Nexus 6 and 9 with Android 5.0 Lollipop and Nexus Player

ozhunter on 16/10/2014 - 03:31
Last edited 22/10/2014 - 00:24

New line of Nexuses(?) have been announced. Nexus 6 is a phone with a 5.92inch display. Nexus 9 is a 8.9inch tablet.

Nexus 6 specs It's not cheap this time around with the 32GB model priced at US $649, which is probably going to be $700 here. It has dual front face speakers.

Nexus 9 specs Starts at US $399, which like previous Nexus is likely to be $50 dearer here.

Nexus 9 is now available. The 16GB is $479 and the 32GB is $589 with an additional $20 delivery fee. 32GB LTE model is $719

Nexus Player This is a media player very similar to the Amazon Fire Tv in that it has voice search on the remote and a controller to play android games.

Android 5.0 Lollipop Full Changelog

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Comments

  • Blugok on 16/10/2014 - 07:33
    +10

    The price is a huge jump from previous Nexus phones

    • ozhunter on 16/10/2014 - 10:43

      Yea, the size and price compared to its predecessors will surely put people off. Even though I might not get it, I'm glad it's a high end phone this time in all areas.

      • scrimshaw on 16/10/2014 - 14:43
        +4

        I guess they will probably keep the Nexus 5 and continue to sell it? Unless the demand for N5 has tapered down because of how old it's getting and people are making the move to bigger phones.

        Sadly a bigger pocket doesn't always correlate to a bigger budget…

        • ozhunter on 16/10/2014 - 21:27

          I guess they will probably keep the Nexus 5 and continue to sell it?

          I think so too, which is why they made the Nexus 6 a phablet.

        • ProspectiveDarkness on 16/10/2014 - 21:53

          @ozhunter:

          I'm clinging to the hope that they'll update it in either six months (and stick to a Samsung-like 6 month release cycle for the phone/phablet), or in a year's time.

      • nikey2k27 on 17/10/2014 - 12:21
        +6

        i am with you it to big i pesonal love my Nexus 5 phone. it one best phone i have owned. price is only 399 half price of iphone.

        • EnALup on 18/10/2014 - 08:56

          Waiting for the latest update of OS on Nexus 5 now :)

  • tds on 16/10/2014 - 07:59
    +1

    Was trying to hang out for the 6 but purchased a one plus. Glad I did as that price is almost double the nexus 5 or one plus. Regardless.. I still want one :P

  • Shaw on 16/10/2014 - 08:18
    +13

    What is the obsession with bigger and bigger phones? The Nexus 5 is the perfect size personally, having to use two hands for basic operations really defeats the purpose, and I don't have small hands.

    Isn't that what a tablet is for?

    • ozhunter on 16/10/2014 - 10:45

      What is the obsession with bigger and bigger phones?

      Because most things you do on a phone a better with a bigger display and the larger phones have larger batteries.

      • Shaw on 16/10/2014 - 11:42

        I'm not sure how texting/messaging/calling/simple web browsing/listening to music are better with a bigger display…

        • ozhunter on 16/10/2014 - 12:12

          Well all those things seem to benefit from a larger battery which is a big factor for many people.

          Simple or (advanced?) web browsing, viewing and editing photos, watching videos, games, email, ebooks, and most apps involve looking at the screen.

          Obviously there's a limit on when it gets too big, which is why there's still smaller phones around. It would of been good if they made a smaller version like Apple and Sony.

        • Shaw on 16/10/2014 - 18:57
          -1

          @ozhunter:

          I would personally consider all of those activities tablet activities, not something I would do on the train to work, for example.

          Email is not battery intensive.

          I get about 4 - 5 hours of screen on time with my Nexus 5, and that is with Wifi/4G/Brightness medium-high, android L has made a nice increase in that.

          Obviously this is all just my personal opinion, but I still see no need to make a PHONE larger than 5", it really isn't a PHONE after that point, it becomes one of those phablet things, or just a network attached tablet?

        • brotherfranciz on 18/10/2014 - 16:46

          @ozhunter:

          Larger phone means larger screen, which requires more power, so I'm not sure that a larger battery equates to longer battery life…

          Also, the powerful processor coupled with the larger screen will probably encourage you to play more games on it, which means using up battery power even more quickly.

      • oringal on 18/10/2014 - 01:33

        Google needed a reference phone for the upcoming phablet category that is currently breaking into the market. They're still keeping the nexus 5, as that is the reference phone for the 5" size.

    • retiredfeline on 16/10/2014 - 23:23

      When my friend bought a now-ancient bargain ZTE phablet, I jokingly called it the ghetto blaster.

    • [Deactivated] on 17/10/2014 - 11:24

      Yeah I agree, I don't like the direction. I assume that a 'phone' is more of a multimedia device nowadays, so it's better with a bigger screen.

      However with the bigger screen, it also doesn't come with Multi Window, like the Samsungs… which is sucks.

      My perfect phone: http://amigotips.wordpress.com/2014/09/27/opinion-the-perfec…

    • p1 ama on 17/10/2014 - 14:50
      +3

      What is the obsession with bigger and bigger phones?

      Meaningless specifications.

      Just like what is the obsession with putting more and more CPU cores in a phone and more and more RAM?

      But on a more serious note though, I think people who buy these larger phones want to replace both their phone and tablet with the one device, which I can sort of understand. It's a compromise, you live with a larger phone, you live with a smaller tablet, but on the whole, it's cheaper, it's easier to manage, it's more convenient…etc. All part of the price you pay really.

      I think in the long run, we're going to see a lot of convergence from the devices we are carrying. Many people carry a phone, a tablet and a laptop to work. One of those devices has got to go. That's why people are going with phablets or those laptops with detachable tops which also function independently as tablets. You take out the middle guy.

      • ozhunter on 17/10/2014 - 15:08
        +1

        Well said.

  • bluedufflecoat on 16/10/2014 - 08:45
    +1

    US$650 for a 32GB phone is a huge jump from before, isn't it? :(

    • ozhunter on 16/10/2014 - 10:48
      +1

      Yea, the Nexus 4 and 5 were US$350 for the 16GB model. Though this phone does have dual led flash, dual front facing speakers, OIS, direct updates which still make it likely to be better than any flagship phone if you're ok with the size.

    • exp1 on 16/10/2014 - 23:07

      The price is higher but the build quality will be better on the nexus 6 because it's built by Motorola, it has a grrat track record with android hardware. Also it's water resistant:

      http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/10/15/the-motorola-nexus-6…

  • HAL on 16/10/2014 - 08:59
    +7

    All I wanted was a Nexus 5 with a bigger battery…

    $649?!? Google has killed the dream… I'm glad the OPO is around…

    On a side note the Nexus 5 is still the same price (on google play)

    • SupeNintendoChalmers on 17/10/2014 - 09:46

      where can you get an invite for this fabled OPO?

    • [Deactivated] on 17/10/2014 - 14:07
      +1

      A quick solution for that would be just buying an external battery pack…

      that's how I've coped anyhow.

    • sane on 17/10/2014 - 15:04
      +1

      With Volta on 5.0 the tests show a Nexus 5 lasting 30% longer (2 hours ArsTechnica says).

      Thus, once Lollipop rolls out, it's as if you have a 3000mAh battery in the N5.

  • striker5950 on 16/10/2014 - 10:55

    it seems that they used the same camera from the moto x 2014 version on the nexus 6 but they added optical image stabilization, the moto x 2014 version had an average camera, not as good as the top notch camera offered on the z3, do you guys think that the nexus 6 would at least have a better camera with the added optical image stabilization?
    also i'm sure it will be north of AUD$700 for the 32gb delivered. one good thing though is that they removed the shitty 16 gig.
    we will have to wait and see the reviews of the battery life, since the screen is so much bigger and higher res..

    • ozhunter on 22/10/2014 - 09:45

      But the biggest thing (besides the screen, of course) to get excited about with the Nexus 6 is the camera. We'll obviously need to spend a lot more time with it to give it a proper review, but at first blush the 13-megapixel setup here is wildly better than last year's Nexus. The shutter is instant and the results — if only on this bright AMOLED screen — are really solid.

      No full reviews yet, but sounds promising.

      Verge

  • wukachuka on 16/10/2014 - 11:29
    +2

    Now they are going to find out that if the price is too close to other big brands, people will just pay the difference and go with the big brands instead of nexus.

    • ozhunter on 16/10/2014 - 11:33

      I think only because it is advertised as much or as widely available.

  • striker5950 on 16/10/2014 - 11:54
    +4

    i should have bought a one plus one for $340 delivered few weeks ago from that ebay deal, that was an awesome deal

    • ntt on 17/10/2014 - 00:14
      +1

      me too, now I regret :(.

  • ProspectiveDarkness on 16/10/2014 - 12:19
    +4

    I'll definitely be picking up that Nexus 9, it looks great.

    • Ramrunner on 18/10/2014 - 11:00

      Just pre-ordered it myself from Amazon. I know, pretty keen right? Can't find the optional keyboard cover at Amazon though. I've had to shoot them an email. Obviously I'd like both to ship together if possible.

  • ygyf on 16/10/2014 - 12:52

    Although I have no problem operating Nexus 5 with one hand. But I am still using Nexus 4. A phone is a phone, it shouldn't be a burden to carry around. A 5.9 inch phone for me has lost it's mobility… it's no longer a "mobile" phone…

  • Unorthodox on 16/10/2014 - 19:52
    +3

    Don't think I'll get either…

    The big screen does appeal but the price really kills it for me… I'll wait until One Plus Two

    Nexus 9:
    2GB RAM is a let down considering they added 64-bit. Would have liked some future proofing.

    16GB with no expandable storage is disappointing too.

    • Ramrunner on 18/10/2014 - 11:00

      I ordered the 32Gb version from Amazon

      • Unorthodox on 18/10/2014 - 21:23

        How's Amazon warranty?

        32gb is tempting but the price (It's on preorder at Google Play) is too daunting and I'm still waiting to see the pricing on the keyboard.

        • Ramrunner on 19/10/2014 - 01:57
          +1

          I read the terms before I bought and apparently the first 30 days are covered by Amazon warranty (DOA period), then the HTC GLOBAL warranty kicks in. So hopefully it doesn't have problems in the first 30 days as you'd have to send it back to Amazon but I know HTC warranty is covered in the Eastern States from my days as a Telstra dealer having to send HTC Desire handsets back when a certain version of motherboards in those units overheated.

          Oh, and I paid $487.97 for the 32Gb version on Amazon including shipping. The Google Play one is showing up now at $589 so perhaps try Amazon?

        • Unorthodox on 22/10/2014 - 10:02

          @Ramrunner:
          Thanks a bunch!

  • ProspectiveDarkness on 16/10/2014 - 22:12
    +2

    New images of the Nexus 9

    Never thought I'd say this, but the white model doesn't look too bad. I'll still probably go for black, but I wish it had the same lighter silver-coloured frame as the white model. Also not a fan of the way the plastic back meets the aluminium sides… I'd prefer a look closer to the Note 4, but ah well.

    I'm now a bit concerned about the price - if it ends up being iPad-level, I might end up just going for a Surface Pro or something.

  • BlazinPast on 16/10/2014 - 23:11

    Seems like its vertical height is equivalent to the iphone 6 plus despite it having a 0.5 inch screen size advantage. Its thicker than the iphone 6 plus though.

    Still too big for me though. I was hoping for a price drop on the nexus 5 but don't think it's going to happen then. Guess I'll have to wait for the next ebay 15% off sale and buy it.

    However the Nexus 9 looks amazing for the price. Boom speakers too. Looks very elegant.

  • huydn on 16/10/2014 - 23:19
    -4

    If the rumours about pricing are correct then finally this year, when the N6 is released at the RRP, it will no longer be considered a deal!

    • huydn on 18/10/2014 - 02:04
      +1

      Yeah right, feel free to neg me haha. See how many of you will buy it then. $650 in the us means at least 700-750 AUD, don't forget the weak AUD conversion rate right now. Then add delivery on top and you're looking at a flagship phone just like every other brand has. N6 = early android update and that's it. NO DEAL :D

      edit: I own an N5, just for the record.

  • meatgasm on 17/10/2014 - 02:34
    +1

    I know, but that wont stop me posting it (or trying). Then ill let ozbargain decide if its worth it or not.

  • kdtrey35 on 17/10/2014 - 06:31

    Lets hope ebay gives us another 15% off deal

  • sauce2k on 17/10/2014 - 07:58
    +1

    Very disappointed . Waited so long for the nexus6 and now it's a brick phone that's bigger than the 6 and OPO… Sad

  • bin555 on 17/10/2014 - 11:26

    Anyone know if it has a stylus or can be used for note taking like galaxy note 4?

    • striker5950 on 17/10/2014 - 14:29
      +1

      nope, dont think so, than pen you see in the background on the nexus blog is a real pen lol

  • ozbargainer88 on 17/10/2014 - 14:54
    +3

    A bit disappointing that Google have increased the price so much for a Nexus phone but it is fair imo. N6 has killer specs and really no drawbacks (still waiting for reviews though). With the N4 and N5 we were given a pretty poor battery and average camera. If you compare it to a Note 4 or CrApple 6+ the price for specs is pretty good still.

    I'll be sticking with my N5 for now and update to Lollipop. I might consider a N6 later on.

    For those interested, the N6 size is very close to a One Plus One. You can print it out here https://pdf.yt/d/wIpIoC9B-CzO0rTd/download

    • ozhunter on 22/10/2014 - 09:45

      But the biggest thing (besides the screen, of course) to get excited about with the Nexus 6 is the camera. We'll obviously need to spend a lot more time with it to give it a proper review, but at first blush the 13-megapixel setup here is wildly better than last year's Nexus. The shutter is instant and the results — if only on this bright AMOLED screen — are really solid.

      No full reviews yet, but sounds promising.

      Verge

  • misu p on 17/10/2014 - 15:40

    The Nexus 6 made me pull the trigger :) I just bought a OnePlus one :).

    • Unorthodox on 17/10/2014 - 20:44

      I have a nexus 5 and I want a One Plus :( guess I'll wait until One Plus Two and hope it doesn't disappoint…

  • kdtrey35 on 18/10/2014 - 01:02
    +1

    Dimensions for similar devices

    one plus one : 152.9 x 75.9 x 8.9 mm (162g)

    Galaxy note 4 : 153.5 x 78.6 x 8.5 mm (176g)

    Iphone 6 plus : 158.1 x 77.8 x 7.1 mm (172g)

    Nexus 6 : 159.3 x 83.0 x 10.1 mm (184g)

  • p1 ama on 18/10/2014 - 11:10

    To be honest, I'm disappointed with the Nexus 6. I loved the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 because they really were no BS phones. I don't need a good camera, I have a camera. I don't need good battery life, I carry a charger with me and charge my phone every night. I don't need a massive screen or great performance, it's not like I'm reading the newspaper on my phone or encoding videos on it.

    I just need a good enough phone for a good enough price tag, which the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 were perfect for. They weren't the best phones, but they were reliable and good phones with nice price tags that showed what we could do if we stripped off all the unnecessary baggage from the top-end phones.

    • HAL on 18/10/2014 - 15:42
      +6

      "I don't need good battery life" - I must admit first time I have heard that… :P

      The battery life on my Nexus 5 annoys me… I have an external battery charger but its really a pain to carry around.

      • p1 ama on 18/10/2014 - 17:27
        -1

        Really?

        Do you work at a desk or on a computer? If so, just always keep it plugged in.

        Too many of us just aren't used to keeping things plugged in. That's always my mantra, keep things plugged in when possible.

        When I drive, my phone is always plugged into my car charger. When I'm at my desk, my phone is always plugged into my computer. When I go to sleep, my phone is always plugged into my charger. When I'm out and about and I don't need my phone, I put it into my bag and connect it to my laptop and it charges the phone even when the laptop is in standby.

        I don't understand how battery life is an issue, it's not like we're in the middle of nowhere, everywhere we are has power. You could probably charge your phone at McDonalds as you're eating if you really run out that quickly.

        • ozhunter on 18/10/2014 - 17:40
          +2

          That sounds like an unnecessary hassle. I rather just have a phone with a battery that will last all day.

        • p1 ama on 18/10/2014 - 18:27
          -1

          @ozhunter:

          Well you can't have everything right? At the end of the day, it's a compromise between 4 things - functionality, battery life, size and low cost, you can pick three.

          Cost is important to me - I don't have that much to spend on a phone. That's the most important. Size is also important to me, I don't want to carry a phablet or any of those huge phones. Functionality is the third most important thing. So I guess battery life is out for me.

          Just a matter of preference of what you choose. I'm sure some peoplw would choose other combinations.

          E.g.

          Functionality + Battery Life + Low Cost = Massive phones from China
          Battery life + Size + Low Cost = 2004 Nokia
          Functionality + Battery Life + Size = Expensive Phablets from Samsung and Sony

    • ozhunter on 22/10/2014 - 09:44

      But the biggest thing (besides the screen, of course) to get excited about with the Nexus 6 is the camera. We'll obviously need to spend a lot more time with it to give it a proper review, but at first blush the 13-megapixel setup here is wildly better than last year's Nexus. The shutter is instant and the results — if only on this bright AMOLED screen — are really solid.

      No full reviews yet, but sounds promising.

      Verge

  • raytriplej on 18/10/2014 - 11:32

    Nexus 5 out of stock on google play store.

  • Woodyg22 on 18/10/2014 - 11:36
    +4

    This should keep the resale price of my Nexus 5 up when I upgrade!

  • MrBillions on 19/10/2014 - 09:58

    I'm usually a nexus buyer but for my phone I'm going to stick with my oneplus one. Very happy with it and love the cyanogenmod. Nexus 7 2013 is also still good for another year until the next one comes out.

  • striker5950 on 20/10/2014 - 11:37

    if the nexus 9 pricing is any indication we can already tell that the nexus 6 will cost more compared to its US counterpart, nexus 9 starts at $399 and $499 USD, Australian pricing is $479 and $589 AUD, that's $80 mark-up,
    nexus 6 cost $649 and $699 USD, so it might translate to $729 and $799 AUD, factor in the 20 dollar shipping and you are looking at a $820 phone, holly $h!t..
    looking at it now the $340 delivered one plus was a freakin bargain!

    • huydn on 20/10/2014 - 13:35

      Exactly this. It's no different than any ohter phone you can get in the market with that price tag. No point buying a Nexus anymore other than the early updates. And it might just be another 'bargain' haha. Personally I'll just buy another replacement N5 battery in case it degrades too much and stay with the N5.

      • striker5950 on 20/10/2014 - 14:31

        or just get the one plus one, which is overall a better phone than the n5, cyanogenmod is actually pretty damn good, one plus one will definitely be getting the lolipop update, cyanogenmod is even better than stock android in some cases. hugely customizable, I have it on my s4, smooth as butter.

      • ProspectiveDarkness on 20/10/2014 - 16:43

        It's no different than any ohter phone you can get in the market with that price tag.

        Disagree. There is no other phone that has a QHD, ~6" display with 3GB of RAM and a Snapdragon 805 SoC for an initial local price of ~$800. Comparing apples to apples, no other phone of this status enters the market at ~$800. That's the price point of regular flagships like the Xperia Z and the Galaxy S5. Phones like the Note 4, iPhone 6+ are priced higher because they have higher specs. So you are still getting a discount, it's just not as drastic as before.

        Excuse the rant, but I get annoyed at how people take the Nexus 5 and the OnePlus One and hold them as standards to which the rest of the market then fail because they don't quite compare cost/value-wise. They are disruptive - the exception not the rule. Google and OPPO can do this because they aren't aiming to make a whole lot of money on their phones - and that just isn't sustainable for the OEM's. I'd argue that raising the price of the Nexus line was really the best option to prevent an all-round race to the bottom amongst the OEM's, like we've seen with Windows notebooks over the past decade. You are still getting a great phone in the Nexus 6, but now it's just a good price not a really great one.

        • striker5950 on 20/10/2014 - 22:13

          the reason nexus got so famous was because of its affordable price while offering some neat improvements each year starting with the nexus 4 than to nexus 5 while maintaining the same affordable price, now they done a major improvement yet they are charging double, just saying that it will loose many of its customers, yes its still way cheaper than an iphone 6 plus, but you have to look at it from where it was $400 to where it most likely will be $800.

          right now the one plus one takes the crown as the best bang for buck android smartphone. you can get 2 64gb one plus ones for the price of a nexus 6, qhd and an extra 0.5 inches might be considered negatives for some lol, qhd uses more battery, so does a bigger screen not to mention the larger size it self is a negative for some, camera on both seem to be the same, so a slightly newer processor the only differentiating factor I see really and that does not justify spending double of what you can get, 64gb OPO was $390, nexus 6 64gb $800+
          cyanogen mod is as good as android if not better because of its huge customizability, it might get released a month or two later than stock android updates, not really that big of a deal.

        • huydn on 20/10/2014 - 22:46

          But… do you really need 2k resolution on a 6" phone? Your eyes can only see so much. 2k is for 27" or larger monitors @@

          A 6" screen is certainly not for everyone. Nexus used to be aimed at a much wider market.

          And then do you really need 3GB RAM? 2GB RAM for a phone is kinda the sweet spot. Look at the RAM of iphones, it's not always about the highest spec you can squeeze into a phone, it's more like how you optimise the OS and apps to run efficiently.

          Fancy CPU and GPU? Again, Nexus did not need all that and still perform fairly well. And if Android 5.0 is really smoother and uses less battery, then N5 is more than enough for everyday use.

          N4 and N5 were much cheaper because they did not have the best hardware in the market. And you don't need them! N6 is way overkill.

        • ProspectiveDarkness on 20/10/2014 - 23:11

          @striker5950:

          You kinda missed the point. I realise that the Nexus 6 lost some of it's value to people because of the drastic increase in price, but it's hardly as bad as people as saying. I never said that the Nexus 6 was still the best band for buck Android smartphone going around, because it's not. But it's still cheaper than the immediate alternatives at that spec level. No, it's not dirt cheap like the OPO (I'll leave my thoughts on them unsaid), but it's still getting a discount. Whether some people might prefer a smaller screen and a lower res is irrelevant. These things are more expensive, so the phone is going to be more expensive. It's also worth mentioning that, yes the Nexus series became popular for being a great, cheap alternative, but that only happened with the Nexus 4. It's not like the Nexus 6 is breaking pattern - arguably, that was the Nexus 4 and 5 (exceptions, not the rules, as I said).

          Sure, it's not that great for us as consumers, but you can't just consider it from our perspective. Firstly, the Nexus 6 was always going to be more expensive because of it's increased spec level. And the spec level increase was necessary because the Nexus 6 is still, to some degree, a developer device - the phablet segment needs developer attention, and the Nexus 6 should help achieve that. Secondly, it needs to be more expensive to maintain fair competition. It's releasing on all the carriers in America this year, and they could hardly give a big middle finger to the OEM's and release a mainstream, dirt cheap phablet with the best specs on any phone out. Thirdly, I still maintain that this is a good thing, because it means the OEM's won't have to cut corners on their own devices to achieve a lower price point to compete. The pattern of the Nexus 4 and 5 was unsustainable because Google could just price them at cost (or thereabouts) because it didn't need the revenue from the hardware sales. OPO is desperate for brand recognition, and is also willing to take a drastic loss in revenue to get some. You can't use these as the standards from which to compare and judge the rest of the market, because other hardware manufacturers just can't compete with that. Again, they're disruptive exceptions, not the norm.

        • ProspectiveDarkness on 20/10/2014 - 23:26

          @huydn:

          It's not about whether or not you need these specs. This is the direction the market is going (bigger, higher res), and Google needed to put out a device to lead the pack and increase developer support of these devices - which has always been an aspect of the Nexus series, moreso than the hardware sales themselves.

          If you extend your argument, you'd argue that we should simply do away with the high spec tier devices simply because they're not aimed at the majority segment of people. Which is a bit ridiculous. Yes, they are more niche devices and that comes with a price tag. It's a shame for us as the majority customers who don't need it, but that's just what it is.

        • striker5950 on 21/10/2014 - 02:31

          @ProspectiveDarkness: I use the OPO as the standard because at the moment it offers the best bang for buck to me as a consumer, its not like im loyal to their brand or anything, OPO sells cheap to gain recognition yes so OPOs lost is my gain, if other manifacturers cant compete with that its their loss of consumers, again you were talking about all the specs of the nexus 6, lg g3 came out way before the n6 and it came with qhd and the lot, even that device was priced lower than the n6 at launch, google dropped the ball with their pricing and you will see that when the nexus 6 dosent sell as well as the previous iterations, i personally would get a z3 if i was spending $800 bucks lol, seems better in every way compared to n6, except cpu, screen is subjective..

        • ProspectiveDarkness on 21/10/2014 - 03:06

          @striker5950:

          Locally, the LG G3 released at $700 ($100 less) with a 5.5" display (0.4" smaller), 16GB internal storage (half that of the Nexus 6), 2GB of RAM (compared to the 3GB of the Nexus 6), a 3000mAh battery (compared to 3220mAh) and a Snapdragon 801 (compared to Snapdragon 805). So yes, it did release cheaper. But it's a notable step down in every aspect (bar the camera, which can't be compared yet). My point is, the Nexus 6 just isn't as bad a package as everyone makes out.

          I use the OPO as the standard because at the moment it offers the best bang for buck to me as a consumer

          We'll have to agree to disagree on that, then. I just don't think a disruptive, unsustainable entry to the market should be used as the benchmark.

          and you will see that when the nexus 6 dosent sell as well as the previous iterations

          Hardly a cut-and-dried comparison. There's lots of other factors at work than just price. A phablet is a niche device as it stands.

          i personally would get a z3 if i was spending $800 bucks lol, seems better in every way compared to n6, except cpu, screen is subjective..

          'Better in every way' is a bit of an exaggeration; the Nexus 6 has the very best specs available right now, bar none. The only thing the Xperia Z3 offers that the Nexus 6 doesn't is the IP68 rating, while the Nexus has twice the storage and the SoC going for it. RAM is the same, both cameras will probably end up average, battery is similar. Whether the display is subjective or not, a larger QHD display is objectively worth more than a smaller 1080p one. You can't deny that you get more from the Nexus 6 than you do the Xperia.

          Look, I'm not even buying the Nexus 6 myself, it's much too big for me. I'm just annoyed that the people are broadly painting the Nexus 6 in a bad light just because of the price. Yes it's a fair increase in price, but the device isn't bad as a result.

        • huydn on 21/10/2014 - 03:39

          @ProspectiveDarkness:

          We'll have to agree to disagree on that, then. I just don't think a disruptive, unsustainable entry to the market should be used as the benchmark.

          Why not? If they can afford to do it and still put food on their tables and their employees' tables, then I'm happy. In fact, I'm much happier to pay for those guys then pay what? $1000 for an Iphone or something at a HUGE margin. The people making them probably get paid the same lol.

          I get your point about N6 being a high-specced phone, it should be priced like that. BUT Nexus phones were never about that. Period. It worked great. Still works great. Why change something that isn't broken?

          Well argument aside, I can't see N6 selling very well. They might attract some new customers but Nexus owners will think like 10 times about getting the next Nexus. I can't see the point.

        • ProspectiveDarkness on 21/10/2014 - 04:09

          @huydn:

          Because I think it's an unrealistic standard. I mean, the company is within their rights to do it and can be praised for taking a risk to drive adoption, but how can you expect progress to continue if the market is stripped of profit? I don't want the phone market to end up as a race to the bottom with corners cut everywhere in order to pursue dirt cheap price points to maintain some level of profit. What I'm trying to say is that even though devices like the 1+1 and N4/5 were great deals, I don't think it's reasonable to expect the same out of every other manufacturer, or they'd all go bankrupt. I think Motorola's own lineup and pricing is the best at this point, with the Moto X at US$500 unlocked on release. It's not too expensive for a 5" flagship, it's not insanely cheap and it's a quality device from a trusted manufacturer.

          As for why the Nexus is now high specced, I think it's merely to drive support of development with phablets in mind. The Galaxy Note is now in its fourth generation and even Apple, who have adamantly stuck to tiny screens for the past several years, have a phablet out. So they're apparently here to stay, and I suppose Google wants to ensure it stays up to date.

          And I don't think the Nexus 6 will sell well either. At least unlocked. Remember, it's now launching on all US carriers and some (most?) of ours, so that'll play a part as well. I'm hoping they'll still update the Nexus 5 to retain the original customers (line myself), but who knows.

        • striker5950 on 21/10/2014 - 10:18

          @ProspectiveDarkness: lol you are comparing it directly to the n6 which is a huge mistake, g3 in the time of its release had the highest specs on an android smartphone, the n6 should atleast match that, and g3 was not 700, i remember preorders poping up on ozbargain close to 600 or 650 from HN.
          And the camera on the z3 will be superior u can belive that, not sure if you watched reviews on the z3 but their all praising the awesome camera and calling it the best android camera to date… The design is also superior, and looks better on the z3. Not to mention is is better known amongst consumers compared to nexus which only came along few years ago..

        • ProspectiveDarkness on 21/10/2014 - 17:00

          @striker5950:

          lol you are comparing it directly to the n6 which is a huge mistake, g3 in the time of its release had the highest specs on an android smartphone,

          True.

          the n6 should atleast match that

          It's a good thing it does then.

          and g3 was not 700, i remember preorders poping up on ozbargain close to 600 or 650 from HN.

          The first bargain I can find listed here that isn't grey market stock is $700 from Telstra. The next cheapest was $667 from Mobileciti a week or two later as a launch special. So $700 was its entry price as far as I'm concerned

          And the camera on the z3 will be superior u can belive that

          Opinions are divided on the Z3 camera… I don't think there's any kind of unanimous proclamation that it's the best camera out at the moment. The Verge, for example, said that 'it remained a source of frustration' thanks to the overzealous post-processing. If you can find a reputable source that pits it against the Note 4, LG G3, Galaxy S5 and HTC One and still calls it a win, then I'll reconsider.

          The design is also superior, and looks better on the z3

          Very much subjective.

          Not to mention is is better known amongst consumers compared to nexus which only came along few years ago..

          Not terribly relevant. Google's never made a point of advertising the Nexus line heavily (/at all).

        • striker5950 on 21/10/2014 - 17:22

          @ProspectiveDarkness:
          @ProspectiveDarkness:
          the n6 should atleast match that

          you said: It's a good thing it does then.

          I meant match it price wise not spec wise, and no it dosent match it price wise there is a big difference for charging $650 for a high end phone from a well known established brand, compared to nexus which has been around for few years and wants to charge $800 + delivery.. on release date.
          btw I just had a look around for the z3 and you can get it for $669 plus free delivery, the thing came out like 2 weeks ago. so the obvious winner is clear here
          if you really think about it you will know which will have better battery life and the better camera, the nexus 6 camera will most likey be the same moto x 13mp camera that has been reviewed as a very average camera in reviews, the n6 only has OIS added to the same camera its very obvious that the z3 will have the better camera over the nexus.
          so z3 has
          better camera
          im 95% sure it will have better battery life
          waterproof!
          sleeker design
          more manageable form factor (subjective agreed) about 2/3 of people agree with this from what ive been reading

          what the nexus has over the z3,
          bigger screen with qhd (could be a pro or a con based on the individual) i've mostly heard negatives though about a 6" screen, plus having a qhd on a 6" is wayy overkill and will kill battery faster, i rather have the already good enough 1080p with the same sized battery to run the phone for longer peroids..

          a bit faster cpu gpu, (not that we need it atm, never seen a phone lag with the 801 processor)
          and duel speakers

          so yeh z3 for $669 hands down the better buy.

          dwidigitalcameras

        • ProspectiveDarkness on 21/10/2014 - 18:00

          @striker5950:

          sigh. You keep writing off the QHD display as subjective and painting it in a negative light, but you fail to realise that it will contribute to a higher price tag. Phablets are, on average, more expensive - and with good reason, since the display is one of the more expensive components of the phone (especially in the case of AMOLED over IPS). Of course the Xperia is cheaper, it's using an average 1080p IPS display and a 6 month old SoC! Whether you want the Nexus 6's display or not, recognise that it commands a much higher price because it is intrinsically a higher specification.

          compared to nexus which has been around for few years and wants to charge $800 + delivery.. on release date.

          Motorola is the OEM behind the Nexus 6 - is it not established enough for you? Not that the Nexus series needs that backing, since it's from Google for crying out loud, and it's been around since January 2010. If 5 years and one of the biggest tech companies in the world aren't enough for you, I don't know what is. Not that any of this has any influence whatsoever on the price of the phone. Which, I will reiterate, is still better than any other phone in its immediate spec range (phablets).

          you can get it for $669 plus free delivery

          Local stock? Source please.

          if you really think about it you will know which will have better battery life and the better camera

          If you really think about it, you'd agree not to jump to conclusions and wait for reviews before proclaiming definitively what is better. As seen in the comparison Anandtech made between the Galaxy S5 and Galaxy S5 LTE-A, paired with the S805, the QHD display actually makes a lesser impact on battery life than one would think. Both the GPU and the WiFi modem are much more efficient on the S805. Android L has quite a few battery improvements as well as the Nexus 6 having a slightly higher battery capacity, so don't be too sure.

          what the nexus has over the z3

          Allow me to rephrase this section without all the subjective dismissal

          Major pro's / points of difference of the Nexus

          • A QHD 6" display. Which justifies a price hike over the Z3. Larger, less easily usable, sharper, better black levels and contrast. Might not be as colour accurate or as bright as the IPS display on the Z3.
          • A faster and more efficient SoC. Whether or not you think you need it is again, irrelevant.
          • Stock Android and instant updates. Particularly important due to the imminent L update and Material Design.
          • Non-fragile, non-slippery back material
          • Wireless charging
          • Double the storage

          Major pro's / points of difference of the Z3

          • Price
          • A 1080p 5.2" display. Smaller, easier to use, less cutting edge. Definitely won't have the deep blacks, viewing angles or contrast of the AMOLED display.
          • Some useful OEM additions
          • Possibly better camera. I'll concede this since Motorola sucks with cameras, but battery life is still very much uncertain.
          • Waterproof
          • Expandable storage

          Both have dual front facing speakers, 3GB RAM, LTE, NFC and all that other stuff.

          They each have their pro's and con's. It's fair enough to have a preference, but I think it's unreasonable to proclaim one outright better than the other when they're not even in the same size range. The Nexus 6 is a good deal for a phablet. If you don't want a phablet, obviously you're not going to think it's a good deal.

        • striker5950 on 21/10/2014 - 19:12

          @ProspectiveDarkness:
          [@ProspectiveDarkness]sigh. You keep writing off the QHD display as subjective and painting it in a negative light
          I first said it's subjective which it is, than I gave my own opinion about it, not sure why you failed to realize that :/

          even the best phablet in the business the note 4 has a 5.7 inch display so 6" no matter what you say is still too much, a 6 inch without the wide range of multitasking features and stylus offered by the note 4 is so useless unless you only use it to watch movies or games. I do realize the nexus 6's screen would cost a bit more than a 1080p screen but I was just saying how overkill it is on a small screen, you failed to understand that point too from my previous reply.

          the z3 I mentioned for $669 comes with 1 year warranty though not sure if its grey import or stock, I pasted the name of the business in my last post at the end incase you missed it here it is again(dwidigitalcameras), I cant link directly because its against the rules apparently.

          for google to suddenly double the price of their flagship phone is the only thing that is irritating, sony has been selling their phones for the same price and on every update improving features while maintaining the same price.

          a better example is the lg g2, when it came out it was cutting edge with the lattest specs, after 1 year the g3 was out with qhd (which in your opinion costs more therefore its completely ok to charge more money from the consumers) but no LG maintained the same price as their last iteration.
          so please explain to me how is it justifiable for google can charge double what they did with the n5?
          so why is it that LG can charge the same amount of money for their flagship (g3) the same ammount they did as their previous flagship phone(g2) while providing a phone with top specs in its timeline?

        • ProspectiveDarkness on 21/10/2014 - 20:03

          @striker5950:

          I was just saying how overkill it is on a small screen, you failed to understand that point too from my previous reply.

          I understand just fine, but that point is subjective - as is how useful a 6" display is. You're arguing from your own preferences and consistently ignore the objective point of view. I'm talking about specifications, component cost and margins, whereas you're talking from a consumer point of view - and a jaded one at that.

          so why is it that LG can charge the same amount of money for their flagship (g3) the same ammount they did as their previous flagship phone(g2) while providing a phone with top specs in its timeline?

          You're oversimplifying. It just wouldn't be feasible for Google to throw the Nexus 6 specs into the Nexus 5's price. The LG G2 also released at about $700. The Nexus 5 was $400. That's $300 extra leeway LG had with it's margins, and you're suggesting that Google should achieve the same when they made very little profit from each device to begin with. The increase in price might not be completely proportional to the increase in specs, but you can't deny that an increase was justified at some point. You seem to think that just because Google charged x amount for y device, that you're entitled to the same in the future.

          Also a contributing factor: LG manufactures their own displays, so they'd be able to acquire the QHD screen at a proportionally lower cost than Motorola could. Therefore, LG has even more leeway with their margins.

          Also, the Nexus 6 isn't double the price of the Nexus 5. At ~$800, the 6 comes with double the base storage of the $449 Nexus 5. 2x449 != 800.

          And I've already stated why I think it would be a bad thing for Google to continue with its ridiculously low margins.

          the z3 I mentioned for $669 comes with 1 year warranty though not sure if its grey import or stock

          If its from DWI, then it'll be imported stock.

          Put plainly, it seems like you (and the masses) are simply annoyed because Google had the gall to set an increased price for their brand new, different device. Look, I'm disappointed too. But you don't see me bitching about how unfair it is and how they should lower the price. You keep deviating from making the comparisons that matter: comparisons to the other phablets on the market. The Nexus 6 is the best priced phablet on the market and offers the best bang for buck for a phablet. No it's not the budget flagship it used to be, and the sooner people become accustomed to that, the better. It'd help if you stopped thinking of the Nexus 6 as a direct replacement to the Nexus 5. You don't consider the Note 4 to be a replacement to the Galaxy S5, or the iPhone 6+ a successor to the iPhone 5S, or the HTC One Max a successor to the M7 - because they're different classes of devices. Just because LG made the jump to near-phablet territory with its flagship doesn't make it the standard. The Nexus 5 is still available if you want a normal sized flagship with decent specs (not the best any more, no) - the Nexus 6 is another option for those who want more than that and who are willing to pay for it. If that doesn't fit your needs and wants, then don't get it. It's not for you. And if you don't plan on buying it anyway, why complain about it?

        • p1 ama on 21/10/2014 - 20:29
          +1

          @ProspectiveDarkness:

          Because I think it's an unrealistic standard. I mean, the company is within their rights to do it and can be praised for taking a risk to drive adoption, but how can you expect progress to continue if the market is stripped of profit?

          This is how the market will progress. The market progresses when there is a downward pressure on price. When this occurs, companies will find ways to maintain their bottom line by finding more efficient manufacturing processes and methodologies. To let them rest on their laurels would be a disservice to the market.

          I don't want the phone market to end up as a race to the bottom with corners cut everywhere in order to pursue dirt cheap price points to maintain some level of profit. What I'm trying to say is that even though devices like the 1+1 and N4/5 were great deals, I don't think it's reasonable to expect the same out of every other manufacturer, or they'd all go bankrupt.

          That's the way business works. If you can't keep up with your competitors, you go bankrupt. That said, phone manufacturers make huge margins.

        • ProspectiveDarkness on 21/10/2014 - 20:41

          @paulsterio:

          That's the way business works. If you can't keep up with your competitors, you go bankrupt. That said, phone manufacturers make huge margins.

          I think that's oversimplifying it. Google are on the verge of anticompetitive practices here. If they were the size of Apple (in their individual marketshare and selling power) and actually took a loss on each device, they probably would be classed as anticompetitive in undercutting their competitors by subsidising their products. Which is arguably illegal. How would you react if Google just started giving away these devices because they could still earn revenue from ads? They aren't true competitors in the hardware market since their primary source of revenue lies elsewhere. Is it still 'just business' then?

          As I've already said, I prefer Motorola's current approach the best. Their margins aren't massive but they're not trying to massively undercut everyone either. A fair amount of competitive pressure, but not so much that it's disruptive. The OEM's are already making little to no profit, and if they were forced to reduce margins they'd be in an even worse state. I don't think anyone going bankrupt is something to ignore or condone - more competition is better for us.

        • striker5950 on 21/10/2014 - 20:48

          @ProspectiveDarkness]You're oversimplifying. It just wouldn't be feasible for Google to throw the Nexus 6 specs into the Nexus 5's price.
          I think you are making it hard on your self lol, it seemed pretty feasible for LG to do so with their g2 and g3.., that is keep the same pricing, keep arguing about how unfeasible it is for google though lol.

          @ProspectiveDarkness]and you're suggesting that Google should achieve the same when they made very little profit from each device to begin with. The increase in price might not be completely proportional to the increase in specs, but you can't deny that an increase was justified at some point. You seem to think that just because Google charged x amount for y device, that you're entitled to the same in the future.

          you failed to see my point, I could not care less if google made any profits, all I care for as a consumer is what I can get for my money that's it.

          @ProspectiveDarkness]The increase in price might not be completely proportional to the increase in specs, but you can't deny that an increase was justified at some point.
          you are right the price hike is not proportional, and yes I will deny that an increase of such magnitude x2 the price is unjustifiable.

          @ProspectiveDarkness]You seem to think that just because Google charged x amount for y device, that you're entitled to the same in the future.
          yes I do think so, because other manifactures are doing it, if google cant match that too bad, not many people are going to buy from them. if not at least increase it by 100? that is still acceptable, but to double the price? yep i dont think so.

          whether LG manufactures their own screens or buy them from whomever, these factors should not matter to the end user/consumer, again all a consumer cares about it what he can get for his money.
          GOOGLE announcement: yeh sorry people US google we had to double our flagship prices because lg manufactures their own screen and we dont. :/ so you guys have to pay extra, hmmm no

          @ProspectiveDarkness]Look, I'm disappointed too. But you don't see me bitching about how unfair it is and how they should lower the price.
          no but I see you bitching about how justifiable it is :P you even said you are not gonna buy it your self yet you keep talknig about how good it is and how the price is very well suited, wait do you work for google? lmao you seem to care more about how much profits they gain as a company makes me thing you are a die hard google fan, thats ok though nothing wrong with that lol

          @ProspectiveDarkness]It'd help if you stopped thinking of the Nexus 6 as a direct replacement to the Nexus 5. You don't consider the Note 4 to be a replacement to the Galaxy S5, or the iPhone 6+ a successor to the iPhone 5S, or the HTC One Max a successor to the M7 - because they're different classes of devices.
          :/ you did not just write that did you? lol
          can we please compare each phone to its predecessor and not some other brand/company, you are not making any sense doing that seriously.., this is how it goes, n4, n5, n6
          s, s2, s3, s4, s5| G, G2, G3| there we go now it shall be easier to understand :)

          @ProspectiveDarkness]If that doesn't fit your needs and wants, then don't get it. It's not for you. And if you don't plan on buying it anyway, why complain about it?
          you are right it does not fit my needs, and its overpriced so I wont be buying it, but previously you stated that you do not plan on buying it either so really I could ask you the same thing, why are you in love with it so much and defending it and its price like you work for google?

        • ProspectiveDarkness on 21/10/2014 - 21:02

          @striker5950:

          @striker5950:

          Please learn how to quote properly.

          I think you are making it hard on your self lol, it seemed pretty feasible for LG to do so with their g2 and g3.., that is keep the same pricing, keep arguing about how unfeasible it is for google though lol.

          Read the rest of that paragraph. LG had $300 more room to play with. They had massive profit margins to begin with, Google had virtually none. Of course LG can fit more into that price bracket by lowering their margins. Google has virtually no margins to lower without it dropping into a loss. Which would not be feasible and would be bordering on anticompetitive. But no, apparently the only things that factor into your thought process are the price and what you think it should be, regardless of any kind of logic to the contrary. If you had your way, the device manufacturers would be paying us to use their phones. Awesome, right? But no, that's a ridiculous idea, and that's what I'm trying to communicate to you.

          you failed to see my point, I could not care less if google made any profits, all I care for as a consumer is what I can get for my money that's it.

          Well since you're trying to dictate what Google should and shouldn't be charging for their devices, I thought you might like to be enlightened. You can't complain about the prices without considering the logic behind them. Well, apparently you can, I'm just saying that if you want to make an informed argument, you should.

          you are right the price hike is not proportional, and yes I will deny that an increase of such magnitude x2 the price is unjustifiable.

          Again, not 2x the price. I also said nothing about 2x the price. I said that you can't deny a price hike was inevitable.

          …

          Look, I'm not even going to bother replying to the rest. I'm really goddamn sick of other consumers (no, I don't bloody work for Google, I can just use my brain) just crying and whinging about how they want this and that for this much, and they want it now. It's frustrating. You are complaining and saying that you want the Nexus 6 specs in the Nexus 5 pricing. I'm trying to tell you why that is not going to happen. I'm trying to explain to you the reasoning behind that. I'm trying to explain to you a different perspective besides an entitled consumer who's gotten used to cheap flagship phones in the past two years and doesn't want to give them up. But no, you want, you want, you want, and that's the only thing that matters, apparently. It'd be really great if we could all get what we wanted, all the time. But unfortunately, there are other considerations to be made.

          /rant. I'm out.

        • p1 ama on 21/10/2014 - 21:14

          @ProspectiveDarkness:

          I think that's oversimplifying it. Google are on the verge of anticompetitive practices here. If they were the size of Apple (in their individual marketshare and selling power) and actually took a loss on each device, they probably would be classed as anticompetitive in undercutting their competitors by subsidising their products. Which is arguably illegal. How would you react if Google just started giving away these devices because they could still earn revenue from ads? They aren't true competitors in the hardware market since their primary source of revenue lies elsewhere. Is it still 'just business' then?

          There are a few problems with this argument, however. Firstly, Google aren't actually taking a loss on each device. Secondly, offering a product for cheaper isn't anticompetitive. In fact, it is competitive. The reason why you get the cheap stuff you do now is because of competition. If it wasn't for competition then you'd be paying $5,000 for your computer. It is due to the competitive nature of business that encourages each to improve.

          As I've already said, I prefer Motorola's current approach the best. Their margins aren't massive but they're not trying to massively undercut everyone either. A fair amount of competitive pressure, but not so much that it's disruptive. The OEM's are already making little to no profit, and if they were forced to reduce margins they'd be in an even worse state. I don't think anyone going bankrupt is something to ignore or condone - more competition is better for us.

          How is the Nexus series of phones making anyone bankrupt?

          Either way, you can't be serious. 10 years ago, Nokia was the biggest phone manufacturer in the world. These days, they're practically out of business. Blackberry is in much worse shape. These are examples of companies that have failed to keep up with technology and innovation and they have paid the price. Manufacturers need to be able to find ways of making money on their products.

          Look, I'm not even going to bother replying to the rest. I'm really goddamn sick of other consumers (no, I don't bloody work for Google, I can just use my brain) just crying and whinging about how they want this and that for this much, and they want it now. It's frustrating. You are complaining and saying that you want the Nexus 6 specs in the Nexus 5 pricing. I'm trying to tell you why that is not going to happen. I'm trying to explain to you the reasoning behind that. I'm trying to explain to you a different perspective besides an entitled consumer who's gotten used to cheap flagship phones in the past two years and doesn't want to give them up. But no, you want, you want, you want, and that's the only thing that matters, apparently. It'd be really great if we could all get what we wanted, all the time. But unfortunately, there are other considerations to be made.

          No, I don't want the Nexus 6 specs in Nexus 5 pricing. I want a slight improvement to the Nexus 5 (an already good phone) for a small premium.

        • striker5950 on 21/10/2014 - 21:38

          @ProspectiveDarkness: Please learn how to quote properly.
          haha i love it, when people start loosing the argument they start picking on quoting abilities or bad spelling/grammar :P

          what are you talking about LG had $300 more dollars to play with, you are still talking about profit margins and all that bullsh!t, you do realize that the end consumer really doesn't give 2 $h!ts about how much a company profits

          you said: but no, apparently the only things that factor into your thought process are the price and what you think it should be, regardless of any kind of logic to the contrary.

          lol don't we all care about the price? bang for buck is all I care about, and i'm sure I am speaking for most people here. you how ever a re a rich guy and can pay big money for overpriced products, good luck to you, again why are you on ozbargain?

          you:If you had your way, the device manufacturers would be paying us to use their phones

          that exists cmon don't tell me you never heard about it, how do you think manufactures fix issues of the phones before they launch them, its called product testing :)

          you: Well since you're trying to dictate what Google should and shouldn't be charging for their devices, I thought you might like to be enlightened. You can't complain about the prices without considering the logic behind them. Well, apparently you can, I'm just saying that if you want to make an informed argument, you should.

          lol I am simply one of the many people who think that google is overcharging, you on the other hand keep saying how much of a good price it is and the price hike is very acceptable, you need to enlighten your self before trying to enlight other people, you fail to see my point again and again, Ill say it again just for you, if Lg can charge the same amount so can google, but they choose not to, and yes they will loose customers, if you fail to understand that sorry I cant help you. the logic is there but you are failing to understand.

          you said: Again, not 2x the price. I also said nothing about 2x the price. I said that you can't deny a price hike was inevitable.

          I think you are getting too technical with the details, let me grab my calculator for a sec..
          ok im back, n5=$400 n6 most likely=$800+ | 400x2=800, yep I guess I was correct it was exactly two times the price plus shipping. a price hike might have been inevitable but doubling the price seems to be the case here.

          you said: Look, I'm not even going to bother replying to the rest. I'm really goddamn sick of other consumers (no, I don't bloody work for Google, I can just use my brain) just crying and whinging about how they want this and that for this much, and they want it now. It's frustrating. You are complaining and saying that you want the Nexus 6 specs in the Nexus 5 pricing. I'm trying to tell you why that is not going to happen.

          I believe that's how the market works mate, if you want to sell the product you have to keep the consumers happy, but all you seem to care about is defending google and their pricing, yes I kinda agree with you that a price hike was inevitable but not double the price. no sir. something expectable would have been like 550 32gb and 600 64gb AUD.
          and if its not gonna happen, all good with me, ill spend my money else where, that why I aint buying and so are many other ozbargainers. if you are happy to over pay for a nexus 6 be my guest which again makes me question why you are on ozbargain, this is ozbargain after all, we are all looking for a bargain, in this case nexus 6 is not a bargain. end of story
          Gday.

  • xuqi on 20/10/2014 - 23:36

    This 5.9" idea is going to hurt them. The Nexus 5 was big enough, but to make the 6 bigger than a note 4. What were they thinking?

    I'm going to buy the new Moto-X and skip the 6.

  • McFly on 21/10/2014 - 23:58
    +1

    IMHO if an 'N6 Mini' isn't already on the way it should be…

    • ozhunter on 22/10/2014 - 00:22

      I doubt it. Just looking at this http://www.google.com/intl/all/nexus/, looks like the Nexus 5 will be selling alongside the Nexus 6.

      • McFly on 22/10/2014 - 00:29

        Hmmm, a few options there then:
        1. N5 stays around for a while.
        2. It's just still there until stock is all gone.
        3. The N5 stays and eventually gets updated to in effect become N6 Mini.

    • Woodyg22 on 22/10/2014 - 02:15
      +2

      N6 Mini is the Moto X!

      Crazy :O

  • striker5950 on 22/10/2014 - 02:30

    Yeh peeps no n6 mini im affraid, best available is the one plus one, waiting on a good deal to pop up.

  • neonlight on 22/10/2014 - 10:52

    Just get the LG G3, almost similar specs to Nexus 6. 2k screen. Smaller form factor. Also cheaper. One Plus one has no microSD card slot. Unless you like mucking around custom roms, spending all the time on it to tweak and lesser budget thn maybe Oneplusone is for you

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