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Unleaded E10/91 - 129.9/132.9c/L - GoGas (Campsie/Canterbury NSW)

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Unleaded E10/91 - 129.9/132.9c/L - GoGas (Campsie/Canterbury NSW)
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illumination on 03/08/2014 - 14:00 files.ozbargain.com.au (730 clicks)
Last edited 03/08/2014 - 14:00

Address: corner of Canterbury Rd and Charlotte St
GPS Coordinates: -33.920220, 151.099756
Diagonally opposite Canterbury Hospital

Just saw this while driving to and from the airport. I drove past this at about 12pm when it was 132.9c/L for E10. This is the current price shown on MotorMouth too (last updated 8:44am 3/8/14).
Drove back around 12.45pm and it had dropped to 129.9c/L for E10 and 132.9c/L for octane 91.

I have the following information:

  • They do not accept PayWave/PayPass (so you can keep your ING/MeBank at home)
  • They do not accept American Express (so bring the visa version of your ANZ FF cards)
  • They do not sell unleaded 95 (and I assume no unleaded 98 either)
  • They accept Shell gift cards (not Coles Express but actual Shell)
  • There is a sign saying "Please pay before you pump" but the attendant told me to just pump first probably because it was quiet
  • They have nothing like "Spend $5 in-store and get 4c/L off"
  • They have no 4c/L coupons

tl;dr:
There is cheap petrol for 129.9c/L E10 in Canterbury NSW opposite Canterbury Hospital

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  • edfoo on 03/08/2014 - 14:06

    Good price. I just filled up at Woolworth Caltex at Rockdale. Regular U91 is 140.9c/L.

    • johnno07 on 03/08/2014 - 22:54
      +1

      I was in NZ last week and paid $2.28NZ/L ($2.08AU) for Unleaded 91. Guess we should count ourselves lucky :S

  • highdealer on 03/08/2014 - 14:26
    -6

    They do not accept PayWave/PayPass

    What a deal breaker!

    • highdealer on 03/08/2014 - 16:38
      -1

      It is a deal breaker.
      A few minute drive away, the budget petrol on Wardell RD Dulwich Hill offer E10 for 135.7 and 91 for 137.7
      http://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/60750/24382/img_0122_1.…

      Same with the one on Petersham and Marrickville.

      By having PayWave/PayPass, this bring their price down to 128.9 for E10 and 130.8 for 91 octane.

      I dont see why it is so hard to accept contactless payment. Even the barber near my house have paypass/paywave. If you can accept bank card then it is very easy to upgrade to paypass/paywave.

      Also the pricing in the Canterbury Rd stretch is very competitive. They are always a lot cheaper than every where else. If I would drive past that area now, i wouldn't be surprise to find every other petrol station offer 91 octane for 135 or less and accept paypass/paywave.

      • Abaddon on 04/08/2014 - 10:25

        Paypass/Paywave is a must. Especially now my signature is useless

  • dylanando on 03/08/2014 - 14:49

    i just filled up at 165 ;/

    • illumination on 03/08/2014 - 15:58

      Oh the pain lol

    • Dmd on 03/08/2014 - 16:07

      I just got 174 :(

  • PlagueistheCheap on 03/08/2014 - 14:57
    +2

    Photo from within the car, are you CIA?

  • Rod71 on 03/08/2014 - 15:10
    +4

    lol, who uses E10 unless it's a rental.

    • hithere2341 on 03/08/2014 - 15:39
      +3

      Why the negs? E10 is inferior to U91 in value. Watch The Checkout episode when they compare the petrol types.

      • MasterScythe on 03/08/2014 - 15:47
        +3

        Yep i did. I'm also a motoring enthusiast.
        E10 burns cleaner if you intend to keep the car for extended periods of time.
        You use 3% more than 91 unleaded; but what that checkout episode forgot to mention, is that MOST E10 fuel is 95RON.

        So I can pay 10c a litre MORE for 95 ron, or 2c a litre less for 95Ron E10.
        This works out to a significant saving, and a cleaner top end.

        Assuming you have a fuel sensor, E10 wont cause ANY harm.
        Even without one, the only thing it 'rots' are pre 80's cork gaskets, and if your car is really that picky that 3% leaner is knocking (and its not a custom tune) the factory needs to take a long look in the mirror.

        • xyron on 03/08/2014 - 16:08
          -3

          Err no, it isn't, E10 is standard 91RON unleaded mixed with ethanol to bring the effective RON up to 94 or thereabouts.

          I remember trying to use it in my RenaultSport Megane 225 once (95RON or higher only). The car was pinging and surging like I had fed it liquified dog shit.

          I always avoid E10 unless I'm putting it in a rental car for my last fill-up before returning it, or I am driving a car that I hate.

        • MasterScythe on 03/08/2014 - 17:25
          +7

          @xyron:

          Errrrr, yes, it is.
          Ron is Ron, and AFR sensors are AFR sensors. end of story.
          (and no one, even the uninformed haters, disagrees Ethanol ensures a more complete and cleaner burn)

          If the RON is enough, it wont knock (unless lean) and if the car is 3% too lean, the AFR sensor will use short term learning to compensate.

          United E10 is 95, so is Freedom, Shell used to be 94 (but worked fine in '95 ron' Accord Euros; from long term expereince), and avoid BP because they're starting with a 87ron base and using Ethanol to reach 91Ron E10 (scary!)

          Of all the cars in this sharehouse; 99 WRX, 02 DC5R, 01 MX5, 01 Daihatsu Mira (with MOVE 4cyl turbo engine swap + copen turbo upgrade) and a 89 MX6 turbo; they all are fine on E10 95.
          We all fill up at an E10 only servo, because its practically next door.

          My wideband sensor shows sufficiently rich mixtures still (actually, closer to correct during boost on most of them, because the stock ecu is paranoid about lean), and those of us with scangauges don't see any knock.
          Most of these cars have been owned and used like this for 3+ years; using a bore-scope, there is literally no visible problems (the honda even has faint cross-hatching still visible on the bores!)

          Its interesting to know a Megane isn't tuned carefully enough (with ANY safeguards by the sound of it!) to handle what you claim to be 1 RON below.

          What numbers do your AFR's read at idle, cruse, and redline?
          Thats honestly a shocking report and I'd be writing a strongly worded letter to the ECU development team.

        • Rod71 on 03/08/2014 - 17:28
          +5

          Motoring enthusiast?, Ricky Muir?

        • J5 on 03/08/2014 - 17:28
          +4

          @MasterScythe:

          dont put e10 in carb motorbikes unless you want grief , well known fact

          maybe its 94 at manufacture but it will quickly drop off , remember ethanol absorbs moisture , its the likely reason the renaut had a problem

        • MasterScythe on 03/08/2014 - 17:34
          +2

          @J5:
          You're probably right. I always ask for their mixture printouts at the servo. Shows you what percentage of what is in your fuel. Its not often you see a high water content, but it is a concern. If you're unlucky enough to fill up the furthest day from their tank refills I bet it'd be shocking…

          I upped the jets in my old GS500 to compensate for E10. Only needed one size bigger on the idle jet. Main jet was still rich according to the wideband.

          But yes, harleys hate the stuff. But I did manage 1000km's using 98 Ron E10, with a step cooler plug on one; no damage.
          People told me I couldn't, so I had to prove I could. Those V-Twins are facinating things on a dyno; they respond to such small tweaks.

          But yes, if you're not going to modify it to suit, using E10 on a carb isnt ususally smart unless you KNOW you're running rich. because no AFR sensor to correct it, in case you're not!

        • MATTDAMON on 03/08/2014 - 17:37

          @MasterScythe:

          Umm the ULP base found in all E10 products (except uniteds ulp95 + e10) is minimum 91 octane, since it's exactly the same product when you buy non ethanol blend fuels (comes out of the same tank at the terminal, just e10 has ethanol injected during the road tanker loading process)

        • MasterScythe on 03/08/2014 - 17:42
          +4

          @Copie:

          Whats your point? The base for ULP is crude oil, but you dont compare that.
          The final refinement and mixture is what matters.

          And its not ULP95 + E10, its a ULP blend, with up to 10% ethanol, where total RON is 95.

          ULP (91 RON) + 10% Ethanol (108.6 RON), comes out at about 95Ron. They blend flawlessly.

          As you say, Ethanol is added to the mixture. Which has a much higher RON than ULP.
          The real difference between 'premium' and 'regular' is the Toluene content.
          If you're a painter, you mix your own 100Ron from Toluene.

          The only way you can add a 108.6RON fuel to another fuel and end up with 91 RON is if you start somewhere like 87-89 RON (like BP does).

          Ever noticed most of those octane boosters in a bottle are 998ml\L 'Hydrocarbons'?

          Seriously, it takes like a month at most to learn how these chemicals react with one another.
          Servo's are quite forthcoming with information once you ask for it. Even MSDS sheets can be enlightening.
          And if you all know so much more than me about fuel, I'm sure you monitor your gasses with a wideband, and monitor engine knock and fuel trims on your scangauges. I've spent years on this topic. If i'm being argued with, I'd like some fact rather than opinion please!

        • MATTDAMON on 04/08/2014 - 00:29
          -3

          @MasterScythe:

          And you are completely wrong on all counts. I'm in terminals loading the stuff every day so I know exactly what is and what isn't.

          Also the MSDS sheets won't give you a detailed breakdown of the chemical content of the product.

          Any additive that's added isn't toluene, they use several NEMO additive packs which depending on the company can be anything from 1624 to 2090.

          So you are incorrect in your assumptions.

          Also PS the fuel standards act of 2001 requires a minimum RON rating of 91, to be sold.

        • MasterScythe on 04/08/2014 - 10:01

          @Copie:
          So, because you load something, you understand the chemical makeup? How does that work?

          You sure? The common octane boosters used in a premium mix, are MTBE, ETBE, isooctane and toluene.
          you can look through a complete list here:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_additive
          You're right that in Australia its not one of the chemicals used in street fuels because its untaxed; sorry for my wording above, that was misleading.
          I meant to imply the difference was 'as simple as'; not that it was actively used.
          The main RON booster these days is Ethanol (hence this discussion).

          You know what? Rather than argue with you, I'll just ask:

          If UNITED is starting with a 95RON ULP as you claim, and adding 10% ethanol, with a RON of over 108 (113 for Australian Ethanol):
          HOW are they ending up with a 95RON fuel at the pump?

          And you're right in your 'ps' Minimum allowed is 91RON. So an 86-88RON base fuel, with a 10% Ethanol content, comes out at 91RON. As I've already explained.

          Excerpt taken from RACQ's explaination:
          "According to the Biofuels Association of Australia ethanol has a RON of 113, though they don't list its MON. US sources indicate a RON of 108 and a MON of about 89, suggesting that ethanol's octane numbers vary to some degree depending on its source.

          Blending ethanol with petrol increases a fuel's RON rating but has little effect on MON. In fact, it is common to find 95 RON ethanol blends that only have a MON of around 81."

          Interestingly, RACQ seems to be the only ones claiming no effect on MON. I'm looking into this now, USA reports claim otherwise. Here's some more reading on the matter
          http://www.iea-amf.org/content/fuel_information/fuel_info_ho…

          Regardless; some reading for MON vs RON:
          http://www.racegas.com/article/10
          I'll let you do your own testing to decide which your personal vehicle responds better to; I've already done mine.

          The RON and MON are usually both easily available from whoever your favorite service station is :) Just ask them.

          EDIT: thought i'd mention; a lot of the horror stories came out of the USA where E20 is often used. Too much for a lot of stock ECU's. Europe has used E5 for a LONG time, which is the best mix, and should have been adopted worldwide.

        • error619 on 04/08/2014 - 11:48

          @J5:
          been running it in my GPX-250R for 10 years, and runs like a Dream.

        • MATTDAMON on 04/08/2014 - 17:05
          +1

          @MasterScythe:

          As i said before, E10 is ULP91 with 10% ethanol injected during the loading process, this same ULP91 is found on any servo site that sells it, so it cannot be lower then 91 octane at any point before ethanol is added (otherwise it would be out of spec) they dont have two tanks specifically for E10 and ULP91 at tank farms/terminals E10/ULP91 comes out of the exact same arm, same piping etc, and tank changes arent something that can be done on the fly with potentially 7 bays going at once.

          10% ethanol adds roughly 3-4 RON on the final product, so a 86 RON ULP would still be out of spec to be sold.

          You forget that RON ratings are the mandated MINIMUM, most if not all fuels sold in aus are actually higher then minimum, to account for age variations + storage tanks onsite etc, not to mention the bulk of petroleum product is imported so they need to account for time and water content. The reason why some companies sell it is 91 + e10 vs say 94 RON, is because of marketing and to account for variables.

          Given the bulk of fuel comes out of the same import terminals and refineries (due to recoptical agreements) in most cases its EXACTLY the same product.

          Good example of this is 7/11, now its listed as Mobil fuel, however there is only one Mobil refinery in the country (Victoria, Altona) now they sure as hell dont freight it around the countryside, not cost effective, so it comes out of Silverwater NSW for Sydney/Central Coast and BP for Central Coast/Newcastle and Brisbane. Victoria sources it from Altona.

          Much like how Shell and Caltex shared pipelines for 40+ years up to newcastle so the product was exactly the same between the two.

          I cart the stuff for a living and am inducted into all terminals in Syd + Newcastle + Pinkemba, so know quite well how it all works.

          The fact that United E10 is Euro 5 specification (50ppm sulfur) means its using a PULP/ULP95 base, since ULP91 is Euro 4 spec (150ppm)

          Also all fuels are classed as 'hydrocarbon's since thats what they are.

  • MasterNoob on 03/08/2014 - 15:38
    +8

    Remember when unleaded was priced at 70c/L?
    Pepperidge Farm remembers.

    • PlagueistheCheap on 03/08/2014 - 15:51
      +3

      Was 31c when I got my license

    • MelbBargainChaser77 on 03/08/2014 - 18:22
      +1

      I certainly do, it was around the time I job my first job out of high school in 1995. 69.9 was the going rate then, and when we had to move to 72.9 on the rare occasion, we would be dead quiet- so all us cashiers loved that price!!

    • cycleri3 on 03/08/2014 - 22:41

      It was $2.15 when I was living in NZ till 2011! 140-150 is cheap!

      • MasterNoob on 04/08/2014 - 08:58

        Well it's always cheaper to travel by sheep than car when you're in New Zealand.

  • swimmingtoad on 03/08/2014 - 15:45
    +2

    "ALL MAJOR CARDS ACCEPTED" On the Main sign - > They do not accept American Express Lol

    • MasterScythe on 03/08/2014 - 15:48

      Go with National bank.
      Their AMEX card is an 'ANT card' only has a TINY amex logo, which you can scratch off easily. No one ever knows.

      • G5 on 03/08/2014 - 21:25
        +2

        Sometimes Amex goes through even though they say it won't. But sometimes it actually won't work.

        • MasterScythe on 04/08/2014 - 10:09

          yup. Ive had that happen twice. Luckily, with no AMEX logo, we used the 'manually key the card details in' and it worked.

    • illumination on 03/08/2014 - 15:58
      +2

      I saw that sign too and assumed I could pay with Amex, but I asked if I could and they said not accepted. Guess Amex isn't major enough to them..

  • bm on 03/08/2014 - 16:12

    Why is LPG 7c/L more expensive in NSW compared to Mexico?

    edit: Better add "By Mexico, I mean Victoria". There's always someone.

  • [Deactivated] on 03/08/2014 - 16:27

    There is one closer to burwood that is almost always cheaper than this service station… I still miss the one at ninth avenue that didn't follow the pricing cycle. It was usually cheaper than every other service station around in the area when the petrol cycle was at the top. It went broke and is now being turned into a bunch of apartments.

    • illumination on 03/08/2014 - 16:46

      I know the ninth avenue one you're talking about. Never noticed it being particularly cheap though.

      Which one closer to Burwood are you referring to? The other ones in the area which are frequently cheap are the Woolworths/Caltex one between Burwood and Ashfield on Hume Highway, which had a Budget petrol next to it which constantly tried to compete with it, or the Woolworths/Caltex near Strathfield also on Hume Highway near Domino's and the speed camera.

      As far as I know, the Woolworths/Caltex between Burwood and Ashfield accepts Myer one cards but the Strathfield one does not.

  • IanC on 03/08/2014 - 16:37
    +1

    Unleaded ethanol @132.5 with the woolies 4c discount @ Inner City Bypass in Bowen Hills in Brisbane

  • eneloop on 03/08/2014 - 16:39
    -5

    I don't pay for petrol I just change my plates

    • illumination on 03/08/2014 - 16:42
      +6

      You should just get an electric car and use eneloops

  • xsacha on 03/08/2014 - 19:03

    All the petrol places here in Brisbane seem to be 132 or 133c for U91 so not sure if this is bargain in NSW.

    • whodidthat on 03/08/2014 - 19:35

      ULP 153.9c/L, E10 151.9c/L around here :/

  • sallan75 on 03/08/2014 - 20:50
    +3

    Sad day when $1.33 is considered a bargain.

  • homersyd on 03/08/2014 - 21:29

    Hi noob question - can my Mitsubishi outlander 2013 (petrol 2.4L) use this "Unleaded E10/91"? I think the book says unleaded RON 95… thanks

  • whirlpool_guy on 04/08/2014 - 08:48

    "Please pay before you pump?" How does it work? I want to fill my tank full, but have no idea how much it can take (precisely)

    • ronnknee on 04/08/2014 - 09:45

      In that case, you pay for the usual amount for a full tank with a leeway eg. $70 and if you had actually used $65 worth, then they refund $5.

      • MasterScythe on 04/08/2014 - 10:11

        I miss that way of doing things.

        hand the pump guy $40 "fill er up, and keep the change" drive off.

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