Tipping in Australia

I wanted to get peoples reasonable arguments for and against, for tipping in Australia.

Firstly, Australia's minimum wage is much higher than most countries. And in addition to this, very often the restaurateurs are forced to pay above minimum wage. Add to this the penalty rates that apply and SOME hospitality staff are very well paid on a global comparison basis.
I know some restaurateurs who struggle with the high rents and wages and barely cover their costs with food. They rely increasingly on wine to make a profit.
The issue of
a whether a tip should be expected
b if so how much?

I can work in a lower priced restaurant /bistro which is byo and typically the bill might come to $30-50 per head. Or I might work at a takeaway food place. I would be paid the same per hour. I would be working hard as the turnover of customers is quicker.
Or I could work at a high priced restaurant with an expensive wine list, far fewer clients and I would not work nearly as hard. I am also likely to be earning a higher base wage.
In the first scenario, I would be less likely to be tipped, but if I received a tip it would be for $3-5 per head on top of my likely minimum hourly rate
In the second scenario where the customer is encouraged to order expensive wine, it is not uncommon for the wine bill to be more than the food. A total bill of $150 per head is not uncommon and so a 10% tip is $15 per head on top of a higher hourly rate. Remember I am working less intensely than the waiter in the first scenario as well.

Should 10% of the bill (if at all in australia) be the expected tip REGARDLESS of how high the bill is? Or is a flat fee more appropriate?
Should we tip at all if the service is only just ok? In other words the waiter is just dumping the food on the table, and not adding anything else to your dining experience.

In recent times I have been shocked at the introduction in restaurants of the credit card terminal that specifically asks for you to enter a tip. In many cases I have observed the waiting staff not only looking at the amount as it is being entered, but also entering into a conversation about the amount that was being tipped. I find this all a bit rude and presumptive. The sense of entitlement that some of these waiters have over what is an elective gift of appreciation I personally find offensive.

Personally for the record, I will not tip in australia if I feel that the waiter has not been friendly, or has been abrupt, intrusive, or ill informed. If on the other hand , they have really added to our dining experience I am more than happy to tip. How much I tip is not related to the size of the bill. if we are eating somewhere cheap, and I feel like a tip is deserved then I will often tip more than 10%. On the other hand if the evening has been a celebration and the bill has become much bigger I am often tipping less than 10%

What do others think about the issue of tipping and the etiquette that goes with it?

Poll Options

  • 4
    I agree that a 10% tip in Australia should always apply
  • 568
    I don't agree that a 10% tip in Australia should always apply

Comments

    • +2

      Also the minimum wage in Australia is $16.87/hr however I can confidently tell you that quite a lot of restaurants do not give anywhere close to that amount.

      If you are so confident grow some balls report it follow it thru and stop this practice the law is on the employee's side now the employee needs you on their side.

      • -4

        But its interesting though, the people on here cares about their self more than others.
        Since people are generally like that, then they would want to care about keeping their jobs than to burn pretty much all bridges.

        Speaking out is a very brave thing to do, it is pretty much burning all your bridges with every restaurant. Not many people doing a waiter's job which has the financial ability to say screw you to the industry.

        If your boss is screwing you over but pretty much every other company is doing exactly the same thing, would you speak out, you will say yes you would, however when in that position and you have to pay for your living expenses and bringing the bread home, you will decide that you will have to suck it up.

        • If your boss is screwing you over but pretty much every other company is doing exactly the same thing, would you speak out, you will say yes you would, however when in that position and you have to pay for your living expenses and bringing the bread home, you will decide that you will have to suck it up.

          Yes i would and i would make sure that he is in the same position as me if not worse..

      • except the restaurant owner would most likely go out of business. leaving the employee without any job

        • +1

          If the restaurant owner would most likely go out of business they should not be in business in the first place. Message to restaurant owner build a business based on real wages and returns or go away. This is Australia not some country where you screw over everyone including your mates from your home country.

        • @coin saver:

          You would be surprised HOW MANY cheaper restaurants would disappear over night. restaurants are a High turnover low margin business. many waiters are making more than the owners themselves (yes its true)
          Cheaper restaurants are providing a valuable service to the community.Without them many on low incomes would not be able to go out to eat once in a while.

          The labour laws introduced into this country bear no relationship necessarily to the profitability and the ability to pay of some industries. hospitality is one of those industries.
          It is a complex area that is not just about $ per hour. So your comment, seems a bit flippant, and one sided.

          What we are talking about is flexibility of labour not exploitation. The american model is far more flexible and allows a business and its employees to thrive.

        • @razorack999:

          You would be surprised HOW MANY cheaper restaurants would disappear over night.

          This is a good thing less competition equates to busy restaurants with less cost per customer. Therefore the ability to employ more staff and pay higher wages.

          It is a complex area that is not just about $ per hour.

          $ per hour is exactly why i work you?

          What we are talking about is flexibility of labour not exploitation.

          Paying below minimum wage is not only exploitation it is morally wrong demeaning and against the law.
          One thing i do not understand about these underpaid people is why they don't chase their employer when they leave for unpaid wages.Improving things for the people following is also a benefit of doing this,

        • @coin saver:
          Coin you are very clearly on the side of the worker and thats fine. But you ignore the pressures that are on restaurant owners. your answer - they should not be in business. OK but there goes 75% of your affordable restaurants. That leaves you the consumer far worse off. I dont agree that busier restaurants equate to cheaper restaurants. Less competition leads to higher prices.
          To be clear I am not advocating restaurant owners exploiting their workers for lower wages so that they can make more money.
          The problem in Australia is that the minimum wage has got too high for some industries. Hospitality is one. There is simply no profit left for the owner after food, wages and rent> This takes up over 90% of their turnover in many instances. leaving 10% for the owner to live on and cover other incidentals. The response with many restaurants is to charge exorbitant prices for their alcohol , to make a decent living. Many are also resorting to paying their wages in cash.
          If we have a recession , one where people really have to budget to make ends meet, the first thing that will disappear is discretionary spending- like eating out. If this happens many of your favorite restaurants will be gone

          It is not as simple as you think

        • +1

          @razorack999: Lots of industries don't make high margins. They can either raise their prices to make margins or they can keep them where they are. We can come back to simple economics - the market will automatically adjust. Unprofitable businesses will go out of business, profitable and well-run businesses will survive.

          Your question isn't even about helping the workers. It's about the poor, long-suffering restaurant owners. Well, it's not the job of the consumer to subsidise an uneconomic industry by giving tips because the owners aren't able to run a profitable business. Unprofitable restaurants will go out of business, successful restaurants will stay in business. If prices will increase because there are fewer restaurants, then the market is adjusting properly. You're asking consumers to pay more money anyway - so how's that any different?

          Let me put it another way. Would you walk into a Betta Electricals or Retravision and offer to pay the proprietor more money because their margins are low and they're in an industry that is suffering because e-Commerce is eroding their profits. Would you go to a local corner store and offer to pay more than shelf price because their margins might be under pressure from large supermarkets and retail stores?

          The difference with restaurants, of course, is that paying a tip is on occasion an accepted way in Australia of rewarding someone for EXCEPTIONAL service. You're thinking about it from the perspective of getting consumers to pay tips to help out the RESTAURANT OWNERS. I don't think that's the right mechanism to do it, and that's why most people are not agreeing with you.

        • @hayne:

          "You're thinking about it from the perspective of getting consumers to pay tips to help out the RESTAURANT OWNERS"

          If you read all my posts you would realise how far away from what I am saying that comment is.
          All i am doing is responding to both sides of the argument.

        • The problem in Australia is that the minimum wage has got too high for some industries. Hospitality is one. There is simply no profit left for the owner after food, wages and rent

          The problem in Australia is that the minimum wage has got too low for most industries. Hospitality is one. There is simply no money left for the worker after food, transport and rent

          OK but there goes 75% of your affordable restaurants.

          If 75% of affordable restaurants close rental cost alone would reduce by 75% per meal served maybe more due to supply and demand in the rental market

        • @razorack999: well, no, I read all your posts and it seems that most of them are espousing a view that we should be helping out the poor restaurant owners, and that cheap restaurant food is a valuable service, and that if restaurants go out of business, people lose jobs.

          Maybe you have a more balanced personal view than that but I'm not seeing it - you seem to have been forced to be on the defensive because most posters are disagreeing with you.

  • prepay no. postpay yes. im comfortable with a bit less than 10%. above 15 post pay - bare minimum rounding to the nearest 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90 etc.

  • +4

    Tip for all in hospitality: great food and service equals returning customers. This means you get to keep job or even work more hours.

  • In the U.S they make about $6 an hour….aussies make $20 an hour..this is why tipping is not prevelant here

    • +1

      And in some parts of the US it is half that again. but tips can be very significant

    • +2

      Also the cost of living in US is cheaper than Australia therefore you cannot just compare their per hour wages. You need to take into consideration their cheaper economy and cost of living over there.

      For example:
      $10 for food here is $5 for food there.
      You can buy a house there for 100k and you cannot buy anything here for atleast 200-300k.

      Not really comparing apples to apples if you simply compare wages.

    • -1

      that why it happen in USA went i was in new york talk doorman at hotell ask what did make hour at end my trip as shut door to taxi he 17 at door and 28 at front desk. Guy at century 21 clothing shop in new york city he we make $9 per hour here but if he work at century 21 in new new jersey they $6 to $5

      • +1

        Interesting.

  • Tip??!!! …I'll give you a tip all right….

  • No Tipping, Ever.

  • +5

    If they're smoking hot I generally tip, otherwise I bring a freebie I got from ozbargain and leave it on the table for them.

    • I've yet to work out how to leave a Udemy course as a tip… hmmm

      • +1

        Leave the link on the receipt, ways and means young Jedi

  • +2

    We have very generous hospitality wages in this country. Just browse the comments section of news.com.au and smh.com.au and you'll see dozens of complaints about how wage costs are driving restaurants into bankruptcy and closing on public holidays.

    Tipping? I would tip the chef who prepared my meal for the skill he or she put into it. How do I know whether the person who actually made my food, rather than the person who brought me the plate and took my order, is the one pocketing the money?

  • +3

    Just want to share some of my experiences: I was in Sake (Brisbane) a while back and the counter lady asked a customer who's paying his bill so loudly how much tip he's going to give to the waiter.
    I was also in Aria (Sydney) not long ago. Another customer paid the bill but didn't leave a tip and the counter lady asked if something was wrong.
    I thought it's quite inappropriate to force customers to leave a tip, especially for supposedly high end restaurants.

    • +2

      In that case I would bounce her, by asking her (in an equally loud voice) how much she pays the waiting staff and then I will make a decision

      • +1

        Do you tip if she pays them well or pays them poorly?

  • +2

    You'd never be able to walk out of a restaurant paying 10% less, so there's no reason you should ever feel you have to pay 10% more.

  • +15

    Tipping in this country is nonsense, and those making it awkward for the rest of us need to sort their arses out.

    • Ignore the neg, stupid phone.

      I agree 100% with you.

  • +8

    Tipping is for when you dont want loose change in your wallet/purse.

    • Maccas would love your loose change.

      • +1

        That's what the charity boxes are for infront of the cashier.

  • +5

    Providing my 25% OFF entertainment card/voucher when asking for the bill is most appropriate.

    A returning customer is more important than a tipping customer!

  • +1

    Drop the salaries and then I would consider tipping but never do it by default.

    The reason it exists is because it is budgeted that way in other countries. It shouldn't be an incremental revenue tool which it is currently in Australia.

    This week I ate at 3 restaurants which all asked for tips via the eftpos machine and whilst the service was good I did not tip

    Hopefully then the customer service would lift in this country because currently it's pretty average

    I say average not poor because it is often good, just not fantastic like it could be if there was further motivation to $ervice.

    • The eftpos machine doesn't ask for a tip, it just has the functionality to pull up a previous transaction without your card and put on a tip, hence why it prints the tip line.

      So the restaurant explicitly said "please write tips on eftpos?" That would piss me off, I hate when people ask for tips, but if they don't ask i usually give them alittle.

    • +1

      i wish it would lift

  • -3

    ROFL tip the chef. You can have chef's earning $70K+ for slapping shit in a pan and then on a plate. Just like close to any other job in Australia you need 10yrs worth of degrees, and 15yrs of experience first though.

  • Agree 100%. I also don't tip for all the reasons you mentioned, unless the wait staff were exceptionally friendly and helpful without being pushy. Also shocked at the EFT tip option, and specifically that some staff prompt you to "enter a tip and OK". This feels like a guilt trip, but I understand with the new PIN only card rules there is no real opportunity to privately discuss and decide on a tip with your fellow diners. However, in at least half the cases they gave actually entered zero and hit OK before handing me the terminal, and this on the other hand vindicates my philosophy and distaste for the growing trend that a tip is always expected at restaurants.

  • +5

    Why Tipping Should Be Banned: http://youtu.be/q_vivC7c_1k

  • I personally hate tipping i will only if i feel service has been very good. this person has gone out of there way for me. other then that no i never i hate new car system that make you tip. has staff member is stand there. i find it very rude.

    • Yes, this ^^^ !!!

  • it seems that the majority of people resent tipping if it is either an expectation or is forced on them like with the eftpos machines.
    Sounds pretty counter productive (for tipping) to me.
    My experience is sometimes different. If we are with friends, many will pay a tip regardless and expect us to do the same. I of course do not agree and will not tip if there was something about the service that I didnt like.

  • +4

    When I use to work in customer service I always thought that tipping would only give people an even higher sense of entitlement to tell me how to do my job.

    The only person I want to tell me how to do my job is my boss. Otherwise they will take advantage of things like saying can I have free sauce?, etc. I'm not saying sauce shouldn't be free but forcing me to choose between doing something my boss wouldn't want me to to get a tip and doing my job the way would want me to, to keep my job just makes turns me right off the idea.

    Plus I like to treat people how they treat me and I can't be rude to them back if I'm relying on a tip :P

  • +14

    I hate tipping and refuse to do it. If I give exceptional service in my job I certainly don't get a tip, so just because you've become a waiter or other hospitality worker you're entitled to a tip?

    Furthermore. Good service should be the norm, not the exception that gets rewarded with a tip. If I dine at Maccas I pay low prices for crap food. If I dine at the Rockpool I pay extraordinary prices for slightly better food. It is expected to tip at the Rockpool (has the tipping line on the Visa docket). At $116 for a steak which isn't that great I'm not paying any extra for having it served to me. Don't care if the waiter cartwheels or makes me animal balloons at the table. I expect the waiters at Rockpool get paid better than Maccas staff. They chose the job. The Rockpool chose the staff based on experience and maybe qualifications of some sort. Tipping should not be expected on top of that. Like in days of old, they should simply serve clients to the best of their ability with a smile and knowledge of the food. It's their job.

    On top of that - here in WA food is abhorrently expensive for very crap quality. I pay far less for a meal in Melbourne that is of higher quality. I'm certainly not going to pay even more than I do already.

    I basically call tipping a "hidden charge". It's like going on the Royal Caribbean cruise I went on last month. You pay your room rate, then at the end of the trip, even though you've bought no alcohol or other extras, you get lumped another $500 "Gratuity". Now, don't get me wrong, we read the fine print and knew it was coming but for god's sake why not just make the room rate $500 more??? It was like buying a car a few years back or a plane ticket. Hell even concert tickets have an admin fee that you HAVE to pay. Just make the damn ticket prices higher!

    Just sick of where all this is going. I want to know what I'm paying and that's it. I base my budget and what I do on a price without extras.

    Hell, I was in Holland last year. Now, this has been around for decades I think, but before it was only certain places now it's even in shopping centres and restaurants (even Maccas). You pay for the food. You pay for the alcohol, then when you need to take a leak, even though you've eaten there and spent money, YOU PAY TO TAKE A PISS. No joke.

    So I say no to any kind of extra charges for anything if I can.

    • +1

      Interesting. Yes I agree that this bolting on extras seems to be expanding into many industries.

      And it raises an interesting point in relation to restaurants. Many restaurants are struggling to make over 10% margin on their food after all expenses: Food, Wages, Rent,loans, Miscel.
      So the restaurant owner who takes all the risk is struggling to make 10% of his turnover. However the waiters that demand (and often get) 10% are making that same or similar money on the turnover, without having to take any risks and on top of that get paid $20 per hour. Why would you be a restaurant owner? the tipping amounts to a form of profit sharing in this scenario (50% to the owner and 50% to the waiter)
      Now I know many of you will dispute that most waiters are getting 10% , but I believe that in the more expensive, trendy restaurants they are!.

    • +1

      "YOU PAY TO TAKE A PISS. No joke"

      LOL ..big time surprise for me as well, especially in Germany where you pay for recycling fee..sometimes it ended up "paying to piss" is more expensive than buying a bottle of water especially in tourist area..

    • YOU PAY TO TAKE A PISS. No joke.

      But.. are their toilets cleaner than ours?

      Genuine question - I've never been to Europe. I wanna know lol.

      • Not necessarily , I have been to several pay toilets in Europe and Asia that have someone standing there to collect the money and some have been pretty dirty. The intention is that the person cleans to earn the money but in some tourist areas they have you over a barrel. That being said toilets only get really dirty when people use them incorrectly (ie standing on seats , incorrect aim).

      • +1

        In most cases yes, they are cleaner, in some…no. Basically there are companies that JUST clean toilets. They tender to have the washroom service at these places. Then charge a fee. (It started a decade or so at about 10 Euro cents, last time I went it was 50 Euro cents (70c AU)).

        So basically instead of paying staff to clean the toilets, establishments GET PAID by these cleaning companies, and the cleaning companies make money from people doing their natural thing they need to do. WIN-WIN for them. Big time LOSE for patrons.

        I think it's disgusting. Using facilities is not a luxury, it's a basic human need. Can't wait till people start charging for oxygen.

        Just seems companies are doing less and less to actually look after their clients, and more and more to maximise profits. Bring back the 60s at this point.

        In the early 80s when I pulled up at a service station they used to come up and fill my car. I wonder if a petrol station would have MORE patrons if they brought back drive-through fuel?

      • Think of the times you stepped into a filthy toilet in Australia. That does not happen in Europe toilets where you pay. Also think about an abundance of public toilets whenever you need them. More access to toilets in Europe. I had no problem paying. It's how they make their money.

        • Just because some establishments here do not correctly look after their facilities, does NOT make it OK to go to a European system. I did not find more access to toilets compared to here at all, but that may be your experience and I won't argue that.

          I firmly believe that if you own a restaurant or bar, where patrons are there for a period of 2-4 or more hours, eating your food and drinking your alcohol, then they will NEED to use the facilities likely multiple times. Now making people pay for food and drinks is obviously OK, but then extorting more money out of them to relieve themselves (and make more room for more food and drinks) is a load of crap.

          I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I can't find it OK that people excuse establishment owners laziness in keeping their facilities clean to condone paying to use the toilets.

          These days there are SO many things NOT OK they've become the norm because they are common.

          The correct answer to the dirty toilet issue is the owner of the establishment needs to keep the toilet clean. You inform him/her the toilet is dirty OR pay with your wallet and don't use that establishment again (or both).

          Solving the problem by throwing money at it by the patrons is covering up the real problem.

        • @Ramrunner: have you been to the usa? Most toilets are single occupancy, not uncommon for a single toilet in the bathroom at an art gallery, or a queue of people lining next to diners in a restraunt waiting for a toilet that someone is taking 15 minutes in.

        • @grasstown: I have been to the USA, yes. Now to be fair it was 2004 so over a decade ago and things may have changed. Did not notice the single occupancy thing. Most places we went had multiples just like here.

          But, even if you're right for the sake of argument, what does that have to do with the whole conversation? First they were filthy, now there's only one of them.

          But what does that have to do with my belief that the owner of the establishment is responsible for keeping the toilet clean? And even if you're happy to pay for someone else to do it, what is the difference if the toilet is single occupancy or multiple?

          I just don't understand your point?

          EVEN IF there was a cleaning company there and it was single occupancy, and they insisted to clean the toilet after very visit, wouldn't the queue be even longer?

        • @Ramrunner: Dont worry , I don't even know my point. But we were talking about the pros and cons of the European toilet system - 2 pros being clean and plentiful

        • @grasstown: Why did I just read this? o.O I never use public toilets. I have a shy bladder.

        • @Jar Jar Binks: they have stalls. you should carry a boom box around with you if it's the sound thing

        • @grasstown: I can't even remember why I don't use public restrooms. Its been so long since I've been in one. I once chose to piss myself rather than use a public toilet. I remember it quite vividly.I was 6.
          I might take my son down to the ones on Mentone beach after work. It will be our father-son bonding experience of the week :)

        • @Jar Jar Binks: Oh dear, I must admit I too avoid the gym toilets for that reason

    • Showing my age here but back in the 60's Cox Foys and Myer in Adelaide charged to use their toilets (im sure there were others)

  • +3

    I reckon asking for tips in Australia is just business trying to get extra profit doing nothing, and exploiting on Aussie's generosity. Our wages here is a lot higher than in US for example, no excuse to ask for more tips especially dining out on the weekend (they get paid penalty rate anyway). I don't mind tip based on "keep the small change", but not adding percentage on the bill..

  • +3

    Doesn't Australia's customer service rank pretty low comparatively? It seems very few people deserve tips.

    I wouldn't want this to be like the U.S. where employees essentially depend on the generosity of customers to pay their wage, that's what the employer is for.

  • There are two situations where I will pay over the amount.

    • When the amount is a small enough amount and it's not worth waiting for the change. So if the bill was $50+ I may not worry about the silver coin change.

    • When in a large group and you all put in just over the divide and you get maybe less than $1 per person back.

    Apart from that I usually just pay on card these days.
    Tipping in the US is different though.
    Your waiter will actually look after you. They will get you drinks straight away and topup your soft drinks throughout the meal.

    • +1

      In US is varied case by case, some waiters do not care because they get tip anyways. Its their dining etiquette. If you dont tip, better not come back to that place in the near future..

      Personally, i think $15-$20 tip is too much for a $100 meal, $10 and you get free unwanted nicknames.. I'd rather starve

  • +2

    No tipping. You get paid for your job by your employer and that's the end of it. I've traveled across the US and never had anything better than average (albeit friendly) service. This includes $200+ per person meals. Tipping does not benefit the employee or the customer.

    • A friend who worked in watt modern dining in newfarm, brisbane about 15 years ago was paying his groceries for the week with his weekend tips. It certainly benefited him.

      • Sure, until it gets factored into his wage.

  • +2

    Tip by cents to exert dominance over poor service.
    No tips for good service, employer already paid for.
    Maybe leave a card that says 'you have been Ozbargained' before leaving.

  • I don't think tipping is necessary in Australia.. but I do it sometimes if I have pizza delivered late at night or if the store it was coming from is far away.. I think tipping when you visit a 2nd/3rd world country is common courtesy. Meals for just $2-3 I think a $0.25 - $1.00 tip is reasonable.

    • +1

      Pizza delivery, the one service I always tip.

      There is little money/profit for the store, so the delivery drivers gets minimum + their own cost

      • Plus that job would be so lonely driving on a car or bike for work, making sure you need to meet deadlines for arrival and working late hours..

  • +8

    I rarely tip in Australia.

    To me, it's demeaning to the worker; like "here, peasant, take these crumbs from your Lord and Master for your excellent grovelling". Completely un-Australian.

    Exceptions: people who I think are doing a crappy, badly-paid minimum wage job, e.g. pizza delivery kids. But never, ever "keep the change" for an insulting amount. $10, maybe $20 if I'm in a good mood. Gives them something to smile about, and hey, I wouldn't drive over to their place at 11:00 p.m. to deliver a pizza for $10.

    • +1

      I agree! Forcing workers to rely on tips to make a reasonable income feels inhumane…

  • +10

    I disagree with tipping in principle. They're not beggars. They're doing their job and should be paid by the employer a fair wage. The American system is completely broken.

    • +2

      It's far worse in the USA than you may think.

      Restaurant/fast food employers are required to pay waiters no less than the minimum wage (currently $USD7.25/hour) BUT THEIR TIPS ARE INCLUDED. You can't live on $7.25 without government food stamps.

      If your tips don't exceed $7.25/hour, your employer still has to pay you the legal minimum … but you'll get fired the next day. You must cost your employer NOTHING.

      It gets even more appalling. In deeply fundamentalist Christian areas, instead of a tip you might receive what looks like a bank note, but on the reverse there's a Bible tract with stuff like "some things are better than money" - see http://imgur.com/Gmq7q for an example.

      • It gets even more appalling. In deeply fundamentalist Christian areas, instead of a tip you might receive what looks like a bank note, but on the reverse there's a Bible tract with stuff like "some things are better than money" - see http://imgur.com/Gmq7q for an example.

        Reminded me of this story

  • +1

    I wonder if the OP is doing some Honours Paper or something. "The effects of congregation of similar people and the decisions they make become the same". lol.

    The hypothesis would be:
    Post this question on Bargain Website and pretty much everybody will object to giving a tip. However if you post this question on a regular forum people will be around 50/50 in regards to it. If you post this question on a more higher luxurious website then more people will say "yes give tips" sort of like posting it on Vogue.

    Haha would be a very interesting study to run!

    • +3

      Theres a quite a few forums that discuss this topic - Whirlpool being Australian example and the general tone is similar to this thread.

      It's an employer's responsibility to pay correctly.

      Tipping isn't exactly a fair system either as some staff member that are left out (because they're not present at time of payment) or because of their looks.

      • +1

        Yes its the employers responsibility to pay correctly.
        However the industry is set up so that you get low pay but rely on tips.
        There isn't many other industries which are set up like that, sadly its a long tradition which doesn't look like its going to break soon.

        Its interesting though, when people purchase services there is usually stuff like "Normal Package", "Luxury Package", "Premium Package" and they all have different prices one being more expensive than the other.

        Waiting a table is similar to that, normal service = no tips, premium service = tips. Their service is what you are paying for.

        Would be interesting if the restaurant did this:
        1. No tip = you go pick up your dish from the counter and bring it to your table
        2. tip = you get somebody to bring the dish to your table
        3. more tip = they bring it to your table, and tell you how to enjoy your meal and whats a good way of eating the dish (e.g. service of some fine dining restaurants).

        • How is the industry set up that way? The minimum wage you earn is the same as you'd earn in any other industry in Australia.

  • In recent times I have been shocked at the introduction in restaurants of the credit card terminal that specifically asks for you to enter a tip.

    It might have something to do with Pin being enforced for credit card transactions. With the signature option, you get an invoice and you can write the tip there. The Pin system means they need to ask / inform you to enter the tip. Generally, it is known that the Pin system is not good for restaurants. When you ask someone for a tip, it could have a negative effect.

    In Australia, tip is optional. I normally prefer to tip in cash (coz. I think the waiters distribute the tip at the end of the day). Bosses and managers care more about you order more food, waiters do care about tip.

  • +1

    How about hotels? Am I supposed to tip the porter?

  • Australia is the most expensive country in the world, you have to earn 100k+ just to eat out every now and again (and not after having kids). We can not afford to tip.

    • If that's the case, then that's not a tipping/hospitality wage issue.

  • +2

    I recall that on our last trip to the US, at our timeshare and all the hotels we stayed at, there were envelopes provided for tipping the maid who serviced the room.
    I did complain about this to the timeshare management. Since we already had to pay yearly maintenance fees, plus a $75 housekeeping fee for our two week stay, why should we be forced to tip extra?
    Hence we kept the Do Not Disturb sign on the door and I kept the room tidy myself.
    The tipping envelopes are apparently a standard practice nowadays in the US. What's next, are we supposed to tip the postman delivering our mail and the weekly collector for the rubbish? Will they also present us with envelopes to fill?

    • +5

      "hey, thanks for mugging me. Here's your tip."

      • +1

        Make sure to also tip the policeman when he arrests you for a DUI offense.

        • how would you tip your executioner?

        • "What do you tip a chamber maid?"

          *"Newscaster: Authorities exposed today, that the latest suspect in the smog strangling was apprehended this week on an unrelated charge, but somehow managed to escape from the police car, in which he was being held. Tobias Lehigh Nagy, who is also wanted in connection with a series of unrelated slains in the North West is still at large, his whereabouts unknown. He's described as 5'5" bald and reputedly a very generous tipper."

        • the tip I give to the policeman is "have a good day Officer and do not go having an accident or anything like that".

          90% of the time they are too dumb to pick up on what I am saying or they just glower at me.

    • Life summed up by Seinfeld <3

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sgWFFOEHaQ

    • These envelopes for house keeping are definitely prevalent in Hawaii.

  • Working in hospitality, it's nice to receive tips. Hospitality is tiring work. When you receive a tip, it means someone has enjoyed the experience that you have them, so receiving a tip is also validating.

    If you can afford to tip, why not? Better yet, if you can afford to tip, why not give your money to someone who isn't as fortunate as I am to have a job that pays well or a home. Give your money to a street begger who needs it enough to ask.

    • +2

      Why not indeed! It is your choice and there is nothing stopping you from doing this- I never criticize others for doing it. We all have our ways of making ourselves feel good.
      But it is the expectation of a tip that is irksome- and usually though not always, the waiter who has provided you with "just adequate"service that is more likely to expect a tip.
      Those that are extremely good at their job, do it because they love it and the interaction with the customers. They are genuine in their efforts to help you. They get satisfaction from their job. That is their "reward". Of course because they are genuinely good at their job, they get paid better and customers like the interaction with them, and so would more often tip them because they want to. But not because they make them feel obliged to.
      Any "attitude"from a waiter is counter productive with me, and is the surest way not to get a tip. I think many feel the same way, although not all.
      Just like employees are individuals so are customers. each customer is different and to expect a tip just because the guy on the next table gave them a tip is wrong. Havent we all been at a restaurant where the waiter has a great rapport with the table close by, but your service is just ok? Clearly the service to you versus the other table is different. Should both tables tip the same amount? Same waiter, same food, same environment, yet very different experience….

  • +1

    Its up to the employer to pay their employees what they are worth. Working in hospitality doesnt necessarily mean these people are earning less then the average person in our country. We are already being overcharged,so why should we add unnecessary expenses ontop of that.

    My only form of tipping is rounding a bill up to the next $5 mark and avoiding loose change. Or better yet I will have loose change to get rid of and get a note in return.

    I have 2 young kids, rent, a car loan, bills etc. So im not really in a position where i can be just giving away money. If I was wealthy and didnt have many responsibilities im sure I would be less concerned with wasting a few extra bucks.

    That said the dearest 'restaurant' i will go to is at a club or pub. I would never pay over $30 for a meal. I can't justify that sort of money for a meal.

  • +3

    1) I think most of the people who been to US agrees their tipping system sucks. Hard for consumer and is caused by a distorted wage system. There is no winner there.

    2) i lived in Hong Kong for a long time. There a 10% service surcharge and is compulsory to 80% of proper restaurants and is automatically added to the bill. Yeah consumer get used to it, also the serving staff. In a lot of times the level of service is just acceptable, as the serving people knows that they will get some anyway.

    3) Compare to Japan, there is no norm of tipping. Only a very small portion of fine dine charges some service charge. From my experience, on average the service level is so good that I want to tip them myself.

    Tipping should be a choice, not a norm or a practice,
    Also don't forget any tip is pure profit. In a $100 bill the restaurant may make, say 40% —> $40. But a 10% tip they made $10 out of nothing extra in terms of material cost and labour cost. Tell me that is fair when tipping is compulsory..

  • +1

    What makes hospitality so special in this country that they get tips? Why not retail/the garbo/the lady at the library who helps you find special books. Or for that matter those in hospitality like the glassie / dish pig / yardie that also go to ensuring a decent experience.

    I hate tipping with a passion - it feels very confronting to me, almost like a sense of superiority handing over money to the minions. In america I'd simply explain that I wasn't sure what the go was and have a table/hand full of money and say take what you think is normal for good service.

    • This is Australia. You are not required to tip.

      If you are a regular customer to a restaurant and known to not tip, you may not get the best service, because the staff have no incentive to go beyond the standard service.

      If you are satisfied with standard service, don't tip it's generally fine.

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