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Also with this deal get a $50 voucher to use between 1st June to 21 June. At $39.14/TB not as cheap as some 4TB drives half a year ago but with the AUD down this should be pretty good.

Seagate 8TB Archive 3.5 Inch Internal Hard Drive ST8000AS0002
- 3 Year Warranty

http://www.storagereview.com/seagate_archive_hdd_review_8tb
Random writes speeds and latency are dismal except in short bursts (128MB cache) so it should only be used for media storage and streaming. The reads are on par with other HDDs.

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  • Danthemanz on 16/05/2015 - 14:05
    +10

    More to the point you cant copy hundreds of gig to it in one go and expect the same speed as other drives.
    Copying 500GB of movies to it goes fine for 100GB, then it drops to 10-20Mb/s for the rest, its the nature of SMR drives.

    That said, im using it as my main video storage in my home server with other drives for downloading/recording etc and its serving the job well at an amazing $/TB.
    This is a fantastic price BTW…

    • asa79 on 16/05/2015 - 16:05
      +4

      That's why they call it an archive drive. You don't need speed when your not using it all the time

      • IVI on 16/05/2015 - 21:46

        +1 OTOH, you're putting "all your eggs into ONE basket"

        (Make & keep a backup of this device.)

        • Miami Mall Alien on 17/05/2015 - 01:14
          -4

          (Make & keep a backup of this device.)

          And the Next Bill Gates IT Prodigy of the Year Award goes to…

          Next you're going to tell us something radical like choosing a password with upper and lower case letters.

        • jackary on 17/05/2015 - 15:43

          @Amar89: I really don't understand why you got so many negs. Making backups in today's age should be standard, especially with an 8tb drive for gods sake.

        • Miami Mall Alien on 17/05/2015 - 18:13
          +5

          @jackary: Hell if I know. Probably a bunch of millennials schooled on outcomes-based education that tells them they're never wrong. They're delicate flowers, these OzBargainers.

          Anyway… make AND keep your backups, people. Don't just make them and bury them in the yard or try to sauté them.

        • jaybo on 18/05/2015 - 08:42
          +1

          as the old saying goes… a backup you can't restore, is not a backup.

        • Click_It on 18/05/2015 - 20:19

          @Amar89:

          Bounced right back from neg land with style!

    • murkywater on 16/05/2015 - 16:20

      What sustained read speeds do you get from it?

      • Danthemanz on 16/05/2015 - 16:30
        +1

        While i havent tested it, my understanding of the technology means there is no drop, so like 150MB/s or something.

    • cheesecactus on 17/05/2015 - 03:30

      Do WD 6tb greens suffer from the same problem?

      • toliman on 20/05/2015 - 00:37

        only the "archive" drives from seagate are using SMR.

        from memory, the archive series is 6tb/8tb. they're putting the archive drives in the externals as well.

        There is a regular 8tb drive from hitachi, it's about $1200 or something crazy from hitachi, and uses helium to fill the drive (even newer tech).

        WD drives, only go up to 6gb at the moment, they haven't changed their drives to account for the under $400 8tb archive drives, 6tb in seagate / hitachi / western digital is still ~$550 for regular speed HD drives.

        • cheesecactus on 21/05/2015 - 01:25

          Awesome, cool thanks for that :)

  • AlmightyGaz on 16/05/2015 - 14:11
    +1

    I assume that this will run ok in a N54L Microserver as long as it's not the boot drive?

  • denserham on 16/05/2015 - 14:20
    -2

    http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/HDDFai…

    I woudln't trust Seagate with 8tb, every time I fix a friends computer it's either bad RAM or they bought a seagate.

    • silent1 on 16/05/2015 - 14:30
      +10

      But they can also be more reliable too.

      https://www.backblaze.com/blog/our-6tb-hard-drive-face-off-r…
      400+ drives 6TB Seagate - 2.8%, WD - 5.9%

    • xdivino on 16/05/2015 - 14:31
      +10

      Less about trust in x brand and more about ensuring proper backup. It's always x brand over y, but to be honest in my opinion the build processes change so much in this tech that its one bad run then the process changes completely.

    • Letrico on 16/05/2015 - 16:06
      +10

      Had my seagate for 4 years. Still run perfect. Sometimes I don't understand why the hate for seagate.

      • ankor on 16/05/2015 - 17:10

        6 years and going strong for mine.

        • ashikk on 16/05/2015 - 20:53

          Sorry, thick thumb accidentally pressed negative instead of positive.

        • jackary on 17/05/2015 - 15:44

          On the flip of the coin, my 750gb died in less than a week. My 500gb, still fine at.. 3ish years?

      • ShipShapeRC on 17/05/2015 - 18:27

        I have had a few drives die over the years and they always seem to be the Seagate ones. For that reason I'm not a fan of Seagate. Mind you, it's luck of the draw really, the next one to die may well be a WD or Toshiba or any other brand that I have in my collection.

      • toliman on 20/05/2015 - 01:01

        i replaced 4 seagate drives in 2 years. last year, i sent back 2 external 4tb drives, and 1 internal 3tb with my music, and production files.

        3 of those externals were 4tb drives, purchased and failed within 1 year, after at least 3 months of operation. So, yeah, backup is optimistic for seagate.

        All of these drives operate on a UPS and power surge protector board, one 4tb picked up a SMART fault and started pushing bad sectors,
        one refused to power up, even with a different power pack, the controller worked, but there was no drive powerup. the third failed 6 months later by corrupting at least 80gb to 300gb of video files sitting above the 3tb mark on the drive.

        So, now it's backed up on 5x 4tb WD RED NAS disks, in a N54L box with ZFS Raid-Z1. Next year, i'll expand that to Raid-Z2 and 6 more 4tb drives.

        Even when the N54L caught fire, and i replaced all the drives one by one, it didn't lose data. seriously.

    • asa79 on 16/05/2015 - 16:07
      +2

      3 year warranty is good, when you have redundancy and backups it doesn't matter too much

    • Danthemanz on 16/05/2015 - 16:32

      Yeah, but thats because they are in like half the world computers. I HDDs can die.
      I have a 25 year old 250MB Seagate here in a 486 that just wont die…

      • Saiya on 16/05/2015 - 17:48
        +6

        You still use a 486?

        • Agret on 16/05/2015 - 22:06

          Helps the drive life if you only use the pc twice a year.

        • Danthemanz on 17/05/2015 - 10:02
          +2

          Rebuilding it at the moment for DOS gaming and general nostalgia.
          My main PC is quad core @ 4.9ghz…lol

        • Click_It on 17/05/2015 - 13:13
          +1

          @Danthemanz:

          Ahh Sierra games, fond memories…

        • casval on 17/05/2015 - 13:15

          @Danthemanz:

          I remember my first pc, it was a 486 dx33 with 4mb RAM and a 120mb hdd. And himem.sys to access anything beyond 640kb. Ah nostalgia.

          However, two words…DosBox and/or gog.com :p And I'm playing Space Quest and Legend of Kyrandia :)

        • Danthemanz on 17/05/2015 - 14:37

          @casval:
          Yes, but building it yourself is half the fun ;)

        • ShipShapeRC on 17/05/2015 - 18:29

          I got rid of my C64 but I still have my Amiga with the whopping 20MB HDD on the side. Darn thing still runs great too.

        • freesteakknives on 17/05/2015 - 18:48

          Do you need any RAM - I found a small stash of old memory chips.

        • pinoy on 17/05/2015 - 22:56

          @Danthemanz:

          DOS gaming can be attained via a virtual machine. As with nostalgia, can't help u there.

        • Danthemanz on 18/05/2015 - 10:51

          @freesteakknives:

          If you have any 72pin RAM (Non EDO) simms greater than 4MB each id certainly take them off your hands!

        • Click_It on 18/05/2015 - 20:24

          @Danthemanz:

          This guys' got them coming out of his wazoo!
          http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Bulk-Lot-of-72Pin-RAM-x-34-Sticks…

          From memory when we had a 486 it had 8 slots which we filled with 4MB so 32MB total. I didn't know they had 16MB simms (just saw some on eBay)

          EDIT: Whoa! There was even 64MB and 128MB sticks. Must have cost a bomb back in the day

    • Diji1 on 16/05/2015 - 17:18
      -1

      Sounds like simple confirmation bias to me considering the tiny differences in actual failure rates.

      Which are measured and recorded so the answer to which hard disk fails the most isn't down to confirmation bias and humans terribly unreliable memories or fixing a few friends what … 10, 20 hard disks(?) LEL.

    • Agret on 16/05/2015 - 22:07

      I wouldn't trust any brand with any amount of storage. Anything you value should be backed up to multiple devices. I backup my pc to a 4 drive raid5 on my microserver which is then backed up weekly to an external USB hdd.

    • sk0tty on 18/05/2015 - 11:03

      Agreed. I have had three Seagates fail in the past 3 months, in different machines on different OSs. One was only 1.5 years old, the others were 2.5 years old (outside of 2 year warranty). None of my Hitachis have failed and they are much older than the Seagates were. Needless to say I've replaced the failed Seagate drives with Hitachis now.

  • mfxr on 16/05/2015 - 15:03

    Thanks OP, just ordered one.
    Cheers

  • perrm on 16/05/2015 - 15:24

    Thanks OP. Was literally about to order a couple from Kogan for $350 to check 'em out. Got them from SE instead. CHeers.

  • jdogg on 16/05/2015 - 15:37
    +1

    Wow they are even up to 10GB drives now

    • asa79 on 16/05/2015 - 16:07
      +8

      That was a long time ago

    • jv on 16/05/2015 - 16:10

      Wow they are even up to 10GB drives now

      I said that about 1GB drives not that long ago…

    • ChillBro on 16/05/2015 - 19:29
      +1

      Your time machine malfunctioned.

    • [Deactivated] on 17/05/2015 - 10:11

      Where did you find a 10GB drive? I only have 8gb and 16gb drives

    • jdogg on 17/05/2015 - 11:31

      Haha oops.. TB! You know what I mean lol!

      • Click_It on 17/05/2015 - 13:14

        TB?! 10TB?

        My 386 won't read that

    • Charity on 17/05/2015 - 15:27

      No one will ever need more than 64KB

  • Click_It on 16/05/2015 - 15:58
    +5

    Great price, just understand they are v.slow in writes, absolutely terrible array building times but that's okay if you work within the parameters and use it for what it is - an archiving drive! Reads are decent (good for nas, buy a ups tho :)).

    Only reason I won't bite is because I'm too invested in 4tb currently, would cost a fortune for me to migrate to these currently (5 drives, shr2/raid6 ouch)

  • digitalaxon on 16/05/2015 - 16:45
    +19

    Some interesting comments and having bought my fair share of drives in the past (maxtor, seagate, wd, quantum, toshiba, connor, Hitachi etc) I can hopefully put in my two cents.

    1 ) Avoid version 1.0 of anything - this is the first generation of SMR so be prepared to be an early adopter and beta tester

    2 ) When looking at newegg a good number of drives that fail appear to be the result of bad transportation and/or installation - be gentle with them, don't drop them, or expose them to excessive vibration during installation (yes the heads may be parked but its better to be safe than sorry and problems due to environmental factors could take weeks to manifest)

    3 ) People tend to align themselves with manufacturers based on experience (naturally).. Traditionally speaking I've been a WD person having had more bad experiences with seagate than with WD (potentially related to #2) but essentially all drives will eventually fail (so make sure you have a backup strategy in place)

    4 ) Enterprise drives and domestic drives are totally different and seagate in the enterprise arena are solid and first rate drives (and expensive).

    5 ) The 3Tb Seagates that BackBlaze use for storage that have an almost 50% failure rate, according to seagate specifications are not rated for 24/7 operation and have a very low MTBF - these are drives designed for running 4-8 hours a day.. They also park themselves (much like WD Greens). While probably not directly related the drives they used they also took out of USB drive enclosures rather than buying bare drive units. Backblaze using these drives (MTBF rating wise) in my mind was irresponsible and wasteful.

    6 ) When buying a new drive 'run it in' for a few weeks if possible - if the drive after a month of use is fine, then put it into production - if a drive is bad it should show faults early on in its life

    7 ) Download Ultimate Boot CD and using partition magic run the smart diagnostic tool on the drives, carrying out the short, conveyancing and full smart analysis, then perform a full format of the drive under windows, then run crystaldiskinfo on the drive - check to see if there are any pending relocatable sectors — if there are, drive is bad - RMA it

    8 ) From what I've read drives should run at around the mid 20 degree mark, and I think its only after drives get above mid 40s that there is a stronger correlation between drive failures and temperatures… Also drives at lower temperatures are more likely to fail

    I think that covers most of it :) —- I think #7 is what I find the most important - you want to make sure the drive is reliable before using - of course the above does not relate to SSD's

      • digitalaxon on 16/05/2015 - 18:00
        +6

        Thank you for your harsh feedback and criticism.

      • Osiris on 16/05/2015 - 18:14
        +3

        Sorry Diji to use your words I would have to say your assertion is "complete rubbish"

        Forgetting everything about consumer psychology, I only have to open up whirlpool, toms hardware or google things like "best hdd" to see comment after comment based on peoples experiences.

        Hard drives actually lend themselves to being more experience based than your apple or Samsung comparison because there are easy to understand differences between the hardware and software of those items. Most consumers couldn't tell you A difference between 2 same specc'd and same sized drives other than price/warranty so it entirely comes down to their experiences.

      • SBOB on 16/05/2015 - 19:13
        +1

        Complete rubbish.

        nice of you to warn us at the start of the rest of your post..

        So your saying that if person A had in their past bought a Seagate and a WD hard drive, and the seagate died and the WD kept running without issue there would be no 'personal experience' that they would base any future recommendation or purchase decision on?

        As osiris says, thats pretty much 100% of what peoples posts on whirlpool etc are

        • toliman on 20/05/2015 - 01:09

          to be fair, i still call hitachi deathstar's. I bought a hitachi 1tb laptop HDD for my laptop to replace a WD SE16 500gb,

          inevitably, it's failed to work on my laptop, starts locking up once more than 500gb of data is on the drive, failing to boot up or resume after sleep mode, etc. It's likely a SATA controller mismatch, but i'm not changing the laptop.

          so, it's in a USB2.0 enclosure instead, and i put a 500gb WD black in the laptop instead.

          combined with the horrible track record with seagate 4tb's, it's very likely seagate can absorb their failures if even 1% fail, maybe even 3% for heavy or regular use.

  • BuyNow Think Later on 16/05/2015 - 16:54

    Where do you put an archive HDD in to use it?

    • toliman on 20/05/2015 - 01:10
      +1

      these are internal drives to replace regular drives.

      Seagate also make External USB "backup" drives with the new "Archive" SMR drives, they'll be coming to Australia, eventually.

  • darwin123 on 16/05/2015 - 17:34

    Aren't WD coming out with their 8tb and 10tb drives soon too?

    Does anyone know when they are coming?

  • 2Poor4Ozb on 16/05/2015 - 17:44

    omg i cant get $323.1
    only show as 359
    all good 323.1 BUY NOW

  • muzzamo on 16/05/2015 - 17:49

    Anyone have any thoughts as to the suitability of these in a ZFS array (or some other raid style array)

    I'm wondering if the archives would be good in a 5 disk Raid-z2 array, for instance.

  • grjohnson on 16/05/2015 - 18:21

    It's a Seagate.. it probably comes bricked. I've had 4 HD failures over the last 5 years…. all Seagate.

    • P.Sherman on 16/05/2015 - 22:44

      As @digitalaxon said, Enterprise is different to consumer sector

      Pretty much all my consumer Seagate drives have died but I would hope their enterprise drives are more reliable.

      @silent1 posted a promising link too:

      400+ drives 6TB Seagate - 2.8%, WD - 5.9%

      https://www.backblaze.com/blog/our-6tb-hard-drive-face-off-r…

      Granted the WD drives have had longer drive service hrs

    • Charity on 17/05/2015 - 15:29
      -2

      yeah, i wouldn't touch a Seagate if it was $100. My data is worth much more.

  • tko6070 on 16/05/2015 - 18:29

    Does anyone use CrystalDiskInfo to predict imminent failure?

    • toliman on 20/05/2015 - 01:13

      CD can read SMART data.

      What you want to use, is HDD sentinel,

      it's nagware (keeps asking for money/registration when you open it), but it does a good job of showing regular wear and usage on drives over time if you open it up every few days and keep logs. CrystalDisk, just pulls the current SMART info. HDD Sentinel, logs it all over time so you can get a better picture of when something happened.

      • tko6070 on 20/05/2015 - 01:40

        Thanks for that, i'll check it out now

  • Nilfunds on 16/05/2015 - 18:48
    +3

    now thats a lot of pr0n!!!

  • forumninja on 16/05/2015 - 19:51

    SMR drives are really slow to write to at the moment.
    See the following link for the latest Seagate presentation on SMR drives with current filesystems - it'll be even worse if you try to use NTFS with them: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides…

    For better speeds, use a SMR compatible filesystem, e.g. SMRFFS ext4: https://github.com/Seagate/SMR_FS-EXT4, which this drive is compatible with.

  • tommy-darko on 16/05/2015 - 19:55

    Two of these in an external RAID, USB3 enclosure and you'll be set for a while.

  • 2Poor4Ozb on 16/05/2015 - 21:27

    ——->spillmill
    did i tell u the reason i becaME poor
    ozbargain!!!!!!!

  • ens1402 on 16/05/2015 - 21:58

    I go for 2 of these instead, end up to be $30 extra but you get normal hard drive. Hope it work out ok ;)

    http://www.shoppingexpress.com.au/buy/wd-elements-4tb-usb-de…

    • [Deactivated] on 17/05/2015 - 10:38

      If you purchase them separately and apply the code NEW10OFF it should work out to $165 each

      • silent1 on 17/05/2015 - 13:04

        Can only use the $10 code and the WD code once unless you have multiple accounts. Also you don't get the $50 voucher.

        • [Deactivated] on 17/05/2015 - 13:48

          Multiple accounts is the ozbargain way but I don't have a need for a second drive, $165 is a good price are they easily removed from the enclosure?

    • nige0090 on 17/05/2015 - 14:22

      You prefer the WD Elements 4TB over the Seagate Backup Plus 4TB? Both are $195.

      • nige0090 on 17/05/2015 - 14:28

        Ahh, I forgot about the "WD10%OFF" code

  • sonicentropy on 17/05/2015 - 07:19
    +1

    i deal with hitachis in our nas at work and i replace 1 or 2 a week. Our servers mainly use seagates for non ssd. And i only replace 1 a year out of hundred or so. I have seagates in my nas at home 5 years never had to replace 1 but i am waiting for amazon to put the 8tb usb on sale so i can back it up.

    • Click_It on 20/05/2015 - 09:55

      Let us know when that happens, 8tb USB would be awesome.

  • jeffr on 17/05/2015 - 14:11
    +1

    Umart Brisbane is $339 this week. A bit more expensive but convenient location if you need to do a warranty claim.

    • Charity on 17/05/2015 - 15:30

      with Seagate, you will need.

  • MMM on 18/05/2015 - 01:30

    I have had nothing but good results from my Seagate drives although I will buy whatever is the best priced on the day. Had WD 3TB red NAS drives that kept failing and re-building attached to a Rocket RAID card got fed up with them constantly re-building swapped them for some 3TB Seagate 7200RPM drives pulled from the cheap officeworks external variety and they have been running like a charm for over 18 months without a single RAID re-build. I have actually had more trouble with WD than Seagate especially their green variety learnt very early years ago that they spin down so are useless for RAID so tried the RED variety and I might be the only one but also did not have success with those either.

    Either way I do plenty of backups as all drives will fail.

    • sk0tty on 18/05/2015 - 11:08

      Keep those backups current then, 18 months was about the time I started having Seagates fail and their 3TB have typically been the most unreliable of their drives. I just had a 3TB Seagate fail after pretty much spot on 18 months.

  • mattyman on 18/05/2015 - 01:37
    +1

    These are the kind of drives you stick in a zpool on a freenas box. Nice find OP.

  • Pielo on 18/05/2015 - 11:06

    Got 2, with shipping + insurance, for $636. Thanks!

    • Osiris on 18/05/2015 - 12:41

      doh, didn't see the option for insurance >.<

  • atlas on 18/05/2015 - 13:03

    Out of stock it seems

  • xdivino on 19/05/2015 - 13:55

    yay got mine today! super quick delivery, stoked.
    Gonna be a long copy/paste later tonight.

    • Click_It on 20/05/2015 - 09:58

      Remember to use copy verification, something like TeraCopy will do the job. Though your slow copy just become almost twice as slow. Piece of mind is worth it though. I did this with 20TB not so long ago over a dodgy 1GbE connection (~35MB/s, not a whole lot faster than these Seagates)

      • xdivino on 20/05/2015 - 17:09

        only moved about 4TB on to it of just media files (100mb+)
        Took 8hrs and was dead on average of 100mb/s write on usb3 disk dock.

        I've got another 3tb to move tonight and will look at something to verify the data once all onboard.

        if it dies, i've still got 2 copies at present.

        • Click_It on 20/05/2015 - 17:36

          Id be all over these if I hadn't invested heavily in 4tb last year. Per gig is cheaper on these, no fair :p

        • xdivino on 20/05/2015 - 20:54

          @Click_It:

          resell on 4tb's not to bad now if your lucky.
          that's my plan,

          4x4's over to 2x 8's. basically 1:1 setups (ie 2x4tb is match to the other 2x 4tb.)
          so should pan out nicely for me if i can re-sell it's a small upgrade cost.

          knowing my luck 10's will be out next week and will be super launch discount pricing :p

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