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I think this is the cheapest it has ever been.
Use the eBay 20% off voucher.
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https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/198554
Seagate Archive 8TB - $287.20 Delivered - eBay - Shopping Express Clearance
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You can use it in any 3.5" case.
Must.. Resist! Purchased a 5TB for $178 few months ago..
I got my drive in the last deal from Shopping Express for $310 + 8.25 delivery (as I missed out on the free delivery via the simultaneous PLE deal). This seems to be a great deal and I have had no problems with the drive. I use it to store all the movies I have collected over the years. Once I get a bit more confident in it, I will start to migrate my TV series across as well.
Bargain price, a new low which will be hard to beat for awhile I reckon.
Can't decide whether to get this or take advantage of the $50 coupon deal …
problem is when it fails you will cry, a lot, unless it is backed up which is an expensive proposition
Too bad you cant use these in raid…
You can use them in RAID if you want. There has been a few reviews about them in raid. Seagate just doesn't recommend it because it can be slow in rebuilding a raid.
I'm planning to use them in Windows Storage Spaces.Slow isnt the word. Try rebuilding an 8tb array at single digit speeds. No thanks… Still incredibly cheap for everthing else!
Do NOT try these in a RAID environment, it'll work but it'll be a god damned shambles……. these things are almost like an old school record, it's best you lay data on the disk ONCE and once only and leave it there…… the less writes the better, very overly-complicated system of writing data to the disk and almost definitely likely to wear out faster than a regular HDD.
NOTE: there's no HDD's over 6TB that don't use some kind of weird system to store data, either this odd system or the helium stuff.
Seems like these guys tried it out and doesn't seem that bad.
http://www.storagereview.com/seagate_archive_hdd_review_8tbAlso hasn't SMR tech been used in Server Tech for awhile now, which means they aren't really that new to the computing world.
It is just new for consumers since the SMR hardware which works the stuff out is inbuilt into the HDD.
Servers usually split it, there is other hardware which takes care of interpreting the data.
RAID Usage with SMR
With the attractively low price per TB that the Seagate Archive 8TB HDD has, it can be difficult to not consider purchasing a set for NAS storage. StorageReview strongly recommends against such usage, as at this time SMR drives are not designed to cope with sustained write behavior. Many contend that NAS shares tend to be very read-focused during normal operation. While that's true, the exception is when a drive fails and a RAID rebuild has to occur. In this case the results clearly show that this implementation of SMR is not a good fit for RAID.
To show this stark difference we compared two Seagate Archive HDDs (SMR) and two HGST He8 HDDs (PMR), both configured in RAID1. These were installed in a Synology DS1815+ and DS1515+ respectively, where a RAID1 volume was created and then a single drive was pulled to put the RAID-set into a degraded mode. The removed drive was then reinserted and a RAID rebuild initiated.
Below is a screenshot showing disk activity during the SMR RAID rebuild on top, where we see sustained write performance all over the map, including single digit throughput for long periods. This is compared to the PMR rebuild shown on the bottom half of the image which is able to stay over 100MB/s for most of the duration.
The HGST He8 HDDs completed its rebuild in 19 hours and 46 minutes. The Seagate Archive HDDs completed their rebuild in 57 hours and 13 minutes. Needless to say in a larger RAID group or with background activity taking place, that rebuild time will only get longer. At this time Seagate recommends single drive deployments, be it consumer or enterprise. For hyper-scale deployments that are SMR aware, specially designed software can be used to replicate data across multiple drives in a fashion that won't have the RAID rebuild penalty in a drive failure scenario.
Nah man…. Nah - screw that. If they were like 20TB for only $100 more than a 5TB "regular" ? heck I'd take the risk - but as it stands, there's going to be a LOT more disk head activity.
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Note the HUGE ISSUES that occur simply in a RAID 1 <—- environment, imagine RAID5, 6+ disks? Nope nope nope nope nope nope nope, MUCH worse.
Load of rubbish, quit with the paranoia.
Can use them in RAID, just need to be aware they have limitations (ie very slow rebuilds) and your redundancy needs to be able to handle that aspect.
As for the remarks of "overly-complicated system of writing data to the disk" and "lay data on the disk ONCE and once only and leave it there"; total crap. These drives are rated for 24x365 operations, and 180TB+ workloads per year. Given that's the disk fully written/wiped to a dozen times a year, or once a month, that's pretty generous based on the $/GB.
These drives have limitations, yes, but they also excel in certain areas. Just read some reviews. Long story short is they have horribly slow write speeds beyond 50GB writes, though are great for 20GB or less at a time. Very well suited to WORM (write once retrieve many) types of situations, such as storing TV shows/movies. When copying large sets of data they will be very slow, but for many people that will be completely fine and unnoticeable except when you first populate the drive.
As such, read some reviews and make an INFORMED purchase decision, as I imagine most people would do anyway.
Or in the case of most people write once and never read again.
Unless, i dunno, maybe you do watch more than 0.02% of what you download more than once unlike me.
Then why would you be looking at an 8TB hard drive at all? By that logic you'd never need much more than a 50GB hard drive.
These drives are obviously great for other WORM applications too, I was just providing a typical example many people I know would use them for. I personally am planning to use them for my photo collection, which is getting a bit out of 'hand'.
Perhaps you didn't read storagereviews comments?
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/198598#comment-2827164You know the one which clearly states to avoid them in RAID?
You can try and justify it all you like, they are NOT ideal for RAID by any means and the excess disk head stress will cause1, more failures
2, slower performance
3, more electricity usage
4, more heat
5, more noise….Should I go on?
They are fine to write as SINGLE disks if you don't mess with them much, but in a raid environment where each byte you write to an entire array is going to hit all the disks? Nope, screw that.
As I said, you need to be aware of the limitations, that does not mean you cannot use these drives in RAID. They work great, you just need to be aware rebuild times are slow.
FWIW, putting these in RAID will not cause any of the things you listed over having them as single drives not in RAID. Exception being slower performance, but that depends which RAID you are using, and hardware involved.
Again, these are drives rated for 24/365 usage, they are meant for turning over large volumes of data and will do so with ease.
RAID is really not the horrendous monster you make it out to be…
@ Yekul: Thanks for the good information. I'm a bit noob, but appreciate your comments.
What you say makes a lot of sense.
(So really USB 2/3 is fine for many consumers and other connection/drive types for those bigger file uses? = SSD etc.)
Is anyone brave enough to try the Click & Collect show on the eBay page?
I dont think Woolworths or Big W even carry these drives, do they? Will it actually work?
I'm guessing they are using Woolies / BigW as "Parcel Lockers", not sure if im game enough to try it.
They're just drop off points basically, it's not a Woolworths/Big W product. It will work, just the same as Officeworks parcel drop does for example.
I have had one order, was a bit of a stuff round they took ages to find it. Was in the same area as laybys, which in every Big W I have been in is always a giant mess. I'd be wary using it for delicate stuff like this, especially given delivery to your door/work/post office locker is free anyway.
I'm just thinking it might be more careful than relying on AusPost to deliver it to my house. At least it'll be safe sitting on a shelf at a Big W.
But yeah… not game enough to try it on a $287 item, especially HDD which tend to be a delicate.
They aren't actually all that delicate and can take many g's of acceleration without any issues.
Takes me back actually … the Seagate Barracuda 2 drives … around the year 2000 or something? …
Anyhow, these things were rated to take a 400G shock. Tried dropping it from a third floor Window into concrete, worked still.
Perhaps… but does that still apply for these special "helium" drives? Who knows really.
I'd err on the side of caution just to be sure.
It's actually really convenient and it will save you a lot of trouble if anything goes wrong. I've used it once and so they deliver it to Woolworths/BigW to sign on your behalf first, then you sign again when you go and pick it up. If nothing gets delivered to WW/BigW (but still gets signed by some fishy postman), then WW/BigW is on your side. +You don't need any ID to pick it up, just a number that they text you when it's ready to be collected. Super convenient if you're not at home 24/7; the only downside being that it might take a few days longer than if it were to go straight to your place.
It's better for me in theory because I go there anyway and I don't go to the post office unless they missed me ;)
Pretty sure they should be checking some form of ID. They requested my drivers license when I picked mine up (there was a field in the application they scan it with on the PC).
"Head for the clearly marked 'Simply Collect' collection point and use one of the ways below to collect your order. You can also show the collection code from your phone or tablet.
Scan this barcode Use your collection code Scan your EDR card*"
good deal with cashback and discount. BTW what is the formatted capacity of these 8tb drives?
7,448 GB (7.2 TB)
A quick calculation to remember is to get the advertised capacity and multiply by 0.931
It will show as 7448 GB or 7.24 TB.
Stock keeps coming back on this deal too, and the $50 voucher may apply
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/351373696545
looks like the code has expired :(
CODE HAS ENDED
Was going to buy but code has now expired. Will now have to wait till another 20% code comes along.
Anyone else getting this when entering the code? "There is no balance left on this redemption code"
Yes I just tried and im getting the same message. Im not paying $359.00 for it that's for sure! can I cancel the order somehow?
Just remove it from your cart?
Dammit! I bought one earlier, came back and thought about buying another one. Added to card with the discount. I went to log in to checkout (I normally change payment source), I logged in but didn't realise it was express check out instead and paid instantly! But it's gone through at $359. Grrrr! I have written to shopping express to cancel with specific Paypal ID and time of purchase. Hopefully, they cancel the second order!
if anyone has bought one at the original price and changed their mind please let me know, I would been keen for 2 :)
Save $287.20 on a hard drive that I didn't really need :-)
Does this require a special enclosure or will any 3.5 case do?