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As of Monday, April 13th, Crossway now offers the ESV Global Study Bible free of charge, accessible via a variety of digital platforms.

ESV Global Study Bible

The ESV Global Study Bible is a one-volume study resource for globally minded Christians everywhere. It has been designed from beginning to end to be highly accessible and value priced for distribution on a global scale.

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  • [Deactivated] on 21/10/2015 - 22:51
    -4

    Globally minded Christians?
    A bit limiting isn't it?

    • Diji1 on 21/10/2015 - 23:33
      +4

      You must be one of these evangelising atheists I've been hearing so much about!

      • NosDan on 21/10/2015 - 23:43
        +1

        evangelising atheists

        oh, thats the special kind of moron…. the oxymoron…..

        • clanclan on 21/10/2015 - 23:46
          +3

          Just remembered something I read the other day "evolution is just to fantastic"by someone the believes that Mary was a virgin .

        • colblair on 22/10/2015 - 09:00

          @clanclan:

          You do realise that we have quite a few virgins giving birth due to IVF yeah?

          I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution but to say a virgin can't give birth makes you look a bit silly…

        • KevinFine on 22/10/2015 - 09:04
          +1

          @clanclan:
          "evolution is just to fantastic"
          you mean't to say "evolution is just too fantastic"?

  • Krazyy on 21/10/2015 - 23:01
    +4

    just get the King James Version (1611) KJV, always has and always will be free.

  • BuyoTheCat on 21/10/2015 - 23:36
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    link for US Amazon

    • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 00:10

      As an esteemed man who probably thinks that you know when around the universe was formed can you even say when human life begins?
      ie - you can easily throw around figures of 14 billion years or so but can't or won't figure out what happens 9 months before birth

      • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 00:27
        +1

        but can't or won't figure out what happens 9 months before birth

        we all hope you feel the same way about gravity…. and one day float the (profanity) away…….

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 00:31
          -4

          actually I believe about gravity I wonder if you deny science on conception like Bill Nye (the science denier guy)
          your comment does not make sense in context

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 00:34
          +1

          I wonder if you deny science on conception like Bill Nye

          while i know a bit about bill, i dont know anywhere near enough to know what your talking about. quote to sauce?

          edit: seems you edited your post… anyway

          your comment does not make sense in context

          neither does yours….. but i was somewhat making fun of your rather mindless comment about not knowing what happens "9 months before birth"……. in fact almost anyone knows what happens 9 months before birth……..

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 00:37
          -3

          http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424721/bill-nye-youtub…

          edit: context was to show fallacy of trusting science so blindly when heaps deny human life starts at conception. (therefore 'shoddy medical claims')

          My uncle said it's not a human until born and I have heard lots of similar comments. Actually it's human species and it's alive NEWSFLASH
          Bill Nye will tell you all about 14 billion years ago but loses all credibility when he can't get facts on 9 months ago

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 00:49
          +3

          edit: context was to show fallacy of trusting science so blindly

          and here i where you lost all credibility…… all decent science puts out its hypothesis and its finding for you to test yourself. so if your smart enough you can actually prove it for yourself.

          from my limited memory of reproductive science tho, you need a load of sperm to break down a "wall" around the egg before the one sperm finally fertilises it.

          i can research some "facts" if you like tomorrow *as its late and im tired)

          but a great philosopher once wrote…

          “Science adjusts its views based on what's observed
          Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.”

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 00:59
          -1

          My point was to demonstrate the potential of Rayve to be decieved by false science which is a big problem
          I am assuming he supports abortion and hold to his own 'shoddy medical claims'

          I used one of the world's most known science teachers to demonstrate this
          Bill Nye denies things right in front of him so your quote applies to many so called elite of science as much as it does to bible believers

          I don't know why you are talking about sperm in that context you must be tired

          A lot of science is NOT decent and NOT observable and NOT testable but taught as FACTS
          Yes I have a higher standard and that is not a bad thing at all

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 01:09
          +1

          A lot of science is NOT decent and NOT observable and NOT testable but taught as FACTS

          actually no you are mistaken. ALL science is decent, all science is OBSERVABLE… all science is TESTABLE… that is the very nature of science.

          and no science is taught as "fact"… only the bible is taught as "fact" and is not only none of those things… but is easily discountable.

          edit:

          Yes I have a higher standard

          no. no you have a lower standard.. all you have is a book written 3500 years ago that claims amongst other things that the world is flat…. nothing provable. nothing observable, nothing testable. just a book… and a book that most of is obviously untrue……

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 01:18
          +3

          @nosdan:
          Dark matter, big bang, life from non life, molecules to man etc all taught as fact and all not observed and UNTESTABLE
          When and where is this taught as non-facts? Are you alright?
          I agree you have defined real science correctly

          Bible states world is round and hangs upon nothing and many other amazing ahead of its time revelations (provable)
          You believe we come from nothing, life come from non life etc
          We both have faith and I believe real science as well as bible

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 01:25

          all taught as fact

          no.. all taught as testable theories

          all not observed and UNTESTABLE

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

          When and where is this taught as non-facts?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

          Bible states

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

          We both have faith

          no, i have science…

          “Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.”

          .

          Are you alright?

          nope… im tired and past bed time… so im just paraphrasing :)

        • clanclan on 22/10/2015 - 01:33
          +4

          @thelastnoob:

          "religious apologists, who have no rational arguments to support their beliefs, often challenge atheists to prove that there is no God. Obviously, it is not possible to prove the non-existence of God, just as no one can prove the non-existence of the tooth fairy, unicorns, or other imaginary beings. If someone claims that some improbable entity exists, the onus is on that person to provide evidence. Belief in things for which there is no objective evidence deserves only ridicule, not respect

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 01:33
          +1

          @nosdan:
          this is getting worse
          top scientists declare many things as facts
          when people mention it's theories or non-factual they get shut down
          schools, tv, magazines and most media never or rarely state a disclaimer that it's not fact and it's all presented as facts

          where are facts of everything from nothing, universe existing in a small dot, life coming from non life and pond scum turning into all forms of life on earth?????????????????????????????

          You have faith and you also declare ALL science as decent which is unhealthy and blind faith

          @clanclan
          I never asked that and if you think there are zero rational arguments you are not familiar with creationism or blinded by some factor.
          Would you like to debate God vs tooth fairy and her boyfriend the FSM. You will be very embarrased if you tried.
          Onus is on science to prove what I mentioned above and at least be honest and say they are NON FACTS.

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 01:40

          and here i was thinking i was getting somewhere………

          so lets go back about a billion steps… show me evidence that mary was a virgin when she got impregnated… and it wasnt just the neighbour "doing" her that got her pregnant while joseph was out chopping wood………

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 01:44
          +1

          @nosdan:
          you guys are first rate at changing the subject and not responding to my main questions

        • clanclan on 22/10/2015 - 01:45

          @thelastnoob:

          Religious people follow various dogmas unthinkingly and are taught not to question the unsubstantiated claims of their religious leaders. In contrast, atheists are more likely to have an inquisitive mind, to think for themselves, and to form beliefs based solely on the weight of evidence. A scientific understanding of natural physical and biological phenomena is far more awe-inspiring than a naive belief that God is responsible for everything. How can anyone fail to be impressed by modern cosmology, which explains the formation of galaxies, stars and planets, by Darwinian evolution, which accounts for the amazing diversity and adaptation of life, by modern biology, which explains how cells divide and organisms function, or by quantum mechanics, which governs the structure of the atom? Atheism is also superior in the sphere of morality. It is far more noble for people to do things because they feel that their actions are right than to obey religious rules based on the threat that some invisible vindictive being is watching their every move. Rational people are masters over their own lives, not slaves to serve some non-existent God. Religion is an insult to human dignity.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 01:56

          @clanclan:
          actually when you guys figure out that an unborn baby is a human and stop mutilating and selling their corpses you might have a chance to try to lie about morality. atheists are butchering and mutilating babies even when outside of the womb and breathing
          they are cutting the face open and removing the brains while baby is alive
          poor science poor morality

          abortion is not only an insult to human dignity it is september 11 everyday in usa (body count)
          it kills more yankees and aussies than isis
          its slays the weakest and most vulnerable

          watch the planned parenthood secret videos to see babies sliced and diced for cash dollars
          all of what you quoted above goes out the window in light of baby killing anti science and you can't prove

          Please MAN up and tell me is abortion taking a human life or is it not?
          Will you hide behind other's quotes and talk about virgin mary or noahs ask instead?
          MAN UP AND SPEAK as this is worse than CHILD RAPE and REAL science is on MY SIDE

        • clanclan on 22/10/2015 - 01:59

          @thelastnoob:

          Oh boy,you are all over the place,you actually not making a rational argument .

          Nearly all religions teach their followers to accept their dogmas unquestioningly, and this inhibits free and original thought and innovation. Examples abound throughout history, up to the present day. A good example is provided by the Catholic church. Galileo Galilei, one of the most brilliant scientists of his time, was denounced to the Inquisition and persecuted for the rest of his life because he taught that the Earth revolves around the Sun, which contradicted the church's dogma that the Earth sits immovably at the centre of the universe. Even worse, the great philosopher Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stake for 'heresy'. In modern times, the Catholic church would rather condemn countless women to misery and suffering than allow them to control their own bodies by simple and harmless methods of contraception, and it discourages stem cell research, which might improve or even save the lives of millions of people. In the US, religious fundamentalists have forced many schools to restrict the teaching of evolution and other scientific theories, and instead indoctrinate children with ideas of 'creationism' (nowadays relabelled as 'intelligent design'), thereby killing scientific curiosity and understanding in thousands of young minds and inhibiting future scientific progress. In many backward countries, poorly educated people are brainwashed by religious leaders into believing that a better afterlife awaits them. This spreads defeatism and dampens the struggle for social justice and a better standard of living.

          Conclusion (especially for those stuck in the dreary old rut of religion): there is no God. Stop worrying and enjoy your life!

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 02:00

          @clanclan:
          You made a lot of errors in above post. I will respond later after sleep.
          Please respond to my question regarding abortion. (i made late edit so you must have missed it)
          Goodnight all

        • clanclan on 22/10/2015 - 02:06

          @thelastnoob:

          Please MAN up and tell me is abortion taking a human life or is it not?…..someone somewhere once wrote "bringing a human being to life is worse than murder" so i will tell you that abortion is better than bringing a child in to this world .And no is not taking a life is spearing one .
          And is nobody buisness to judge a woman right to choose .

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 02:12
          +1

          @clanclan:
          Yes once again after waffling above about open thought, killing, social justice and better standard of living you totally avoid answering my question and give me some lame anti science emotional based diversion of an answer.

          This is a joke of so called science and the blood on the hand of the science denier.
          The blood of millions upon millions of babies for your false morality and yolo lifestyle.

          Your response is so brain dead it is actually saying abortion murder of babies is sparing a life. Anti science, deception and lies.
          The danger of anti science is right here.
          You have inverted the truth of science in regards to origin of a individual human and you are proof of brainwashed and cannot face easily provable scientific facts.

          And then you accuse religion of worse crimes. At least I can see where and when both go insane.
          Your faith is blind and unkind.

          Oh anyone who wants to neg me or respond please be intelligent enough to answer my questions directly.
          Willing to debate for money or charity on this and publicly as well
          P.s. I will be quoting you guys for a documentary and book

        • rambokid on 22/10/2015 - 07:21
          +1

          Hey Clanclan and Nosdan, we fellow atheists should meet up and have a drink.

          Ignore the stupid believers. They will believe in invisible friends, we believe in real ones !!

        • KevinFine on 22/10/2015 - 09:07
          +1

          @nosdan:
          "almost anyone knows what happens 9 months before birth"
          The deed happens nine months before birth?

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 10:07

          @KevinFine:
          I was talking about conception which is the start of human life and unique never to be repeated dna. Anyway you lot should take pride that you and your religion of false science loses and refuses to debate with a creationist.

          My challenge stands open to you all who mock the bible and take refuge in your atheism. You should be astounded that you are so easily floored and cannot respond to a creationist in regards to the science behind the origin of individual life.

          I'm still waiting for a direct response to my questions regarding life. So far I have received anti scientific responses from so called science believers. The irony.

        • KevinFine on 22/10/2015 - 12:44

          @thelastnoob:
          You misunderstood my post..it was mere jest :)

          I was a believer in science until the day I was taken from the world (refer my comment below)

          I am now of the world but the world no longer lives in me

          Galatians 2:20

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 12:50

          @KevinFine:
          Ok no worries although there is real science which the creator made and false fairy tale goo to you big bang nonsense

        • delusioned on 22/10/2015 - 14:13

          @thelastnoob:

          I'm interested to know more of your opinion about conception being the start of life.

          What would you consider miscarriages to be?

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 14:15

          @delusioned:
          A miscarriage is a loss of a life. It is a human at a certain stage.
          It is not another species and it is alive.
          Also it has unique dna never to be repeated.
          The difference between miscarriage and abortion is the same as planning to murder and accidentally dying.

          Oh many scientific books will agree with conception being the start of a human life so I am not making this up
          Or resorting to religious arguments at all. I prefer to exclude them when not necessary.

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 14:18

          @thelastnoob: to answer your question of "what happens 9 months before birth"

          here is the harder "read it yourself" version https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertilisation#Mammals

          here is the easier "just watch a quick video" version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFrVmDgh4v4

          or the possibly more suitable "dumbed down" tl;dr version. living swimmy thing swims to alive round eggy thing, they join up and make another but slightly different livvy thing. 9 months later a human is made at the point of live child birth

          tho i know the line of questioning you are trying to take this down…. so ill question your question thusly.

          why does life only begin at conception (as you believe) and why dont you care about the living "swimmy things" (sperm) or the live "eggy things" (unfertilised but alive eggs)? when its well proven that they are just as much alive as a newly fertilised egg is (from initial conception to live birth)?

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 14:26

          @nosdan:

          Very poor tactic please refer to the following links to get a good answer then come back and answer if you know that an abortion takes/terminates a human life. Please stop avoiding this question.

          http://www.abort73.com/abortion/are_sperm_and_egg_cells_aliv…
          http://liveactionnews.org/three-things-abortion-advocates-th…

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 14:33

          @thelastnoob: a human life begins the moment a group of cells stops living off its mothers umbilical cord and begins to function on its own. before that point it is little different to a cancer and i bet you dont run around telling people not to lop skin cancers off "because its a living and growing thing with its own individual DNA etc etc"

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 14:45

          if you know that an abortion takes/terminates a human life

          no, no it does not. an abortion stops a group of cells. until as i said the "human life" stops being a "parasite" it is not a human life.

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 14:48

          and those links… urgh does my head in the pseudo-science within them.

          one example i found interesting tho

          There is a tremendous consensus in the scientific community about when life begins. This is hardly controversial. If the claim were made that life was discovered on another planet, for example, there are well-defined criteria to which we could refer to conclusively determine whether the claim was accurate.

          after a 20 minute google i could find no such criteria. do you know of any (non "anti-choice" movement) links please? this has me curious

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 14:59

          @thelastnoob: and still going through that second link of yours…. its quite good (at disproving you)

          When you’ve gotten to “personhood,” you’re down to brass tacks, as they say. But the honest pro-choicer must admit there is a life before you can begin debating its rights.

          If you’re arguing with someone who says life doesn’t begin at conception, ask him when it does begin. If he says birth, start doing what I call “walking it back.” Say something like, “Okay, so, then the day before birth, the baby’s not alive?”

          Odds are good your friend will admit that, yes, the day before birth the baby is alive. Then ask them whether five days before birth the baby is alive. What about three weeks before? Two months before? And so on. I promise your friend will be hard put to pick a moment at which the baby becomes alive, other than conception.

          so… even by your own crazy link…. you have to agree that the sperm and egg are alive right? they are living cells? they arent dead or conception could not take place? or do you think that "life comes from nothing" (as i think you said lower down, cant be bothered scrolling down to get your exact wording) so "live" does not begin at conception it begins when a sperm and an egg are made in your bodys.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:00

          @nosdan:
          Ok great anti science we have here.

          You are declaring that whatever is inside the womb even at 9 months is NOT HUMAN LIFE????
          You are declaring your life had not begun until then? BIZZARE

          So if i poisoned your mother 10 minutes before you were born I wouldn't have killed you? ( as your human life had not begun)
          How about 1 week before?
          What about babies born prematurely?
          What about before the umbilical cord is slashed?
          If it is not a human why do evil doctors take the HUMAN organs out of the babies?

          What scientific manuals agree with this nonsense and compare a 9 month old unborn baby to a cancer?
          Your skin cells and cancers are not a unique individual person.

          Do you know it's a massive illegal offense to kill a snake or bald eagle egg as people recognize them as life.
          This is a great example of closed mind, brainwashed and religious deception which is easily disproven.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:04

          @thelastnoob:

          NOSDAM - you please have a look at these aborted babies and come back here and declare them to be a group of cells.
          http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/

          If you are being technical you are a group of cells. If i kill you isn't that stopping a group of cells?

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:13

          @thelastnoob:
          You are calling pregnant women hosts for parasites? Shouldn't we poison them?
          If you ever impregnate a woman will you refer to the life as a parasite?
          You admit to being a parasite. This is what hitler and slave traders have used to justify crimes against humanity.
          It starts by DE-HUMANIZING the human life.

          Also if I stab a bowie knife into a 9 months pregnant woman, remove the parasites head then you still declare it as NOT TAKING A HUMAN LIFE and you still whinge about pseudo-science.

          Game over man game over
          ABORTIONS ARE DONE AT 9 MONTHS in your fantasy twlight zone in wonderland anti-science world they are NOT HUMAN LIFE

          'you lose carl miller'

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 15:17

          You are declaring that whatever is inside the womb even at 9 months is NOT HUMAN LIFE????

          exactly. it is a parasitic being. the only way it sustains life is by the nutrient its absorbing from its "host" (in this case the "expectant mother")

          NOSDAM - you please have a look at these aborted babies and come back here and declare them to be a group of cells.

          oh. so as long as it LOOKS like a life it must in fact be a life? here are some more things that look like something so it in fact must be something https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Tussauds

          If you are being technical you are a group of cells.

          i am also a group of molecules, this is correct. as a great philosopher once wrote "all matter is mealy energy condensed to a slow vibration"

          If i kill you isn't that stopping a group of cells?

          that is exactly all it is, but by the standards of law it is also called murder in this country because it is judged as "wrong" to stop a group of cells that is its own "being"… which is why it is not illegal to kill a skin cancer even tho that is a living thing with its own biology and dna etc.

          PS you cant shock me with pics of abortions. ive seen them all before. im making a rational decision based on facts where as it seems you cant divorce your rational away from your emotion.

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 15:19

          This is what hitler and slave traders have used

          and thus invoking godwins law and ending the debate in a loss for you. :)

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:21

          @nosdan:
          No worries this is great conversation and will greatly assist me in future. Do you want your username hidden when I quote you?
          I am happy to do so so please let me know as this is for documentary and book.

          and by the way abortion is ILLEGAL in qld unless the mother is in physical or mental harm.
          and you either do not know or do not care at all.
          So yes legally these aussie women are breaking the law and murdering aussie babies. ISIS REJOICE

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:24

          @nosdan:
          That's a philosophical viewpoint of an individual and also a cheap shot i am aware of.
          Complain to the jews but this godwin nonsense is really a cheap way of trying to censor any and all mention of nazis.
          You will and have lost this debate with your parasite anti-science anti-human distorted views.

          Godwins law is the most desperate 'get out of jail' scam you can pull to declare a win

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 15:31

          this godwin nonsense is really a cheap way of trying to censor any and all mention of nazis.

          no, it simply states that if your argument is so weak that you need to use nazis to strengthen it then your case has little to no merit of its own, which is seen in this whole debate.

          your only basis on your belief is a 3500 year old fiction book, a couple of really dodgy websites which actually go against your argument and "but loooook, it LOOOOOOOOOKS almost like a person so it must be"

          beyond that you have nothing. and you have refused to answer anything ive said in any way at all. just spouted more of your rhetoric.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:40

          @nosdan:
          For you to actually claim I have not responded to you at all not even once is concerning, wrong and deceptive.
          It shows you are blinded to a high degree. Do i have to prove it to you?????

          Please ask me some questions now and I will respons and I do acknowledge I haven't responded to all your questions yet but your claim of me refusing to answer even one is a lie whether you intended to or not.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:43

          @thelastnoob:

          BINGO

          “Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).” (Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.)

          “Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.” (Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765, March 20, 2012.)

          “Although life is a continuous process, fertilization (which, incidentally, is not a ‘moment’) is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte” (Emphasis added; Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Mueller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: John Wiley & Sons, 2000, p. 8).

          If three major scientific sources are not enough for Mr. Science Guy, we’ll be happy to provide several dozen more. If he wants to stand his ground, perhaps he could provide the public with a few equally credible sources claiming that a new living member of the species Homo sapiens comes to be only at implantation. Heck, we’ll settle for a couple — or even just one. But the truth is that Nye won’t be able to produce even one. The authorities all agree because the underlying science is clear.

          Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424721/bill-nye-youtub…

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 15:45

          So if i poisoned your mother 10 minutes before you were born I wouldn't have killed you? ( as your human life had not begun)

          if you had have put a condom on my father 30 seconds before he had sex with my mother that one time you would have also "killed me" (this is where your own "take it back further" argument really kills any argument you have)

          What about babies born prematurely?

          they are seperated from the umbilical and begin to "live" and become then a "live person"

          What about before the umbilical cord is slashed?

          still living off its mother, still not "alive" yet

          If it is not a human why do evil doctors take the HUMAN organs out of the babies?

          "evil doctors" do not. researchers and scientists need to study things to make life better. sometimes that study isnt "pretty". thats just the realities

          What scientific manuals agree with this nonsense and compare a 9 month old unborn baby to a cancer?

          are you trying to say that cancer is not a living thing? or that an unborn baby is not a living thing?

          Your skin cells and cancers are not a unique individual person.

          "person" no, of course not. but they are living things

          Do you know it's a massive illegal offense to kill a snake or bald eagle egg as people recognize them as life.

          wrong again. its because they are a protected species. same as some other animals are protected species in australia, like a possum for example, you can not kill a possum in aus. where as others are not protected species like a cow, which if you own the cow you are freely alowed to not only kill it but eat it afterwards… and they are delicious

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 15:47

          Please ask me some questions now

          here is a good one… let me make this really simple for you… and use your same "take it back" argument… but this time lets "take it forward"… you can extend human life pretty much perpetually by putting people on respirators and dialysis machines etc. how does this fit into your "reality" of what constitutes a human life? are you advocating that once someone "dies" we become "pro life" and should indefinately put them on outside "devices" to stop them from dying?

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:53

          @nosdan:
          By your logic if we are not having sex with as many people all the time we are 'killing'
          Weak and pathetic logic compared to a conception

          Really embarrassing but honest of you to admit a baby is not alive while attached to umbilical cord

          ok so we know you agree cancer and a 9 month old are comparable very silly indeed

          babies are living things and are different to cancer cells

          if babies are dead and non human until they are born and umbilical cord cut then a snake egg is not a snake (im not saying a new egg is a full snake but that destroying the egg should not matter as they are protecting snakes not cells of a dead non snake in a snake or non snake egg)
          same logic but you cannot see it

          your device comment - yes devices keep people alive and for some they can live free from the machine pretty good stuff right?
          Do you want to articulate your question for me?
          Actually birth is natural so is death. Abortion is un natural and kills. Extending life is different but can be useful for some.

          Nosdan are you a high school dropout? Do you have any education at all? Please fill me in. I do not mean these questions as an insult I am curious to how your mind can work this switched off to reality. I acknowledge education may or may not help someone predisposed to self delusion.

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 18:03

          By your logic if we are not having sex with as many people all the time we are 'killing'

          no, that is your logic. i believe its not "a person" until the "group of cells" begins to breath on its own, after birth.

          Really embarrassing but honest of you to admit a baby is not alive while attached to umbilical cord

          no again, i said it was "alive" just like a skin cancer is "alive". its just not yet a "person" until its born.

          ok so we know you agree cancer and a 9 month old are comparable very silly indeed

          which one isnt alive then? if they are both alive they have at least one part that is comparable. its somewhat like comparing apples and oranges… sure they are both different in many ways but they are both still fruit meaning they have at least one similarity. get it now?

          babies are living things and are different to cancer cells

          so are potatoes, whats your point?

          if babies are dead [until they are born]

          no they are not dead. i never said that

          and non human [until they are born]

          never said that either. they are indeed human fetal cells from the moment of conception they are just not a "person" yet

          then a snake egg is not a snake

          correct, it is not a snake it is in fact a snake egg. that is why they call it a snake egg and why you dont go down to the supermarket and buy a "box of a dozen chickens"

          (im not saying a new egg is a full snake but that destroying the egg should not matter as they are protecting snakes not cells of a dead non snake in a snake or non snake egg)

          of course it matters. you also can not give a protected snake a contraceptive under the very same law. the law is nothing to do with at which point it turns from an egg into an animal its about not being able to do ANYTHING to that animal at any stage of its life because ITS A PROTECTED SPECIES. how does that not make sense to you? if that is not simple enough for you let me know and ill see if i can dumb it down even further for you?

          tl;dr protected animal = cant mess with the parents, cant mess with the reproductive activities, cant keep one in a cage. CANT MESS WITH IT AT ANY STAGE.
          non protected animal IE human = can mess with its reproductive functions, can do abortions, can keep them in cages (prison, detention centers) can kill them (assisted suicide, death penalty in some countries) can mess with them at pretty much any stage.

          same logic but you cannot see it

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

          your device comment - yes devices keep people alive and for some they can live free from the machine pretty good stuff right?

          you didnt answer my question. should we as "pro life"ers be putting humans on machines, keeping them alive if they say "die" from drowning. in a case where its been proven (by science) that the brain has stopped functioning and the "person" ceased to exist. in your opinion when does "life end" taking into account that even after death you can keep a person "alive" for years or decades after clinical death.

          Actually birth is natural so is death. Abortion is un natural

          oh, so you are against taking any kind of medication, against removing of cancers? because they are also as "un natural"?

          and kills. Extending life is different but can be useful for some.

          yes but not putting someone on artificial respirators etc after they are clinically dead also "kills"? when, in your opinion, when does life actually end? at what exact moment?

          I am curious to how your mind can work this switched off to reality. I acknowledge education may or may not help someone predisposed to self delusion.

          again, see my link about projection above. it may help you out of your delusion.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 19:43

          @nosdan:

          How about find some scientific literature textbooks that state it is not a human life until umbilical cord is cut post birth.
          I have provided several sources that agree with what I have said. Is this impossible for you to do? Until you can provide some scientific evidence about this you are just making stuff up.

          Abortion is premeditated murder and a willful act. Taking medicine and going onto machines is optional choice. Baby has no choice if butchered, sold and eaten.

  • windsurfer-sp on 22/10/2015 - 00:08
    +7

    This global study bible notes can also be accessed here: http://www.esvbible.org/John+20/

    The notes are really helpful for people who want to understand what the bible is saying. Probably the best free bible study resource there is.

    The notes aren't going to be as helpful for critical academic research, serious theological study or textual criticism.

  • ThatSavingFeeling on 22/10/2015 - 03:03
    +10

    Atheists commonly promote misleading propaganda which goes like this;
    man was originally stupid then gradually became smart, enlightened, arrogant and all knowing.
    the problem is the ancient world is full of so much incredible knowledge and feats of architecture and other evidence that there are a lot of holes in this theory. But they choose to ignore the evidence.

    Then they continue to promote more propaganda like religion was invented by stupid men, which limited science and engaged in wars. On the contrary most of the well known and scientific minds of true and observable and testable science throughout history came from bible believers. They were men of inquiry,with a relentless pursuit of knowledge. True science is observable and testable, any part of evolution that claims to be fact but isn't either of those, is not scientific, it is faith based. Which is fine if you want to believe that but don't claim its science, its the opposite.

    If you believe a Christian cannot have a mind of inquiry, how do you explain Isaac Newton or even Einstein who believed in God, or the many other famous scientists who built the bedrock of so many modern fields.

    And regarding religion being responsible for most wars, that's false. The no.1 killer of men in the 20th century was government. When religion is used to start wars, this is done so by perverting the words of the bible as Jesus himself sacrificed himself and was an absolute pacifistic. No christian can start a war in the name of the bible, only a non christian could do so, under a false pretense for political purposes. The inquisition and other murderous groups did not follow the bible but their own evil ways.

    • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 12:49
      -1

      "No christian can start a war in the name of the bible, only a non christian could do so, under a false pretense for political purposes. The inquisition and other murderous groups did not follow the bible but their own evil ways."

      So no christian ever does anything bad because if they do something bad they weren't really a christian after all.

      Nice loop hole.

      And you might want to study up a bit on Einstein and Newton.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton#Religious_views
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Albert_Eins…

      • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 13:00

        Christians can and do commit all sorts of crimes at various times as humans and sinners.
        The point is that a religious group or gang that actively goes around butchering people are actively against the teachings of Jesus and therefore cannot be considered Christians. Same as a vegan who eats meat and a priest who doesn't believe in God. (which does happen)

        The bible itself explains this very clearly and also says many who claim to be christian are not.
        Comes back to this - is someone a Christian because they claim so or believe so
        No loophole required

        • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 13:07

          So a christan who sins can still be a christian, but a group of christians who sin are no longer christian?

          Or is the sin itself? For some sins you stay christian, and for others your christianity is revoked?

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 13:15

          @KentT:
          The bible teaches all mankind are sinners and even amplifies the Christan sin as we have revelation regarding sins.
          It is impossible NOT to sin regardless. There is a difference between people who commit mass murder and other sins.
          Jesus saves the sinner and it is a permanent status.
          I have observed those who thought they were christian for years only to turn away so they never really had a true faith.

          The group I refer to are maniac killers. The roman catholic church is NOT christian. They executed so many Christians and also burnt people who were trying to translate the bible to English language. I was catholic for 18 years and this is historical information. Also the catholic church removed one of the 10 commandments and according to the bible is an anti christian cult.

          A 'christian' serial killer/rapist would not be a christian. People claim Hitler to be christian but the evidence is against that.
          Lots of musicians and Hollywood stars also falsely claim to be christian.

        • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 13:23

          @thelastnoob:
          So
          * mass murder - usually 3 or more people.
          * maniacal killing -
          * serial killing / raping
          Excludes you from being christian.

          A one-off rape here and there, maybe a killing as long as it wasn't too crazy… still in the club.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 13:27

          @KentT:
          I mentioned mass killing due to the discussion of the Inquisition and your mention of 'murderous groups'.
          There would be serious doubts for anyone who rapes/kills and their Christianity. (even one offs)

          Killing and rape aside I am prone to sin and will ever be.
          Looking at a woman with lust, being hateful and lying can and are common sins.

        • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 13:33

          @thelastnoob:
          And if other christians judge your sins to be unacceptable are you out - or are you still a christian because you still consider yourself one?

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 13:39
          +1

          @KentT:
          Christianity is filled with many cults and beliefs. The only way to determine truth and error according to Christianity is through the bible not opinion or cult creeds or public sentiment. Example is that many churches are saying homosexual lifestyle is not sinful when the bible declares it and also sex outside of marriage sinful.

          I have been removed from churches and cults for asking questions. I also have a lifetime ban from Scientology as I admitted to using lsd in the past. True saving faith is a personal relationship with God and is NOT dependent on church membership or acceptance with other so called or even real christians.

          Edit: Your questions are good and comments from this page demonstrate a fundamental lack of facts concerning Christianity, creation, abortion, science and history. There is usually one side being put out there and often repeated common misrepresentations. It is rare for the average person to be told crucial things about the above subjects.

          Do you really believe that before there was time and space a small dot appeared from nowhere and nothing and then exploded forming the universe.
          Then hydrogen and pond slime from rocks transformed into all life on earth? So basically do you believe we came from a rock?
          Do you believe this is proven science and or testable science?

        • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 14:06

          @thelastnoob:
          The bible does declare homosexuality as sinful.
          Poly-cotton blend shirts - also sinful.
          Prawns on the barbie - also sinful.

          Trying out for Scientology definitely seems to be sinful. Like super sinful. Of the christian top ten sins list, that would go against number ONE.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 14:08

          @KentT:
          This discussion has just devolved. Reminds me of primary school.
          Anyway I was investigating a dangerous cult NOT joining them.
          You really should look at my last edit above and answer that question.
          Or would you like to discuss homosexuality first?

        • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 14:21

          @thelastnoob:

          Do you really believe that before there was time and space a small dot appeared from nowhere and nothing and then exploded forming the universe.
          Big bang - yup. Tons of supporting evidence - expanding universe is a dead give-away.

          What you call "Nowhere" is accurate in the sense that pre-universe there can be no "where" as there's no frame of reference. Same as "Before" has no meaning without time.

          What you call "Nothing" would be more accurately described as initial singularity of "Everything".

          Then hydrogen and pond slime from rocks transformed into all life on earth? So basically do you believe we came from a rock?

          Abiogenesis from primordial ooze - yup. They used to think there was something magic about the building blocks of life. Until they synthesised some of it.

          Do you believe this is proven science and or testable science?

          Absolutely.

        • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 14:26
          +1

          @thelastnoob:
          I'm just saying the bible declares TONS of things sinful. Some things obvious, some things ridiculous, lots of things inbetween.

          Pick-and-choose christians always have a reason why certain sins are everlasting while others are outdated or just metaphorical.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 14:41

          @KentT:

          Expanding universe is not testable evidence for big bang.
          Abiogenesis from non-life never proven or tested.
          Please point this out for me.

          Pick and choose - do you have examples of what frustrates you the most

        • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 15:11
          +1

          @thelastnoob:

          Expanding universe is not testable evidence for big bang.

          When you see something moving north, you deduce it came from the south. Basically, if you look at all the things in the universe, they're all moving away from the same spot out in every direction.

          Rational deduction: That's the starting point.
          Irrational deduction: It's turtles all the way down.

          This one's nifty.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

          Abiogenesis from non-life never proven or tested.

          Nope, not yet. Getting closer though, and it started here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%B6hler_synthesis

          Pick and choose - do you have examples of what frustrates you the most

          It's just the hypocrisy in general. Here's one:

          The bible says homosexuality intercourse an "abomination".
          The bible calls eating shrimp an "abomination".

          In neither case does another person committing the sin impact your life at all, but one of them is abhorrent and one is not. Why?

          If this is the word on an omnipotent divinity willing and able to condemn you to an eternity is unimaginable suffering… shouldn't you follow all the rules?

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:16

          @KentT:
          It's not sin that sends to hell its rejection of the work of Jesus Christ to pay for your sins as such.

          This will explain shrimps
          http://www.gotquestions.org/God-hates-shrimp.html

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 15:26

          @KentT:
          Cute cartoon but

          Galatians 6:7King James Version (KJV)

          7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

          Also who really believes Osama was killed that way at that place at that time.
          ZERO EVIDENCE

        • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 16:31

          @thelastnoob:

          ZERO EVIDENCE

          Considering your viewpoints, perhaps that's not an argument you want to bring up.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 16:36
          +1

          @KentT:
          The official story is like this

          I found the yeti and filmed the whole event but you cannot ever see it since it contains some gore (how about a couple of frames before his head exploded or any bullet entered)
          I killed the yeti and I dumped his body in the middle of nowhere according to his religion (lies) but
          I have a print out with some text on it saying the words DNA MATCH so it must be LEGIT as you cannot fake a printed out piece of paper with a few words

          This is why people should remain skeptical like when peter garrett changed a big wad of cash into a cheque LIES

          And what do you mean specifically by 'considering your viewpoints'
          This shows my higher standard of evidence than the regular atheist who does BAD science

        • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 16:40
          +1

          @thelastnoob:

          it must be LEGIT as you cannot fake a printed out piece of paper with a few words"

          Does that apply to the bible as well?

          And what do you mean specifically by 'considering your viewpoints'
          This shows my higher standard of evidence than the regular atheist who does BAD science

          You know.. considering there's no evidence at all for God?

          Again.. "remain skeptical" is another phrase you shouldn't use.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 16:47
          -1

          @KentT:
          Someone printing out a resume or dna test is different than authoring the bible
          You readily admit to things that are not proven but speculated and theorized.
          DNA is the most complex code ever known and information does not come from nowhere or nothing and this can be shown to be correct.
          Science proves life can only come from life.
          Bible has prophecies and everything combined is evidence for God rather than saying NO EVIDENCE.

          You have faith in unproven sciences.
          Tell me do you believe abortion takes/terminates a human life?

        • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 17:12
          +1

          @thelastnoob:
          Outside of pure mathematics, science is never proven, only disproven if found to be incorrect.

          You just don't know what theory means.

          Science proves life can only come from life.

          Does it now? You might have to provide a cite for that. It's not actually how science works.

          Bible has prophecies and everything combined is evidence for God rather than saying NO EVIDENCE.

          Having prophecies is all well and good - but they actually have to come true before you should pay attention.

          And vague half-right doesn't really cut it. Tom Clancy didn't prophesy 9/11 when he wrote about terrorists using a passenger plane as a weapon. John Edward doesn't really talk to the dead even if he couldn't possibly have known your late auntie's name started with a J.

          Tell me do you believe abortion takes/terminates a human life?

          Terminates human life? Of course. Cutting out cancer alsoterminates human life.

          Terminating -A- human life? It depends on the time.

          Aborting a single fertilised cell - No.
          Aborting a foetus at nine months just as it's crowning - Yes.

          There's a reason there are legal time restrictions on this sort of thing.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 17:21
          -2

          @KentT:
          No time limit on partial birth abortion in Victoria.
          The science books I quoted earlier state the human life begins at conception can you quote any science books to the contrary?
          If not you should know you are making stuff up.
          You don't seem to be able to try to define when human life begins. Please be more specific otherwise you might murder your own child or advise someone to. That is why its is vital to answer.
          Nice to know you atheists see unborn the same as cancer cells.
          When I quote you do you want me to leave you unnamed?

          there is some scientific thing or law that says life comes from life.

          Bible prophecy concerning Jewish people being dispersed all over the world and then returning is VERY SPECIFIC and occured over 2000 years of prophecy. That's one example.

        • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 17:44
          +1

          @thelastnoob:

          "human life begins at conception"
          Yup, that is the time when a cell is a new life.

          You fail to understand the difference between "human life" and "a human life". Most human cells are "human life".

          I don't consider a single-cell organism a person.

          No time limit on partial birth abortion in Victoria.

          Well that certainly sounds like a lie.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_Law_Reform_Act_2008_%…

          "there is some scientific thing or law that says life comes from life."

          Well. Can't argue with the rigorous peer-review there.

          Except Adam wasn't alive then, was he?

          And Eve started as a rib from not-alive Adam.. so she's not alive.

          So… iterating down through decendants.. no one in the world is, has been, or will ever be alive.

          Bible prophecy concerning Jewish people being dispersed all over the world and then returning is VERY SPECIFIC and occured over 2000 years of prophecy. That's one example.

          That's your specificity?

          "Jews will be dispersed for a while. And then some of them will go back at some undisclosed time."

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 17:56
          -2

          @KentT:
          At conception it is the beginning of a unique human individual. If your wife gets pregnant and I poison her each time you may get upset and may not say I am just removing cells/parasites like cancer.
          Upon your conception it was actually you that was there and you that was alive.

          I am not lying partial birth abortion was NOT removed and
          The Abortion Law Reform Act allows abortions for any reason up to 24 weeks at the request of the mother, and after 24 weeks if any two doctors 'agree' it is "appropriate in all the circumstances".

          All observations have shown that life comes only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called the law of biogenesis.

          God breathed life into Adam and Eve.
          Yes the bible mentions miracles and divine intervention so there is a difference.

          The jewish dispersal and the amazing way they returned to the land and defended it is a big story and I left out many details.

          http://www.evidenceunseen.com/articles/prophecy/the-regather…
          http://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-jews-in-prophecy/
          http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/7-wonders-of-jewi…
          http://www.therefinersfire.org/jews_return_to_israel.htm

          666 is on virtually all barcodes
          resurgence of homosexuality
          famine and wars
          many false cults and prophets
          200million man army from east spoken about when population was 500million

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 18:17

          @thelastnoob: you see, again you are contradicting yourself.

          At conception it is the beginning of a unique human individual.

          no, DNA contained in the sperm and egg are the beginning. each and every sperm/egg combinations are individual. the evidence to prove this is contained in sets of twins. some twins can be identical. they come from the same single sperm and egg that divides "funny" early on making 2 separate "individuals" where as non identical twins are 2 individual sperm fertilising 2 separate eggs. by your logic, with twins only one twin is the "living" twin because the life began at conception and in identical twins at conception there is only one "life" (single celled at this point).

          how does your "theory" hold up against https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_twin ? what about where the parasitic twin is killing its conjoined twin? should you or shouldnt you remove the parasitic twin? because by your standards both "humans" are "alive"

          once you begin looking into your theory it simply falls apart with so many holes.

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 18:26
          +1

          oh, and finally here is the undeniable proof that you are in fact suffering a schizophrenic disorder.

          666 is on virtually all barcodes

          its a classic case of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

          google "barcodes" and tell me how frequent "666" is on barcodes? in fact i just went and looked at over a dozen different products i have on hand with barcodes on them and not only was there not a single "666" in the codes but most had no more than a single 6 and several had no 6 in them at all (tho that would have been pretty cool if it had any substance to it)

          you are mentally ill. please seek help. this is seriously not an insult. i have a friend who also suffers when he isnt on his meds and its very unhealthy. mental health is no joke.

        • KentT on 22/10/2015 - 18:38
          +1

          @thelastnoob:

          At conception it is the beginning of a unique human individual. If your wife gets pregnant and I poison her each time you may get upset and may not say I am just removing cells/parasites like cancer.

          If you poison my wife, there's a chance I would get upset regardless of whether she's pregnant or not.

          Upon your conception it was actually you that was there and you that was alive.

          For monozygotic twins, which one was alive at conception when there was only one cell and it was ONE new life? Will they grow up to be half-men? Do they get a time-share in the afterlife?

          I am not lying partial birth abortion was NOT removed

          Uh huh. And you do know the circumstances where late term abortions are performed, right? But I guess you're one of those people who want every brain-dead foetus be carried to term even if would kill the mother.

          All observations have shown that life comes only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called the law of biogenesis.

          Except for when Jesus does it.

          Just because it has so far not been done, doesn't mean it's technologically impossible. There is no science supporting some sort of "life force". Fundamentally it is just atoms same as any other.

          Yes the bible mentions miracles and divine intervention so there is a difference.

          And words on a page can not be faked, as you pointed out with your 9/11 conspiracy theories.

          666 is on virtually all barcodes

          Wow.

          resurgence of homosexuality

          I hereby prophesy:

          As there are now gays, I predict in the future there will be gays. I also predict that in a world where religious extremists are not wont to kill gays on sight, there will be more people openly homosexual.

          famine and wars

          I hereby prophesy:

          There will be war somewhere sometime. I'll go out on a limb and say "in the middle east".
          After which there will be peace for a bit.

          Also, somewhere sometime people will go hungry.

          many false cults and prophets

          I hereby prophesy:

          Since people have inconsistent myths, they can't all be true - therefore I foresee that they will not all be true.

          200million man army from east spoken about when population was 500million

          Which army was that? 200 million.. you'd think it would make the news or something.

        • thelastnoob on 22/10/2015 - 21:11
          -1

          @KentT:
          A lot more to it including the return of the Jews.
          Gays have been around for a long time but the flood of it is amazing. Almost every tv show has gay stuff. If gay is small percent of population why is there over representation of it.
          The bible says as the days of sodom
          The army is from the east in the future
          The bible population was small back then
          Bible knew day and night was same time in the world
          Science didn't
          The signs of the times are quite accurate in this time frame after formation of Israel
          You won't find so much unity in prophecy at such an old age manuscript
          It's second to none for sure
          Heaps and heaps of cults have claimed to be Christ
          How did the bible know Israel would be main point of contention worldwide 2000 years ago
          If you do in depth study it gets more amazing the detail and unity of it all
          Your waffling comes far behind

        • NosDan on 22/10/2015 - 21:24
          +1

          Gays have been around for a long time but the flood of it is amazing.

          its actually not… in fact the romans were very openly bi. it was only in the "bible" times that it became less prevalent… mostly caus they used to kill homosexuals……

          your understanding of reality is really lacking. i hope you can get some help. as i have already offered in the lengthy PM conversation we have had over the last couple of days i am happy to try and give you help. you dont even need to call me god or jesus

        • ninetyNineCents on 23/10/2015 - 01:52

          @thelastnoob:

          You might want to check what the original number of the beast was.., guess what it wasn't 666…. It was 616…

          Only idiots believe any number has some power…it shows what a joke the preservation of the bible is…

        • KentT on 23/10/2015 - 13:35
          +1

          @thelastnoob:

          Gays have been around for a long time but the flood of it is amazing. Almost every tv show has gay stuff. If gay is small percent of population why is there over representation of it.

          It's more visible now because religious folk can't go around lynching the filthy sinners anymore. It's over represented on TV because it's different and interesting. 20 years ago, there were no major gay characters on TV.

          Looking at TV shows and expecting it to reflect a perfect mirror image of society is a tad naive. Do you think half the population go around solving one murder per week?

          The army is from the east in the future

          So you want to give the bible credit for predicting something that didn't actually happen. Excellent.

          Heaps and heaps of cults have claimed to be Christ

          Yup, one of them has billions of followers these days.

          How did the bible know Israel would be main point of contention worldwide 2000 years ago

          That's the little part of the world they knew, of course they would think it was important.
          A local flood is worldwide, a 40 year desert trek turns out to be a 6 hour drive.

          I'd bet every ancient culture in the world with old prophecies place themselves at the centre of importance.

          If you do in depth study it gets more amazing the detail and unity of it all
          Your waffling comes far behind

          Uh huh.

        • thelastnoob on 23/10/2015 - 13:51

          @KentT:
          99c you really believe all those lying footnotes and altered translations from egypt heretical cults
          That's one of the main reasons you have your beliefs
          if it is 616 why does Jesus add up to 888
          You should look into Ivan Panin's work or download the free ebook 'The Seal of God'

          KenT
          Homosexual lifestyle promotion celebration has done an about face with it becoming a major major thing
          I would be annoyed to have a token bible man, buddhist, racist, nazi etc in almost every tv show
          If all groups that were such a small minority are hyper ultra overrepresented it is abnormal
          Some Gay folk are getting super vindictive and things are getting ugly with some of the rampant and militant actions
          I seen the little kids dancing at the gay festival and it was paedophiles paradise and the gays loved it
          Many Many Many Many Many gay men were raped as children why is this not explored
          Many many many gay men has been involved in incest and at a young age
          Gay lifestyle has higest rate of std transfer, higher rates of suicide, depression drug abuse and promiscuous
          How Gay is all those facts?
          If they are born gay then what of the paedophiles? They will and they have claimed the same.

          Some of the prophecy is the future attack on Israel etc
          I cant really explain it all on some bargain website
          Can you find a superior book to the bible for its age, science, prophecy and morality
          I mean New Covenant as I am not a jewish man in the ancient world and Jesus has given us new commandments
          With atheist doctrine there is no good or evil and no right or wrong aside from what the individual and culture decides at the time

          @nosdan
          the gay revival is exactly that. i know about the greeks and the pedophiles from the past. atheist beliefs cannot condemn child sex because we are all animals that have no purpose and are here by accident. the internet is helping people with becoming gay and abusing children with the access to all the filth the same way it helps young fools become radicalized.

        • KentT on 23/10/2015 - 14:15

          @thelastnoob:

          Gay lifestyle has higest rate of std transfer, higher rates of suicide,

          Suicide rate:
          Fanatical bullies can drive people to kill themselves. Shocker.

          STDs:
          Gay men are less likely to use condoms because no one can get pregnant.

          You know what group has the LOWEST rate of STDs? Gay women. Much lower than heterosexual men and women.

          Does that make lesbians god's new chosen people?

          Can you find a superior book to the bible for its age, science, prophecy and morality

          Expecting to find every answer to every question on every topic in one single book is horrifyingly lazy.

          I mean New Covenant as I am not a jewish man in the ancient world and Jesus has given us new commandments

          Huh. All your homophobia seems to be more old testament. It's almost as if you're picking out just the parts you like.

          With atheist doctrine there is no good or evil and no right or wrong aside from what the individual and culture decides at the time

          Atheist doctrine doesn't exist. All atheism says is that gods are make-believe. That's it. No rules, no code.

      • ThatSavingFeeling on 22/10/2015 - 19:43
        +1

        hi KentT,
        if i claim to be a Ghandi follower (Ghandi-ist) and drop a bomb on my enemies, am I actually a Ghandist?

        If I claim to be an environmentalist and decide to poison a lake, decapitate a turtle, after capturing it with a mile long dragnet after killing some dolphins and dumping my garbage into the local waterways, am I an environmentalist?

        Now please answer me how can a person who claims to be a Christian that kills his enemies to serve his own political agenda, thereby doing the opposite of the very thing they claim to believe, actually be a Christian?

        Where is the loop hole here?

        Please answer me this, when hitler, stalin and other mass genocidal maniacs who believed in evolution, murdered people, whereabouts in the book of evolution does it say what they did was wrong? Based on what moral compass and guideline did they violate their own moral integrity and belief system? Explain how according to their own beliefs what they did was a violation of their own morality.

        Now lets see what loop holes you need to create…

        Bless you :)

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