$1232 from Lenovo Australian version shown here has the XEON E3-1226V3
Intel Xeon E3-1226 v3 vs E3-1225 v3 Not much of a difference LOOK HERE
1 Processor Support - 4 GB Standard/32 GB Maximum RAM - 500 GB HDD - Serial ATA/600 RAID Supported Controller - Gigabit Ethernet - RAID Level: 0, 1, 1+0, 5 - 280 W
Key Features
Server
Gigabit LAN
no OS
Monitor : none.
TopSeller
tower
5U
1-way
1 x Xeon E3-1225V3 / 3.2 GHz
RAM 4 GB
HDD 1 x 500 GB
DVD
HD Graphics P4600
"280W, autosensing, 85% PSU"
According to AU specs. Not sure if autosensing is the voltage, or if they'll use the same psu overseas.
Worst case scenario is you fork out $100 for a reliable psu
Yeah, a few sources say auto sensing.
Good deaal, can even be used as desktop pc. CPU on par with i7.
I got two months ago from the same supplier and it was the i3 model.
No problem with PSU at all.
So it SHOULD work! :-)
It wouldn't compute that a huge OEM like Lenovo wouldn't standardise as much as possible to cut down on production costs; thus making the one PSU work for multiple markets.
Most OEM workstations/servers (this is really a rack-mountable workstation) are shipped worldwide with the same hardware. The differences in regionalisation are usually purchasing strategy/language/warranty-compliance/OH&S related and obviously a different power cable.
Given everything else would be identical internally, I can't imagine they're going to the effort of making differing configs with differing PSUs for differing regions. It's not how they operate.
Doesn't the US version have the processor on the opposite side of the motherboard ???
So long as there is a processor I don't care which side is it on.
and the water whirls down the (heat)sink in the opposite direction too in the other hemisphere
"But where's the CPU??"
Do you mean their CPU is on top side because we are down-under, or do you mean CPU is on the left hand side <shock, horror!>
<@jv, it seems some people here neg you for personal reason, regardless what you say ;-)>
it seems some people here neg you for personal reason
Unfortunately OzBargain isn't immune to the social media bullies. They only do it because they are anonymous. Usually they are those people with inferiority complexes.
but some people say some really bizarre things that have no basis and use ozbargain as some sort of social venting forum which is NOT what ozbargain is for. And also troll other peoples posts saying this or that is no bargain when they cant bring up a reasonable alternative, and base it on their personal opinion of what should and shouldnt be a bargain.
@nairdajun:
I believe voting should be based on the comment not on the person (iow. on what is said not who said it).
And also troll other peoples posts saying this or that is no bargain when they cant bring up a reasonable alternative
Trolls are those who just comment and criticise other people and not the deal. Everybody here has the right to comment on deals, whether they agree with them or not…
It is up to the OP to demonstrate why this is a bargain, not the commenters… Read the deal posting rules. If deals without any evidence of being a bargain are not scrutinised and challenged, Ozbargain would just be full of rubbish posts…
One of the reasons you'd get this kind of system would be for the warranty. But with this one:
International Orders are not eligible for return.
The eBay seller won't deal with international purchases for warranty. But this Thinkserver might still have international warranty service by Lenovo themselves.
It's possible. But I'd think the Server lines would be the least likely to include an international warranty.
But this Thinkserver might still have international warranty service by Lenovo themselves.
The way Enterprise OEM warranty SLAs work in today's IT industry; every big player will cover any claim on any hardware in any part of the world, so long as you are the original end-user and have proof of purchase and that hardware is actually available for sale in the region you reside in. Internationally-binding warranties have been SOP for enterprise gear like workstations, servers, networking, storage, etc for years now.
It's not like buying a graphics card from Amazon. As long as your S/N is valid and it's still under warranty, OEMs can't get out of providing some level of support (consumer law here would also mandate that) but they may impose fees or restrictions if you're not in the original region the product was purchased in.
But I'd think the Server lines would be the least likely to include an international warranty.
Given the statements here about the IWS and this ThinkServer brochure that states all ThinkServers come with a 1-3 year standard warranty, I think you are bound to get some level of cover.
The tricky thing is, you're buying it from the US, where they have a 1-year on-site warranty as standard but the AU website states a 3-year, on-site warranty as standard.
But, my experience with many enterprise warranty claims in the past tells me, as long as the ThinkServer range isn't explicitly excluded from IWS coverage (which I can find no mention of), they likely will extend you the generosity of a fully-fledged local warranty, even if your ThinkServer came from the US.
At the end of the day, most of the OEM gear we use here comes from Singapore/SEA/US anyway; you're just cutting out the middleman this way.
I looked at the IWS stuff a fair bit myself before making my post.
I couldnt' find any mention of exclusion. But then I couldn't really find any reference to anything being excluded. Everything seemed to be deliberately vague, even when you put the series and machine numbers into the IWS support page.
@tantryl: It is very vague, which I why I prefer HP for instance, who tell you exactly what the T&Cs/SLAs are for each product warranty, right in their brochures and spec sheets. None of this "please write to us so you can jump through arbitrary hoops" to find out basic consumer information.
But on the other hand, the homogeneity of the major OEMs dictates that if HP, Dell, Cisco, Super Micro et al. all have the same policy for international Enterprise warranties, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Lenovo are going to treat international warranties the same way. It would be a major disadvantage if they didn't and there's no reason why a company as globalised as Lenovo can't. I just don't deal with Lenovo stuff so I can't confirm it first-hand.
@Amar89: My rule with any purchase, especially IT purchases, is that if it isn't expressly stated as included then don't rely on it.
If I were in the market for a machine like this I would absolutely get written/email confirmation from Lenovo that IWS applied before buying.
It's entirely possible it's covered under IWS. Maybe even likely. But I'd never assume it.
@tantryl: Well yeah, that's a given. But you shouldn't have to. I certainly can't remember ever having to ask a reseller/partner how my product is covered (unless I extended a warranty; sometimes those options are not covered in detail), but then again I've never dealt with Lenovo. Unfortunately Lenovo demand an S/N before they'll give warranty status on their website.
There's two points on this article that seem to totally contradict each other:
- Certain countries may not have the capability of servicing ALL models of a particular machine type.
- In cases where the country may not have the ability to service a particular model, service may be provided on a “best effort” basis and some fees may apply.
And…
- Warranty Extensions and Upgrades (i..e Onsite) are the only Lenovo Services that are eligible for International Warranty Service
The best effort remark seems to imply some coverage is to be expected in almost any case (as Best Effort support can be had even for out-of-warranty hardware) but then the following point implies IWS is only a benefit of upgraded warranties. The article also mentions IWS being applicable to "eligible Lenovo Think systems" which again is meaningless; does that mean virtually everything with "Think" in it (except All-in-Ones, phones, tablets and other mobile devices) or a more specific sub-set of "Think" gear?
All I've learned conclusively is that Lenovo don't think, ironically. It's like they're afraid of a claim avalanche they may provoke.
Good price, this is cheaper than building your own Xeon system.
Would this be good for Plex etc???
Sounds like it to me. The Xeon is a pretty beefy CPU. Just install Ubuntu on the included hard drive, Plex media server, and you're set. Drive away no more to pay.
edit: although you might want to buy some more internal HDDs to store all your files, though. 500gb might fill up a bit quickly, depending on how much you have and what quality you want.
I already have a NAS its for for the power to be able to serve 4 clients at once, Thanks for the Advice.
CPU will be way more beefy than any NAS I have heard of. (as above)
RAM is the only concern and ECC is a little harder to make sure you buy the right thing and also a bit more expensive. If you are going Windows I expect you will want more RAM to serve your 4 clients.
I'm also in need of a Plex system/NAS, before I start researching have you decided if this box is worthwhile?
I won't need 4 clients at once, only 2 max.
Please check the feedback before you buy, it seems like this is dodgy seller, many feedback said this is fraud seller.
128k sales with 98.6% positive, unlikely they're a fraud seller.
You would be surprised. I have experienced dodgy sellers with 98.x% ratings. Personally, I would not buy from sellers with less than 99%. But having said that, it also depends on where the seller is from.
you'll be surprised how many sellers kept good positive feedbacks and just ruined by some stupid buyer that doesn't read or simply leave negative feedbacks for no reason…
A seller like this with such positive reviews can be dodgy. One thing to check for would be the recent reviews being much lower. But it looks to me like there are bad reviews simply because of the volume of sales.
server. But whatever.
A server is a computer …
Care to provide more details?
Not trying to be a dick, I'm genuinely interested to know.
The Xeon processor is already hovering around $300 here. TS140 motherboard supports ECC RAM and has Intel NIC. Although the PSU is a mere 280w, it's 80+ bronze.
EDIT: I didn't neg you.
I did neg him.
It's OK to neg people who are blatantly wrong and misinforming people.
I didn't give this deal a pos for warranty reasons. But if you ignore that the price is unbeatably good.
Every thing you need to know about Thinkserver TS140 in this PDF. Complete system specs.
Cable management in that document (p2) is such a mess!
Is it good enough for gaming if install a better gpu?
it is a server!
Can it serve games?
The pdf only lists Quadro gpus, so no guarantee on the motherboard liking your new gpu. Also the power supply is very low wattage for a gaming computer. And needs a bit more RAM, too.
Thanks mate
so cheap…. thinking to get one :)
Can this be used as a PC?
you could but it's not really meant to be just a pc.. its big, likely to be quite noisy,and use quite a bit of power with that xeon cpu.. these are designed to be running 24/7 and handle lots of clients, run stacks of drives and run windows server. you could use it as a pc but it would be like buying an armoured tank to go to the supermarket
These are rated for 26 decibels by Lenovo so no, it is actually not that loud. Pretty quiet in fact.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859106…
man, no one here outside of scrimshaw knows how to read or what they're talking about
one of my PCs has a Xeon 1226v3… ITS JUST A REBADGED i5-4590 with server type features like ECC
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E3-1226-v3-vs-Intel-Core-…
its 84w and uses about the same power as your avg. desktop… hell I have 2 x i7 boxes that use like twice the power, the 280w PSU tells you it aint drawing much
26dB is actually lower than urban ambient noise
the fact this server can run 24/7 tells you all you need to know about reliability
also it looks like it only has 4 sata ports, 4 hdd bays which isnt typical of consumer boards, most asus, gigabytes etc have at least 6 sata ports
its a great machine… pop in a $300 gpu and an extra 4Gb mem and an SSD and it'll wipe the floor with just about anything you can buy in the shops for the same price, hell my xeon, mobo and ram alone cost more than this PC
the only worry i think is the memory, the Tawbook says ECC only but that ebay vendor says plain DDR3 is ok, not a big deal, ECC isnt that expensive now anyway
@tonyjzx: What the heck is your point?
the fact this server can run 24/7 tells you all you need to know about reliability
That's nothing to write home about for Enterprise hardware. Plenty of generic white boxes out there have run for a combined decade or longer and plenty of Servers/Workstations have conked out the day their warranties gave out too.
That gimmick tells us nothing other than that Lenovo is still paying their marketing people.
the 280w PSU tells you it aint drawing much
also it looks like it only has 4 sata ports, 4 hdd bays
most asus, gigabytes etc have at least 6 sata ports
You just listed 3 major cons with this for ordinary consumer use, along with the funky, proprietary Lenovo mobo and RAID controller that may be a finicky b*tch about what RAM/GPU/Storage/Drivers you run it with as I've experienced in the past with OEM mobos, along with the PSU's fixed amount of power cables for SATA/PCI devices and the overall anti-modding bias of an OEM case that is not designed to accommodate anything other than approved hardware (the dimensions would be too small to get full-length GPUs in there, there's one 5.25" bay and 4 x 3.5" bays are only optional, it's butt-ugly, limited amount of ports, aftermarket cooling would be a problem, forget about multi-GPU, etc…).
Considering the money you need to invest to turn this into a decent, consumer-grade family PC/gaming rig/media box/NAS, you could do a lot better for the combined $800-900 dollars you're talking about to turn this into something more appropriate for a non-Enterprise user.
It's a good deal for the right buyer. Simple as that. Trying to turn it into something else other than what it's intended for defeats the point.
I'm interested in what you're saying, and don't know much about Xeon series. To what desktop equivalent qould that equate to? I plan on making a gaming machine, and understand I'd have to remove the PSU, add RAM and an SSD, as well as plop a GTX970 in there… But would you actually be able to build an equivalent model for ~800 to ~900?
if you dont know what you're buying dont buy it
but apparently for some people they want it to run 25/8 days a week? hmmm…
talk about giving 110%
This gaming bundle from pccasegear…
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&c…
is a good option to buy if you dont need the built in GPU capabilities that the i5 can do.
Comes with Xeon E3 1231 which standard clock is comparable to the entry level i7 4790.
Spend another $400 on a 970, buy a decent power supply and you have a pretty decent gaming machine.
Granted its going to cost you more than $900, but i think the combined system will be a much better option than buying this thinkserver, and then trying to turn it into something its not. Besides if you factor in new PSU, gtx970 and adding 1 more stick of ECC on the thinkserver, this bundle option isnt all that much more.
tempted by this..
Very tempted by this to make it into a gaming PC… but would it support consumer GPUs? It states it has PCIe 3.0, which should mean it's compatible…
This appears like a really really good deal for anyone wanting a cost effective and decent server- add a few gb of ECC memory to beef it up a notch, install a nice linux distro and you're set.
I did however notice the bit that states:
Shipping to: United States
Excludes: Alaska/Hawaii, APO/FPO, US Protectorates, PO Box.
Makes me think that they would not ship to Australia, and even if ebay shows a fee for shipping, I have a feeling they will cancel orders placed due to a 'human error' because someone forgot to, or doesn't know how to exclude non US addresses as allowable shipping.
Posting to: United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Denmark, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Finland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Estonia, Australia, Greece,
but it clearly says it right there… hell they even ship to Greece… can they even pay?
I heard that Greece is switching to eneloops as the currency next week.
And I heard that Dick Smith is opening a lot of shops in Greece next week.
@ms: They just need to translate their website to Greek. Shouldn't be difficult, some of the specs already look like Greek to me.
Is it? It seems way, way too overpowered for someone who wants a media server … and well, I'm sure people have uses for this but the only use I can think of other than a media server is co-locating it because I don't have the internet network for it to be a cheap SEO tools machine.
Wouldn't the 280W PSU seriously limit options for graphics cards?
Servers don't need graphics cards, so it makes sense for the manufacturer to supply a PSU that doesn't need to run that high to cut down on cost, reduce heat, prolonging lifespan and as well as making the PSU run more efficiently when the power consumption is not that high.
If you want to use this machine as-is… as a regular computer / server, go ahead…
If you want upgrades there's a whole lotta kinks you have to work out… driver compatilibility, case / PSU not suitable with GPU, airflow problems, the high cost of upgrading ECC memory and what not. It wasn't really designed with gaming in mind — servers are built for data throughput and with minimal audio/video support.
Great machine, got the very same one at work and it's a pleasure to use. I got it with 16GB of RAM and 1TB HDD, running Ubuntu and being using it as my regular PC since a couple of months now. It is not noisy at all, in fact it is very very quite, even more quite than most normal PCs. If I'm not wrong my boss paid just over $1000 for it at Lenovo Aus.
Quite quiet, in fact ;)
LOL You are right, thanks for that :)
I blame the English language. A sad joke imposed on humanity IMO.
Thanks op.
Can someone please give me advice if I would like to add 8gb more ram? What I should buy? Thank you
How much would the ram cost? Is the ecc ram readily available?
Yes readily available. Cost you'd have to check.
Hi all.
In the market for a new home PC, with a budget of $1k, and this looks like it could be a good option with a few extra parts. So, what exactly would I need to turn this into a nice Home PC? ECC Ram, GPU, SSD? (Don't need monitor, mouse, speakers, etc)
Other suggestions around the $1k mark welcome. I've been playing with the PLE and NetPlus sites (yep, I'm in Perth) but don't really know what I'm selecting. :P
Cheers
You would honestly be better off building a PC yourself with normal desktop hardware, while this is a fantastic price for a server you are honestly better off spending your money on standard stuff.
Ok, cool. Thanks.
How's this then? Ok for $799 with all the extras?
http://www.austin.net.au/lenovo-10b6a01yau-m73-small-form-fa…
Just built in Intel HD graphics but if it's not for games it looks quite powerful.
Not many people really need an i7 (this is an i5) but the 16GB of ram might come in handy over the lifetime of the machine.
TL;DR
Should be able to handle anything you throw at it apart from games.
Thanks buddy - I thought it looked ok for around $800, so good to hear I wasn't deluding myself. :D
Thinking if it's worth upgrading my FX8350 machine to this? I think it might actually be a downgrade…
Trying to find RAM for this server, 8GB stick any links for cheaper ECC?
if your looking to use it as a desktop there is no s3 sleep mode.
This is going to blow my N40L out of the water, right?
If I wanted 4 disks in RAID 5, do I still need WHS on a separate OS drive?
Is 4 HDDs the max I can use? Any way of adding a Blu-ray drive to this machine?
Is the power supply multi voltage though? Or 110V only?