously wasn't a TRUE communist.
      
      whereabouts in the book of evolution does it say what they did was wrong?
      
      Nowhere, obviously. Evolution has nothing to do with right or wrong, it describes changes in species over generations. You might as well ask what your high school maths book says.
      
      Based on what moral compass and guideline did they violate their own moral integrity and belief system?
      
      You would have to ask them that.
      
      Evolution and atheism are not moral codes to live by, I have no idea why you would think it does.
      
      Atheism just means not believing in gods. You know the way you think of Ra, Zeus, Odin, the Tooth Fairy, Harry Potter and Yoda as imaginary characters? That's how atheists look at your god.
      
      Gesundheit.
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 13:55
      
      @KentT:
      Kent the quran orders them to kill non believers so you are wrong.
      Hitler put evolution to the test and they did no evil according to evolution which teaches we are animals with no purpose.
      If I was atheist I would have no moral boundaries aside from what i self prescribe.
      You know this so why don't you appreciate Jesus and what he said as people who really seek to follow him are less inclined to do wrong.
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 14:32
      
      @KentT:
      
      Most christians fail to mention that Stalin studied to be a priest for many years. THe only reason the COmmunists were anti church was because the Orthodox church was part of the Ancient REgime in Russia along with the Tsar. Its was simply a power struggle, they didnt want to share any power with the church so they eliminated them. Its the same reason Henry VIII made up the church of England, he didnt want to share any power with the Pope.
      
      How can people be so blind and not realise religion is bullshit, and they are being played.
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 14:34
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      Hitler was a christian. For starters it was a requirement of being in the SS.
      
      The SS didnt do anything that jews or christians didnt do in the past. If anything the SS were nicer than the jews of the OT.
    - KentT on 23/10/2015 - 14:35
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      Kent the quran orders them to kill non believers so you are wrong.
      
      The bible tells you to kill lots of people, for lots of reasons.
      
      If a christian kills a child who cursed his parents, that's fine because the bible said so?
      
      Hitler put evolution to the test and they did no evil according to evolution which teaches we are animals with no purpose.
      
      Evolution doesn't deal with good and evil, you should stop pretending it does.
      
      If I was atheist I would have no moral boundaries aside from what i self prescribe.
      
      So the only reason you don't go on a killing spree is because you're afraid of going to hell?
      
      That makes you are a terrible person.
      
      A decent person wouldn't need divine reward as incentive to act decently.
      
      You know this so why don't you appreciate Jesus and what he said as people who really seek to follow him are less inclined to do wrong.
      
      There is no reason to think that christians are more law-abiding than atheists.
      
      If anything christianity gives you a cheap way out where you're forgiven without any consequences. You admit using that little perk yourself.
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 14:59
      
      @KentT:
      Jesus said to forgive your enemies and do good to them. Bible says whoever is in disobedience and unrepentant is NOT i repeat NOT a christian. Bible says many who claim to be christian are lost and under judgement. So you are dead wrong about bible commanding christians to murder. You can look into ancient world and see stuff written to ancient jewish people sure but that has nothing to do with the New Covenant. The quran has commands to kill the non believer and it is standing orders.
      
      You are making things up by stating I only do not kill because of the bible. What I said about self prescribed morality is what you have yourself and you do not kill.
      
      Cheap way out is available for all as Jesus dies for the sins of the world. I didn't invent the love of Christ nor his saving power.
      
      @99c
      You need to understand that catholic church is NOT CHRISTIAN. You need to understand what I said above that many millions and or billions who claim to be Christian are not and the bible tells you how to identify a fraud. You don't believe the bible but you believe what version of bible believers should use and you think we should be killing and raping to be faithful to Jesus.
    - ThatSavingFeeling on 23/10/2015 - 15:05
      
      @KentT:
      
      I'm a bit confused by your comments…
      
      Block-quote Evolution and atheism are not moral codes to live by, I have no idea why you would think it does.
      
      Block-quote > Block-quote Please answer me this, when hitler, stalin and other mass genocidal maniacs who believed in evolution, murdered people,
      
      Block-quote Well, they clearly didn't TRULY believe in evolution, right?
      
      In one sentence you defend the concept of a persons belief system being valid even if it contravenes the core moral code of that belief system (christians)
      
      And in the next you compare the same thing to an ideology that does not have a moral code associated to it (stalin and evolution). This does not seem to make any sense.
      
      My question about the morality of evolution was to expose this. There is no moral code in evolution. Each person is free to do as he or she wishes. I appreciate your honesty on that.
      
      You also mention muslims, I'm not into bashing other religions, but we should take the face value of what their belief system says (based on their Quoran).
      
      Being Australian is not an ideology its a nationality. Most people do not choose to become Australian, they are born this way. And those who choose to migrate are not required to choose an ideology. I'm not sure how that example is relevant.
      
      A group can be known by its symbology however. If the Australian Olympic team grabs the Brazilian flag and parades with it. Are the Australians now Brazilians? So how does a group who are killing others under the banner of a false cross , make them legitimately that group.
      
      When we have seen this happen throughout history is when (usually state sponsored) infiltrators join a group deliberately to discredit and undermine that group. For example when governments have placed undercovers into radical groups to deliberately stir up and do illegal acts for the purposes of discrediting that group. The populous is then deceived to believe erroneous things about that group.
      
      Is it possible you are also deceived ?
    - KentT on 23/10/2015 - 15:40
      
      @ThatSavingFeeling:
      
      I'm a bit confused by your comments…
      In one sentence you defend the concept of a persons belief system being valid even if it contravenes the core moral code of that belief system (christians)
      
      No confusion needed. The argument is complete hocum.
      
      That was sarcasm to demonstrate the absurdity of the argument of using the qualifier "TRUE" to whitewash the group you belong to.
      
      And in the next you compare the same thing to an ideology that does not have a moral code associated to it (stalin and evolution). This does not seem to make any sense.
      My question about the morality of evolution was to expose this. There is no moral code in evolution. Each person is free to do as he or she wishes. I appreciate your honesty on that.
      
      Both you (in the post starting with Gandhi) and thelastnoob speak of evolution as if it was an alternative to religion.
      
      I don't see how honesty has anything to do with it. No one who believes in evolution thinks it has anything to do with morality.
      
      You might as well ask questions about the morality of electricity.
      
      Being Australian is not an ideology its a nationality. Most people do not choose to become Australian, they are born this way. And those who choose to migrate are not required to choose an ideology. I'm not sure how that example is relevant.
      
      It's a member of a group. Like a member of a church. But if they break the rules they weren't really members.
      
      And most people don't choose their religion, they are put into the same organisation as their parents.
      
      No argument of "TRUE" members of a group is relevant. It is ALWAYS a way to distance yourself from people belonging to the same group as you, in an effort to not look bad by association.
      
      Claiming murderers aren't real christians because they broke the rules of christianity is disingenuous at best. If that's the metric, it should apply for ALL the rules, and since everyone sins all the time, are there any true christians in the world at all?
      
      You also mention muslims, I'm not into bashing other religions, but we should take the face value of what their belief system says (based on their Quoran).
      
      Agreed. So anything in the bible applies to christians, right?
      
      Or do you have specific sections that don't count?
      
      A group can be known by its symbology however. If the Australian Olympic team grabs the Brazilian flag and parades with it. Are the Australians now Brazilians? So how does a group who are killing others under the banner of a false cross , make them legitimately that group.
      
      You're trying to tell me that if a christian has done something wrong - even if they were churchgoers from birth - it was all a false flag operation by infiltrators to make christianity look bad?
      
      That level of paranoia is troubling, to say the least.
      
      Do you have a list of people who you actually consider christian?
    - KentT on 23/10/2015 - 16:20
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      Jesus said to forgive your enemies and do good to them. Bible says whoever is in disobedience and unrepentant is NOT i repeat NOT a christian.
      
      So a christian can do anything they want and still be christian, as long as they feel bad afterwards?
      
      Bible says many who claim to be christian are lost and under judgement. So you are dead wrong about bible commanding christians to murder. You can look into ancient world and see stuff written to ancient jewish people sure but that has nothing to do with the New Covenant. The quran has commands to kill the non believer and it is standing orders.
      
      Just to clarify.. nothing in the old testament applies? It's all new testament?
      
      You seem awfully anti-gay for someone who pays no attention to the old testament. There's not that much about homosexuality in the new testament you know.
      
      You are making things up by stating I only do not kill because of the bible. What I said about self prescribed morality is what you have yourself and you do not kill.
      
      Ok, so if you're a good person anyway, what do you need the bible for? You're just saying it's pointless.
      
      Cheap way out is available for all as Jesus dies for the sins of the world. I didn't invent the love of Christ nor his saving power.
      
      Great, consequence-free sinning for all! Thanks, Jesus.
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 16:23
      
      @KentT:
      i think gay and fornication are very bad so im not crusading against gays alone.
      God says you reap what you sow so its not like that.
      Kent you love to take a one liner and put a spin on it over and over.
      like when you said the only reason i dont murder is because of bible.
      its your MO
    - KentT on 23/10/2015 - 16:33
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      i think gay and fornication are very bad so im not crusading against gays alone.
      
      If you think it's bad maybe you should think about not participating in gay fornication.
      
      If it's only others you concern yourself with, how does it affect you?
      
      God says you reap what you sow so its not like that.
      
      So what will be your punishment for your crimes? Seeing as you decided to keep it all secret instead of confessing to law enforcement - which sounds like the christian thing to do.
      
      Kent you love to take a one liner and put a spin on it over and over.
      like when you said the only reason i dont murder is because of bible.
      
      You wrote: "If I was atheist I would have no moral boundaries aside from what i self prescribe."
      
      That implies you believe you would behave worse than you do now. Why is that?
      
      If you would behave the same way, why do you need the bible?
      
      If you would behave differently, how?
- ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 15:49
  
  On the contrary most of the well known and scientific minds of true and observable and testable science throughout history came from bible believers. They were men of inquiry,with a relentless pursuit of knowledge.
  
  So where is the science and technology in the bible ?
  
  How come god speaks to the jewish kings and priests who wrote the bible but never teaches them the basics.
  
  No electricity ?
  No gravity ?
  
  What kind of person really believes that god would only speak to the kigns and priests ? Have you checked what Moses and all the other prophets and did ?
  
  If you believe a Christian cannot have a mind of inquiry, how do you explain Isaac Newton or even Einstein who believed in God, or the many other famous scientists who built the bedrock of so many modern fields.
  
  Einstein never said he believed in the bible. YOu also forgot to mention most people hardly had a choice, just look at Darwin and the opposition to his publishing of his great book. We all know not all people in Iran believe in Allah, but when you hardly have a choice is it fair to claim they all believe ?
  
  No christian can start a war in the name of the bible, only a non christian could do so, under a false pretense for political purposes
  
  Says who ?
  
  The bible never says this at all, and the OT is filled with Moses, Joshua and zillions of others doing exactly that. Are you aware its gods will to make war, capture slaves, rape virgins and many other evils ?
  
  If you want the scriptures, google for them or ask.
  - thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 16:44
    
    Moses and the others were ancient jewish people under different laws. Christianity is post Christ. He mentioned Christian specifically.
    
    Science in the bible
    http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
    
    Many of the founders and/or top olden days scientists had no problem with a belief in God.
    - ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 19:23
      
      Except your lying…
      
      Moses says in Mat 5:19 to keep folloowing moses laws. THe apostles had a big fight in acts with Paul about this.
      
      Science in the bible
      http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
      
      The bible doesnt teach science, the proof is the jews were backwards, in the bible. THe jews invented and discovered nothing, thats why their kingdom was always a little bit of shit. Now the pagan Egyptians, Greeks, Babylonians they made a great start, certainly a lot more than the bible jews.
      
      Simple fact is nobody ever read the bible and built a computer or cured cancer. The bible doesnt know about electricity, atoms, computers, rockets, engines or anything…
      
      Many of the founders and/or top olden days scientists had no problem with a belief in God.
      
      YOu also forgot to mention that if you spoke against the bible you got burnt at the stake and a whole lot more. Remember Gallileo, etc.
      
      YOur making a lot of assumptions, that all those men even believed in the bible god for starters. Even the bible has dozens of gods in it.
    - aboabo on 23/10/2015 - 00:20
      
      Moses was a Levite, not a Jew. [Exodus 2]
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:02
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      Egyptians would have starved if not for God placing Joseph there.
      Jews were slaves to your beloved superior egyptian pagan mates.
      It was not christians killing at the stake that was people who were against the teaching of Jesus claiming to be following him
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:07
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      We arent here to judge the Egyptians… nobody is pretending they are some superior truth or moral standard. We all know they were ancient people often with bad customs and laws… just like the bible.
      
      Its especially sad that as soon as Moses gets out of Egypt he goes and "pretends" that god told him to make up laws for rich people to take slaves.
      
      Dont go and start pointing the finger at others, nobody is pretending the Egyptian gods are true. Remember you claim christian is better with truth and morals… but the truth is its the SAME SACK OF SHIT as everybody else… that proves its just another man made invention.
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:08
      
      @aboabo:
      
      The Levites were the priestly tribe within the Jews. Given this background its no surprise most of hte laws of Moses are about paying money, food, gold etc to the temple. Like i said before Moses used God as a puppet to help himself and his family.
      
      The levites pulled the same animal, grain and other food sacrifice as everybody else did back then. What most christians fail to mention is they didnt burn ALL the animal, they BURNT only the LEFT OVERS after eatting the best bits.
      
      It was a scam to get free food etc.
      
      As always people invent religion and god to help themselves…you never find people inventing their own religion that commands them to give all their worldly posessions to the poor. Nbody in the bible gets a command to give all their stuff to poor , the sick and all that. God always gives out laws that hep them.. They want free food, money for the temple, so does god.. they want to be king, god says them and their family are chosen to rule. Funny how that always works out.
- eggnbacon on 22/10/2015 - 16:15
  
  +1
  
  I like how you dismiss atheist ideas as 'misleading propaganda' and go on to provide misleading propaganda.
KevinFine on 22/10/2015 - 09:18

+1

Some of us have totally lost the meaning of this post. And the use of the English language is dismal to say the least.

Choose your own path, but take these words:

2 Corinthians 6:14 ESV
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
- ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 15:53
  
  Big words from a book that says slavery, rape and killing are fine.
  
  Who takes their morals from people that think all of those are perfectly acceptable ?
  - thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 17:10
    
    Wrong Jesus covered this when he said the second greatest commandment is
    
    Mark 12:31King James Version (KJV)
    31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
    
    Also
    
    Luke 6:31King James Version (KJV)
    31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:09
      
      I already answered this else where… love they neighbour is a direct quote of Lev 19:18… and we all know the jews loved their neighbours so much they killed, raped, and slaved them. Add the fact Jesus said Moses laws were great and shouldnt change…Jesus isnt so warm and cudly.
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:16
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      Bible study and interpretation is not like your game of this verse and that verse out of context like all cults
      if jesus wanted us to rape and kill he would not say love your ememies
      i wont listen to you or cults twisting stuff I will listen to Jesus much to your dismay
      I wont rape or kill for you ever Jesus DIDNT MEAN TO RAPE AND KILL even as much as you fantasize about him doing it
      Im sorry for whatever abuse you suffered but it was not God's fault and most likely a false unsaved fake christian abused you
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:18
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      Bible study and interpretation is not like your game of this verse and that verse out of context like all cults
      
      Oh heres that word interpretation… where YOU get to pick what the bible really means. YOur basically saying god couldnt write the bible properly so YOU have to change the words to make it SAY WHAT YOU WANT.
      
      I wont rape or kill for you ever Jesus DIDNT MEAN TO RAPE AND KILL even as much as you fantasize about him doing it
      
      So why didnt hge condemn Moses laws which say exactly that ?
      
      What kind of person KNOWS it says all that and then says follow it without any corrections ?
      
      Im sorry for whatever abuse you suffered but it was not God's fault and most likely a false unsaved fake christian abused you
      
      Show a little class and stop making lies you know arent true.
      
      Is that how low you have fallen to make UP MORE LIES… because you cant handle the disgrace that is the bible ?
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:19
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      i wont listen to you or cults twisting stuff I will listen to Jesus much to your disma
      
      I havent twisted anything….
      
      Everything i have said is FROM THE BIBLE word for word…
      
      Next time you say i twist anything… show me what i said and how i twisted the bible quote im presenting…
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:23
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      I AM NOT GOING TO DO THIS FOREVER YOU SAY JESUS WANTS US TO RAPE AND KILL I SHOWED YOU JESUS SAYS LOVE ENEMY AND YOU KEEP WAFFLING ABOUT JEW RAPE JEW MURDER ALL DAY LONG JESUS COMMANDS LOVE AND FORGIVE NOT RAPE YOU TAKE A VERSE AND SAY IT MEANS WE ARE TO RAPE AND MURDER ETC JESUS SAYS DONT RAPE AND MURDER 99c SAYS JESUS WANTS YOU TO RAPE AND MURDER YOU ARE WRONG JESUS IS RIGHT YOU CAN PREACH JESUS WANTS US TO RAPE AND MURDER TO ISIS WHILE CHRISTIAN KIDS THEY ARE EXECUTING WILL FORGIVE THEM NOT RAPE THEM
    - AntMan76 on 23/10/2015 - 16:48
      
      +2
      
      @thelastnoob: You murdered and raped punctuation so I added some for my entertainment…
      
      I AM NOT GOING TO DO THIS FOREVER YOU SAY. JESUS WANTS US TO RAPE AND KILL. I SHOWED YOU. JESUS SAYS LOVE ENEMY AND YOU KEEP WAFFLING. ABOUT JEW, RAPE JEW. MURDER ALL DAY LONG JESUS COMMANDS. LOVE AND FORGIVE NOT. RAPE. YOU TAKE A VERSE AND SAY IT. MEANS WE ARE TO RAPE AND MURDER ETC. JESUS SAYS DONT RAPE AND MURDER 99c. SAYS JESUS WANTS YOU TO RAPE AND MURDER. YOU ARE WRONG JESUS. IS RIGHT YOU CAN PREACH. JESUS WANTS US TO RAPE AND MURDER. TO ISIS, WHILE CHRISTIAN KIDS, THEY ARE EXECUTING. WILL FORGIVE THEM NOT RAPE THEM.
      
      I couldn't resist.
    - NosDan on 23/10/2015 - 17:48
      
      @AntMan76: can i play too?
      
      I AM NOT GOING TO DO THIS FOREVER YOU SAY.
      
      JESUS WANTS US TO RAPE AND KILL.
      
      I SHOWED YOU.
      
      JESUS SAYS LOVE ENEMY AND YOU KEEP WAFFLING.
      
      ABOUT JEW, RAPE JEW.
      
      MURDER ALL DAY LONG JESUS COMMANDS.
      
      LOVE AND FORGIVE NOT.
      
      RAPE.
      
      YOU TAKE A VERSE AND SAY IT.
      
      MEANS WE ARE TO RAPE AND MURDER ETC.
      
      JESUS SAYS DONT RAPE AND MURDER 99c.
      
      SAYS JESUS WANTS YOU TO RAPE AND MURDER.
      
      YOU ARE WRONG JESUS.
      
      IS RIGHT YOU CAN PREACH.
      
      JESUS WANTS US TO RAPE AND MURDER.
      
      TO ISIS, WHILE CHRISTIAN KIDS, THEY ARE EXECUTING.
      
      WILL FORGIVE THEM NOT RAPE THEM.
- eggnbacon on 22/10/2015 - 16:26
  
  +1
  
  And a drizzle of sexism to boot.
  
  1 Corinthians 14:34-35 ESV
  The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
  If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
  - thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 17:11
    
    Yes and the husband is commanded to give his life for the wife if necessary.
    The bible recognizes the female as the weaker sex and for the majority of women it is scientific proven
    The meaning is physical so it is not a claim that men are smarter
    - eggnbacon on 22/10/2015 - 19:32
      
      Where exactly from that quote can you even begin to claim that the 'meaning is physical'?
      
      It is as unambiguous a statement as you can get, and yet when it doesn't fit in with our modern standards of decency, these (your) specious arguments are thrown in to try and justify them.
      
      Let me throw another quote your way on the same topic and see what justification you have for it.
      
      1 Timothy 2:11-15 ESV
      
      Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.
    - thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 20:05
      
      @eggnbacon:
      
      1 Peter 3:7
      Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
      
      Ephesians 5:25
      Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
    - eggnbacon on 22/10/2015 - 23:21
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      How does this absolve the bible's poor take on the value of women? Husbands love your wives but they aren't allowed to speak in churches?
      
      It's shameful if they do speak? Women should be submissive?
      Woman are the cause of all human suffering (because Eve sinned first)?
      Their only value to god is through baby making?
    - thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 23:22
      
      @eggnbacon:
      NOT men are commanded to die for wife
      Wife not commanded to die for husand
      BINGO
      
      ADAM SINNED the bible says hes to blame
      https://answersingenesis.org/sin/original-sin/who-gets-the-b…
    - eggnbacon on 22/10/2015 - 23:24
      
      @thelastnoob:
      Whilst ignoring everything that has been said, well done.
    - thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 23:25
      
      @eggnbacon:
      Sorry im tired and confused please explain
      The bible blames adam and tells the husband to die for wife whats wrong with that
      women get a different rap to men
      childbirth pain etc
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:11
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      THe sexism of the Bible shows it reflects the beliefs and customs of hte time.. They invent god and use him as a puppet to say whatever they wish.. in this case to preach that women are servants of men.
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:17
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      its tells men to lay down their life unto death for the wife as well
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:22
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      That doesnt change the fact it says they are unequal, and thats the point. YOu cant erase that evil by changing the topic. A pedophile cant get away from raping a kid because he gave money to charity.
      
      A wrong is a wrong. God is perfect those wrongs shouldnt be there…
      
      This is yet another law that shows Moses law was invented by middle east barbarians.
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:24
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      Husbands are commanded to love wives and die for them
      wives are not commanded to do this
      so it is not equal it is different
      no need to be broken up about it
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:27
      
      +1
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      so it is not equal it is different
      
      If things are equal they cant be different… thats what the concept means.
      
      You do realise how many women suffered for nearly 2000 years because of this type of idea.
LuthLexor on 22/10/2015 - 10:52

+6

Thanks OP for the post. Great deal.

For the record: Jesus-follower, evolution believer, pro-life. That's my contribution to the mess above.
- KevinFine on 22/10/2015 - 12:46
  
  We are now living in Grace ! Praise Him !
  
  wonder how long before this deal is removed
  - LuthLexor on 22/10/2015 - 15:40
    
    +1
    
    Why would it be removed?
    
    You can't confuse the protests of a few vocal atheists with the majority. Going by the upvotes and downvotes, you can see that most people aren't bothered by a study Bible appearing on Ozbargain.
    
    I mean, to be fair, if a book on atheism showed up as a deal, you know a few crazy Christians would make their way into there and let it rip :)
    
    … except for one of Dawkins' books. Then we would all be in agreement that it's a bad deal, le lol.
  - ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 15:54
    
    Are all the starving kids in Africa living in Grace ?
    
    Are all the slaves who have suffered, died, in their misery living in Jesus grace ?
    
    What a sad joke.
    - thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 17:13
      
      Those who are saved are living in grace even if living in torment.
      Since you are so worried about starving kids maybe you can help them out
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:12
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      Are you blind ?
      
      How can you call it grace when a kid is dying because they live in a shithole, with no food and all that sadness.
      
      Jesus LIED when he said ask and it shall be given…because all those poor people have asked for help and god and jesus always failed them. If you or me failed our kids in the same way today we would be in jail and rightly so for neglect etc.
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:20
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      Isis just executed christian kids who would not renounce Christ
      their fingers got chopped off and they got crucified and you know what they are very happy and have no sorrow and no pain and no suffering and they are in heaven
      read about christian martyrs and stop pretending real believers are the rape and murder
      
      haha you think when Jesus said ask and it will be given he meant he would be a genie and do anything give anything
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:24
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      Yeh and christians and jews did the same … go read your bible how the jews massacred and raped thousands.. COncentrate on reading the book of Joshua.
      
      Like i said before bible morals are no different from those of other evil customs. that shows they are all man made.
      
      haha you think when Jesus said ask and it will be given he meant he would be a genie and do anything give anything
      
      Since it clearly doesnt work its evil to give people false hopes like that. In other words Jesus is a liar.
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:27
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      I SAID I AM SORRY FOR THE ABUSE YOU MAY HAVE SUFFERED BUT SINCE YOU AND YOUR ABUSER CAME FROM A ROCK AND YOU BOTH KNOW THERE IS NO EVIL OR GOOD STOP PRETENDING THERE IS AND STOP PRETEDING JESUES WANTED US TO RAPE AND KILL JESUS SAID TO LOVE JESUS SAID ONT TRO KILL ANYONE YOU IMAGINE JESUS WANTRS RAPE AND KILL JESSU S SAISD TO LOVCE NOT TO RASPE AND KILL YOU AREE WRTONG
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:32
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      for libel for claiming i was abused.
      
      Comeon lets goto a police station and make it official… put your balls on the line.
      
      ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:32 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:34
      
      +1
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      This is what i mean by your liar… you have no idea and yet you go around making up total lies and fabrications.
      
      So when shall we meet ?
      
      BTW: I will sue your arse for every cent you have an donate it to charity.. maybe then it will teach you to start telling the truth.
      
      ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:34 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:36
      
      +1
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      I already told you mohammad was a liar just like Moses…take a clue and learn to read and thnk… all religion is bullshit.
      
      Just look at your sad conduct.. you defend rapists, slaveers, you LIe over and over again… you really have no shame.
      
      ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:36 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:36
      
      @thelastnoob: YOU NOW ANGRY ABOUT IT AND WERE OK WITH IT BEFORE
      
      thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:36 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:36
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      Brainwashed ?
      
      Thats a bit rich coming from a person who believes what you do…
      
      YOu believe what rich kings and priests who kill , rape and slave….say…
      
      What kind of person believes a mass killer ? or takes advice from them ?
      
      ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:36 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:38
      
      @ninetyNineCents: IM NOT REPSONMNFG TO YOU ANYMORE
      I SAID IM SOIRRY WHATEVER HAPPEND TO YOU
      GO SEE PPOLICE WHY THEY DID WHAT EVER
      ITS ROICKS AND CLOCKS
      I SONTR WAN TYOUY TRO SUUDFDE
      RIM SICK OF TYPRING TO PANSDETR O YUOU
      
      thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:38 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:40
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      Yeh because your a coward and a liar.
      
      I already showed your bible to written by criminals of the worst kind, just like the Koran. You cant even remotely defend it, without making up total lies. You have no honour. I havent told a single lie, everything i said is true backed by quotes.
      
      Typical christian they run away when someone with more intelligence and knowledge of history shows them up. I destroyed everything you claimed about the bible. Just like you lie, the bible authors lied and manipulated the text that you read.
      
      Liar upon liar upon liar…
      
      ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:40 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:40
      
      @thelastnoob:
      HURRY UP PM ME YOUR NUMBER AND ILL CALL THE COPS AND 3 WAY CALL IT
      
      thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:40 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:41
      
      @thelastnoob:
      IM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR NUMBER SO WE CAN ALL CALL THE COPS AND TALK ABOIUT JEWS AND RAPE AND MOSES TO THEM
      
      thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:41 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:41
      
      @thelastnoob:
      WHOSE HTE LIAR YOUR BEGGIN FOR COPS IM WAITING FOR YOUR NUMBER
      
      thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:41 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:42
      
      @thelastnoob:
      I AM STILL WAITING THGIUS KEYBOARD WARRIOR IS WAITING TO CALL POLICE BUT NOW YOU BACKDOWN
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:47
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      WHERE IS FLINDERS?
      
      thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:47 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:54
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      Coward.
      
      ARE YOU A LADY OR A MAN BTW?
      
      Why dont you pray to Jesus, he always answers doesnt he ?
      
      Come on hypocrite why ask me if you have the power and support of Jesus and God. You claim to have faith and yet you ask me…
      
      ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 15:54 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:56
      
      @thelastnoob:
      WHY YOU SO MAD AND ANGRY IM SORRY OF TALKING ABOUT ABUSE WHY SOINT YOU EXPLAIN WHAYT AHPPEND YOU REFUSED TO DIUSGHUST IT WHEN I ASKED SO IUM CURIOUS
      
      thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:56 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
- ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 15:49
  
  +1
  
  Your not a follower of Jesus unless you follow Moses laws. Go check what Jesus said in Mat 5:18.
  - LuthLexor on 22/10/2015 - 16:42
    
    Lol. Grats on disproving 2000 years of Christian theology by saying "go check out" a verse that apparently you think no one has read before.
    
    It looks like you need a study Bible if that's what you think Jesus means in Matthew 5:18.
    
    Hey, I hear there's a free one around here somewhere?
    - ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 19:10
      
      Lets see what it says..
      
      http://biblehub.com/matthew/5.htm
      
      19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
      
      <<
      
      >
      but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
      <
      
      Pretty clear here….who ever teaches and follows Moses laws will be great in heaven.. it doesnt say ignore them it says teach and do them.
      
      Add the fact that Jeuss himself always did Moses laws and its check mate.
    - ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 19:26
      
      Lol. Grats on disproving 2000 years of Christian theology by saying "go check out" a verse that apparently you think no one has read before
      
      You mean 2000 years of xians making shit up… thats why there are thousands of different churches right ?
      
      GO read what i quoted, notice I HAVENT CHANGED A SINGLE WORD….
      
      None of them like what the bible says so they go invent more bullshit. Dont argue with me, go check just how many different xians churches there are all telling you different things. If they all read the bible word for word, there would be only one christianity.
      
      Hell you cant even agree if there is a trinity or not.
    - NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 19:29
      
      @ninetyNineCents: technically… the bible is some 3500 years old (give or take a couple of centuries) :)
      
      would make it much easier if they dated their works of fiction back then like they do today tho.
    - ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 19:31
      
      @nosdan:
      
      Actually it cant be 3500 y/o because it was only completed around 1900 years ago.
    - NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 19:35
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      
      again i hate to split hairs… but if your going to talk about when it was "completed" you would mean 1979? when the king james version was rewritten? you cant simply call that a "reprint" of the otiginal because its a somewhat different to the "original"?
    - ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 19:37
      
      @nosdan:
      
      I say 1900 years because the gospels were written 50+ years after Jesus died. Many of the other books inthe NT are even older, so the last book written is not even 1900 years ago.
    - ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 19:38
      
      @nosdan:
      
      No by completed i mean when the last NT book was written, im not discussing translations and other commentaries., that would be stupid. If i was counting translations how does 2015 - 1979 equal 1900 years ?
    - NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 20:51
      
      @ninetyNineCents: again i hate to split hairs…. but…
      
      No by completed i mean when the last NT book was written
      
      were they written… or just rewritten at those times? in fact isnt all the bible is is rewritten and retold stories from the past?
      
      isnt the bible simply a collection of stories handed down and usually slightly changed every time they were written/told? so you really need to claim when they were first written not when they were altered to be "more modern"?
      
      edit: and if not… why not?
    - ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 20:58
      
      @nosdan:
      
      Wel your observation is mostly true. I think your forgetting WHY the bible was written and by WHOM…
      
      When you understand the authors are scumbags of the worst kind, and you understand they use god as a puppet to scare and justify their positions it all makes sense. Its not a matter of truth in anyway, they naturally steal local myths and stories and then write their authority from god into the story.
      
      Everybody back then believed in demons, the gods etc, so they copy the same ideas. Everybody beleve din slavery and inequality of women and so on, so naturally moses laws are basically the same as all the other barbarians. The difference is of course the kings and priest families no matter what are somehow selected for their position simply because.
      
      We see exactly the same scam in islam, all the kings, emirs etc all claim to be descendants of MOhammad. In fact the major schism in Islam between the Sunni and Shia is EXACTLY about this very problem, who is in the leader or caliph of Islam. ISIS themselves claim they are etc.
    - ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 21:01
      
      @nosdan:
      
      so you really need to claim when they were first written not when they were altered to be "more modern"?
      
      Well when we use the term BIble, i think its fair to say we mean the entire book, not the first book but everything. We cant have the bible until the last book is written, which is why the age of the bible is closer to 1900 rather than 3500 yrs.
      
      It just doesnt make sense to say the bible is 3000+ years and yet the jesus story is less than 2000.
    - LuthLexor on 23/10/2015 - 13:18
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      
      sigh This is why discussing this stuff with people like you is very frustrating. It's like you've got a single goal: to not try to find out what the Bible is teaching but rather stick to a point that you think is a "gotcha!!!"
      
      So with that in mind, I'll only respond once more. Feel free to reply and add your final points, if you want: I won't try to prove otherwise after this post.
      
      Jesus said in the verse right before all this: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
      
      Now I'm guessing you simply don't know how the idea that Jesus would "fulfil" the Law fits into your interpretation. You probably don't know what it means because it doesn't make any sense if the verses means what you are saying it means. The point Jesus is making here is that he is not introducing anarchy - he is not endorsing a system of living where you make up stuff as you please: God has already revealed the way he would like people to live (summed up by Jesus as love God with everything nd love people as yourself). What follows (Sermon on the Mount) is Jesus more precisely expounding the laws that people had heard, with the heart of God and the motive of God behind it. So you might read "Do not commit adultery" and think "Sweet! I'm not even married! I can do whatever I want!" Jesus says no, the intent behind that law is that you keep sexually pure, so therefore, no lusting after women is included. So no porn, no private fantasties, etc. Keep sexually pure, and be sexual towards your spouse. Anything outside of that is adultery.
      
      So following on from that, Christian don't "abolish" the laws found in the books of Moses, since they contain the morality of God.
      
      But, what is abolished is the concept of clean / unclean (btw, never to be confused with sinful, as the books of Moses makes it clear that they are in different categories). So therefore, food laws, washing laws, clothes laws, etc, don't apply AFTER Jesus "fulfils" them.
      
      There is ample evidence for this:
      
      Mark 7: Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
      
      Matthew 12: I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.
      
      There's also the times when Jesus touched lepers, prostitutes, etc, which was against the law of Moses.
      
      So with all this, actually, you're wrong :) Trust me, I've been reading the Bible for about 8 years now, so I'm pretty much an expert.
      
      If you want to say "THEN IT MAKES NO SENSE ISSSS HARD TO UNDERSTAND" then that's your problem. I find it not hard to understand at all, and there is no logical inconsistencies.
      
      And like I said, if you actually want to understand what Jesus taught about this topic, PICK UP THE STUDY BIBLE. It's REALLY free! On the otherhand, if you want to be wrong and just fight people on the Internet, keep on going on there mate (y) you're doing a great job.
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 14:01
      
      @Stubo:
      
      Jesus said in the verse right before all this: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
      
      Your just confirmed that Jesus didnt abolish Moses laws which what i said all along..
      
      Now I'm guessing you simply don't know how the idea that Jesus would "fulfil" the Law fits into your interpretation. You probably don't know what it means because it doesn't make any sense if the verses means what you are saying it means.
      
      Two thoughts… you cant fulfil laws… that doesnt make any sense…I cant fulfill Australian laws. Its a bullshit statement.
      
      Secondly ther eare no prophecies about Jesus… thats a fact.. feel free to throw some here.
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 14:07
      
      @Stubo:
      
      So following on from that, Christian don't "abolish" the laws found in the books of Moses, since they contain the morality of God.
      
      :: Thats right anyone who claims that Moses laws are over is lying… Jesus never said anything remotely to confirm they were over.
      
      But, what is abolished is the concept of clean / unclean (btw, never to be confused with sinful, as the books of Moses makes it clear that they are in different categories). So therefore, food laws, washing laws, clothes laws, etc, don't apply AFTER Jesus "fulfils" them.
      
      ::
      Thats completely unfounded… you are inventing theology thats not bible based at all. Of course bible quote if you wish.
      
      > So with all this, actually, you're wrong :) Trust me, I've been reading the Bible for about 8 years now, so I'm pretty much an expert.
      
      > If you want to say "THEN IT MAKES NO SENSE ISSSS HARD TO UNDERSTAND" then that's your problem. I find it not hard to understand at all, and there is no logical inconsistencies.
      
      What makes you think you know more history than me ? Thats a very arrogant thing to say.
      
      How did people make covenants or testaments in the old days.. If youve read the bible you should know this…
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 15:36
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      YOU ALAWYS SAY EVERYONE A LYING
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 16:10
      
      -1
      
      <wront reply>
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 16:12
      
      -1
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      Becayse you did lie multiple times…
      
      You lied when you said there an older manuscript than Sinaiticus that has the women in adultery story. You have produced any evidence for that because there is none.
      
      You lied when you said Xians dont believe in slavery. I showed you xians should be following MOses law which allows slavery. I gave the example of Philemon (the book) .
      
      You lied when said the bible hasnt been changed.
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 16:14
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      more nonsense i havent fouind the mnabnuscript ywet
      saved christians dont do slavery now or long time
      bible changed from what does that mean
      you said jesus wants us to rape and murder but jesus said l;ove and forgiove
    - thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 16:15
      
      @ninetyNineCents:
      sorry part of me feels objijed to reply but you are neergiser bunngy of keyboard jihad i cant keep uo
    - ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 16:15
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      more nonsense i havent fouind the mnabnuscript ywet
      
      Because it doesnt exist…
      
      you said jesus wants us to rape and murder but jesus said l;ove and forgiove
      
      I never said that at all… i said that jesus says we should follow moses laws,, which allow rape, slaving etc.
      
      Anyone who supports such a backward system isnt good.
      
      I never said he wants us to RAPE, KILL etc.. i said he supports a system which ALLOWS them to do those evil things.. This is the same reason why islam & Shariah law is evil and wrong. Both systems allow their people to do EVIL and say thats fine because god allows it.
      
      LEARN TO READ….
booboo on 22/10/2015 - 11:55

Great deal, thanks OP
hunter2 on 22/10/2015 - 12:39

-1

Why would you need to STUDY the bible?! Lol
- KevinFine on 22/10/2015 - 12:45
  
  Why not?
  - thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 12:54
    
    +1
    
    Good question. The bible will give you history of the world, guide you to the truth and eternal life.
    You will learn that the creator of the universe, Jesus came to earth to die for the sins of the world.
    It explains you can have assurance of eternal life by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus and never by any good works or religion.
    You will learn the value of human life and love and also have insight into the future.
    - hunter2 on 22/10/2015 - 14:22
      
      +3
      
      you forgot to put a smiley at the end of your comment to let us know that you are joking…
    - thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:05
      
      @hunter2:
      actually before I was a christian I was a big criminal doing terrible crimes so it's not a joke at all
    - KentT on 22/10/2015 - 15:16
      
      +2
      
      @thelastnoob:
      Did you atone by confessing every last one of those crimes to law enforcement?
    - thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:16
      
      @KentT:
      Atone to man or God? (crimes were bad but no crimes like rape, murder, harm to persons etc)
    - KentT on 22/10/2015 - 15:20
      
      +2
      
      @thelastnoob:
      I'll take that as a "no".
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar
    - thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:32
      
      @KentT:
      Yes you would be right. As far as restitution in some cases it would mean potential death.
      But I have considered who I wronged and what can be done and have done some things for some.
      As far as police go I have rehabilitated and jail makes people come out worse.
      Prisons are built to run as a business and are against rehabilitating people now.
      
      I think in extreme cases of child rape and murder etc they should be making account
      
      Also I have advised many criminals to quit, have reported and tracked criminals and have gotten stolen goods returned to owners.
    - ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 15:51
      
      +2
      
      Have you actually understood what it means that Jesus died for our sins ?
      
      Why did God have to have his son killed so god could forgive himself ?
      
      ITs disgusting to say any of that nonsense was necessary., when God could have just forgiven everyone and be done with it.
    - NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 15:54
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      I think in extreme cases of child rape and murder etc they should be making account
      
      arent all cases of child rape extreme? O.O
      
      im just… speachless…. i wonder what the list of crimes commited were? did they involve children?
      
      is this why you have such a distorted stance that "abortion is worse than child rape"? (which i beleive you yourself said above)
    - thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:58
      
      @nosdan:
      
      Sorry 99c what do you mean by disgusting and nonsense. Please let me know so I can respond.
      
      Nosdan - all cases are extreme i meant extreme cases such as child rape and murder
      it's an error of communication
      If you read what I said you would know I admitted to NO CRIME against the person as in direct
      Speechless you say when i make a typo but I am shocked you think stabbing and decapitating a 9 month old in a pregnant womans womb is not killing a human or taking a life ISIS REJOICE
      
      child rape hurts and destroys a child
      abortion kills the baby
    - ninetyNineCents on 22/10/2015 - 19:12
      
      +1
      
      @thelastnoob:
      
      So you think its a good thing that a father sends his son to die ?
      
      Its just wrong that Jesus had to die so God could forgive mankind… why didnt God just forgive ? WHo forced god to have his son killed ? Thats human sacrifice.
      
      If anyone today forced their kid to DIE just so they could forgive anyone, they would be a monster.

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